Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

I'm leaving this here because it's a thing that unfortunately exists. I don't even want to know what BS Ethan is spouting after the disgusting tweets he's been putting out. So many people have been trying to educate him on the facts, but he wasn't having any of it, he's too arrogant and self-righteous. He's managed to convert a lot of people to his point of view from this it seems.

 
The notion of 'cancelling' Michael amuses me to some degree.

Michael's music, videos and performances are knitted into the fabric of world culture. To tear his contribution out of our culture will be very difficult indeed. There was something about him and what he offered the world that millions of people connected to. Whether consciously or unconsciously people are aware that there was something magical about Michael.
 
Michael Jackson OWNED the entirety of the 1980s having only put out just 2 albums that entire decade, and if it weren't for the media scandals he faced, he would have been just as big in the US during the 90s as he still was was elsewhere in the world during that time. His discography as a whole is relatively small compared to most other big artists. Not many people can put out music that sporadically and still remain as relevant for as long as Michael was and still is. There really isn't anyone else to compare him to because he literally is THE BIGGEST ARTIST, EVER. If the media thinks they can take him down just like that then they are in for a big surprise!
 
Swedish national television SVT has the FULL version of LN available to stream now. Two parts, no cuts done to it! They just put up 18 minutes ago.
 
I've barely been on Reddit since LN aired and from what I've heard it's a shit show. In fact, I did find one informative discussion about Michael and all the facts but it was actually filled under conspiracy theories subreddit. And it really should be somewhere else, because it's not a theory, it's facts.

I might have said this before so apologies if I'm repeating myself but I truly get the impression that Reddit is chock full of the kinda of people that would hate MJ. I don't know if its just me but have any of you noticed that MJ haters are most commonly average/unattractive dull white guys (sometimes women too of course), you know those washed out disco sucks dude-bro types who can't get girlfriends. In my experience its always been them, they have no self esteem and it really burns them up inside that Michael was a god like beautiful black man who believed in himself and conquered the world. Not only are these the types that hang out on reddit all the time but they'd be especially drawn to anything to do with tearing MJ down. Its entitled behaviour, they think they know everything and won't shift
 
Swedish national television SVT has the FULL version of LN available to stream now. Two parts, no cuts done to it! They just put up 18 minutes ago.
Ok, do they also tell how long the stream clips will be available there? Like one month or so?
 
I don't know if its just me but have any of you noticed that MJ haters are most commonly average/unattractive dull white guys (sometimes women too of course), you know those washed out disco sucks dude-bro types who can't get girlfriends. In my experience its always been them, they have no self esteem and it really burns them up inside

I cant even begin to tell you how accurate this is.
 
John Zieglers interview with Michaels niece, Brandi Jackson is now available:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sv"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If you saw <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> or just care about truth, my new story, which includes 2 exclusive interviews, is a must read/listen<br><br>How could a documentary omit that Wade Robson was dating Michael Jackson’s niece Brandi while allegedly being abused by him?! <a href="https://t.co/WzowfRbi9H">https://t.co/WzowfRbi9H</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1104542096759742466?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10 mars 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="sv"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Listen to truth for a change from someone who wasn’t in LeavingNeverland- He won’t lie for fame -ty <a href="https://twitter.com/InStudioWithMJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@InStudioWithMJ</a> &#128591;&#127996; <a href="https://t.co/CdwnkzBsY5">https://t.co/CdwnkzBsY5</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1104562003270602752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10 mars 2019</a></blockquote>
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I'm leaving this here because it's a thing that unfortunately exists. I don't even want to know what BS Ethan is spouting after the disgusting tweets he's been putting out. So many people have been trying to educate him on the facts, but he wasn't having any of it, he's too arrogant and self-righteous. He's managed to convert a lot of people to his point of view from this it seems.
people like that minds change like underwear. Tomorrow they will be back on MJ's side.
 
The notion of 'cancelling' Michael amuses me to some degree.

Michael's music, videos and performances are knitted into the fabric of world culture. To tear his contribution out of our culture will be very difficult indeed. There was something about him and what he offered the world that millions of people connected to. Whether consciously or unconsciously people are aware that there was something magical about Michael.
Plus the majority of the public aren't even calling for it.
 
Ok, do they also tell how long the stream clips will be available there? Like one month or so?

Its going to be available to stream for 6 months. And the 12th and 14th it will be broadcasted live in TV with major promotion.

So I already have a couple of statements written in swedish, that I am sharing on various swedish platforms. Especially each time a news article is posted on facebook I make sure to get the true information about the case out ASAP. Thus far people are thanking me for providing them information that the media wont give them.

I start my posts with saying: "Since the media refused to their job, I will now do for them" I have pretty much translated Charles Thompsons FACT BOMB, and added a few bits and removed a few bits.

