Did Jordan Chandler Admit That MJ Did Not Molest Him?

[HIStory]

^^ The "eye witnesses" were the Neverland 5 plus Phillip Lemarque and Stella Marcroft, a French couple who were Michael's employees. All were exposed as liars in court.

Those "eye witnesses" said they saw Michael molest boys like Macaulay Culkin, Wade Robson, Brett Barnes. The boys were called to the stand by the defense and testified it never happened. Of course, when they "saw" these alleged molestations happen they just stood by and didn't do a damn thing about it. Actually they only ever came up with such allegations after the Chandler case broke. And they went to tabloids with their stories to get paid for them.

The Neverland 5 were sued by Michael for stealing from him. Michael won that lawsuit and they were ordered to pay him big money. From Ralph Chacon's (one of the Neverland 5) testimony (Kassim Abdool and Adrian McManus were the other two of the Neverland 5 who testified):

23 Q. Okay. We’ll get into that.

24 You sued Mr. Jackson claiming you were

25 wrongfully terminated, right?

26 A. That’s correct, sir.

27 Q. He sued you claiming you had stolen property

28 from him, true? 5202


1 A. That’s correct, sir.

2 Q. The jury found you were not wrongfully

3 terminated by Mr. Jackson, correct?

4 A. But we were, sir.

5 Q. Answer my question, please. Did the Santa

6 Maria jury find you were not wrongfully terminated

7 by Mr. Jackson?

8 A. Yes, sir.

9 Q. And they also found you had stolen property

10 from Mr. Jackson, correct?

11 A. But I didn’t, sir.

12 Q. Did the Santa Maria jury find you had stolen

13 property from Mr. Jackson?

14 A. Yes, sir.

15 Q. A judgment was entered against you, Mr.

16 Chacon, for $25,000, the value of what you had

17 stolen, correct?

18 A. For candy bars, sir?

19 Q. A judgment was entered against you for

20 $25,000, the value of what the Court found you had

21 stolen, correct?

22 A. Well, if a candy bar is worth that much,

23 yes, sir.

24 Q. That’s not all you owe Mr. Jackson

25 currently, is it?

26 A. No, sir. I don’t owe him.

27 Q. In fact, Judge Zel Canter of this court,

28 entered a judgment against you and your 5203



1 co-defendants for $1,473,117.61, correct?

2 A. Yes, sir.

3 Q. He ordered you pay all of Mr. Jackson’s

4 legal fees and costs, correct?

5 A. Yes, sir.

6 Q. Have you ever paid any of that judgment, Mr.

7 Chacon?

8 A. No, sir. I filed bankruptcy.

9 Q. Now, the jury found you not only stole from

10 Mr. Jackson, but you acted maliciously, correct?

11 A. No, sir.

12 Q. Did a judge find you had acted with malice?

13 A. No, sir.

14 Q. Is there a judgment against you for acting

15 with fraud against Mr. Jackson?

16 A. That I know of, no, sir.

17 Q. Would it refresh your recollection to look

18 at the judgment?

19 A. Yes, sir.

20 MR. MESEREAU: May I approach, Your Honor?

21 THE COURT: Yes.

22 THE WITNESS: Okay.

23 Oh, it’s there, sir. I didn’t know. Yes,

24 sir.

25 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Have you had a chance to

26 look at that judgment, Mr. Chacon?

27 A. Do you mean right now?

28 Q. Yes. 5204



1 A. Yes, sir.

2 Q. There is not only a judgment against you in

3 favor of Mr. Jackson --

4 MR. SNEDDON: Wait a minute. I’m going to

5 object. He asked to refresh his recollection. He

6 should ask him if it did.

7 MR. MESEREAU: Sure.

8 THE COURT: That’s correct.

9 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Have you had a chance to

10 look at the judgment against you, Mr. Chacon?

11 A. I looked at that, yes, sir. But I don’t

12 remember it.

13 Q. Does it refresh your recollection that

14 there’s a judgment against you for fraud and

15 malice --

16 A. No, sir.

17 Q. -- in favor of Mr. Jackson?

18 A. Yes, sir.

19 Q. You never heard of that before?

20 A. Well, probably, but I don’t remember.

21 Q. After a six-month trial, you don’t remember?

22 A. Well, it’s been 12 years also, sir, or so.

23 Q. Do you remember stipulating and agreeing

24 that you had personally acted with fraud, oppression

25 and malice against Mr. Jackson?

26 A. Probably so, sir.

27 Q. You did that, didn’t you?

28 A. No, sir. 5205



1 Q. You didn’t stipulate that you had acted with

2 fraud, oppression, and malice against Mr. Jackson in

3 that case?

4 A. Well, yes, sir.

5 Q. After a six-month trial, this is a good way

6 to get even with him, isn’t it?

7 MR. SNEDDON: Argumentative. Object, Your

8 Honor. Move to strike.

9 THE COURT: Sustained.

10 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: Do you have any motive

11 today, sir, to get even with Mr. Jackson?

12 A. No, sir.

13 Q. Do you remember telling a therapist you’d

14 rather get a million dollars from Mr. Jackson than

15 work?

16 A. No, sir.

17 Q. Do you remember being evaluated by a Ph.D.

18 named Dr. Scott Gorsuch?

19 A. I don’t recall, sir.

20 Q. Do you recall being evaluated by a therapist

21 in that lawsuit?

22 A. Probably at one point, but I don’t recall

23 it, sir.

24 Q. Who was your lawyer in that case?

25 A. Mr. Ring from Santa Barbara.

26 Q. Do you remember, in response to being called

27 a malinger, you said, “I’d like just a million from

28 Mr. Jackson”? 5206



1 A. That’s not true, sir.

2 Q. Never happened?

3 A. No, sir.

4 Q. Do you recall making statements you didn’t

5 want to work again?

6 A. No, sir.

7 Q. Okay. After you left Mr. Jackson, you filed

8 for disability, didn’t you?

9 A. Yes, sir.

10 Q. You weren’t disabled, were you?

11 A. I think it was just unemployment, wasn’t it?

12 Q. Did you file for disability, Mr. Chacon,

13 after you left Mr. Jackson’s employment?

14 A. It was unemployment, I believe it was.

[...]

21 Q. Okay. All right. Now, at the time you

22 filed your lawsuit against Mr. Jackson, you knew

23 that other former employees at Neverland had sold

24 stories to tabloids about Mr. Jackson, didn’t you?

25 A. Could you rephrase that, sir?

26 Q. Sure. At the time you filed your lawsuit

27 against Mr. Jackson, you were aware that other

28 former employees at Neverland had sold stories to 5224



1 tabloids, correct?

2 A. I don’t understand the “others,” sir. Which

3 others?

4 Q. Blanca Francia?

5 A. No, sir.

6 Q. Never heard of it?

7 A. Oh, yes, I heard of it. But I didn’t -- I

8 wasn’t aware of that.

9 Q. Were you aware of anyone else at Neverland

10 who was employed at one point trying to go to a

11 tabloid to sell a story?

12 A. No, sir.

13 Q. Never heard anything about it?

14 A. No, sir.

15 Q. Okay. Did you ever hear anything about

16 Adrian McManus doing that?

17 A. Well, we went to a tabloid.

18 Q. Which one?

19 A. It was The Star.

20 Q. And who was “we”?

21 A. It was myself, Adrian McManus, Kassim

22 Abdool, and I guess that was it.

23 Q. And approximately when did you go to this

24 tabloid?

25 A. We had met at Mr. Ring’s office in Santa

26 Barbara.

27 Q. And after you met with your attorney, who

28 represented you in the lawsuit, you went to a 5225



1 tabloid, correct?

2 A. Right. Yes, sir.

3 Q. And you wanted money for a story, true?

4 A. Yes, sir.

5 Q. Who did you meet with at the tabloid when

6 you requested money?

