Can MJ still sing smooth and clear on Fast Dance Tracks?

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In your opinion can MJ still sing smooth and clear on faster dance tracks like during the Off The Wall, Triumph and Thriller days. Back then MJ could sing a dance track that's fast,but his voice still came across clear. I thought with Invincible the ballads were sang smooth and so was Butterflies which is kinda Mid-Tempo, but the dance tracks his voice wasnt as smooth as in the early 80's. It seems like he struggles a little bit when he has to sing louder and faster, but on a ballad or Mid-Tempo track he can still sing smooth.
 
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Nah, his voice has got a lot grittier. His voice isn't as clear and pure as it used to be. But tbh, I like the grittiness of his voice now more than the clear, clean voice he had when he was in his 20s.
 
in my opinion i think people tend to forget that MJ let's the song demand his style. He has always been able to mimick the greatest songbird sounds. but if the song demands grit, he delivers it. i think that people forget that he becomes the song, and the song is the most important thing to him. i love the way he does wbss 08. i don't hear the strain. i hear grit. and in tgim 08, when he's ad libbing and will says take it high, and he does..he proves he can be smooth. i believe he wanted to send a gritty message in 'Unbreakable' and he did. i also love the idea of evolution. and Mj is good at that. and, miraculously, chronology has nothing to do with it. the original Beat It had it's gritty and smooth moments. the original Billie Jean has it's gritty moments. so, to me, it just depends on the inspiration behind the song. i don't think it's a matter of undersinging, oversinging, hard singing or smooth singing. i think, for him, it's just about telling the story of the song, with his voice. that's what i love about him.:)
 
Well his voice has gotten gritter (or whatever you want to call it) overtime and it's only natural that his voice has changed, that's what happens when you get older afterall but that doesn't mean he can no longer pull off those type of vocals. I used to think he wasn't capable of singing in that way for years until I heard "Butterflies","Gangsta" and "The Way You Love Me". Those songs were recorded only a few years ago and proved to me that he can still sing in that style, maybe not as effortlessly as he used to but he can still do it.
 
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Butterflies is more Mid-Tempo so he is able to slow his voice down and it comes out smooth. I mean on fast dance tracks like "Working Day and Night" on the Off the Wall album, "Wanna Be Starting Something" on Thriller or some of the up tempo tracks on Triumph.
 
its because usually the way songs are written now a days for faster tracks call for a more staccato vocal. Disco's style (of the OTW and triumph days and even Thriller's songs, although there isnt a terribly fast dance song on that one) enabled smooth vocal for fast songs. Styles have changed and more staccato, quick vocals are used and MJ likes the gritty sound that goes along with it,thats why he uses it.
 
Oh and I just notice something! Play a little of Wanna Be Starting Something and Heartbreaker back to back and listen to the vocal. MJs voice isnt any more gritty, and is in the same quality.

Especially in the verses of Heartbreaker and the chorus of Wanna Be...
 
Nah, his voice has got a lot grittier. His voice isn't as clear and pure as it used to be. But tbh, I like the grittiness of his voice now more than the clear, clean voice he had when he was in his 20s.


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its because usually the way songs are written now a days for faster tracks call for a more staccato vocal. Disco's style (of the OTW and triumph days and even Thriller's songs, although there isnt a terribly fast dance song on that one) enabled smooth vocal for fast songs. Styles have changed and more staccato, quick vocals are used and MJ likes the gritty sound that goes along with it,thats why he uses it.

Are you sure about that? Most r&b songs that are up beat the artist sings smooth and clear. I know Ne-Yo does
 
Usher sings fast, but it comes out smooth and he's singing the song. A good example is "Yeah" and "Caught Up" in 2004. Caught Up is a fast track,but he's still singing the song with soulful vocals and there clear.

Maybe it's the songs that MJ is choosing and he just wants to sing like that. I just think the mainstream prefers soulful Mike. Just reading comments from non fans on other forums. They dont like when he sings in the angry voice to much. Thats why you always hear, MJ got to bring back that Off The Wall flava.
 
Are you sure about that? Most r&b songs that are up beat the artist sings smooth and clear. I know Ne-Yo does

Funny you should mention Ne-Yo since he has stated that he's studied Michael's voice in order to become a better singer and it definitely shows that Mike has influenced him too (just listen to "Because Of You"). Anyway, I have both of Ne-Yo's albums and most of his songs are mid-tempo, not upbeat, but Michael could pull off any of Ne-Yo's songs and though MJ probably wont sound the same way he did in the 70's on his uptempo tracks, he is still capable of singing smooth and clear.
 
