Contract: Jackson doc requested lifesaving gear

[honeysucklejasmine]

^^
and a gurney. it doesn't seem like it would be a needed thing to administer propofol at a home setting. It looks like it was to get someone off stage etc.
Would you agree?

I'm not sure what that's about to be honest or what type of scenario Murray was anticipating where he might need one of those, I guess needing one at the venue is plausible.

 

[honeysucklejasmine]

i thought they were talking about catherters interms of the ones mj was wearing on the 25th. ie so he wouldnt wet himself while under. do they mean something else?

No, but in the States the term is used for both pieces of equipment i.e. IV catheters and urinary catheters - I expect Murray probably wanted both.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

ah right ok. thanks

 

[honeysucklejasmine]

No worries

 

[PCR]

So if MJ and AEG had signed no contract... how was everything being done?



or this is just about a contract WITH cm-mj-AEG?

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

The doctor charged in Michael Jackson's death had requested lifesaving gear and a nurse from the concert promoter organizing the singer's London shows, documents obtained by the Associated Press show.

Uhh so what happened with Nurse/Dr/Actress Cherilyn Lee?

She is the only one who claims to have been at MJs home as a nurse and was the first to mention propofol.

But nobody seems to know when she was hired, who was paying her or why she wasnt at Michael's home on June 25th.

 

[yaazgurl]

Fans were begging Michael to perform. Family and AGE were begging Michael to perform. People were approaching him with different deals. What concert promoter would not have pursued him before and once they got indication that he was ready to go back on stage again.

If AEG was going to try to set Michael up, AEG wouldn't be leaving such a paper trail. By the time they finished paying off everyone in a conspiracy, what money would they have (same way I felt when people acted as if Michael was paying off everyone under the sun). If you are talking stupidity on their part, then again, all the emails and communication are going to have to be laid out before that can be determined.

But at least we are getting some information now. Would we get this if no one went after AEG? I don't know why fans are so quick to defend them.

 

[yaazgurl]

You're exactly right with everything you said. If Murray asked for equipment that was necessary, then that shows that he knew he needed it. If he didn't get it, he should not have administered the medicine. Negligence. I hate that Joe and Oxman are detracting from Murray right now... :doh:

How are they detracting from Murray. They're proving that he knew he needed equipment but behaved recklessly perhaps even intentionally without it.

 

[yaazgurl]

No this is what Murray asked for to treat Michael when he was in London it had nothing to do with Michael's health which we all know now was fine. Murray it seems wanted AEG to get this stuff because he did not want to buy it I mean asking them to buy your needles? You are the doctor you buy it

Do we know the date of these requests? So why are people assuming it was just for the tour.

 

[ivy]

How are they detracting from Murray. They're proving that he knew he needed equipment but behaved recklessly perhaps even intentionally without it.

see this

The complaint accuses the company of forcing Murray to provide Jackson with dangerous medical services.

"being forced" kinda takes the blame from Murray and places on AEG.

 

[bouee]

"being forced" kinda takes the blame from Murray and places on AEG.

Yes. My understanding is "forcing Murray to act recklessly", when Murray IS a doctor and shouldn't have used propofol without the proper equipment. So if AEG didn't provide the nurse and equipment, he shouldn't have done anything.

And if he asks for this kind of equipment, then it shows that Murray knew he needed it. And yet, he admitted to giving propofol.

I don't know what Joe and Oxman's intentions are, but again, I don't understand why they would give this to the medical board.

What can the medical board do against AEG ?? How would this help Murray ?

 

[Vici]

They talked a bit about this on TMZ Live and Harvey Levin said this:

"I know that AEG has said privately that this contract was not between AEG and Murray, it was between Michael Jackson and Murray and that AEG had no dog in the fight.. and that is their position".

But if this was the case then why was Murray gonna recieve 100 000 a month from AEG? That indicated that AEG was gonna or had employed him or why would he get his salary/money from AEG if they had nothing to do with him?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

well if AEG were paying the drs wages? hes on the staff list and if contracts were drawn up but not signed that contridicts the above. basically AEG covering their ass

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Uhh so what happened with Nurse/Dr/Actress Cherilyn Lee?

She is the only one who claims to have been at MJs home as a nurse and was the first to mention propofol.

But nobody seems to know when she was hired, who was paying her or why she wasnt at Michael's home on June 25th.

i thought she wasnt a proper nurse. just herbal stuff? and wasnt she let go around april?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

So if MJ and AEG had signed no contract... how was everything being done?



or this is just about a contract WITH cm-mj-AEG?

yes its the contract between murray, mj and aeg. nothing to do with mj and aegs contract for the shows

 

[elusive moonwalker]

How are they detracting from Murray. They're proving that he knew he needed equipment but behaved recklessly perhaps even intentionally without it.

