Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[kasume]

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And stupid morons like Murray profited from his severe and Justified insomnia under the circumstances and took him away sooner.

Dr. Patrick Treacy stated, "The interesting thing is is when Michael was with us in Ireland, he also recieved propofol from us, but the thing is, he would NEVER do it in the absence of an anesthest. I have good evidence of that. (graphic evidence)" Dr. Treacy also said that even for drugs LESS DANGEROUS THAN PROPOFOL, Michael would STILL never take it in the absence of an anesthesiologist.

He went on mentioning that when he did prescribe medicatons for Michael, "none of which were for insomnia....more for like a cold, really."

If anyone can match up that statement from Michael's doctor to Michael WANTING a cardiologst to give him propofol, please do.

And as I said before, this is the children's lawsuit as well. Makes me wonder what they have heard, and saw.

 

[blueocean]

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How the hell did AEG hire Murray...when he's been treating MJ since 2008?

He was on AEG payroll, but they did no go looking for him. Just like they did not go looking for raggedy ass Karen Faye.



Pllllease.... MJ's kids are innocent in this. They are not involved in any of this farce of a lawsuit. So leave the kids out of it...the adults are using their name ...they have no control over what's being done "in their name".

Randy & Katherine are barking at the wrong tree...I am praying the judge shuts this farce down quickly. Similar to that other mess with AllGood.

As long as Murray goes to jail for his incompetency & gross negligence...I want the other side shows shut down.

The kids would know how long murray been rmichael doctor there knowledge is important in this matter, and the kids were on the inside, in katherine and the kids statement they are claming that AEG hired murray and murray contacted AEG about the medical equipment he needed why was murray asking AEG to supply the equipment? AEG hands are dirty and AEG look very suspicious if they really took out that insurance policy on michael so yes AEG got to face up to there doings, this is not going to be shut down like you say, to many of us fans we want the jackson family to get real justice for michael, that is want michael would want is real justice, not just the fall guy murray.

 

[Asedora]

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The kids would know how long murray been rmichael doctor there knowledge is important in this matter, and the kids were on the inside, in katherine and the kids statement they are claming that AEG hired murray and murray contacted AEG about the medical equipment he needed why was murray asking AEG to supply the equipment? AEG hands are dirty and AEG look very suspicious if they really took out that insurance policy on michael so yes AEG got to face up to there doings, this is not going to be shut down like you say, to many of us fans we want the jackson family to get real justice for michael, that is want michael would want is real justice, not just the fall guy murray.

THIS! Thank you for that :flowers:

 

[xthunderx2]

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Dr. Patrick Treacy stated, "The interesting thing is is when Michael was with us in Ireland, he also recieved propofol from us, but the thing is, he would NEVER do it in the absence of an anesthest. I have good evidence of that. (graphic evidence)" Dr. Treacy also said that even for drugs LESS DANGEROUS THAN PROPOFOL, Michael would STILL never take it in the absence of an anesthesiologist.

He went on mentioning that when he did prescribe medicatons for Michael, "none of which were for insomnia....more for like a cold, really."

If anyone can match up that statement from Michael's doctor to Michael WANTING a cardiologst to give him propofol, please do.

And as I said before, this is the children's lawsuit as well. Makes me wonder what they have heard, and saw.

also Kasume to that banner......where it says death by homicide....also they should add..they propofol and the benzos were administered by another....just as the autopsy states!!!

 

[Alma]

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Poor children having to get dragged into this.... They're the ones who lost the most, hopefully, they'll deal with it, I don't know what to say on this, it's disarming that they have to grow way ahead of time... that would've killed their father....

Good point about Treacy, Kasume, thanks... I hope he'll be actually called to testify for the prosecution, he's been nothing but supportive towards Michael and I hope he won't take what's surely being offered to people like these that wanna help M, and that he'll be safe, ultimately, these people are serious. Like 'poor', 'lonely', 'selfless' Thome Thome was/is when threatening, "There will be bloodshed", very sinuously, very "Godfather"ly to get people confused once more and think, 'What if Michael really did threaten X and Y...?" Typical.

