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Jackson Family Civil Suit?

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Can the Jackson family take him to civil court the way OJ Simpson was taken to by the family that he savagely murdered ??

And when?? If Murrays found not guilty only???
 
afterwards ok... but even if the trial closes & hes found guilty then whats the point? ya?
 
if murray is found guilty then if they file a civil suit i believe its a case of they win the civil case by default because murray has already been found guilty in a court where theres a higher thresh hold to prove guilt. so i dont think they bother having another trial (civil one) the oint of doing it after hes found guilty is to get money.

if the family try and file one b4 the crim case is over the D.A will prob stop it from proceeding as it can hurt the crim case
 
they can file a wrongful death suit regardless of the outcome of the criminal trial. (even if he is found not guilty)

however a guilty verdict makes the family wrongful death suit much more easier - as the guilt is already established in the criminal case the only thing left is to determine the damages.

and that's why mostly people wait for the criminal trial to end before filing wrongful death suit.

The other day there was some discussion about a wrongful death suit in MJ's case among some of my friends. Now what happens in a wrongful death suit is that you ask for damages in other words you ask for money. And these damages can be determined on financial and emotional basis.

For example if a person was earning some salary and supporting their family and then there's a wrongful death suit, the court awards this salary amount as it is a lost income as a financial damage. In MJ's case however as he is earning more money in death than alive there would not be necessarily any financial damages.

The only thing left is the emotional damages - meaning how the loss of him makes his children feel sad etc - and this is an arbitrary thing.


sometimes families just want responsible people to be found guilty in wrongful death suits (like a way of closure) and do not care about the money (or cannot show financial damages etc), in that cases courts still can find a person guilty of wrongful death and award the family $1 in damages.
 
sorry if this is a stupid question, what would happen if there's a plea bargain and no trial ?

I suppose Murray would still be found guilty (of a lesser charge), so Katherine or the kids could still file a wrongful death lawsuit. If there is no criminal trial, would a wrongful death lawsuit help them find out more about what happened ?
 
bouee said:
sorry if this is a stupid question, what would happen if there's a plea bargain and no trial ?

I suppose Murray would still be found guilty (of a lesser charge), so Katherine or the kids could still file a wrongful death lawsuit. If there is no criminal trial, would a wrongful death lawsuit help them find out more about what happened ?
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Not really. It did not do that for OJ and it will not be the same for Murray. For the OJ civil suite, all they really did was present the same evident that was allow in the state's case.

When you are sue, the defendant is the one who has to prove their innocents instead of the state proven their guilt. That is why it is easier for people to settle out of court instead of going to trial, even if the case have no bases. So, you need alot less evident to convict someone in a suite over an actually trial. Which is why OJ was found guilty in civil court although he was innocent by the state.

So, even if the family sue, they would most likely will not get any new information that they already had gotten from a state trial. Also, Murray would just have to file for bankrupting if he lose and the Jacksons will not get a penny. Which is why people only really use civil cases if the person in question is found innocent in a court of law. Very few actually sue if they are found guilty because the extra trial is unnecessary.
 
Ramona122003 said:
Not really. It did not do that for OJ and it will not be the same for Murray. For the OJ civil suite, all they really did was present the same evident that was allow in the state's case.

When you are sue, the defendant is the one who has to prove their innocents instead of the state proven their guilt. That is why it is easier for people to settle out of court instead of going to trial, even if the case have no bases. So, you need alot less evident to convict someone in a suite over an actually trial. Which is why OJ was found guilty in civil court although he was innocent by the state.

So, even if the family sue, they would most likely will not get any new information that they already had gotten from a state trial. Also, Murray would just have to file for bankrupting if he lose and the Jacksons will not get a penny. Which is why people only really use civil cases if the person in question is found innocent in a court of law. Very few actually sue if they are found guilty because the extra trial is unnecessary.
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I don't think that's true. The Jacksons will find more out by suing for wrongful death because Murray will have to testify as OJ did, especially if he does a plea deal & there is no trial. Other people will have to testify too. The rules of evidence are not as strict, so they will be able to bring in more evidence than in a criminal trial. There was new evidence uncovered in the Simpson case too - the Bruno Magli shoes.

They can be awarded for future earnings from any book deals or tours he may get even after a prison sentence. If he has malpractice insurance, the insurance company can pay. I think the closure alone from achieving justice will be well worth it. Money is not the issue for families, look at the Browns & Goldman families - they really never got any money. Money is just how are system awards justice, money never brings back a loved one, financial settlements can force companies to change for the better so other people will not have to suffer in the future.

The family will need to have justice, more so than most families as they will feel MJ never got justice in life. IMO.

