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Dr Tohme Tohme, AEG and Colony Captial(who co-own Neverland)

CherubimII said:
Aside: I didn't post the source because it is unreliable;
but I think the following information is true.:






It was Tohme, who previously “worked with” Colony Capital, who now acted as Jackson’s ‘adviser’ and who also escorted Jackson to the meeting where Jackson agreed to an initial 10 concerts with AEG and Colony Capital as promoters. It was Thome’s business partner who threatened the auction house who was set to auction off the very same memorabilia which will be undoubtedly be used in a Michael Jackson museum, which chances are, could be Neverland. It is Colony Capital who owns Neverland and who would benefit from a Jackson museum or shrine.

What we do know is that he has been publicly promoting in the press “his desire” to see a Michael Jackson museum at Neverland both before and after Jackson’s death. And that, prior to Jackson’s death, as well as after, Tohme promoted the allusion that Jackson was “healthy”.
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reading this, i can't help but wonder about Jermaine Jackson. it was bad enough that he was the one who brought Tohme to Michael, but he's also the only one in the family insisting on a Neverland burial and who knows what else afterwards?
 
mischief said:
I reckon so. I'm wondering if they're relatives?

I've found a relative of Barracks - Paul Orfalea (Kinko's/Fed-ex fame?) .Seems like a nice chap him however... so far anyway. Another cousin - Lance Helfert... but I haven't started looking at that one yet.

I'm not so convinced that it was Jermaine who "found" Tohme. Some stories I've read alleged that Tohme dabbled with Grace before Jermaine dabbled with Grace... and it was Tohme who introduced Grace into the mix right at the start.
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Oh interesting about Grace, that rings true. I am a little suspicious of her becaue of other connections she has
 
Was I the only one watching Geraldo this weekend when he had this black woman on there.... I think she was some sort o spiritual advisor to Michael.

Well, Geraldo played a recording of her conversation with Michael where Mike was telling her that Thome had taken over his entire finances as well as his accountants. Did yall see that. And she kept telling him that this was not good. And Mike kept saying, 'I know....this is why I'm calling you".

I, personally, don't understand how Michael could let someone like this come into his life and take over his money like this. And the bad part is his own brother introduced him to this guy. But obviously Michael was able to do something about it, because Thome was eventually fired.
 
My own theory is that Thome payed or pressured Murray to murder Michael.

1st motive: Money. Thome has probably taken a lot more from MJ then those 5 mil he gave back to the estate. And by killing him so soon after Thome was fired Thome probably thought he could continue possing as his manager and make money of his legacy (esp. Neverland).

2st motive: Revenge. Thome clearly is a man with a temper and a controlling nature. Promising "bloodshed" to anyone not doing as told. Has he been threathening Michael in the same way? Michael was an object to him, and when MJ rejected him from his life Thome reacted with anger and simply killed him, because felt he had the right to do that.

So far I cant recall any direct link between Thome and Murray, but I expect it to show up.
 
Gif9gud said:
My own theory is that Thome payed or pressured Murray to murder Michael.

1st motive: Money. Thome has probably taken a lot more from MJ then those 5 mil he gave back to the estate. And by killing him so soon after Thome was fired Thome probably thought he could continue possing as his manager and make money of his legacy (esp. Neverland).

2st motive: Revenge. Thome clearly is a man with a temper and a controlling nature. Promising "bloodshed" to anyone not doing as told. Has he been threathening Michael in the same way? Michael was an object to him, and when MJ rejected him from his life Thome reacted with anger and simply killed him, because felt he had the right to do that.

So far I cant recall any direct link between Thome and Murray, but I expect it to show up.
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For this, we have to be very analytical. We need to FIND the connections between and among people and corporations. I think Michael was "an object" to a lot of people. (I'm not going there at the moment. . always makes me cry to think of it. . . ) I think this goes far beyond Murray. He was just a pawn. If Tohme was involved, it was very "behind-the-scenes." He's an invisible man on the internet. I doubt it was "revenge." He seemed MEAN, in general, but the bottom-line here will be the money. But I do see what you mean. In looking at those photos, I think he HURT Michael, physically. Michael's arm must have been bruised, more than once. I cry to think of it. . . . . truly. . . . . .