I think the family accepted AEG sponsoring the memorial service, because it took place that soon after June 25, and didn't have the time to ponder on things, don't know, AEG may have offered to sponsor it, like 'the good guys' they are. I know that the signs on the screen shown before "Heal The World"/"We Are The World" are masonic symbols, plenty of them, and with the risk of sounding even more medieval. ..."Dr. Conrad Murray is a member of the "United Most Worshipful Scottish Grand Lodge of Texas" where he holds the title of "Grand Medical Director" (coincidentally, he's a 'doctor' there too), got this from here: http://freemasonsfordummies.blogspot.com/2010_02_01_archive.html, "Most Worshipful" sounds very much Murray, who only saw dollars when accepting to 'take care' of Michael, what could ppl like these be worhipping, him being in ties with AEG would totally make sense, I'll stop at this, though, as this isn't the proper forum, but just an observation I needed to make..

 

[serendipity]

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Paris Jackson: Concert organisers killed my dad

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Michael Jackson's 11-year-old daughter Paris believes her father died because he was overworked in the lead-up to his 'This Is It' tour. Speaking on British talk show The Paul O'Grady Show, Michael's sister La Toya Jackson voiced her niece's theories that Michael had died because he was pushed too hard by concert organisers.
"She said, 'No, you don’t understand, they kept working him and Daddy didn’t want that but they worked him constantly' — I felt so bad," La Toya said.
Michael died from a cardiac arrest with a cocktail of pharmaceutical drugs in his system. Immediately after his death in hospital, Paris confided in her aunt, "The cardiologist was the best, so how could this happen?"
"What happened is they worked him too hard."
Michael had originally planned to do 10 concerts but that number was increased to 50 — a decision he publicly complained about.
La Toya also revealed her own theory that Michael was murdered for the Beatles songs and other music that he owned.
"I thought that from day one ... you must understand something Michael always told me," she said.
"He said, 'If anything happens to me, if I die, it’s because someone murdered me — they’re trying to kill me'.
"It wasn't that he was being delusional, they did this over the catalogue."
An autopsy report released today reveals that Michael was in good health before his death with no heart problems whatsoever, however his arms were covered with puncture wounds from the drugs that eventually caused his death.



http://celebrities.ninemsn.com.au/blog.aspx?blogentryid=491194&showcomments=true

All I see is LaToya claiming this and she's not exactly a reliable source of information, is she?

And as I said before, this is the children's lawsuit as well. Makes me wonder what they have heard, and saw.

I seriously doubt the children have anything to do with this lawsuit. Clearly they are just using their names to bring more credibility to it. Doesn't necessarily mean the kids have any important info.

 

[xthunderx2]

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All I see is LaToya claiming this and she's not exactly a reliable source of information, is she?



I understand how you can say that Latoya is not reliable...I also know that we cannot pick and choose what it is we want tp believe that she says..however...in THIS instance when it comes to what it was that she is saying that Paris said...I choose to believe it was said by the child. It was right after Michael passed when this came out..people were very emotional at that time....IMO...I believe LaToya on this. You dont have to that is your choice. No hard feeling from me..

 

[ExoticPrincess]

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if mj agreed to reunion he would be still alive. mj just did not want to go back to jacksons 5 era and it is pretty much understandable because after being a king of pop it does not look good to be in jacksons 5 anymore. this question is not about a family pressure. it is about status. do not put it like a family killed him. They are not monsters.

His family wanted to help him , but when you are the biggest star in the world, it is impossible to go back where you started. It is just impossible. He would not be a king of pop anymore if he did it.
A choice he had to make, was a very tough choice imo. Basically it was a choice (how i see it) between life and death, but he hoped that he will survive.

Are you for real?

 

[Asedora]

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Are you for real?