7 A. Can you rephrase that, sir?

8 Q. Yes, sir. Who did you meet with when you

9 went to a tabloid to request money?

10 A. Oh, there was myself, Kassim, Adrian, and

11 whoever the reporter was, and Mr. Ring.

12 Q. Your lawyer was there with you, right?

13 A. Yes, sir.

14 Q. You did it with your lawyer because you

15 thought that negative publicity would pressure Mr.

16 Jackson into paying all of you money, right?

17 A. No.

18 MR. SNEDDON: Object as argumentative, Your

19 Honor.

20 THE COURT: Overruled. The answer was, “No.”

21 Next question.

22 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: You went to the tabloid

23 before the case was tried to a jury, right?

24 A. I believe so, yes, sir.

25 Q. Had you filed a case before you went to the

26 tabloid?

27 A. I don’t recall, but I believe so, sir.

28 Q. Did you sell a story to the tabloid? 5226



1 A. Yes, sir.

2 Q. Did you ever hire a broker to help you sell

3 other stories to other tabloids?

4 A. No, sir.

5 Q. Did you ever hear anything about McManus

6 doing that?

7 A. No, sir.

8 Q. Okay. What other tabloids did you speak to?

9 A. None, sir.

10 Q. Just one?

11 A. Yes, sir.

12 Q. Just Star?

13 A. Yes, sir.

14 Q. But you were aware that McManus went to

15 other tabloids, true?

16 A. No, sir.

17 Q. Just Star?

18 A. Yes, sir.

19 Q. Did you ever speak to anyone at Inside

20 Edition?

21 A. No, sir.

22 Q. Okay. How about any other newspaper?

23 A. No, sir.

24 Q. Now, you wanted to sell information about

25 Mr. Jackson allegedly acting wrongfully with young

26 men, correct?

27 A. Yes, sir. To The Star.

28 Q. And you also wanted to sell information 5227



1 about his relationship with Lisa Marie Presley,

2 correct?

3 A. No, sir.

4 Q. Never did that?

5 A. No, sir.

6 Q. Ever hear of any of your co-plaintiffs doing

7 that?

8 A. That I recall, I don’t recall, sir.

9 Q. Don’t recall it at all?

10 A. No, sir.

11 Q. Okay. Was your story printed, to your

12 knowledge?

13 A. Yes, sir.

14 Q. Approximately when did that happen?

15 A. I don’t know the date, sir.

16 Q. Any idea at all?

17 A. No, sir.

18 Q. Okay. Can’t even estimate, right?

19 A. No, sir.

20 Q. Okay. All right. How long after you told

21 your co-plaintiff against Mr. Jackson, Mr. Kassim

22 Abdool, about these alleged acts of molestation did

23 you both go to a tabloid?

24 A. Oh, I -- it wasn’t -- it wasn’t right away.

25 But I don’t recall when it was.

26 Q. Okay. It was before you went to law

27 enforcement, wasn’t it?

28 A. No, sir. 5228



1 Q. Was it after it?

2 A. I believe so, sir. I don’t recall.

3 Q. Okay. Mr. Chacon, in late ‘93 and early

4 ‘94, you told other people that Michael Jackson was

5 innocent of molestation accusations, didn’t you?

6 A. No, sir.

7 Q. Never told that to anyone at the ranch?

8 A. No, sir.

9 Q. Okay. Are you familiar with a tabloid

10 called Splash?

11 A. Yes, sir.

12 Q. What is Splash?

13 A. I believe it’s a tabloid.

14 Q. Ever met with someone named Peter Burt from

15 Splash?

16 A. I don’t recall, sir.

17 Q. Are you saying you don’t recall, or you

18 don’t -- you didn’t?

19 A. I don’t remember, sir, if I did or not.

20 Q. So you could have, but you don’t remember?

21 A. Could have, but I don’t remember.

22 Q. Okay. Do you know somebody named Sandy

23 Domz?

24 A. Yes, sir.

25 Q. Who was Sandy Domz?

26 A. She was one of the secretaries at Neverland

27 Ranch.

28 Q. Okay. Do you recall Sandy Domz ever 5229



1 approaching a tabloid?

2 A. No, sir.

3 Q. Don’t know anything about it?

4 A. No, sir.

5 Q. All right. Do you recall speaking to a book

6 author named Gutierrez?

7 A. Yes, sir.

8 Q. And approximately when did you speak to a

9 book author named Gutierrez?

10 A. I believe that was before we went to Star,

11 and -- but I don’t remember the -- I don’t remember

12 the date or the time.

13 Q. Okay. Do you remember splitting money from

14 any tabloids with any other employees or former

15 employees of Neverland?

16 A. No, sir.

17 Q. You never split money for giving information

18 to a T.V. show called Inside Edition?

19 A. That I recall, no, sir.

20 Q. So you’re not telling the jury you didn’t do

21 it, you’re just saying, “I don’t recall”?

22 A. Well, I don’t -- I don’t think I did it or

23 we did it, no, sir.

24 Q. You don’t know for sure?

25 A. I just don’t recall if we did or not, sir.

26 Q. You might have, but you don’t remember,

27 right?

28 A. I don’t remember. 5230

The LeMarques too sold stories to tabloids. Their price depended on how salacious a tabloid wanted a story to be. If they paid them $100 000 they said they saw Michael fondling boys, if they paid them $500 000 they were willing to say they saw him put his hand in a boy's pants. BTW, after Michael fired them in 1991 (so they weren't even around when Jordan was there) they ran porn websites from the mid 90s.

So none of these people were credible at all. Just like the jury didn't believe them in 2005, I don't think they would have believed them in 1993.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

^^ Thanks for the interesting post. I think the neverland 5 actually testified in favour of mj during the 93/4 grand jury as they didn't turn against mj until they lost their jobs in the security shakeup.

From what i remember of the lamarques they didn't actually get the money for their salacious tales in 93 as they were double-crossed by their media handler who ratted on them, which is why we know that they were altering their story depending on how much money they were being offered.

The Quindoys, the filippine couple who used to work for mj in the early 90s, were another couple who didn't get their money for their mj lies. When they left mj's employment after a dispute in the early 90s they sold some stories to the uk news of the world - i can't find any record of it so it must have been quite harmless. When the allegations broke in 93, they realised there was big money to be made out of selling mj down the river and they gave a news conf (its on youtube i think) to the media and began negotiations for a fee of $500K with the news of the world again to sell salacious tales about mj which they suddenly recalled. However, after being interviewed by the journalist, the paper looked again at the contract they had made with the quindos from a few yrs back and saw that it was open-ended, so they didn't have to pay the couple any more. The paper got a massive story in 93, and all for free. They must have been pretty unconvincing as witnesses, as sneddon went to see them for the 05 trial and decided not to use them and we know how desperate he was, so they must have been bad!

 

[HIStory]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

The Quindoys - a nephew of one of them was ready to testify AGAINST them! He said in an article he was ashamed of his relatives, they give Philippino people a bad name and they are lying for money.

And yes, Sneddon talked to them but not even he found them credible and that's telling something, since he found jokes like the Neverland 5 credible, so the Quindoys must have been pretty much a mess.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

The Quindoys sold their stories about in 1991. Their stories were about how MJ had his menu at NL named after Disney characters, that he wrote his lyrics out on his bedsheets... that was about as interesting as I can recall it. All really scandalous stuff. I have a copy of some newspapers quoting them from 1991 somewhere.

The FBI flew out to speak to the Quindoys in 1993, the most interesting part of that report I can remember is the FBI discussion about which hotel to stay in and about making sure to bring translators.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

When you have a min (after xmas!) it wd be interesting to hear what the quindoys said in that first interview esp about all the chlldren that hung out at neverland. From what i remember the notw reporter said he didn't find them believable as they only had nice things to say about mj in the first interview but it didn't stop them splashing the story. All these ex-employees (and rogue sister) were important in keeping the allegation story going in late 93, as with no further 'victims' coming forward the story cd have died down and be seen as blackmail. If we know about the newts being bribed by that reporter from the national enquirer, you can imagine how the more prominent child friends of mj must have been doorstepped and tempted by big bucks from these media outlets.