We need to FIND (before that material is taken off the internet or obscured):

1. What are the connections between AEG and Sony? There are a lot of them.

2. What are the connections between CEOs of AEG and Sony? Who are they? What do they have in common and how can they profit from Michael's death?

3. What are the connections, if any, between Frank Dileo and Tohme? Frank and Randy Phillips? (WHO is paying Frank now, and for what?) Frank and Sony? Frank and John Branca? I don't have any sense about Branca one way or another, but I trust NO ONE. He was the one who miraculously produced Michael's will. . that will that named Branca as executor. The will seems fishy to me. (I highly doubt Michael would have named Diana Ross as second-guardian for his children. They didn't even know her! Michael was a good father. I would think he would have a more recent update of his will!) Is Frank or is he not on the ATV Board? What connections can be found among all these people and Colony Capital, and Sony?

I read that it was Frank who literally asked John Branca to return to the "inner-circle." That was about a month before Michael died. Fans have said that Michael had been in decline for six-weeks to a month before he died. Might be random. Might not be. I trust NO ONE, where Michael is concerned.

I also read somewhere that Michael Amin said that the staff had all been sent away that morning. Let's try to find out if this is true? If true, then Kai Chase is totally lying, and this was a planned event.

I think this is not about one person, but many. All had motive. That motive was money. People can be bought off. I trust NO ONE. That's why I say look also at body language and behavior. Of those around Michael, Debbie Rowe has behaved respectfully and seems to genuinely care about Michael. LaToya was assertive, in claiming that Michael was murdered. Janet has been quiet and respectful, as have the brothers. Except for Jermaine. Jermaine has already tried to profit, in MANY ways. His version of "Cry" will be for sale on I-Tunes. He pushed for Michael to be buried at Neverland. (Jermaine has a connection with Tohme and Colony Capital.) Jermaine has burst forth with a Tribute show, and plugged it widely on tv. Too soon, IMHO. (There is a photo somewhere of Jerm with a new Bentley. Can anyone find that?) So of these people, only Jerm seems to have a connection with Tohme. I'm not saying that Jerm had anything to do with Michael's murder. Just that he's an. . . . . opportunist.

So, look for the connections, people!
 
it's pretty obvious that Thome is a shady figure and he tried to use Michael but whatever it is he tried to do he already got away with it. I'm not sure about the murder theory though, it just seems so stretched I'm not saying it's not possible but there's no proof of that yet
but one thing's for sure - Michael has been used and abused by virtually everybody in his life and now he payed the ultimate price for being surrounded by incompetents and greedy characters, his death didn't just happen, it's something he was led to
 
I feel bad that Michael partnered with Sony for his music catalogs. That is what they wanted and they wanted his albums to fail so that he would fall into debt and they could make it so that he was in debt to them and sell off his catalog to them. How much of the catalog does Michael own now? I've heard 25 percent and 50 percent. Not sure what percent is accurate.

I wonder what the contract for the music catalog stated. Was there also a statement suggesting that if Michael was ever arrested for crimes that the catalog would go to Sony?

Evan Chandler, the father of the first accuser. He ended up getting the movie he wrote on the screen very close to the allegations. Robin Hood Men in Tights. Also tried to sue again in 1996 for 60 million claiming Michael broke their contract by proclaiming his innocence and the song "they don't really care about us" Evan claimed was about him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lVUvOLdg50



Tom Sneddon is someone who gets thrills from abusing their power.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=64536
 
Victoria83 said:
For this, we have to be very analytical. We need to FIND the connections between and among people and corporations. I think Michael was "an object" to a lot of people. (I'm not going there at the moment. . always makes me cry to think of it. . . ) I think this goes far beyond Murray. He was just a pawn. If Tohme was involved, it was very "behind-the-scenes." He's an invisible man on the internet. I doubt it was "revenge." He seemed MEAN, in general, but the bottom-line here will be the money. But I do see what you mean. In looking at those photos, I think he HURT Michael, physically. Michael's arm must have been bruised, more than once. I cry to think of it. . . . . truly. . . . . .

We need to FIND (before that material is taken off the internet or obscured):

1. What are the connections between AEG and Sony? There are a lot of them.

2. What are the connections between CEOs of AEG and Sony? Who are they? What do they have in common and how can they profit from Michael's death?