in one sense it detracts cause it makes it look like murray was the good dr asking for the equipment but it was AEG that messed u by not giving him it. oxmans suit is against AEG so hes trying ot make AEG look bad .u also have to prove a connection between asking for that equipment for the actual tour and murray using that equipement for the sole person of covering himself while giving diprivan and it wasnt equipment he was just requesting incase anything happened when mj was on stage etc.as if he knew he would need that equipment to give dip while on tour why wasnt it there in L.A so murray will argue that the equipemt wanted for the tour had nothing to do with dip

niked the below from another board. sure poster wont mind!

xactly..isn't that why this document was leaked...to make Murray look better and to make AEG look like the culprit as to why Murray didn't have the right life saving equipment. in their eyes if they can take some of the blame off Murray and place it somewhere else like on aeg...then that makes them happy.

exactly.remember oxman and joe want money off AEG. they are trying to shift the blame onto AEG which in turn helps murrays defence. they dont care if murray walks aslong as they can get some money.oxmans going through the motions. first try and go against the will then ask for a an allowance now this.they are preapred to help murray walk aslong as they get paid. this is what we are having to deal with and its sickening.and thats why they keep pushing the druggie angle.its all apart of the grand scheme. sell mj out help murray get off but it doesnt matter aslong as oxman and joe get paid.

 

[mjdove]

elusive moonwalker, you're sadly so right

 

[StacyJ]

Oxman and Joe should be ashamed of themselves

 

[Ashtanga]

in one sense it detracts cause it makes it look like murray was the good dr asking for the equipment but it was AEG that messed u by not giving him it. oxmans suit is against AEG so hes trying ot make AEG look bad .u also have to prove a connection between asking for that equipment for the actual tour and murray using that equipement for the sole person of covering himself while giving diprivan and it wasnt equipment he was just requesting incase anything happened when mj was on stage etc.as if he knew he would need that equipment to give dip while on tour why wasnt it there in L.A so murray will argue that the equipemt wanted for the tour had nothing to do with dip

niked the below from another board. sure poster wont mind!



exactly.remember oxman and joe want money off AEG. they are trying to shift the blame onto AEG which in turn helps murrays defence. they dont care if murray walks aslong as they can get some money.oxmans going through the motions. first try and go against the will then ask for a an allowance now this.they are preapred to help murray walk aslong as they get paid. this is what we are having to deal with and its sickening.and thats why they keep pushing the druggie angle.its all apart of the grand scheme. sell mj out help murray get off but it doesnt matter aslong as oxman and joe get paid.

:agree:

You was perfect.

Does Joe Oxman and have no idea what they are doing? :doh: I'm sure not.

They are firing on all sides and in all directions to achieve something. They will not give up.

Unfortunately, the contract MJ, AEG and Murray never leaked. I would like to see its content.

 

[marc_vivien]

Father of Michael Jackson accuses AEG of singer's death
By Stan Wilson, CNN
June 18, 2010 -- Updated 1516 GMT (2316 HKT)

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/06/18/jackson.aeg/

Los Angeles, California (CNN) -- When the Los Angeles County Coroner ruled Michael Jackson's death a homicide, as a result of "acute propofol intoxication" with other sedatives, the coroner's office also cited a lack of recommended equipment for patient monitoring, precision dosing and resuscitation equipment that may have contributed.
Six months later, Dr. Conrad Murray, who administered Propofol to Jackson, was charged with involuntary manslaughter.

But in a recent complaint filed with the Medical Board of California, Jackson's father, Joe Jackson accuses concert promoter AEG Live of neglecting to provide the recommended equipment and a nurse who was supposed to assist Dr. Murray. Those measures could have prevented the singer's death or revived Jackson when he stopped breathing, according to the complaint.

The California Medical Board is responsible for investigating complaints against physicians.
According to a copy of the 169-page complaint, obtained by CNN and verified by Joe Jackson's attorney, Brian Oxman, AEG, over a six week period, allegedly engaged in "unlawful practice of corporate medicine," by hiring, directing, controlling and demanding that Murray medicate Michael Jackson as he prepared for his "This is it" tour in London.
AEG spokesman Michael Roth declined to comment on the complaint, telling CNN that his legal department has not viewed the documents. Joe Jackson was unavailable, according to attorney Oxman.

Murray's civil attorney, Charles Peckham, declined to comment about the specific allegations against AEG after the complaint was filed.

According to the complaint, AEG Live executives were so concerned over Michael Jackson's alleged failure to show up for rehearsals, that AEG representatives demanded that Murray step in and "wean" Jackson off his alleged dependence on medications provided by other doctors which caused chronic fatigue and disorientation. The complaint states that AEG made an "oral agreement" with Murray on May 8, 2009 based on a drafted contract agreement, promising to provide Murray with equipment, supplies and personnel. The complaint states that Murray immediately accepted AEG's offer for a monthly physician's fee of $150,000.

According to the complaint, Murray made his first order of Propofol on May 12, 2009, and stated in a purported e-mail to AEG that he had begun treating the singer as part of their "oral agreement."