 

[jrsfan]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

When you have a min (after xmas!) it wd be interesting to hear what the quindoys said in that first interview esp about all the chlldren that hung out at neverland. From what i remember the notw reporter said he didn't find them believable as they only had nice things to say about mj in the first interview but it didn't stop them splashing the story. All these ex-employees (and rogue sister) were important in keeping the allegation story going in late 93, as with no further 'victims' coming forward the story cd have died down and be seen as blackmail. If we know about the newts being bribed by that reporter from the national enquirer, you can imagine how the more prominent child friends of mj must have been doorstepped and tempted by big bucks from these media outlets.

The Quindoys were on Geraldo RiveraTV show a year before the allegations with nothing bad to say. If the FBI had done any research, they could have saved taxpayers money- as they obviously had no credibility.

Good blog:

https://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2010/08/17/refuting-the-legal-analysts/

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

When you have a min (after xmas!) it wd be interesting to hear what the quindoys said in that first interview esp about all the chlldren that hung out at neverland. From what i remember the notw reporter said he didn't find them believable as they only had nice things to say about mj in the first interview but it didn't stop them splashing the story. All these ex-employees (and rogue sister) were important in keeping the allegation story going in late 93, as with no further 'victims' coming forward the story cd have died down and be seen as blackmail. If we know about the newts being bribed by that reporter from the national enquirer, you can imagine how the more prominent child friends of mj must have been doorstepped and tempted by big bucks from these media outlets.

The Newt's were offered money, so was Joy Robson and Alfonso Ribiero

http://rhythmofthetide.com/category/the-allegations/high-price-of-molestation/

 

[jrsfan]

This blog points out all the discrepancies between June Chandler & Jordan's stories: It is so smart!!!

http://vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2011/12/25/discrepancies-between-jordan-and-june-chandlers-stories/
[h=1]Discrepancies between Jordan and June Chandler’s stories[/h] December 25, 2011

tags: Jordan Chandler, June Chandler, Michael Jackson
by vindicatemj

They were always together

This post was prompted by the discrepancy found by a IMDB poster between Jordan Chandler’s interview with psychiatrist Dr. Richard Gardner (to whom he was sent for evaluation of his story on October 6, 1993) and June Chandler’s testimony at the 2005 Arvizo trial.
I decided to make a quick summary of several other contradictory things in the Chandlers’ documents. The package will include the so-called Jordan Chandler’s statement (no deposition, he never made one!) to Larry Feldman of December 28, 1993 and a collection of lies told by Ray Chander.
At the moment the list of discrepancies is far from complete but I decided not to put off until tomorrow what I can do today and write down what we have for the moment – we can return to the list and supplement it with new information any time. The list will include small and big discrepancies collected together as you never know which of them will acquire top importance in the future.

1. [h=3]It starts with the description of which party, Michael Jackson or the Chandlers, wanted further communication with each other after their initial meeting sometime in 1992.[/h]

Ray Chandler says it was Michael Jackson who wanted it. His conversation with Larry King is discussed here:

CHANDLER: That’s how they met. Michael took the boy’s phone number.
KING: Took it right there? The mother no complaint about or stepfather had no complaint of the taking of the number by Jackson? There was no reason to think of anything?
CHANDLER: No, at that point it was very innocent. Or seemed innocent.
​

June Chandler said she gave to Michael Jordan’s number and allowed him to give him a call ( see the trial transcript please):

Q. …do you recall how long you were with Mr. Jackson and Jordan that day?
A. Briefly. Five minutes. Ten minutes.
Q. And did — was there any information exchanged between you and Mr. Jackson that day?
A. Yes.
Q. And what was that?
A. I said, “If you would like to see Jordie or if he could call you or if you’d like to speak to him,here is our number, and you can give him a call.”
Q. And you gave that to Mr. Jackson?
A. Yes, I did.
​

And Jordan Chandler said in his interview with Dr. Richard Gardner that it was his step-father David Schwartz who gave the telephone to Michael, imploring him to call him:

Jordan: My stepfather took him [Michael] outside to choose a car for him to use. And I guess when my stepfather was outside he said, ‘You don’t have to pay for the car if you just take Jordie’s number and give him a call’.
Dr. Gardner: ”Why would your stepfather say that?”
Jordan: “Because my stepfather knows I was interested in Michael Jackson and his music.”
Dr. Gardner: ”And this was in your presence?’
Jordan: “No. I was told this by my stepfather.”
Dr.Gardner: “So what happened then?”
Jordan: “Then he [Michael] left.”
Dr. Gardner: “Did he agree to a deal?”
Jordan: “Yeah.”
Dr. Gardner: “Okay, then what happened?”
Jordan: “I don’t remember how many days later, but he called me”.
​

So Michael called Jordan just because it was a deal with Jordan’s stepfather! He was simply fulfilling his promise to him! If he had only known what would come of it…
.... but the media preferred to show the two of them only

[h=3]2. The duration of the phone calls between Michael and Jordan Chandler is also a big mystery.[/h] Jordan’s mother says she was always present during all telephone calls between Michael and Jordan. Altogether there were 8 or 10 of them which lasted from 10 min to an hour and a half.
In Jordan’s statement the duration of telephone conversations between Michael and Jordan is extended up to three hours. He says that the first three-hour call was made from his father’s house, and this was repeated not just once.
However from June Chandler and other sources we know that Jordan stayed at his father’s house on very rare occasions, so repeated and prolonged conversations from Evan Chandler’s house are simply out of the question under such circumstances:

JORDAN’S STATEMENT:
“I received many telephone calls from Michael Jackson. On occasion they lasted as long as three hours.”
​

HIS MOTHER’S TESTIMONY:
Q. Were you present in the house during the time to observe the length of the conversations between your son and Mr.
Jackson?
A. Yes, I was.
Q. On more than one occasion?
A. Absolutely.
Q. So based upon your observations give us an estimate of the number of times, that you know of, that Mr. Jackson called your son Jordan.
A. I would say eight to ten times.
Q. Could you give the jury some idea of how long these conversations lasted?
A. It was from maybe ten minutes, to an hour, or an hour and a half.
​

[h=3]3) Jordan says that on their first visit to Neverland Michael took him and Lily to Toys-R-Us to get anything they wanted. It sounds like they were alone there. And the mother says she was accompanying them.[/h]

JORDAN’S STATEMENT:
“One evening he took Lily and me to Toys-R-Us and we were allowed to get anything we wanted”.
HIS MOTHER:
“Lily and Jordie and Michael and I went. And they had fun. They were shopping and Michael bought lots of things for them. They picked out stuff, and they were showered with great presents from Toys-R-Us.
​

Michael always held Lily in his arms

[h=3]4) Jordan says he stayed in Las Vegas for a week. His mother says it was a 2-3 days trip only. [/h] Their difference of opinion is important as it shows that nothing extraordinary happened during that visit, though both claim that this is when the “sleepovers” started and this was accompanied by some “crying” and heated discussion.
Liars! They cannot even remember how long that notable trip lasted!