Guilt in a civil suit is much less than a criminal trial - it is just a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt - a much lower burden of proof. It would be a slam dunk for the Jacksons to win.
 
bouee said:
sorry if this is a stupid question, what would happen if there's a plea bargain and no trial ?

I suppose Murray would still be found guilty (of a lesser charge), so Katherine or the kids could still file a wrongful death lawsuit. If there is no criminal trial, would a wrongful death lawsuit help them find out more about what happened ?
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YES, it would help them find out more about what happened. Especially if there were no trial. If there is no trial and Murray plea-bargains, what really happened might never be known. I think the family deserves to know, and we do, as well? I think at this point, a plea-bargain is likely. At a wrongful death civil case, Murray would no doubt be required to testify. Or, he could pay a settlement. But WHERE would he get the money? It would be HUGE.

Also, most likely a wrongful death suit would include AEG. Regardless of what is SAID about what doctor Michael did or did not want, there is every indication that AEG was, or was to be, Murray's official employer. Remember, they agreed to pay Murray a LOT? If AEG were the employer (and I think this can be proven), then they're the ones with the deep pockets in terms of a settlement.

Primarily, though, a civil suit would be to give Michael his day in court, especially if Murray takes a plea and there is no trial. Doesn't Michael deserve that? Of COURSE he does!
 
jrsfan said:
I don't think that's true. The Jacksons will find more out by suing for wrongful death because Murray will have to testify as OJ did, especially if he does a plea deal & there is no trial. Other people will have to testify too. The rules of evidence are not as strict, so they will be able to bring in more evidence than in a criminal trial. There was new evidence uncovered in the Simpson case too - the Bruno Magli shoes.

They can be awarded for future earnings from any book deals or tours he may get even after a prison sentence. If he has malpractice insurance, the insurance company can pay. I think the closure alone from achieving justice will be well worth it. Money is not the issue for families, look at the Browns & Goldman families - they really never got any money. Money is just how are system awards justice, money never brings back a loved one, financial settlements can force companies to change for the better so other people will not have to suffer in the future.

The family will need to have justice, more so than most families as they will feel MJ never got justice in life. IMO.

Guilt in a civil suit is much less than a criminal trial - it is just a preponderance of the evidence, not beyond a reasonable doubt - a much lower burden of proof. It would be a slam dunk for the Jacksons to win.
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That is assuming that the LAPD don't recover everything. Nothing new is usually not presenting in a civil case because it take less evident to be convicted. If Murray is already said to be guilty in the court of law, then they usually just present the same evident again. The stuff that was introduce in the OJ's civil trail was nothing earth shattering. It neither added or negated the other stuff that was presented. He lost mostly because people thought he had something to do with it, even though they was no real evident for it.

If nothing new is not presented, then what is the point of civil trial? Also, the person in question does not have to speak if they chose not to fight.
 
rimarily, though, a civil suit would be to give Michael his day in court, especially if Murray takes a plea and there is no trial. Doesn't Michael deserve that? Of COURSE he does!
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yeah that will be the most important reason for a civil case godforbid a crim one doesnt happen
 
I agree with people saying that at least a chance should be given.
You never know what can come out and at least giving it a try is something that the family can do.
 
victoria83 said:
yes, it would help them find out more about what happened. Especially if there were no trial. if there is no trial and murray plea-bargains, what really happened might never be known. i think the family deserves to know, and we do, as well? I think at this point, a plea-bargain is likely. At a wrongful death civil case, murray would no doubt be required to testify. Or, he could pay a settlement. But where would he get the money? It would be huge.

Also, most likely a wrongful death suit would include aeg. Regardless of what is said about what doctor michael did or did not want, there is every indication that aeg was, or was to be, murray's official employer. remember, they agreed to pay murray a lot? if aeg were the employer (and i think this can be proven), then they're the ones with the deep pockets in terms of a settlement.

Primarily, though, a civil suit would be to give michael his day in court, especially if murray takes a plea and there is no trial. Doesn't michael deserve that? Of course he does!
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preach!
 
After the criminal, I think Katherine and the kids file a wrongful death suit. Anyone of us would if that was our family member. I wouldn't care if I received a dime. It is about the principal of it all. Take it to court.
 
ensleyave said:
After the criminal, I think Katherine and the kids file a wrongful death suit. Anyone of us would if that was our family member. I wouldn't care if I received a dime. It is about the principal of it all. Take it to court.
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She has a very good lawyer now and I am sure he would know what to do in this case. The case will likely come from the children because creditors can not take their money; they are not being sued by anyone.
 
i guess because sueing is about money. its the heirs loss of money and interms of emotional distree its viewed they suffer more from it than anyone else. i presume thats why
 
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