Yes, I am for real. This is what I see. MJ imo did not want to go back to J5 again after being King Of POP. This is what I belive when I think about a choice he had to make.This is not only about family issues, however he probably did not want to go to his past because many things he did not like there.
After having Neverland, being a biggest Star in the world to return back to J5 would not be an easy thing. It is just impossible to imagine the end like that for him.

 

[MJFan07]

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still AEG did not kill Michael, Murray did. Murray is no fall guy or scapegoat. Murray is the medical doctor with a license and he used that license to buy propofol and kill MJ.

You don't know that this is the case. You are merely speculating. It is my understanding that AEG was paying Murray, that AEG and Murray signed the contract and not MJ. It is also my understanding that AEG was pressuring Murray to ensure Michael was rested for rehersals. So, in my opinion AEG does hold responsibility, in addition to Dr. Murray.

 

[serendipity]

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You don't know that this is the case. You are merely speculating. It is my understanding that AEG was paying Murray, that AEG and Murray signed the contract and not MJ. It is also my understanding that AEG was pressuring Murray to ensure Michael was rested for rehersals. So, in my opinion AEG does hold responsibility, in addition to Dr. Murray.

You are wrong. AEG did not sign the contract. Only Murray signed it and nobody else.

I understand how you can say that Latoya is not reliable...I also know that we cannot pick and choose what it is we want tp believe that she says..however...in THIS instance when it comes to what it was that she is saying that Paris said...I choose to believe it was said by the child. It was right after Michael passed when this came out..people were very emotional at that time....IMO...I believe LaToya on this. You dont have to that is your choice. No hard feeling from me..

That's ok, but just don't present it as fact, because we really don't know if Paris actually said anything like that.

LaToay's comments just look to me to be just another way to "strengthen" their claims against AEG by using the kids. It almost sounds as if they are somehow getting the blame off of Murray and putting it on AEG:

Immediately after his death in hospital, Paris confided in her aunt, "The cardiologist was the best, so how could this happen?"
"What happened is they worked him too hard."

It just sounds a bit ridiculous to me and a little too convenient for them which makes me have some serious doubts that Paris ever said anything like that.

 

[JMie]

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even if Paris did say it.... she's just a kid. of course, Michael must have mentioned how Murray was the best doctor and she repeated that. there was no way for her (being a kid and not a professional doctor herself) to judge his work. so she must have repeated what she heard from the adults.

 

[twinklEE]

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even if Paris did say it.... she's just a kid. of course, Michael must have mentioned how Murray was the best doctor and she repeated that. there was no way for her (being a kid and not a professional doctor herself) to judge his work. so she must have repeated what she heard from the adults.

Exactly, I think it's kind of ridiculous for adults on this board, to quote what a then 11 year old child supposedly might have said, in order to undermine whatever opinions they have
No offense to anyone though as I didn't even read who brought Paris up in the first place.

 

[chanel05]

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How do we know that Murray was NOT hired by AEG????....Because they say so? I don't think we should be so quick to jump tp AEG's defense....Michael never signed that contract either for Murray to be his doctor...Murray plainly states that AEG was the one that was suppose to pay him 150,000 dollars a month..

aeg and muarry were in the precedings of signing a contract. they never officially signed one but they KNEW he was caring for mj. they just happened to get lucky that when mj died, there was no contract that muarry and aeg officially signed. so legally speaking, he was not hired by aeg. thats also the reason muarry was never paid for his work.

AEG is responsible for what Murray was doing. It was said before that Murray was hired by AEG. It looks highly suspicious that nobody seem to sign a contract with Dr Murray and he never got paid.

aeg and muarry never officially signed an agreement. they knew muarry was working with mj though. im sure they would have signed a contract by the time the first tour date was to start. that also means that they didnt have to pay muarry a dime.

If this is true...