JORDAN’s statement:
In late March 93, my mother, Lily and I went to Las Vegas as a guest of Michael Jackson. We stayed at a large suite at the Mirage hotel about a week.
​

HIS MOTHER:
Q. And when you got to Las Vegas, where did you stay, what hotel?
A. The Mirage Hotel.
Q. Do you remember how long you stayed in Las Vegas on this occasion?
A. Two or three nights.
​

[h=3]5) Their individual stories of starting the so-called “sleepovers” are a stark contrast to each other.[/h] First they could not agree on how long the stay in Las Vegas lasted, and now they don’t know how the “sharing-the-bed” thing began (one would imagine that it is so important an issue that at least here they would agree, but they do not).
Jordan says the sleepover started one day during that “week” because he was scared to remain alone in this room after the Exorcist movie:

“We stayed at the Mirage hotel for a week (?). One night Michael Jackson and I watched the Exorcist in Michael Jackson’s bedroom. When the movie was over, I was scared. MJ suggested that I spend the night with him, which I did. Although we slept in the same bed there was no physical contact”.
​

As we know his mother says they stayed at the Mirage hotel for 3 days only. Her story starts with a statement which surprised even Tom Sneddon – on the first night at the hotel the four of them stayed together in one and the same room in their three-room suite (so their separate “sleepover” was ruled out on that night):

Q. Now, when you got to Las Vegas, did you have — obviously you had a room – in The Mirage.
A. Correct
Q. And who was in your room when you first got there? Who was staying in your room?
A. Jordan, myself, Lily and Michael.
Q. All in the same room?
A. Correct.
​

....but the media focused on Jordan instead

Now comes the point of “how it started”.
June Chandler says that the second night their sleeping arrangements changed. The short of her story:
Jordan and Michael were going to see a Cirque du Soleil performance. It was starting around 11 p.m. at night, but all of a sudden they returned to the hotel at 11.30 p.m. Michael was “crying” and asked “Why are you doing this? Why are you not allowing Jordan to be with me?” Their conversation lasted for some 30-40 minutes until after midnight. Then she says she “relented” and allowed his son to sleep in Michael’s bedroom for the first time.
To more or less reconcile the version Jordan related to Dr. Gardner (about the Exorcist) and his mother’s testimony, we have to assume that they watched the movie (if they did at all) after they came back to the hotel and had that tearful discussion with June Chandler. This is quite possible though given the duration of the film (approx.2:30) it should have ended at 3 in the morning and on the next day they were leaving Las Vegas.
Okay, but what does June Chandler say about the Exorcist movie at all?
She says that “she was told they had seen it”:

Q. Okay. At some point did you all see an Exorcist movie?
A. No.
Q. Do you recall anyone watching an Exorcist movie?
A. I was told Jordan and Michael watched an Exorcist movie.
​

All this is very nice of course, except one fact though – to Dr. Richard Gardner Jordan said that the notable soap-opera with “crying” and Michael’s remonstrances with his mother over the possibility to stay in his room for the first time took place after they had seen the movie, and Jordan had already stayed in Michael’s room, and June found out about this fact the next day only, and it was only then that all this “crying” actually took place:

Jordan: “After my mom and Kelly went to sleep, we went to watch the movie The Exorcist. We were in his room, in his bed. And when it was over I was scared, and he said, why don’t you just stay in here. And I did and nothing happened.”
Dr. Gardner: ”When you say you stayed in the room – - “
Jordan: “Stayed in the same bed.”
Dr. Gardner: “Slept in the same bed?”
Jordan: “That’s right.”
Dr. Gardner: “When you slept in the same bed was there any physical contact?”
Jordan: “No.”
Dr. Gardner: “Was it a big bed?”
Jordan: “Yeah, I think so.”
Dr. Gardner: “So there was no physical contact. What were your thoughts when he said let’s sleep in the same bed?”
Jordan: “Well, I was scared, and I didn’t think anything was going to happen.”
Dr. Gardner: “You were scared of him or scared of the movie?”
Jordan: “The movie. So I said, ‘Okay, that’s fine.” It was like a regular slumber party.”
Dr. Gardner: “Okay, is there anything else to say about that event?”
Jordan: “Just simply that we talked about how they got the idea for The Exorcist. So the next morning, I was with my mom alone and – - ”
Dr. Gardner: “Did your mother know that you had slept in bed with him?”
Jordan: “Well, I’m getting to that. I said, ‘I slept with Michael in the same bed last night,’ and she said, ‘Well, just don’t do it again’.”
Dr. Gardner: “Did she speak to Michael at all?”
Jordan: “Well, I’ll get to that. So when I told Michael the news of the fact that she said don’t do that again – don’t sleep in the same bed – we were alone, Michael and I, and he burst out in tears and said, ‘She can’t set up barricades like that,’ and ‘Nothing could happen, it’s just a simple slumber party type thing,’ and ‘There’s nothing wrong with it’.”
Dr. Gardner: “He said, nothing will happen, there’s nothing wrong with it, and it’s like a slumber party?”
Jordan: “Right. And so, he came – - I don’t remember if I was crying or not but he decided that he had to confront my mom with his feelings about what she said. What he told me he said, ‘There’s nothing wrong with it, you should allow it because it’s simple and fun and you shouldn’t set up barricades.’ And he got my mom feeling so guilty that she just broke down in tears and decided that, okay, I believe you. And Michael somehow got her to agree that there would be no further questions asked. And so from that point on I was in his bed till the end of our relationship.”
​

Guys, let us make it clear.
In June Chandler’s version of the events they first had a tearful discussion and then Jordan was finally allowed to sleep in Michael’s bedroom. As regards the Exorcist June Chandler says she does not know anything about it, so we assume that they saw it exactly on that very night after she allowed a sleepover.
And in Jordan Chandler’s version they first saw the Exorcist, then his mother found it out, challenged Michael Jackson with her questions, he cried over it and it was after that that she also cried and “relented” to the whole thing.
Now thanks to the attentive reader we have also noticed that in the version of crying before watching the Exorcist Jordan was allegedly present at the tearful conversation, while in the version of crying after the Exorcist Jordan wasn’t present at the conversation as he was only “told by him” [Michael] about it.
Well, how do you like it?
[h=3]6) Another interesting discrepancy is connected with the so-called “30 days in a row” which Michael Jackson allegedly spent in Jordan and June Chandler’s house.[/h] Ray Chandler thunders over it:

Ray Chandler speaks to Larry King on November 25, 2003:[url]http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/25/lkl.00.html[/URL]

CHANDLER: And one other place, which I think, you know, is very important to understand that it also occurred in the boy&#8217;s home, where he was living with his then family. Michael slept in the boy&#8217;s bedroom behind closed doors for 30 nights in a row. Thirty nights in a row. </pre>​

To answer the above let me refer you to what I&#8217;ve written about it earlier (I simply cannot go over all that absurdity again).
Though June Chandler did speak about some vague &#8220;30 days&#8221; she was quite definite that they were never in a row &#8211; she said Michael&#8217;s consecutive stays &#8220;could be a week or two at a time only:

Q. After you got back from Monaco, did Michael Jackson spend nights at your home?
A. Yes.
Q. Were the 30 nights you&#8217;ve described after you got back from Monaco?
A. No.
Q. How many nights after you got back from Monaco do you think Michael Jackson stayed at your home?
A. Oh, perhaps a week or two.
​