Most people here only know what the tabloids are writing so its important to very active the coming week! I am well prepared to take on the fight full scale this week.
 
Maeflower86v2;4247958 said:
OldFan here from early/mid 2000&#8217;s. I haven&#8217;t been on here in like a decade. Been lurking on here a while and just wanted to say Hi. I&#8217;m
Glad Mj still has such a loyal fan base. The truth will prevail.

Welcome back! Stick with us and keep Michael-ing!!

Everyone posting in this thread, remember, if it starts to weigh you down, we have a never-ending party thread and so many other threads that are light and fun, for you to enjoy. The game threads, like the Image Search, for example are great for connecting (and re-connecting) with other fans on the forum. Pictures threads and video threads are also a nice distraction.

RATINGS for the LN documentary world-wide are low, low, LOW - basically it TANKED. Michael's music has SPIKED on the charts and is doing strongly on all platforms. His legacy is impervious to these allegations and lies because the bottom line is that he is innocent. He always was, of course. He once said that "lies run sprints, but the truth runs a marathon"....this is just another marathon from which he will emerge, victorious, I firmly believe that.

Please remember that many of the online news items that you may be reading, which analyse the impact of LN are TABLOID-ish, in nature and are not necessarily based in actual fact and truth, but are merely the OPINION and the interpretation of the writer.
 
I think that Michael was innocent. But I find it offensive that these men are seen as being brave and believable when they claim to have deliberately lied to law enforcement and to the court under oath in order to protect Michael. Especially Wade. Even if somebody thinks the allegations are true, they should be disgusted about that. A brave person would have told the supposed “truth” in court when it counted. They wouldn’t wait until after the accused person dies and then start talking trash. I’m sorry. There is no excuse for that or for an adult to commit perjury and let someone get away with a crime. Wade was a big reason why Michael was rightfully found innocent.
 
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Kingofpop4ever3000;4247991 said:
I think that Michael was innocent. But I find it offensive that these men are seen as being brave and believable when they claim to have deliberately lied to law enforcement and to the court under oath in order to protect Michael. Especially Wade. Even if somebody thinks the allegations are true, they should be disgusted about that. A brave person would have told the supposed “truth” in court when it counted. I’m sorry. There is no excuse for an adult to let someone get away with a crime like that. They wouldn’t wait until after the accused person dies and then start talking trash. Haters love to complain about how Michael should have gone to prison. But they don’t seem to care that Wade was a big reason he walked out of that courthouse free.

That's been a big part of my argument,all Wade had to do in court was say yes to certain questions when asked what happened and that probably would have been enough corroborating evidence to have put Michael in prison.

Of course he didn't as nothing happened and has since claimed he didn't know it was abuse as to keep the window of limitations open.
 
Silverstone;4247992 said:
That's been a big part of my argument,all Wade had to do in court was say yes to certain questions when asked what happened and that probably would have been enough corroborating evidence to have put Michael in prison.

Of course he didn't as nothing happened and has since claimed he didn't know it was abuse as to keep the window of limitations open.


Yes. That’s one of the major reasons why I don’t believe any of this garbage.
 
Welcome back! Stick with us and keep Michael-ing!!

Everyone posting in this thread, remember, if it starts to weigh you down, we have a never-ending party thread and so many other threads that are light and fun, for you to enjoy. The game threads, like the Image Search, for example are also great for connecting (and re-connecting) with other fans on the forum. Pictures threads and video threads are also a nice distraction.

RATINGS for the LN documentary world-wide are low, low, LOW - basically it TANKED. Michael's music has SPIKED on the charts and is doing strongly on all platforms. His legacy is impervious to these allegations and lies because the bottom line is that he is innocent. He always was, of course. He once said that "lies run sprints, but the truth runs a marathon"....this is just another marathon from which he will emerge, victorious, I firmly believe that.

Please remember that many of the online news items that you may be reading, which analyse the impact of LN are TABLOID-ish, in nature and are not necessarily based in actual fact and truth, but are merely the OPINION and the interpretation of the writer.
Let's be real, his legacy isn't impervious. The previous allegations were a stain, but the Not Guilty verdict helped some and then there was the added surge of love and appreciation after his death. But this documentary is a huge dent that isn't going to go away unless something really big happens to disprove everything. Even if it does, Michael's name and career is tarnished forever by the label 'child molester'. And the injustice of that is unbearable.
 
<header class="" style="box-sizing: inherit;">Icon, Unfiltered: Stephanie Mills Talks Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, and Why the Music Industry Doesn't Honor Black Artists
<time class="meta__time updated" datetime="2019-03-09T15:47:00-05:00" style="color: rgb(125, 125, 125); box-sizing: inherit;">Today 3:47pm</time>Filed to: STEPHANIE MILLS</header>From an interview of singer, Stephanie Mills:

TR: You used date Michael Jackson in the early ‘80s. I’m sure you’ve heard of HBO’s Leaving Neverland documentary; did you watch it?