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It's styling. Michael is in his vocal prime, and he sings high and clear on tracks like "Speechless", "You Rock My World", "The Lost Children", "Don't Walk Away", etc... You can't compare people like Usher and Ne-Yo to Michael, they aren't anywhere near his level as vocalists. He's sung rough since the early 80s, it's just his style, he likes to put an edge to his voice. I couldn't even tell at first whether his vocals on the remix of WBSS were new or not because his voice retained that youthful tone. It was high and clear and he just snapped that rough edge on the beggining of each verse. One thing I think is funny when people complain that Michael has lost his range is, one, they don't seem to grasp what octave ranges actual entail and two, they never count lower registers when surmizing a person's range, but it has every bit as much to do with it as higher registers do.
 
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He can sing in whatever style he prefers.

Also, when recording "Invincible", he had throat problems, colds, because you can tell how hoarse and gritty at some points his voice tended to sound, although still remarkable, for instance on "Whatever Happens" (the climax of the song), to name but one song. His voice may have become grittier indeed, though it can still convey smoothness and clarity, and examples in the replies above are explanatory enough.

And I think that, more than stylizing his voice to sound angrier, he developed it subconsciously, especially since beginning to sing about deeper, more urgent issues of life. His angry, grunty voice accompanied him ever since little and developed with him and his age and life experience, that it became a natural habit. I really think that it is more of a visceral urge determining him to sing angry, shamanic-like, rather than a planned thing. Even in 1976 he would start singing angrily, for instance in "Enjoy Yourself" - to name but one song - , or in the 1978 "Destiny" album, the most relevant example from it being the song "That's What You Get From Being Polite", when he shouts and grunts "It's so dangerous".

I think the feeling and force takes him there, but has a varied style of singing, and his smoothness and clarity and ethereal vocal delivery never faded. A little more self-confidence may be needed at times, but I am absolutely positive that he still has it.
 
That's a silly question actually because it's pointless. Throughout the years the voice of every human being changes and Michael isn't an exception. I like his voice more now because is mature, deeper. We can't expect from someone to sing the same way he sang when he was 25 years old. The man's voice is special and he can sing any style he chooses. Listen to the maturity in his voice in the latest songs I'm sure you will love it too!
 
I just read what some non fans say on r&b and hip hop forums and the style MJ that they prefer.You rarely hear music artist or Non fans talking about Dangerous, or History MJ. Especially the up tempo songs. With the exception of "Remember the Time". They always talk about Off the Wall and Thriller. That particular singing style on the dance tracks.

A song like Heartbreaker on invincible. The beat is r&b and hip hop,but im not feelin the rythym of the vocals or the vocal arrangement. A beat can be fast,buy you can still slow down your voice and sing the song with soul without the angry type singing. It just makes it more catchy.

Plus if MJ is going to sale at a high level,he cant just make music only for the die hard fan base. Non fans have to be feelin it also in order for it to sale well.

Maybe it's just the vocal arrangement and not really MJ not being able to sing smooth anymore on dance tracks.
 
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I just read what some non fans say on r&b and hip hop forums and the style MJ that they prefer.You rarely hear music artist or Non fans talking about Dangerous, or History MJ. Especially the up tempo songs. With the exception of "Remember the Time". They always talk about Off the Wall and Thriller. That particular singing style on the dance tracks.

A song like Heartbreaker on invincible. The beat is r&b and hip hop,but im not feelin the rythym of the vocals or the vocal arrangement. A beat can be fast,buy you can still slow down your voice and sing the song with soul without the angry type singing. It just makes it more catchy.

Plus if MJ is going to sale at a high level,he cant just make music only for the die hard fan base. Non fans have to be feelin it also in order for it to sale well.

Maybe it's just the vocal arrangement and not really MJ not being able to sing smooth anymore on dance tracks.

but see..that's the beauty of Michael. he appeals to more than just r and b fans. die hard fans include fans from all genres. i think people tend to forget just how vast the world is, and how remote are the places where MJ's name is known. that there are countries that are massively bigger than the usa that include MJ fans. all of these fans have different tastes and his vocals work in different places for different people. some like his r and b voice..others like his rock voice. he is capable of both. and i still believe that non fans are outnumbered by fans. also..there are many people who are fans of his earlier eras that still post on these forums. so all in all, i'd say that MJ is a massive success today those other artists who are limited to singing only one style have way less fans than MJ has. also, i don't believe that his angry voice takes away from the catchiness of the song. and it's important that his anger is personified in the songs that reflected the hard times he has gone through.
 