Let me explain this Monaco thing &#8211; Jordan claimed in his declaration of December 28, 1993 that it was in Monaco that &#8216;things got out of hand&#8217; &#8211; which was at the beginning of May (May 9, 1993). Even our Diane Dimond as a big expert on Michael Jackson also said that &#8220;it&#8221; started in Monaco.
However according to June those &#8216;30 days&#8217; were NOT AFTER Monaco. They were BEFORE it. Which means that even according to Jordan&#8217;s or Diane Dimond the period before Monaco was nothing special in the &#8216;relationship&#8217; between Michael and Jordan.
A simple deduction of 30 days from the beginning of May takes us to the beginning of April which is approximately the moment named by June Chandler and Jordan as the time when Michael invited them to Las Vegas and where Jordan allegedly stayed in Michael&#8217;s room for the first time.
We have just heard from June Chandler that Michael spent full 30 days in June&#8217;s home after Las Vegas (late March) and before Monaco (May 9) with consecutive stays being no more than &#8220;a week or two at a time&#8221;. This pressing schedule didn&#8217;t prevent them from staying (at least overnight) at Neverland two or three times too and go to Disneyland in Florida on two occasions staying there for two or three days each time. Please note that between Florida and Monaco some two or three weeks elapsed according to June&#8217;s testimony within which period June Chandler saw Michael only &#8220;at times&#8221;.
Well, didn&#8217;t I tell you that it would be difficult to understand it?
I don&#8217;t understand it either and would be really grateful if someone could explain to me how it is possible to squeeze those 30 days in question as well as numerous other events (with all those breaks in between them) into the maximum of 40 days which passed between Las Vegas (the end of March) and Monaco (the beginning of May) &#8211; especially if you consider that besides the Chandlers Michael had other matters to attend to?
For example, Michael worked on &#8220;Whatsupwithu&#8221; video with Eddy Murphy at the time which was aired on April 11, and attended some South Central educational institutions within the Heal Los Angeles program on April 26 and went with Lisa-Maria Presley to an event organized by Jimmy Carter in Atlanta within the Heal the world project on May 5.
If you don&#8217;t believe me please check up June Chandler&#8217;s testimony for the timeline yourselves:

Q. Were there other visits to Neverland Valley Ranch after you came back from Las Vegas?
A. Yes, there were.
&#8230;Q. Do you remember on how many such occasions?
A. I would say two or three times.
Q. Now, were there occasions after you got back from Las Vegas &#8212; let me &#8212; where Mr. Jackson actually was invited to stay at your residence where you lived at this point in time?
A. Yes.
Q. Now, what city was it that you lived in at this time?
A. Santa Monica.
Q. We&#8217;re talking about 1993, in the spring, right?
A. Correct.
Q. And during this time, did Mr. Jackson ever spend the night at your residence?
A. Yes, he did.
Q. And do you recall on how many occasions Mr.Jackson spent the night at your residence?
A. I would say more than 30 times.
Q. And were some of those occasions on consecutive days or nights?
A. Yes.
Q. And how long consecutively do you think that that occurred?
A. Oh. It could be a week or two at a time.
Q. And when you went to Disney World with Mr. Jackson, who else went with you?
A. Jordan and Lily.
Q. Do you recall where you stayed?
A. I recall The Grand Floridian was one hotel. Q. And during the time that &#8212; do you remember how many days &#8212; did you go there on more than one occasion?
A. Yes, we did.
Q. How many occasions?
A. Twice.
Q. Do you &#8212; I think you answered this, but just in case, how many days did you think you were in Florida?
A. Oh, I don&#8217;t really remember, but it&#8217;s probably more than two nights. Two, three nights.
Q. And after you came back from Florida, do you recall where you went?
A. After that, I think the next trip was to Monaco.
Q. In between the time that you went to Florida and to Monaco, do you recall where you were &#8212; where you were personally staying?
A. No. I guess home.
Q. Do you remember how much time elapsed between the two trips?
A. Not really, no.
Q. Was it more than a month, more than a week? Obviously it was more than a day or so.
A. Yes. It was a couple &#8212; it could be three weeks.
Q. And during that time when you got back from Florida till the time that you left for Monaco, were you with Mr. Jackson?
A. At times.
​

[h=3]7) The above remarkably inconsistent piece is also remarkable for June Chandler&#8217;s invitation to Michael to stay in their house right after the visit to Las Vegas. [/h]

&#8220;Mr. Jackson actually was invited to stay at your residence&#8221;.
​

What struck me about this statement was its passive form which was confirmed by June Chandler. But how can you be invited into anyone&#8217;s home if the master of the house does not invite you there? Wasn&#8217;t it no other but June Chandler who invited Michael to her home immediately after Las Vegas &#8211; which was exactly after that dubious Exorcist/du Soleil episode which supposedly worried her and over which she cried?
Recently I have found another proof that all talk about Michael Jackson being the initiator of spending time with Jordan Chandler was a complete fabrication. Surprisingly, but the discovery was made in the place least suitable for it &#8211; in one of the articles written by Maureen Orth:
She says,

&#8221; Pellicano isn&#8217;t bothered by admitting that Jackson slept with Jamie at Jamie&#8217;s house at least 30 days in a row, either. &#8220;They invited Michael to stay there. Michael didn&#8217;t crash their house. He didn&#8217;t say, &#8216;I want to stay here.&#8217; They wanted him to stay there.&#8221;
According to Pellicano, there was no cause for alarm in Jackson&#8217;s having a friend like Jamie. &#8220;If Michael has no sexual preference one way or another, male or female, to my knowledge, and the parents of the children are allowing this, you have to look at it in the context&#8212;especially at the ranch. They go out and they play and they go on the rides and they have water fights and do all this stuff. And then they kind of like crash. Now, Michael is always fully dressed.&#8221; Even at Jamie&#8217;s house? &#8220;When [Jamie] went to bed, he had pajamas on, and sweats, and Michael had sweats and pajamas on. Michael goes to bed with his hat on. I&#8217;m serious.&#8221;
​

As regards the hat I can easily believe Pellicano&#8217;s words &#8211; Michael was associating with Jordan Chandler exactly after the first leg of the Dangerous tour about which we know (from Karen Faye) that Michael went there with his scalp not yet healed after the balloon stretching of his skin.
So going to bed in a hat was a very natural thing to do, considering that Michael still had a scar and a half-healed burned spot there. No need to laugh, I am being serious, guys.
[h=3]8) Okay, and the last interesting discrepancy &#8211; or rather a notable omission &#8211; is connected with the description Jordan Chandler made of Michael&#8217;s genitalia.[/h] The initial description was widely reported in the press and was originally found in Jordan&#8217;s first interview with Deborah Linden, the sheriff&#8217;s assistant &#8211; however it was completely missing from the statement he made to Larry Feldman several months later.
Have you ever asked yourself a question why that light splotch &#8220;which was the color of his face&#8221; and the &#8220;circumcised penis&#8221; described by Jordan in September 1993, disappeared by the end of December 1993 when Jordan&#8217;s gave his account of the alleged molestation again?
What happened in between those two statements which contributed to the notable omission of so crucial an evidence?
Yes, yes, you are right &#8211; it was Michael Jackson&#8217;s strip search which didn&#8217;t support Jordan&#8217;s initial story and which made the media, the prosecution, Jordan Chandler and his lawyer Larry Feldman jointly forget by December 1993 the words Jordan said in September the same year.
It was only twelve years later (in 2005) that the description would reemerge in Tom Sneddon&#8217;s declaration, but this time it would come in a totally amended version &#8211; now he would not talk of &#8220;the light splotch the color of his face&#8221;, but would cite some indefinite dark spot found at the &#8220;relatively same location&#8221;, never mentioning the circumcision issue at all.
This is what Tom Sneddon considered a &#8220;match&#8221;.
[h=3]Merry Christmas to all of you, guys![/h]

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

I hate the chandlers, i really really do! And all others that were in involed in this most obvious disgusting set up!

 

[jrsfan]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

I hate the chandlers, i really really do! And all others that were in involed in this most obvious disgusting set up!

Me too!!!


Here is a new vid from LunaJo67:



http://youtu.be/UIxU3cWkqW0

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

Very off topic, but nowhere else to comment and not worth starting new thread, but uk daily mail did an article a few days ago on corrie feldman (he's in a uk reality show for celebz learning to iceskate) and his apparent intention to write a 'tell-all' book on his life and how he intends to blow the lid on hollywood p*edophiles and how he will name the two abusers who molested him and his friend, the other corey. The article struck me as not once was mj's name mentioned - not even 'innocently' as being a close friend of feldmans, and it wasn't mentioned in the most popular comments either. I'm regarding it as progress.

 

[maral]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

^^he has already said MJ did NOTHING to him.......