3. What are the connections, if any, between Frank Dileo and Tohme? Frank and Randy Phillips? (WHO is paying Frank now, and for what?) Frank and Sony? Frank and John Branca? I don't have any sense about Branca one way or another, but I trust NO ONE. He was the one who miraculously produced Michael's will. . that will that named Branca as executor. The will seems fishy to me. (I highly doubt Michael would have named Diana Ross as second-guardian for his children. They didn't even know her! Michael was a good father. I would think he would have a more recent update of his will!) Is Frank or is he not on the ATV Board? What connections can be found among all these people and Colony Capital, and Sony?

I read that it was Frank who literally asked John Branca to return to the "inner-circle." That was about a month before Michael died. Fans have said that Michael had been in decline for six-weeks to a month before he died. Might be random. Might not be. I trust NO ONE, where Michael is concerned.

I also read somewhere that Michael Amin said that the staff had all been sent away that morning. Let's try to find out if this is true? If true, then Kai Chase is totally lying, and this was a planned event.

I think this is not about one person, but many. All had motive. That motive was money. People can be bought off. I trust NO ONE. That's why I say look also at body language and behavior. Of those around Michael, Debbie Rowe has behaved respectfully and seems to genuinely care about Michael. LaToya was assertive, in claiming that Michael was murdered. Janet has been quiet and respectful, as have the brothers. Except for Jermaine. Jermaine has already tried to profit, in MANY ways. His version of "Cry" will be for sale on I-Tunes. He pushed for Michael to be buried at Neverland. (Jermaine has a connection with Tohme and Colony Capital.) Jermaine has burst forth with a Tribute show, and plugged it widely on tv. Too soon, IMHO. (There is a photo somewhere of Jerm with a new Bentley. Can anyone find that?) So of these people, only Jerm seems to have a connection with Tohme. I'm not saying that Jerm had anything to do with Michael's murder. Just that he's an. . . . . opportunist.

So, look for the connections, people!
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I like how you think. I think this is exactly what we should be doing.


Kizmic said:
I feel bad that Michael partnered with Sony for his music catalogs. That is what they wanted and they wanted his albums to fail so that he would fall into debt and they could make it so that he was in debt to them and sell off his catalog to them. How much of the catalog does Michael own now? I've heard 25 percent and 50 percent. Not sure what percent is accurate.

I wonder what the contract for the music catalog stated. Was there also a statement suggesting that if Michael was ever arrested for crimes that the catalog would go to Sony?

Evan Chandler, the father of the first accuser. He ended up getting the movie he wrote on the screen very close to the allegations. Robin Hood Men in Tights. Also tried to sue again in 1996 for 60 million claiming Michael broke their contract by proclaiming his innocence and the song "they don't really care about us" Evan claimed was about him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lVUvOLdg50



Tom Sneddon is someone who gets thrills from abusing their power.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?noframes;read=64536
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Yeah, you have to wonder if him holding on to the catalogs was really worth it in the end.
 
I quickly read the comments. I'm glad that people are opening their minds. People were in bad about Michael. There is something much bigger than we imagine. There are many people involved. For me, it really was a big conspiracy against Michael. Hmmmm, I can not talk too much... I am revealing some of my thoughts. Well, I will continue observing and analyzing all the facts.
 
Victoria83 said:
For this, we have to be very analytical. We need to FIND the connections between and among people and corporations. I think Michael was "an object" to a lot of people. (I'm not going there at the moment. . always makes me cry to think of it. . . ) I think this goes far beyond Murray. He was just a pawn. If Tohme was involved, it was very "behind-the-scenes." He's an invisible man on the internet. I doubt it was "revenge." He seemed MEAN, in general, but the bottom-line here will be the money. But I do see what you mean. In looking at those photos, I think he HURT Michael, physically. Michael's arm must have been bruised, more than once. I cry to think of it. . . . . truly. . . . . .

We need to FIND (before that material is taken off the internet or obscured):

1. What are the connections between AEG and Sony? There are a lot of them.

2. What are the connections between CEOs of AEG and Sony? Who are they? What do they have in common and how can they profit from Michael's death?
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Here's something to look into maybe

Colony/Sony/Live Nation

Starwood Hotels are in partnership with Sony Music
Starwood Hotels is owned by Colony.

Starwood Hotels is the official hotel partner for Live Nation.