On May 28, Murray allegedly grew impatient because he had not been paid by mid-month as promised by AEG, according to the complaint. Before treating Jackson, Murray, a full time cardiologist, had been mired in such heavy debt, that AEG exploited his hardship as a tactic to exert control over his medical decisions, the complaint alleges. More than two weeks after Murray began treating the singer, AEG had not provided Murray with CPR equipment as he requested and never instructed Murray to cease treating Jackson, the complaint states.

In an interview shortly after Michael Jackson's death in June 2009, AEG Live Executive Randy Phillips told CNN's Anderson Cooper it was Michael Jackson's decision to hire Murray and that he demanded it. Murray had previously treated Jackson's children and had known the singer since 2006, the complaint states.

By June 18, according to the complaint, Jackson had attended only a few rehearsals, prompting AEG Live's Phillips and "This is It" director Kenny Ortega to demand a face to face meeting with him at Jackson's Holmby Hills estate. Phillips and Ortega insisted that Jackson show up for rehearsals or AEG would "pull the plug" on Jackson's rented house and terminate the services of Murray if he missed another rehearsal, the complaint alleges.

On that same evening, Murray allegedly gave Jackson Valium, Ativan, Versed, and Propofol in order to induce sleep, similar to the medications he allegedly administered over the previous five weeks, the complaint alleges. Murray continued this practice without CPR or nursing assistance which AEG had promised, according to the complaint. Jackson rehearsed on June 19, 23 and 24, according to attorney Oxman. Most of the documentary "This is it" was filmed on those dates, according to AEG Live executive Randy Phillips.

On June 24, AEG sent Murray a revised contract agreement, which mirrored the original May 8, 2009, oral agreement, except it required Jackson's signature, the complaint alleges. Murray signed the agreement and faxed it to AEG although the complaint alleges that AEG knew of the inherent dangers of the treatments Murray was administering and "recklessly" withheld life saving equipment that AEG knew was essential to protect Michael Jackson's life.

"Had AEG not violated California law and fulfilled its promise to provide Cardio-Pulmonary Resuscitation equipment and a nurse, Michael Jackson would not have died on June 25th," the complaint alleges.

The complaint is supported by 16 exhibits including a purported cost estimate of Murray's medical services and a copy of the purported contract between AEG and Murray.
The cost of medical equipment and other supplies requested by Murray purportedly totaled $8,000 per month. A nurse was estimated to cost $7,000 per month, according to the complaint. The cost of Murray's rental property in London is said to have totaled $8,000 per month, the complaint stated. Murray, who pleaded not guilty to involuntary manslaughter charges, told LAPD investigators that he was never paid for his treatment of Jackson.

A representative at the California Medical Board confirmed to CNN the filing of Jackson's complaint but declined further comment.

 

[esther1972]

And Oxmann got the info about oral agreement and emails from who??? Murray himself???

Please don't shoot me for what i'm about to say but for me it looks like Murray is being kept out the wind for a reason. It's like some are selling out Michael to get the hands on AEG money by making damn sure murray will walk home a free man in exchange for information...something fishy is going on here..

I'm really sorry if i've stepped on anybody's toos, but this feeling is really bothering me.

 

[ivy]

And Oxmann got the info about oral agreement and emails from who??? Murray himself???

that's been the question in my mind as well from the beginning

and I soooo want to see these court filings.

 

[esther1972]

that's been the question in my mind as well from the beginning

and I soooo want to see these court filings.

Me too Ivy...me too

 

[rainny]

At this point, it wouldn't shock me to hear than when Brian is asked for those

emails, he answers not to have them because someone is hiding them.

:lol:

 

[ivy]

^^
for a man who's complaining about secrecy, Oxman certainly has access to a lot of private information (such as verbal agreements and personal emails)

 

[marc_vivien]

I'm sure that AEG has plenty of documents also

The medical board investigates only doctors or medical offices ; I don't see how they will
investigate AEG

 

[Sophielo]

This is all just so screwed up. Sadly I don't think we're ever going to know the full extent of the truth. I just pray that it comes out

 

[xthunderx2]

And Oxmann got the info about oral agreement and emails from who??? Murray himself???

Please don't shoot me for what i'm about to say but for me it looks like Murray is being kept out the wind for a reason. It's like some are selling out Michael to get the hands on AEG money by making damn sure murray will walk home a free man in exchange for information...something fishy is going on here..

I'm really sorry if i've stepped on anybody's toos, but this feeling is really bothering me.

after reading that article..I too got that thought..It has gotta be Murray leaking it....who else would have all these details except the parties involved???.....I think Murray is starting to cooperate....even the part about Michael and Randy having that meeting...Michael being told that they would stop the shows and take the house. Remember the threats???...well to me...This article has some truth to it.

 

[Ashtanga]

^^
for a man who's complaining about secrecy, Oxman certainly has access to a lot of private information (such as verbal agreements and personal emails)

Maybe, Oxman is a hacker very skillful. :lol: He is a joke.

I think Murray is starting to cooperate....

With Oxman and Joe? I doubt it.

 

[bouee]

that's been the question in my mind as well from the beginning

and I soooo want to see these court filings.

me too. But again, why file them with the Medical Board ???

Wouldn'it be more logical to file them in court ????