... then there are even more reasons to put that CM guy behind the bars. He has said he had no idea about Michael having any "issues" with pain killers. How can this be if he was "his long time personal physician"? There is footage of MJ explaining his issues with pain killers since Dangerous tour and later. So if you are a "long time personal physician", shouldn't you be aware of your patient past medical history? And if so, why did he accept giving Michael such a dangerous coctail of drugs just to "have him to sleep"? We have all been to a doctor before and we all know they ask a million questions about our health history, just because they need to know that to avoid mistakes. So?

Somebody is telling BIG lies here.

And I will forever think Klein should also have to explain what Michael was doing for so many hours in his office, and what he gave to him over the years.

And Michael trusted that gross man so much.... Geeeezzzz... my heart breaks just to think of that :no:

muarry was never mj's physician. muarry had treated one of mjs kids when he had a cold and i guess he kept treating his kids and they struk up some kind of aquaintanship(sp). muarry didnt start treating mj until may of 2009. i also dont believe that he didnt know his past medical history. he knew what was up and why he was being hired. remember he asked for like a million dollars or something crazy like that???? he knew exactly what mj wanted and he was willing and ready to give it. he could have atleast been cautious and NOT walked out the room while mj was sedated.

 

[Alma]

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Regarding the family being just as guilty as AEG with pressuring, that is extreme. Michael did expressed in a press release how he doesn't want to be joining the Jacksons on tour, and that he accepted the AEG's deal. He wasn't going to tour with the Jacksons, he was really firm about that. He did say 'yes' to a paparazzo that asked him about sth, a concert, or I don't know what, with the Jacksons, and he was annoyed when replying, also a sign that he just wanted to shut him up. His mind was made up, by the looks of it, AEG were too much on his back with serious threats. Talking danger. A whole company on your back threatening with a lawsuit in case you're not honoring the 50 concerts, God knows what else they threatened him with. To say he was to postpone more shows is pretty much an understatement, again, given his severe insomnia, he was gonna cancel shows, and he lived in fear because of that, of what AEG would resort to.

Murray serves AEG, in my humble opinion... He didn't mention them at all to save his skin, he could say, "Well, I was pressured by AEG a lot" or anyone for that matter, etc, not saying he won't try anything to save it, but he looks too much like a worshiping fellow, not just based on his underground 'job', where he's a 'doctor' there too. If he's found guilty, he may be ready to do just that, everything for his masters, that's how CIA zombies do for instance. I know it's a lot of speculation on my part regarding this Murray thing, and ppl are gonna need realest proofs to win a case, but not far-fetched at all, and the freemasonery thing is as real as it can be, that's not madness at all, that's what these people do. Not the thread for it, but often, you can't go without mentioning, say... the unseen work.

So, in an ideal world, both Murray and AEG should take the blame, ultimately, Murray administered what he did to an insomniac, an anesthetic that's Not for sleep in the first place, certainly Not for treating insomnia, and asked a whole lot of money for this 'task'. And AEG is just like the invisible, faceless government, the killers "in somebody's mind"... Such mafia dens hire faithful money-hungry nobodies, so their hands remain blood-free, that's very real. Murray signing the contract as MJ's doctor.... of course corporations are gonna appear traceless and never leave tangible marks, that's for the dummies to do that, who very much can be likened, although radically, to suicide bombers, who do it for their god. Never underestimate them..

 

[ButterfliesAreFree]

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Murray is the ONLY one responsible for Michael's MURDER. I am so sick of his family and others saying that the KILLER, Conrad Murray, is the fall guy. That's complete BS.All of this AEG "is responsible" talk is motivated by one thing-$$$$. If Michael had been MURDERED by Murray while doing a Jackson Reuinion tour, the family would be holding Murray solely responsible. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking anything else.

 

[ButterfliesAreFree]

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Regarding the family being just as guilty as AEG with pressuring, that is extreme. Michael did expressed in a press release how he doesn't want to be joining the Jacksons on tour, and that he accepted the AEG's deal. He wasn't going to tour with the Jacksons, he was really firm about that. He did say 'yes' to a paparazzo that asked him about sth, a concert, or I don't know what, with the Jacksons, and he was annoyed when replying, also a sign that he just wanted to shut him up. His mind was made up, by the looks of it, AEG were too much on his back with serious threats. Talking danger. A whole company on your back threatening with a lawsuit in case you're not honoring the 50 concerts, God knows what else they threatened him with. To say he was to postpone more shows is pretty much an understatement, again, given his severe insomnia, he was gonna cancel shows, and he lived in fear because of that, of what AEG would resort to.