AEG/Sony/Live Nation

Live Nation is AEG's main rival. There has been a war of words between the two for a while particularly over the proposed Live Nation/Ticketmaster merger. The merger is also political, demands for an enquiry have been made.

AEG sold the TII movie rights to Sony.

Google the names Anschwitz and Bandier and the two husband/wife couples mingle at an awful amount of functions ...that's pretty incidental yes, but throwing it in all the same.



Anschutz/Colony

A common link is CASINO'S - both own them. I've already mentioned Colony's Casino links in a previous post. Anschutz has shady history there too - re the O2/dome and John Prescott.



Alwaleed/Colony/Anschutz

Alaweed is Lebanese. Tom Barrack is of Lebanese descent. Tohme is Lebanese.

Is in partnership with Colony - Raffles hotel and that hotel group.
He has a long history with Michael - the two were looking to do a "family values" project.
Anschutz promotes "family values" in a multitude of ways (including donations to Colorado Family Values)
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
interesting Mischief, once again thanks for your investigating - you are a great help :)
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I think I'm developing a compulsive obsessive Googling disorder :)

I think it might be an idea for a few volunteers to each take one "target" as a specialist subject from a Sony/Barrack/AEG etc etc list and see what we throw up on them - break it right down then see what common links exist between them all from that.
 
Susan Etok has a blog on wordpress. Her latest entry states that Randy Phillips of AEG and Dr. Tohme Tohme are related by marriage, because Tohme's ex wife is Randy Phillips' sister. I don't know if she's correct, and I don't know what to make of it, just throwing it out there.
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Comment on a TMZ story, interesting, ain't it?

I know the woman's credibility is questionable, but it looks like in this case she got her info from the net.


According to records from ancestry.com - the world’s largest family history website - Dr Tohme and AEG Live bos Randy Phillips were related by marriage back in the 1970’s.

Dr Tohme Ramez Tohme (d.o.b. 1949) married Janet Phillips (d.o.b. 1953) on 29th January 1972 in Sacremento, California. The pair subsequently divorced in May 1976 in Sacremento, California.

Marriage - State file: 7307; Reg no: 289

Divorce – State file: 664652; Dissolution case no: 716055

It has been confirmed by an insider that Dr Janet Phillips, now a Clinical Psychologist working at a practice in Torrance, is indeed Randy Phillips’s sister.

Does this provide a link between the “mysterious” Dr Tohme and AEG Live boss Randy Phillips? Did AEG live play any part in manipulating and isolating MJ? Was Dr Tohme on AEG lives payroll? The plot thickens…….
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From her blog http://susanetok.wordpress.com/

Seems to me "dr" Tohme, if that is indeed his real name and the relation to Phillips proves right, was/is quite a 'lady's man'. First Jermaine's wife (has that been really confirmed???) and now this????? I am really lost for words, since I don't particularly understand what could all of those women see in him, but that's beyond the point.
 
Mischief, those are GREAT finds!

I think "giving assignments" is a good idea. Can you construct a list of names (Dileo, Tohme, Barrack, etc.) and also a list of corporations? We can each focus on one or two, to be efficient?
 
It is all a woven tangled web. Michael had this web or deceipt surrounding him all the time. It became worst as they years went by until he couldnt get out..And they Killed him..All of them..I strongly believe that..
Who are going to benifit from all this?
The children better start thinking of a career as they will be robbed of their heritage in the near future.
Like Michael said 'do not trust anyone'
 
MysteriousPhoenix said:
I like how you think. I think this is exactly what we should be doing.

Yeah, you have to wonder if him holding on to the catalogs was really worth it in the end.
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Thanks. I'm a researcher by profession, among other things.

I think now that Michael's holding onto the catalogs is what, eventually, led to his death. None of us can prove it. . . yet. It might also have been the behind-the-scenes motive for the Arvizo's allegations. This is probably very, very twisted and not what it seems on the surface.

Was holding onto the catalogs WORTH it? Obviously not, if it cost him his life . . . . but yet, Michael should have had the same freedom as anyone else to have a successful business-venture. I KNOW that racism enters into this, too.

If we are right, what we are doing is DANGEROUS. That's why there is safety in numbers. This is a GROUP project.
 
Victoria83 said:
Thanks. I'm a researcher by profession, among other things.