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Of course he still can but on a show only not through a world tour.

Rememeber "Elizabeth I love you" one of the best performance ever (on a show) this was performed during the HISTORY Tour, the same tour that Mike got a little grittier. But on a fast track, it's something else, he could if he trains enough but like I said on a show not on tour.
 
well I for one, like Michael singing smoothly. His fast songs of recent times with the exception of "rock my world" are sung to loud and aggressively. His voice is straining too much. I agree with the non-fans that Mike needs to get back to actually singing instead of grunting and hollering
 
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smooth is boring ;) lol

MJ never sang anything in one style all of the time.

And all the fast tracks on invincible except maybe 2000 Watts and Invincible, MJ didn't sing the whole song in a gritty voice. Some elements were gritty, some weren't. Parts that called for grittiness and agressiveness "You can try to stop me, but it won't do a thing"....he brought aggressiveness. Parts that called for smoothness, (YRMW's verses and chorus)...he brought smoothness.

Come on, imagine MJ backing off on some songs and "sweetly" and "smoothly" singing the Whatever Happens adlibs, "Don't you let go baby!" when it cause for serious emotion and aggression? Or Heaven Can Wait's "NOOO!"...i mean, obviously the song and emotions in that song causes for that. But songs like Butterflies, break of dawn...u don't hear any aggression in that cuz it doesn't cause for any. Neither does much of "YRMW".
 
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In your opinion can MJ still sing smooth and clear on faster dance tracks like during the Off The Wall, Triumph and Thriller days. Back then MJ could sing a dance track that's fast,but his voice still came across clear. I thought with Invincible the ballads were sang smooth and so was Butterflies which is kinda Mid-Tempo, but the dance tracks his voice wasnt as smooth as in the early 80's. It seems like he struggles a little bit when he has to sing louder and faster, but on a ballad or Mid-Tempo track he can still sing smooth.

What the heck type of question is that? Yes, he can sing high and clear....he's approaching 50...but HE ISN'T READY FOR NO WHEELCHAIR!! Hell, I am 49 going on 50 (this summer) and I can HIT and SUSTAIN a HIGH C TWO STAFF LINES OVER the REGISTER...!! I AINT READY FOR NO FREAKING WHEELCHAIR EITHER!! Read my latest blog...
 
these are the kinds of threads that make me realize why 'american idol' is so popular in america.

sometimes i wonder if what people hear or see is anymore real than what they don't hear or see.

to say that the best singers are straining?
to enjoy watching a show where people think they can sing, but they sing badly?

to say that patti labelle can't sing but aretha can..or that aretha can or tina can't? or that tina can but aretha can't? or that some people call rappers singers? i mean i guess the ear of the beholder is their/our own personal reality, as is, the eye of the beholder.
 
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Someone tell Aretha, Tina Turner, Patti LaBelle, AND Celine Dion to Hang it UP!! THey are all over 30....Uh Oh....time to get the rocking chair out, and start baking cookies and knitting...
 
Someone tell Aretha, Tina Turner, Patti LaBelle, AND Celine Dion to Hang it UP!! THey are all over 30....Uh Oh....time to get the rocking chair out, and start baking cookies and knitting...


oh yeah...now i'm waiting for someone to say that Celine Dion has trouble singing at times:lol:
 
And another thing...would SOMEONE PLEASE put a Granny Sweater on Tina Turner? For crying out loud, the woman is showing her stuff thru that SILVER SHINY OUTFIT THERE!! Imagine, singin like that at HER AGE!! LOL!! :toofunny:

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A song like Heartbreaker on invincible. The beat is r&b and hip hop,but im not feelin the rythym of the vocals or the vocal arrangement. A beat can be fast,buy you can still slow down your voice and sing the song with soul without the angry type singing. It just makes it more catchy.
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I ADORE everything about that songs. Musically and vocally is a masterpiece, the way his voce sounds....
One of my favourite pieces ever!!!!!!!! :wub::wub::wub:
 
And another thing...would SOMEONE PLEASE put a Granny Sweater on Tina Turner? For crying out loud, the woman is showing her stuff thru that SILVER SHINY OUTFIT THERE!! Imagine, singin like that at HER AGE!! LOL!! :toofunny:

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anddd there are people who have a problem with Christina Aguilera's voice as well. i really think that ears are subjective...not objective.
 
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