Murray serves AEG, in my humble opinion... He didn't mention them at all to save his skin, he could say, "Well, I was pressured by AEG a lot" or anyone for that matter, etc, not saying he won't try anything to save it, but he looks too much like a worshiping fellow, not just based on his underground 'job', where he's a 'doctor' there too. If he's found guilty, he may be ready to do just that, everything for his masters, that's how CIA zombies do for instance. I know it's a lot of speculation on my part regarding this Murray thing, and ppl are gonna need realest proofs to win a case, but not far-fetched at all, and the freemasonery thing is as real as it can be, that's not madness at all, that's what these people do. Not the thread for it, but often, you can't go without mentioning, say... the unseen work.

So, in an ideal world, both Murray and AEG should take the blame, ultimately, Murray administered what he did to an insomniac, an anesthetic that's Not for sleep in the first place, certainly Not for treating insomnia, and asked a whole lot of money for this 'task'. And AEG is just like the invisible, faceless government, the killers "in somebody's mind"... Such mafia dens hire faithful money-hungry nobodies, so their hands remain blood-free, that's very real. Murray signing the contract as MJ's doctor.... of course corporations are gonna appear traceless and never leave tangible marks, that's for the dummies to do that, who very much can be likened, although radically, to suicide bombers, who do it for their god. Never underestimate them..

Murray's incompetence, neglect and subsequent cover-up is what killed Michael. Murray left Michael alone. He neglected to monitor him and tried to coverup his MURDER by injecting Michael with drugs AFTER he was dead.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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Welp, looks like Murray's defense team picked up on this. It's being reported that a point of their defense will be that Michael was unfit to perform, and that the rehearsals and all those years of touring took a toll on his body, thus having the desire to be medicated.

 

[Alma]

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Murray's incompetence, neglect and subsequent cover-up is what killed Michael. Murray left Michael alone. He neglected to monitor him and tried to coverup his MURDER by injecting Michael with drugs AFTER he was dead.

You're repeating what I, as many others said; and previous posts explain in detail how AEG is just as responsible for this coming down to how it did; undermining some opinions and stating one's own opinions as fact never did anything good to anyone. Demonizing the family also doesn't. Money or not, some members of the family do want Others (too) who've been responsible with what it sure looked like working Michael to death punished. Dollars, that's all some of them want? That's what it's BS. Overgeneralizing and coming down on a family trying to sue a mafia den like AEG is. This lynching of the family is crazy, Jackie and Marlon's tears at the funeral, and even Jermaine's are real, yeah, the family, at least, sometimes, has got feelings. La Toya, she's been the most outspoken in this whole thing, or was, she blamed not only Murray, but others. Have you heard of the involuntary bankruptcy Raymone Bain talked about when representing him? Certain advisers, lawyers or whatever were forcing him to go bankrupt, that was a conspiracy. The 2005 trial was a conspiracy.

This whole June 25 nonsense and madness is not just the tragic history of a man who died at the hands of another, but the Most famous human being. Read about the danger that Michael Jackson represented to those who now run Neverland and who wanted All of the items on there sold, despite his wishes; the many advisers and managers who made decisions without him knowing, behind his back, like Thome Thome. Murray isn't the fall guy, no one here said that, some are saying he's very much in ties with AEG, that maybe is speculation, but not something impossible to imagine, read back on a few posts explaining more on this and don't try to stifle important opinions like that, who could Very much be the truth.

This whole 'devilish family' versus AEG is not okay, really. Things aren't always either black or white.