SM: I’m familiar with it but I won’t be watching it because he didn’t do the things—they said he was already clear. He went to court. So why are they doing it? It’s purely to make money. So, I will not be watching it, because I don’t believe any of that is true. I know for a fact that it’s not true.

https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/icon-unfiltered-stephanie-mills-talks-michael-jackson-1833177760
 
John Ziegler interviews with Brandi and Taj - Soundcloud links.

Definitely Listen - Brandi 1st. She starts talking after about maybe 9 mins.

'Scalding tea' especially as regards Joy.

https://soundcloud.com/freespeechbr...xLulO9MNCsig7xPC-cws1MU1pbqRlUCJZ9KWbTKjxukcQ


Then Taj:

https://soundcloud.com/freespeechbroadcasting/2019-03-09-2-exclusive-interview-with-taj-jackson

Thanks for posting the links. This is the interview that I am seeing a lot of tweets about. Apparently Joy is even more of a piece of work than I thought.
 
Thanks for posting the links. This is the interview that I am seeing a lot of tweets about. Apparently Joy is even more of a piece of work than I thought.

Joy wanted custody of MJ's kids and said that Michael didn't want them to be with his mother. Insane.
 
WildStyle;4248004 said:
Joy wanted custody of MJ's kids and said that Michael didn't want them to be with his mother. Insane.

She&#8217;s such a wack job, she&#8217;s fricking crazy. Even STABchuck&#8217;s is also a wack job.
 
So here we are in 2019 and Michael is being called a CRIMINAL MASTERMIND, MR. SERIAL CHILD MOLESTER and MJJ Productions is supposed to be the most sophisticated paedophile organisation the world has ever seen? COME ON! Anyone with a little common sense realizes how absurd this is....they are just putting up a big show and because its Michael Jackson the media will run their puppet show and people will be stupid enough to buy it!

I dont find the words to describe this incredible injustice thats being done :-(
 
I might have said this before so apologies if I'm repeating myself but I truly get the impression that Reddit is chock full of the kinda of people that would hate MJ. I don't know if its just me but have any of you noticed that MJ haters are most commonly average/unattractive dull white guys (sometimes women too of course), you know those washed out disco sucks dude-bro types who can't get girlfriends. In my experience its always been them, they have no self esteem and it really burns them up inside that Michael was a god like beautiful black man who believed in himself and conquered the world. Not only are these the types that hang out on reddit all the time but they'd be especially drawn to anything to do with tearing MJ down. Its entitled behaviour, they think they know everything and won't shift

Reddit also tends to lean left quite a bit (with the exception of the obviously right-leaning sub-reddits like the Donald Trump one), so there's been quite a bit of guilt-tripping about "supporting pedophilia" and "how dare you not believe the victims!" going on. The MJ sub itself has seen quite a few hater posts too. One person posted about how she visited Neverland as a kid and someone basically told her that her story didn't matter simply because she was a girl.

Took a few days away from this thread. Don't know if I can find the time to go through all I've missed but I hope things have gotten better.
 
First Reviews of Dan Reed&#8217;s Leaving Neverland: IT STARTS WITH A BIG LIE

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2...s-leaving-neverland-it-starts-with-a-big-lie/
+ read the comments

The first week of March this year was packed with so many crucial events around the so-called documentary &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; that each of them demanded a post. However covering them all was impossible in principle, so I settled on a review of the main episodes in the battle between truth and lies suddenly imposed on the public by Michael Jackson haters.

Some important pieces of the battle may have been omitted and I apologize for it in advance &#8211; if something substantial was overlooked it may be added later, in the comments or as an update to the post.


WHAT YOU SHOULD KNOW before watching &#8216;Leaving Neverland&#8217;

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2019/02/19/what-you-should-know-before-watching-leaving-neverland/
+ read the comments

When you hear reviews of the &#8220;Leaving Neverland&#8221; film all they tell you is that the two guys are &#8220;incredibly credible&#8221;, the film is &#8220;powerful&#8221;, and their only reply to your questions about its objectivity is &#8220;watch the film first.&#8221; This makes you realize that this movie relies solely on people&#8217;s emotions meant to outweigh the voice of reason and inconvenient questions like &#8220;Where is the evidence?&#8221; and &#8220;Why should we believe their current and not previous opposite version?&#8221;

Jimmy Safechuck Findings By Desiree Speaks So Listen

https://michaeljacksonvindication2....fechuck-findings-by-desiree-speaks-so-listen/

The following is a blog post written in 2011 by Desiree of Desiree Speaks So Listen. The blog doesn&#8217;t exist anymore. It contains information that she reached out to James Safechuck , his parent and his wife.
 
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