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

^ Yep Feldman been said that MJ did nothing to him even way back in 93 which is on tape to cops during the 93 investigation and can be seen on youtube. Corey Haim also said MJ did nothing to him and thought MJ was a great guy. Even Haim Ex- girlfriend defended MJ in an interview after Haims death. This stupid reporter Maria Menounos from Access Hollywwod had the nerve to ask her if MJ molested Haim.

 

[jrsfan]

Very off topic, but nowhere else to comment and not worth starting new thread, but uk daily mail did an article a few days ago on corrie feldman (he's in a uk reality show for celebz learning to iceskate) and his apparent intention to write a 'tell-all' book on his life and how he intends to blow the lid on hollywood p*edophiles and how he will name the two abusers who molested him and his friend, the other corey. The article struck me as not once was mj's name mentioned - not even 'innocently' as being a close friend of feldmans, and it wasn't mentioned in the most popular comments either. I'm regarding it as progress.

There is this article about the book & him naming names of the molesters:
http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/juice/content/corey-feldman-says-hes-going-name-molesters-book

JANUARY 09, 2012 [h=2]Corey Feldman says he's going to name molesters in book[/h] Poor, forgotten Corey Feldman has said before that he had been molested as a child actor, but now he's getting serious. He says he's going to name names in a tell-all book. Well, two of them, anyway.
"When I was 14 and 15 things were happening to me. These older men were leching around like vultures," he told the U.K.'s Sun. "It was basically me laying there pretending I was asleep and them going about their business. I will write a book &#8212; I will put all the information forward."
He also noted that his dear friend, the late Corey Haim, was abused, as well. "There are people who have got away with it for so long they think they are above the law &#8212; that's got to stop," he said. Look for a Juice* book review whenever that one comes out.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

^ LOL at the pic of him and his MJ wanna be curl! SMDH

Anywayz, Feldman had already named atleast one of his alledged molesters during the MJ 93 police investigation and they didn't even care. They just went back to asking him about MJ even after he had already told them MJ did nothin to him. Sad cause if this really happen to Feldman the people investigating MJ (who was innocent) could have help Feldman get his REAL Molester(s). But, no MJ was famous and they wanted to make a name out of this B.S they could care less about real justice and real criminals out there. They preferred to go harrass MJ an innocent man! SICK!

 

[HIStory]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

It's good if Feldman will name molesters. You can only fight molesters if you name them.

I truly believe while the world and authorities were too focused on bringing down an innocent man (Michael), too many real pedophiles got away with it. Just look at this article from 1993: http://www.skeptically.org/onreligion/id10.html

[FONT=Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]A message left after business hours Monday at District Attorney Thomas Sneddon's office was not immediately returned. Lt. John Thayer, a police spokesman, said prosecutions of the priests were unlikely because of the statute of limitations, which is six years on child molestation cases in Califor*nia. [/FONT]

This was in November, 1993, while the MJ investigation was going on. I guess Sneddon was too busy with that instead of seriously do something about real pedophiles... I know he cited the statue of limitations and technically he may be right about that, however when it came to Michael he somehow managed to extend the statue of limitations. Interesting that he wasn't that zealous about real pedophiles.

 

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

Personally I will wait and see what Cory says in regards to the book. I don't trust many people at all when it comes to Michael Jackson, and especially regarding what happened to Michael in 1993 and 2003-2005. In my opinion, since Michael died, there have been alot of flip-flopping friends of his who defended him clear up until he passed away and then suddenly these same people come out with terrible stories about him. Judging by the things Cory has said in the past about this, I personally think that he has a way of being very vague regarding who he's talking about at the start. Wasn't there a time awhile ago when he was talking about something like this and some of the media started pushing the idea that he was talking about Michael? If I remember correctly, MJ fans got in an uproar and finally he released a statement saying that it was not about Michael.


Back on topic, I have always thought that there was something just not right about the 1993 case. Alot of people put Michael on the hot seat because of the settlement. But personally it never makes sense to me why it's okay with so many people that the Chandlers took that money considering the seriousness of their claims against Michael.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

^^That wd be the reality show of the two coreys that aired in 07/08.

^^he has already said MJ did NOTHING to him.......

Yes, but when did that stop the media? We are talking about the daily mail - they are notoriously anti-mj and despite them knowing the facts i'm v confident that pre 25 june, that article wd have contained mj;'s name in some kind of context so i'd like to regard it as progress. As kingofpop4ever3000's post above showed - it was only a few yrs ago that the two coreys discussion of being molested just led to the natural assumption they were talking about mj. The truth is slowly dawning - thanks in part to all the website info out there.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

Back on topic, I have always thought that there was something just not right about the 1993 case. Alot of people put Michael on the hot seat because of the settlement. But personally it never make sense to me why it's okay with so many people that the Chandler's took that money considering the seriousness of their claims against Michael. This is all just my opinion.

Very true many seem to forget that when their pointing the finger at MJ!

Also wanted to say that I don't trust Feldman much either. But, Feldman is doing some ice skating celeb reality show somewhere on this planet lol and reportedly he wants to dedicate a routine to MJ? So I really don't think he will dare to go there in his book if he is still trying to honor MJ in his way. He even claimed on Larry King Live he was trying to work out a way to get back in MJ good graces....wanting their friendship back before MJ passed. So it would be rather dumb if he says MJ touched him out of the blue on this book, no one will believe him. Except proably the usual useless and pointless haters...but, they don't matter!-_-

 

[la_cienega]

Back on topic, I have always thought that there was something just not right about the 1993 case. Alot of people put Michael on the hot seat because of the settlement. But personally it never make sense to me why it's okay with so many people that the Chandler's took that money considering the seriousness of their claims against Michael. This is all just my opinion.

People justify it because they believe Michael must have paid out millions to every other child.

They don't know that

1) his insurance paid out
2) Evan threatened Michael in private for months first so if Michael was paying off kids why wouldn't he have done it when it was quiet and before he had reported it? Either Michael was paying off everyone or the Chandler's were the first, they can't have it both ways.
3) It was the civil lawsuit that was settled out of court.
4) It was the criminal trial (so Michael risked prison) that the Chandler's refused to take Michael to court on, even dropping their lawyer when she said she wanted to do so. Michael requested this one be moved first but was refused. Thankfully the law is now changed so criminal trials will go first and the civil ones later, this is why the Arvizo's couldn't get money straight away and needed to go through the criminal trial.
5) Nobody has ever shown any proof at all MJ paid off anyone else, none, ever.


I don't like Corey Feldman after the way he flip flopped around with MJ in 2004-2005 saying that although MJ had never touched him he had once had a book about skin diseases on a table which included parts about STDs and Michael had talked him through some of them and that looking back he felt this was inappropriate to do with a young kid. I mean... ugh. Just pathetic. The way he was trying to get back at Mike was unforgivable, Mike was on trial for his life and he was being an attention whore, I think at the end of one interview he even mentioned that he needed work. Also, the reason they had a falling out after 2001 was because Corey said Michael had heard he was writing a book and Michael was upset about that, according to Corey anyway

But he did say this after Michael died:

Leave me alone! « The Feldman Journal

&#8220;Hi all,
The purpose for this blog is once again a bit out of the norm for me. I want to start off by saying this is in no way directed towards my regular readers and fans. This is not directed at the wonderful people who have been so caring, thoughtful, and understanding during this difficult time. This is directed at the awful journalists and bloggers who have been ripping me apart for the last several days since Michael&#8217;s memorial. I am fed up. I have had enough and I am asking you to give a little respect to those who have been in mourning. Since the memorial last week, there have been countless rumors, lies, and insults directed at me from multiple news sources. All over the internet there has been a free for all of personal attacks directed towards me. I have intentionally refused countless interviews in hopes of allowing the situation to blow over. Unfortunately that has not happened and I am continuously being ridiculed. So instead of doing whats politically correct and sitting quiet while my name gets drug through the mud, I am going to answer all of the ridiculous questions I shouldn&#8217;t have to answer. My hope is that maybe if you hear it in my own words , you might take a moment to think and stop hurting people with hateful words.
I am now going to list some of the untrue claims people have been making, and then give a brief answer or reply. Some of these are so outlandish that they are obvious lies but I feel I should address it all while I&#8217;m at it.
First off I have been slammed and ridiculed over my choice of clothing at Michael&#8217;s funeral. Fox news contacted us Wednesday morning with this message&#8230;&#8221;.Urgent News Inquiry&#8230;Did Corey wear that outfit to hurt anyone?&#8221; What? Are you serious? People are being killed at war and this is urgent news!!!! No No No!!! I did not wear an outfit to hurt anyone. I wore a jacket that I have owned for a couple of years and have worn to other events, my sunglasses are the same brand I have worn for years, and I wore the fedora as a tribute to Michael. In fact I was encouraged by a member of the family to wear the hat as that is what Michael may have wanted. I have many personal photos of Michael and I wearing matching fedoras. It was just part of being friends. I would raid his closets and try on his jackets and hats. Everyone did. There was nothing strange about honoring my friend in that way.
I have also read that it was an insult, or disrespectful to the family. This is another lie. At the memorial 80% of the audience were wearing something as a tribute whether a tshirt, hat, or sequined glove. I have always considered the Jacksons as extended family. I was at their Encino home until nearly 10 P.M. that evening. My wife and I brought our son to meet Katherine. Nobody in that family was worried about what I was wearing, they had much more important things on their mind. These are very shallow statements to make about people who are enduring much pain.
I have also read untrue statements attributed to me during his trial. Stating that I had said that he showed me porn magazines, or left them lying around his house. Again totally untrue&#8230;I never said that. I have also seen countless references to him molesting me or us having a sexual relationship. Let me be very clear 1 more time. Michael Jackson NEVER tried to touch me in an inappropriate way. Yes during the trial I expressed certain concerns, but that does not mean I believed the accusations. The bottom line is he was found innocent on all counts by a jury of his peers in the state of California, and I trust our justice system and respect the decisions made by it, and I have absolutely no evidence to the contrary and that story will NEVER change!
When photographed crying at the service it was written &#8221;he does not deserve to cry, he is a traitor&#8221; I do not feel I need to explain again the complexity of being friends with Michael, but I will try to explain that even if you have a fight with someone and then don&#8217;t speak for several years that does not mean that you want them to die. I loved Michael&#8230;.I was mad at him, I ignored invitations from him to move forward, and I have regrets, but that does not diminish the pain you feel when you lose a friend of 18 years. Not a traitor, not conveniently switching sides, just a friend who felt betrayed ,holding on to a grudge, and shocked by an untimely loss.
The LA times said I have had a &#8220;well publicised battles with drugs over the years&#8221; UNTRUE! Maybe you are confusing me with someone else&#8230;&#8230; 1 battle, 20 years ago. I fell into addiction at 16 years old. I was clean at 19 years old and have NEVER had any other battle with my own addictions since. Let it go people&#8230;that was 20 years ago. I have not even seen those drugs since. I would think someone overcoming addiction at such a young age and never returning would be recognised as a much better story than implying otherwise. If addicts were applauded for recovery, instead of terrorised for their disease some of the lost might be alive today&#8230;&#8230;.
The most absurd of all was a Hollywood gossip site claiming that I may actually be the father of Michael&#8217;s oldest son&#8230;&#8230;. I&#8217;m not even going to comment!!!
In the last week I have been called (loser,douchebag, zlister, gay, weird, freak, has been, money grubbing, drug addict, jerk,asshole, etc)&#8230;to name a few. Really people? I have spent the last year of my life creating an album and tour trying to help the environment. I am a husband and a father. I am an actor and a musician. My job is to entertain. I try to use that position to make positive change in the world. I still believe this world can get better. I believe in peace for all of Gods creatures. I believe if we work together we can reverse the effects of global warming. I also believe in forgiveness, and have learned to value every moment of the short life we have.
Does it strike anyone else as a sad statement of the human condition that society feels it has the right to assassinate good people because we disagree with their fashion choices? That is what this is all about isn&#8217;t it. I am not perfect. I am the first to admit that. But I do not feel I deserve this abuse. If a quarter of this press was focused on my attributions as opposed to tearing me down, you may have heard my last album or have watched my last film. But instead it&#8217;s so much easier to say &#8221;he hasn&#8217;t done anything in 20 years except dress like Michael Jackson&#8221;.
I would like to move on. I am currently in preproduction on 2 films and have a tour to plan. I also have a birthday this week and would like to put this negativity behind me and try to celebrate with my family. I humbly ask for your respect of our privacy. I do not want to address this issue again. I hope I have cleared up these very important topics.
To the rest of you who are here regularly I will be back next week with my regular cheery, positive blog. Until then&#8230;.
PEACE LOVE HAPINESS TRUTH
COREY
http://coreyfeldman.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/leave-me-alone/

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Did Jordan Chandler admit that MJ did not mlest him

^Thx for that. Feldman said many times in so many ways that MJ never touched him. So that's good and will def bite him in the arse if he says any different in that book. But, I doubt he will. Although I do believe he will mention MJ for sure in some way.

Also, at the same time in that blog of his it's ironic that he doesn't like people talkin ish about him and it clearly bothers him. Yet, what did he do to MJ during the worst possible time in is life? He goes on Bashit and implies weird behavior on MJ's part cause of a medical mag MJ allegedly showed him cause he asked MJ about it. SMFH I bet this if anything will be the part mention in the book which will still be wrong to do if he implies ish again with MJ behavior? Here's hopeing not!

 

[jrsfan]

It's good if Feldman will name molesters. You can only fight molesters if you name them.

I truly believe while the world and authorities were too focused on bringing down an innocent man (Michael), too many real pedophiles got away with it. Just look at this article from 1993: http://www.skeptically.org/onreligion/id10.html



This was in November, 1993, while the MJ investigation was going on. I guess Sneddon was too busy with that instead of seriously do something about real pedophiles... I know he cited the statue of limitations and technically he may be right about that, however when it came to Michael he somehow managed to extend the statue of limitations. Interesting that he wasn't that zealous about real pedophiles.

He is starting to name them- I think he is safer that way too, I don't want him to be a victim of some strange Hollywood death:

“Ex-child star Corey Feldman unpacks: Sexual abuse is the norm in Hollywood, he said. After the death of his friend, Corey Haim, he now wants to come out two perpetrators.


Corey Feldman was in films like "The Goonies," "Stand By Me" and "The lost boys" in the 80s to the child star and an icon. But instead of fame and glamor, he now reports of sexual abuse at the film's sets. The "Dancing On Ice 'star says he fell during his time as a young actor to the abuse of many Hollywood moguls high prey. He now wants to publish the names of two offenders in a book and take legal action against them, as dailymail.co.uk. been reported.


Power protection against crime


As the 40-year-old Canadian told the men had fallen on him like vultures, when he was 14 years old. "I lay there motionless while they did their work on me." How many child stars, he fell to the drugs. He felt exploited by Hollywood. He and his friend Corey Haim play are then branded as scapegoats and their image with statements such as "drug addicts" and "Has-beens" have been destroyed.


Because he is Hollywood's complicity in Corey's death and because he is the abuse fell due to drug addiction, he had decided to recount the ravisher: "I stood up and said that there is a larger problem that I have lost Corey and that I do not even want to see more kids that are lost to these perverts. "He speaks of a large group of pedophiles who in Hollywood would have very much power. With offers of money and they attract parents and children themselves.


Already, another former child actor who wants to remain anonymous, has expressed to Feldman's confessions on the subject. He claims to have been abused sexually by talent manager Martin Weiss. While Feldman was not abused by White, he also helps the police regarding this investigation. Feldman is aware of the danger to which he exposes himself and his family with the naming the perpetrators. But after the death of his pals he wants to protect his own son.