 

[Alma]

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Welp, looks like Murray's defense team picked up on this. It's being reported that a point of their defense will be that Michael was unfit to perform, and that the rehearsals and all those years of touring took a toll on his body, thus having the desire to be medicated.

Having the desire... Nothing surprising, Murray's defense is too desperate for words.

This point actually goes very much against what the defense is after. If they go by saying Michael was not fit to perform, how on earth did he get the 'clean bill' Randy Philips and AEG kept ganging about, that he was fit to perform, and very much like a 30 year old? If he had the 'desire' to be medicated (they're going by saying he was a hedonist on drugs, too transparent not to notice), why did Murray cater to his 'wants'? They pushed the 50 shows down his throat because he was he was unfit to perform?? Their stupidity is mindblowing. Obviously, no, they pushed the 50 shows because they didn't care whether he was emotionally, physically or mentally prepared. He was for 10, who turned 31. Then 50. Why didn't Murray try to help him in this difficult time? He was Hired to do just that! ... Unfit to perform? Yeah, he was becoming, cause he couldn't sleep at all, he was an insomniac, naturally, and Propofol doesn't treat insomnia. What is he going to say about this illegal administration? Why didn't he take that insomniac to the hospital, as soon as some far-off people like Cheryll Lee told him to on the phone? When he was feeling terrible, both hot and cold. Jackson asked for help, Lee said he was Crying on the phone, that's how terrible he felt! Why didn't Murray complain to AEG to tell them? "You see, Michael can't sleep at all, he really needs help, he can't work that hard and do these many shows?" And he didn't get it. He wanted out of so many shows, and he couldn't get out. His defense is too ridiculous to even comment on that. What is he going to imply? That 'the medical information of a patient was confidential', so he kept quiet, while drugging his patient/putting him to sleep, to death? Cheryll Lee is a key witness that I hope will accept to appear, as well as Patrick Treacy.

 

[Sophielo]

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Whether AEG should be held responsible is a difficult one. They have a duty of care for their performer and it is AEG that legally needs to make sure their performer is fit and healthy which in my opinion they failed in due to the obvious weight loss of Michael during rehearsals. That should have raised alarm bells and that should have been addressed. Also apparently Michael was asking for heaters in rehersals and as we see in TII was often wearing multiple layers which again is a cause for concern. Did they kill Michael, no, that falls on the head of Conrad Murray. But should they be accountable for their gross failure in their duty of care for their performer, in my opinion yes they should.

 

[classic]

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Whether AEG should be held responsible is a difficult one. They have a duty of care for their performer and it is AEG that legally needs to make sure their performer is fit and healthy which in my opinion they failed in due to the obvious weight loss of Michael during rehearsals. That should have raised alarm bells and that should have been addressed. Also apparently Michael was asking for heaters in rehersals and as we see in TII was often wearing multiple layers which again is a cause for concern. Did they kill Michael, no, that falls on the head of Conrad Murray. But should they be accountable for their gross failure in their duty of care for their performer, in my opinion yes they should.

Actually, how much care they would have would be a legal one as they pointed out in the response doc to the lawsuit complaint. Businesswise, the court would be pointing to some really tricky ground to say that they were responsible versus that the responsibility ultimately was with Michael. Yes, safety measures for equipment, etc. But, physical illness not as a result of anything that AEG was contractually obligated to do would really be a stretch; this isn't a question that could be answered with any emotion involved because it would open up a huge can of worms. For example, if a construction worker showed up to work with the sniffles and was allowed to stay despite cold temperatures, would the company be held responsible if this worsened into something more serious simply because they didn't make him go home or they didn't give him medicine?

