Beachlover
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Someone asked whose side I am on. I am a Michael Jackson fan and loved Michael very much and I have also said numerous times that I believe he was a human being and I accepted him with any flaws I may have seen because the good far outweighed any bad I ever saw. I will attempt to medically explain what I see in Dangerous' post below.
The timeline again. According to Murrays lawyer on August 26th or around there, he said the timeline was wrong. Now its in the news again. I am going to say that somewhere along the line, the time line can has not been accurately reported.Inconsistencies in the autopsy report
- Page 1 states the body’s face is unshaven. Page 8 states that “a mustache and beard are absent.”
- The body was in a hospital gown. Why would they stop resuscitative efforts to change his clothes into a hospital gown ? Everyone very much doubts he wasn’t wearing any bottoms or undies when he was put under. And he would obviously not be wearing a hospital gown either originally.
This was talked about pages back. The hospital gown statements were made after he was in the hospital. Any bottoms would have had to be taken off in the ER when they inserted lines threaded up to the heart or arteries. We don't know if he was wearing anything in the house.
- The report states his teeth are all natural. Then, they however proceed to describe ceramic and metallic alteration/restoration and endosseal implants which is a metal wire implanted to support an ARTIFICIAL tooth. The implants are 'caps' attached to bone. By artificial they mean teeth that remove, such as bridges and plates.
- The report states MJ was not found in his usual bedroom, down the hall, but in another one, on top of the stairs. Reports from Murray’s lawyer and other sources are inconsistent when it comes to where MJ was found.
- The report claims MJ’s body was identified using his driver’s license. It would state Michael JOE Jackson. Also, the paramedics claimed that he looked so unlike himself that they took a while recognising him. There is no mention of LaToya IDing the body.
To be honest, I never heard the paramedics interview. The only thing we heard was second hand from TMZ or other sources. I have no idea if that is true.
- The coroner staff took hair samples for toxicology in August, after 2 autopsies were already completed. —> Why ? As hair provides a more accurate timeline of all drug use across the course of the hair’s growth (stringent drug tests use hair rather than urine), one would think it would be habitual and almost mandatory to take hair samples in toxicology cases.
They likely didn't realize the full scope of the importance of this until after the tox came back. It was only at that time they realized they needed further proof of past history. What they found in the basic tox was not enough evidence.
- The toxicology screen did not find the Flumazenil administered by Murray. However, they found it in the IV system and a 10cc syringe, along with the Propofol and Lidocaine. There were no drugs found in the upper portion of the IV tubing or in the IV bag. –> was Murray re-using needles ? How much Propofol did he inject into the IV bolus ? Why was the fluid in the syringe white, while the fluid in the IV was yellow, though they both contained the same drugs and the IV fluid was clear ?
I believe the upper portion and the IV bag were not used for anything as it was just fluid. It is possible Murray was reusing SYRYINGES and possibly needles but he didn't inject into the patient. Just the tubings. I have yet to figure out what the yellow drug is. I can not figure that out. Only certain drugs are yellow, or vitamin mixtures; certain antibiotics. I can't figure out what 'yellow' drug was used.
- The toxicology screen did not find the epinephrine or atropine said to be administered by paramedics during resuscitative efforts.
Here is something I tried to explain to Soundmind but everyone thinks I am on Murrays side. I said ALL DRUGS WERE NOT TESTED. Thats what I said. We don't have the results. It is not that they didn't find these drugs...they were NOT ON THE TOX.
- The toxicology screen did find ephedrine, but there is no report of where or how it was administered. It was found only in his urine, which would mean that it had enough time to be filtered by the liver.
Ephedrine could have been taken at any time. It is even found in some sports drinks from out of the country.
- The autopsy report states that Murray found MJ not breathing at around noon. —> The search warrant timeline claims that Murray found him at around 10.52 AM. Weird considering that that specific info was most likely given to the coroner by detectives on the case.
The timeline I won't even comment on.
- The report states that MJ called Murray to his house at 1AM and MJ slept several hours at his side –> The search warrant indicates that Murray kept administering all those drugs because MJ could NOT fall asleep.
- Somehow, Murray managed to perform CPR with enough force to fracture ribs but there was no recorded bruise on MJ’s back which should have been present had he put his hand at his back to “harden” the surface, as stated by his legal team. Also, the report states Murray performed CPR on the ground when it was clear it was performed on a bed (the 911 dispatcher orders Alvarez to put MJ on the ground, yet Alvarez never relays the info to the doctor). This is a key element to proving Murray’s gross negligence and incompetence as CPR is a basic for any doctor, especially a cardiologist.
In all fairness, the CPR was done by several people so it is hard to say when the ribs were broken.
Oh God, he’s taking Propofol… Or is he ?
- The report indicates the presence of benzodiazepines, which are a contributory factor the death, as mixing Propofol with benzos is deadly. It takes exactly 15 seconds for any simpleton to find that info on the Internet – do a Wikipedia search on Propofol, they clearly state that Propofol and benzos should never be mixed together. Hard to believe Murray would be THAT stupid and ignorant on that clear contraindication.
I’m also finding it hard to believe that they would rule that death as an “acute Propofol intoxication”. I searched precedents of drug abuse and found some cases : all of them were results of a self-administered injection which too rapid and then, not monitored leading to cardiac arrest. All those deaths were declared as such – no technical overdose on the product. Also, several doctors have come out saying that the dosage was standard, some even going as far as saying that it was not sufficient to put him efficiently to sleep for a sufficient period of time.
Someone already said that Benzos are given with Propofol. Maybe not in Wikipedia world, but in truth, they are.
- The report states that Propofol was found in stomach contents. How is that even possible ? I believe Propofol crosses the barriers, and also, there was blood in the stomach from what I understood.
Propofol is an intravenous drug EXCLUSIVELY. The only way for it to be found in the stomach would be that one had taken it orally, had drunk it. Obviously, there’s no doubt that MJ didn’t drink the substance. Now, say he had drunk the substance. It would still have to be metabolised, which can’t happen if he’s dead. There wouldn’t have been enough time anyway, according to the search warrant timeline, for that to happen.
- Speaking of some time confusions… The AR states that Murray was called by MJ at his house at 1AM ; the search warrant more or less corroborates that since it states that Murray gave MJ his first injections at 1.30 AM. However, fan testimonies from the This Is Not It website (as well as some other reports from MJ’s entourage) place MJ going out the Staples Centre at 1.30 AM. That means MJ would be home at around 2 in the morning (it takes around 30 minutes without circulation to go from the Staples Center to his Carolwood home) – say Murray gets there at the same time. At the earliest, MJ’s first injections would have taken place at 2.10-15 AM when everything was set up.
It would have taken for the police a simple interrogation of MJ’s entourage to clear that up.
Speaking of the timeline, the search warrant itself shows something extremely strange. It states that Murray found MJ not breathing at 10.52 AM yet also that Murray placed three calls between 11.18 and 12.05 AM… in the midst of the chaos, seriously ? Though Murray’s lawyer said the timeline was flawed and Murray found MJ unconscious at 11.50 something, he still placed those calls AFTERWARDS. And the police didn’t find that suspicious… even malicious ? With all this crucial info (the benzo mix, the CPR on the bed, the timeline contradictions), it would have taken since Murray’s interrogation + the autopsy report completion to book Murray. Seriously. The judge didn’t even prohibit him from practising medicine when all goes to prove he was negligent, incompetent and even malevolent (placing phone calls while MJ was dying).