Was, is and will always be a problem


According to Feldman, the problem is pervasive and it is by far not the first who told of sexual abuse in the dream factory. Mary McDonough, in the series "The Waltons" occurred when Erin suffered Abused by sexual and reported: "There was a staff team of the film, I had to kiss every day when I was 11." As criticomblog.wordpress.com been reported. Nick Carter shares the same fate. He is alleged to have been abused by his former manager Lou Pearlman Backstreet Boys. He himself is silent on how news.de reported.” – Source, in German, http://www.20min.ch/people/internati...rall--20123837

 

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One thing that i really hate is when someone like Gene Simmons comes out and says that Michael was guilty and people praise him for it saying that he was incredibly brave to say that. That is complete Bull s**t! The people who call Michael guilty are not brave at all. They are just jumping on the tabloid bandwaggon.

It's more brave to come out and say that Michael is innocent, beause people who defend Micheal's innocence have been laughed at, ignored and have been called deluded Michael Jackson fans

 

[HIStory]

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One thing that i really hate is when someone like Gene Simmons comes out and says that Michael was guilty and people praise him for it saying that he was incredibly brave to say that. That is complete Bull s**t! The people who call Michael guilty are not brave at all. They are just jumping on the tabloid bandwaggon.

It's more brave to come out and say that Michael is innocent, beause people who defend Micheal's innocence have been laughed at, ignored and have been called deluded Michael Jackson fans

Yeah, I agree. It's like saying it's a brave thing to be a bully. All these people, and the media are nothing but bullies. Bullies are not just kids on the schoolyard. It was an adult society that found pleasure in bullying Michael. How can these adults tell their kids bullying is wrong when they do the same, only not on a schoolyard but in and with the media?

It's a similar phenomenon when people say how they are fed up with that MJ got praised after his death and how the media forgot about all the bad things "he did" and that "he was a child molester" and how the media sweeps that "aspect of his life" under the carpet bla-bla-bla. Excuse me, but (apart from their obvious ignorance about the allegations against Michael) where were these people in the past 18 years or so when they suggest the media were pro-Michael? I even read claims the media were too pro-Michael during the trial! Really? I mean REALLY? Are you talking about the media which reported all the salacious claims of prosecution witnesses on their direct examination but somehow failed to report their cross-examinations where they all crumbled one by one? And they did this very intentionally! Are you talking about the media which all during the trial made and aired "documentaries" such as Bashir's "Michael Jackson's secret world" or the one Victor Gutierrez helped to produce for NBC and the like? Are they talking about the media which hired people like Victor Gurierrez as an "expert" on MJ?

So the media were pro-Michael? That's what I call revisionism!

 

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Thanks a lot for that Feldman info, it's interesting about this Martin Weiss guy.

http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2011/12/martin_weiss_talent_agent_child_actor_molestation.php

It'll be interesting to see his case unfold, if more victims come out, etc

It reminds me of Tatum O'Neal's book - she speaks about many older guys who would hit on her, including her first sexual experience at the age of 13 on a movie set with a male crew member, Polanski showing her an X-rated Japanese movie, etc But nobody's interested in that. Or Aaron the shithead Carter saying he was drinking and using drugs aged 10, obviously he wasn't doing this hidden away, I'd imagine people in his own team were giving him this 10 year old these things. But nobody cares because it's not Michael Jackson.

One thing that i really hate is when someone like Gene Simmons comes out and says that Michael was guilty and people praise him for it saying that he was incredibly brave to say that. That is complete Bull s**t! The people who call Michael guilty are not brave at all. They are just jumping on the tabloid bandwaggon.

It's more brave to come out and say that Michael is innocent, beause people who defend Micheal's innocence have been laughed at, ignored and have been called deluded Michael Jackson fans

It's because they can't understand that people aren't speaking out about MJ's abuse, not out of fear or cowardice, but because there is nothing to say.

Gene Simmons comments were factually untrue even on a cursory level - he said MJ was on tape ordering alcohol for children, factually untrue. Payoffs to Brazilian kids - this is in reference to the Schaffel case, again proven to be untrue. He said a musician quit because of seeing boys going into MJ's hotel rooms, untrue.

 

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One thing that i really hate is when someone like Gene Simmons comes out and says that Michael was guilty and people praise him for it saying that he was incredibly brave to say that.

Who is Gene Simmons again?

 

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Who is Gene Simmons again?

One of the memembers from the band Kiss

 

[Severus Snape]

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One of the memembers from the band Kiss

I know, I was just being an a--hole and accentuating the fact that neither him nor KISS are relevant any longer.

 

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It's a similar phenomenon when people say how they are fed up with that MJ got praised after his death and how the media forgot about all the bad things "he did" and that "he was a child molester" and how the media sweeps that "aspect of his life" under the carpet bla-bla-bla. Excuse me, but (apart from their obvious ignorance about the allegations against Michael) where were these people in the past 18 years or so when they suggest the media were pro-Michael? I even read claims the media were too pro-Michael during the trial! Really? I mean REALLY?

Yes, unbelievable. I think maureen orth was interviewed on a news programme on the 25/6th and claimed mj was a failure as a human being and i'm sure ddimond was all over the airways giving her warped angle. The us had peter king, the new york senator/congressman(?) breaking ranks in the media to start raking mj over the coals again for the trial, it was just a matter of days after 25 june, before the memorial. I saw a youtube where he was interviewed by O'Reilly on fox, and it was o'reilly who was forced 'to play devil's advocate' and say, actually mj was acquitted on all charges. King was momentarily stopped in his tracks but rallied to say, well mj m*lested their personalities or something equally nonsensical. As for the media being pro-mj during the trial - that must be a joke. Didn't one news anchor just come out and say once the not guilty verdicts came in, well this story is now not interesting.

What i do think ordinary people might have a tendency to think is that super rich celebs like mj are so rich and powerful that they can buy justice or protection. What i don't think they appreciate is what a false notion it is applied to mj who was such a vulnarable target. Not only did he have the media with their bottomless pockets and massive influence gunning for him but also the gov authorities in the form of the santa barbara's DA office. No individual could survive such a twin-pronged attack, especially as they were in collusion with each other, unless they were 100%innocent. Their goal was to destroy mj - his reputation/finances - at any cost. No wonder mj felt paranoid, it must have been terrifying to be the subject of such a witch hunt.

 

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What i do think ordinary people might have a tendency to think is that super rich celebs like mj are so rich and powerful that they can buy justice or protection. What i don't think they appreciate is what a false notion it is applied to mj who was such a vulnarable target. Not only did he have the media with their bottomless pockets and massive influence gunning for him but also the gov authorities in the form of the santa barbara's DA office. No individual could survive such a twin-pronged attack, especially as they were in collusion with each other, unless they were 100%innocent. Their goal was to destroy mj - his reputation/finances - at any cost. No wonder mj felt paranoid, it must have been terrifying to be the subject of such a witch hunt.

My experience is that people are generally lazy to think but quick to judge. They want easy answers instead of having to go through documents, learn the details of a case, work and then make an INFORMED conclusion. Of course, not everybody has to be interested in Michael and his trial but if they are interested enough to comment then they should make efforts to learn the subject that they are talking about. I often see that people who judge him don't even know the basic facts - not even what he was accused of exactly (when people call him a "rapist" for example - when he wasn't even accused of rape!)

So people usually want quick, ready-made answers and the media delivers it for them, appealing to emotions rather than intellect. They know they have the power over the masses, because most people don't think, don't research etc. In my opinion there's even a bigger moral of Michael's story and that is how we all live in a kind of "matrix", a kind of virtual reality - only it's not generated by computers like in the movie, but by the media. Michael's example is a good example of how they can build up a whole "alternative universe" around someone that has nothing to do with reality and make most people accept that as the truth. If they could do this about Michael, what else they are doing it about - in politics, economics etc...?