 

[Alma]

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AEG, like most corporations, is a money-making machine, too morally responsible for Jackson's death that it's clear. For a serious performer, for Any performer whatsoever, to only have 1 month and a half for rehearsing, with the set not finished, some songs and choreography not done. With ppl like Randy Philips himself, the AEG head chief, going to his home and Force him to go to the rehearsals, although he had so many other things to do, and most likely, wasn't feeling well... Like it's been said, for a man to complain of being cold at the rehearsals.......... This is too mindblowing, AEG Obviously knew he Wasn't fit to perform, Ortega too said Michael couldn't sleep, that he was nervous for him, they didn't try to stop this, they went ahead as planned, although the preparation time was limited, only 2 weeks to go... for the first concert in 12 years by a perfectionist, hard-working artist. Didn't Philips say that they tried to convince him for 2 years to perform, and that the response was always the same, that he wasn't prepared mentally and physically.

......... That's what I mean by being Just as guilty, in a way, as Murray. AEG could stop it, they saw Michael as a liability for them, and they didn't care how overworked and sleepless he was, just 'do it or die', there's no other way out, you gotta provide money to us. They tried to tell him often that he needed the money..... , review old articles of both Philips and Thome Thome saying how Michael was really short of money and he Needed to do the shows. But No one was more desperate than generating profits and making hard cash more than AEG and Murray, 'the money or your life' very much fits them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see just how at fault these AEG folks really were. Also, again, where is the written proof that Jackson's health was as great as they said it was, as Philips himself said it was, that he passed them with flying colors? ........ Was he really that healthy, that fit, that strong to do it, although increasingly getting thinner. Just by viewing some This Is It scenes, when he does the spin at the end of "Black And White", he looked a bit uncoordinated, that's what happens when one hasn't gotten any sleep. ........ He was getting sickly thin, with 3 or 4 shirts on him and a jacket, and that didn't raise any flags either??..........

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

AEG, like most corporations, is a money-making machine, too morally responsible for Jackson's death that it's clear. For a serious performer, for Any performer whatsoever, to only have 1 month and a half for rehearsing, with the set not finished, some songs and choreography not done. With ppl like Randy Philips himself, the AEG head chief, going to his home and Force him to go to the rehearsals, although he had so many other things to do, and most likely, wasn't feeling well... Like it's been said, for a man to complain of being cold at the rehearsals.......... This is too mindblowing, AEG Obviously knew he Wasn't fit to perform, Ortega too said Michael couldn't sleep, that he was nervous for him, they didn't try to stop this, they went ahead as planned, although the preparation time was limited, only 2 weeks to go... for the first concert in 12 years of a perfectionist, hard-working artist.

......... That's what I mean by being Just as guilty, in a way, as Murray. AEG could stop it, they saw Michael as a liability for the, and they didn't care how overworked and sleepless he was, just 'do it or die', there's no other way out. They tried to tell him often that he needed the money..... , review old articles of both Philips and Thome Thome saying how Michael was really short of money and he Needed to do the shows. But No one was more desperate than generating profits and making hard cash more than AEG and Murray, 'the money or your life' very much fits them. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see just how at fault these AEG folks really were. Also, again, where is the written proof that Jackson's health was as great as they said it was, as Philips himself said it was, that he passed them with flying colors? ........

Thank you for this post..these are the words I have been expressing all this time.....every single bit of what you wrote is the truth....I doubt anyone can challenge it...after all it is all public knowledge and Randy himself has been interviewed saying these words. So great post!!

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Whether AEG should be held responsible is a difficult one. They have a duty of care for their performer and it is AEG that legally needs to make sure their performer is fit and healthy which in my opinion they failed in due to the obvious weight loss of Michael during rehearsals. That should have raised alarm bells and that should have been addressed. Also apparently Michael was asking for heaters in rehersals and as we see in TII was often wearing multiple layers which again is a cause for concern. Did they kill Michael, no, that falls on the head of Conrad Murray. But should they be accountable for their gross failure in their duty of care for their performer, in my opinion yes they should.