I think now that Michael's holding onto the catalogs is what, eventually, led to his death. None of us can prove it. . . yet. It might also have been the behind-the-scenes motive for the Arvizo's allegations. This is probably very, very twisted and not what it seems on the surface.

Was holding onto the catalogs WORTH it? Obviously not, if it cost him his life . . . . but yet, Michael should have had the same freedom as anyone else to have a successful business-venture. I KNOW that racism enters into this, too.

If we are right, what we are doing is DANGEROUS. That's why there is safety in numbers. This is a GROUP project.
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I admit to starting to feel increasingly uncomfortable. There's so much and so many that are questionable yet the press isn't going near it and I don't believe its because they haven't thought to look into it or haven't looked into it, I'm sure SOME have. They just aren't reporting it and seem to be leaving certain subjects or people well alone.
 
Victoria83,

Can you come to the thread Power in Numbers? I would like to ask you something.

Thanks.
 
Shabuya said:
Comment on a TMZ story, interesting, ain't it?

I know the woman's credibility is questionable, but it looks like in this case she got her info from the net.




From her blog http://susanetok.wordpress.com/

Seems to me "dr" Tohme, if that is indeed his real name and the relation to Phillips proves right, was/is quite a 'lady's man'. First Jermaine's wife (has that been really confirmed???) and now this????? I am really lost for words, since I don't particularly understand what could all of those women see in him, but that's beyond the point.
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Wow! This is a brilliant find. I see on Google that Ancestry.com page is obviously taking a big number of hits considering its ranking in the first few searches :)

The comments on Susan's page are interesting - one is certainly a threat. If thats not just someone on a wind up its someone whose cage has certainly been rattled by that information coming out.
 
mischief said:
I admit to starting to feel increasingly uncomfortable. There's so much and so many that are questionable yet the press isn't going near it and I don't believe its because they haven't thought to look into it or haven't looked into it, I'm sure SOME have. They just aren't reporting it and seem to be leaving certain subjects or people well alone.
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I have thought of this too, there are a lot of powerful people involved.

But we got God, Mike, each other and the truth on our side.

We protect each other!!!
 
To many connections just to be ignored. They are controlling the investigations. I am quite sure..
Yes they are the media.
I do not think the LAPD is capable of doing anything they are weak and broke..
WHat is suprising in all these finds is that Bashir brother wotked for Mottola. I think he had a lot to do with the editing of that documentary.
I also read somewhere it was Chopra who introduced Grace to Michael. He called her is daughter? huh! that Leech!!
I am still looking for Chopra's email to tell him what I think..If anyone knows it can I please have it..
 
parli123 said:
To many connections just to be ignored. They are controlling the investigations. I am quite sure..
Yes they are the media.
I do not think the LAPD is capable of doing anything they are weak and broke..
WHat is suprising in all these finds is that Bashir brother wotked for Mottola. I think he had a lot to do with the editing of that documentary.
I also read somewhere it was Chopra who introduced Grace to Michael. He called her is daughter? huh! that Leech!!
I am still looking for Chopra's email to tell him what I think..If anyone knows it can I please have it..
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You can send a twitter to Deepak he is on there.

I think the fact that the Chopra's were not at the funeral yesterday despite speaking so much about Michael... speaks volumes.
 
afrika said:
What media?

They are the media and all in this together.
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well they are the entertainment business but they provide so much for the media that is why they are too scared to touch on it... the media is like a big evil monster IMO it stands for the devil, has no morals and can be used to illustrate how mad the world is... they have the last laugh though as they manage to control so much of what the public think without a lot of the sheep realising it.... people don't question things enough or use their brains enough these days... its scary. Some believe the world is more free and liberal than ever before but they don't realise the media controls what is said and believed in, in a covert way.
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
well they are the entertainment business but they provide so much for the media that is why they are too scared to touch on it... the media is like a big evil monster IMO it stands for the devil, has no morals and can be used to illustrate how mad the world is... they have the last laugh though as they manage to control so much of what the public think without a lot of the sheep realising it.... people don't question things enough or use their brains enough these days... its scary. Some believe the world is more free and liberal than ever before but they don't realise the media controls what is said and believed in, in a covert way.
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you are right. And people went along with this stupidity. Why can't they see? it is very sad.

I can't believe it Mj is no longer with us. we'll never get justice.

By the way i am so tired of Deepak. I think, he's evil.
 
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