Michael's weight was fine. The only person responsible for Michael's health was Michael himself. The only way AEG could be held responsible if Michael was working in unsafe working conditions and it caused his death. What went on in Michael's house had nothing to do with AEG. And if Michael was cold how is that AEG'S fault? And remember there was nothing wrong with Michael physically so it is silly to blame AEG because Michael was cold or thin

 

[twinklEE]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Actually, how much care they would have would be a legal one as they pointed out in the response doc to the lawsuit complaint. Businesswise, the court would be pointing to some really tricky ground to say that they were responsible versus that the responsibility ultimately was with Michael. Yes, safety measures for equipment, etc. But, physical illness not as a result of anything that AEG was contractually obligated to do would really be a stretch; this isn't a question that could be answered with any emotion involved because it would open up a huge can of worms. For example, if a construction worker showed up to work with the sniffles and was allowed to stay despite cold temperatures, would the company be held responsible if this worsened into something more serious simply because they didn't make him go home or they didn't give him medicine?

agree

 

[twinklEE]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Michael's weight was fine. The only person responsible for Michael's health was Michael himself. The only way AEG could be held responsible if Michael was working in unsafe working conditions and it caused his death. What went on in Michael's house had nothing to do with AEG. And if Michael was cold how is that AEG'S fault? And remember there was nothing wrong with Michael physically so it is silly to blame AEG because Michael was cold or thin

true...

 

[Alma]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Michael's weight was fine.

Really? Learn new things every day... Define what 'fine' is to you. What the autopsy says? What some paper full of inconsistencies that his report really is? Some can see with their own eyes. And 61 kilograms (he was reported to have had) for his height is not that good of a weight. He was always thin, yet not sickly thin as he was becoming.

The only person responsible for Michael's health was Michael himself.

Yeah, sure he was, with that much pressure and threats from AEG themselves, he was 5 people in one. Working to death, because he Didn't have the time to finish, which they really didn't finish. He hired a Doctor, who, by the words of Kai Chase, also monitored his food, what he ate, and she said he ate healthy and drank healthy.......0_0 Judging this cold sure can make any enemy dance, not to mention Murray, his defense and AEG.

What went on in Michael's house had nothing to do with AEG. And remember there was nothing wrong with Michael physically so it is silly to blame AEG because Michael was cold or thin

And you know this for sure how exactly? Not to mention saying there was nothing wrong with Michael physically again is dumbfounding and contradicts with your basically admitting that he was thin, which you did. Silly to blame them? How is it their fault? I guess all previous posts do nothing for some, that is if those same 'some' care to read them in the first place or really take time and dig deep themselves before replying.

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[StacyJ]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Welp, looks like Murray's defense team picked up on this. It's being reported that a point of their defense will be that Michael was unfit to perform, and that the rehearsals and all those years of touring took a toll on his body, thus having the desire to be medicated.

well as MJ's personal physician, why didn't Murray tell AEG that MJ was not fit to perform? why was Murray telling Randy Phillips, Kenny Oretega and Frank Dileo that MJ was fine and healthy? if Murray felt his patient was too sick to do a 50 date tour then why the hell didn't he say something? Murray is trying to find anything to defend himself from his guilt

 

[MJFan07]

Re: AEG Wants Katherine Jackson Lawsuit Dismissed

Murray is the ONLY one responsible for Michael's MURDER. I am so sick of his family and others saying that the KILLER, Conrad Murray, is the fall guy. That's complete BS.All of this AEG "is responsible" talk is motivated by one thing-$$$$. If Michael had been MURDERED by Murray while doing a Jackson Reuinion tour, the family would be holding Murray solely responsible. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking anything else.

I disagree. What motive does Murray have for murder? NONE. On the otherhand, AEG, among others, do have motive for murder. So, if you really feel that MJ was murdered (which I think is a strong possibility), than Murray wasn't the ringleader. Manslaughter, yeah, then you could argue it was Murray and no one else. But if you are going to use the term Murder, then there is no way Murray acted alone. The first thing in a murder case is motive, and Murray has no motive if he's acting alone. His only motive would be money, which means someone would've had to pay him. I do believe I've read that his fininancial situation has improved and that his debts have been paid off. But, I don't remember where I read that, so I don't want to say for sure that that is the case.