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L.A. Police Chief: Homicide or Accidental Overdose

And im sure i heard someone say that if the doc gave that drug to mike, it illegal to do so outside a hospital
 
Im sorry but none of this really makes sense to me.
Its been 15 days and its still a mystery.
We just want an answer as to what happened :(
but im really scared to know too.
 
wendy2004 said:
What I hate to think is if he was given the wrong medication. Meaning he thought he was taking one thing which normally wouldn't have hurt him and was accidentally given something else which did.
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God, you could be right. There were various meds found in his home, maybe the diprivan wore off and Mike just thought taking a sedative would help him get back to sleep.

Ahh God. This is just so unreal. Everytime I wake up during the night that empty pain just fills me. I can't explain it, almost like reality coming back to you. The last time I felt this pain was when my mother passed. The only comfort I have is that I know a lot of you feel the same.
 
My heart is just breaking at this. Homicide? :shock:

I really want to think that this was an accident. I don't want someone close to Michael to have killed him.
 
*~MJ Loves MJ~* said:
Really everyone, I don't want to think about this...yet is it possible that Michael woke up after a short period of time, and then administered it to himself, without thinking the dosage was to much?
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But MJ didn't like needles, right? I find it hard to believe someone who hated needles would have administered an intravenous injection to themselves. Getting someone else to do it is much less stressful and it's over with quicker.
 
MichaelYoureAStud said:
We're all afraid.
We don't want to think *murder* or *drug addict* yet the media is trying to spin both.
Also, will whatever comes out change the way some of us feel about Michael? Will this lessen the way we feel for him?
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Well, I think Katherine said it best, "Anyone can get hooked on prescription drugs." I've taken prescription drugs before, and come really close to getting hooked on them. I don't blame Michael for getting hooked on prescription drugs, if that is what really happened.

What makes me angry is all the speculation. Michael did this, Michael did that...who the hell knows yet? The autopsy results haven't come back yet, all it is right now is pure speculation. And it's all over the news. It's really sickening.
 
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I hate all the speculation and secondhand sources. Won't believe anything for sure until tox screens are done. But nothing that is found could ever change how I feel about Michael.
 
MJstarlight said:
I felt they did something to Michael so he wouldnt be able to go to his tour.
Something is wrong about this all. Michael looked so healthy in the rehearsal pictures.
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I just found it really strange that it happened exactly a week before he was supposed to leave for London. What are the odds?
 
I'm afraid that if any of these doctors are backed into a corner if stuff starts coming out about their involvement in what happened that may have led to Michael's death, their defense is going to be that there was nothing they could do to stop him from taking whatever. Ever since he passed away, the main thing in terms of how has centered around pills and injections. And everyone around him who has been interviewed in regards to this has been saying, "I tried to tell Michael and keep this from happening. But he wouldn't listen." So they're already setting the stage for this to all be his fault. What bothers me about this is that with the situation being so complex and with all these doctors being involved with him, of course nobody is going to openly admit responsibility for their part in this mess. And in the end they're going to lay this all on him too. And if anyone else is to blame by negligence, they're going to get away with it. I hope not. But unfortunately, people in authority always seemed to let their personal feelings impact how they did their jobs when it came to Michael while he was alive. I seriously don't see that changing now that he's gone.
 
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Whatever killed him, no one can blame him for using pain killers in the situation that he was in, we can't even imagine his physical and emotional pain. I struggle with head aches a lot myself and even those head ache pain killers are addictive. Why? Because you want to ease your own pain. That's perfectly human and natural.
 
MichaelYoureAStud said:
Also, will whatever comes out change the way some of us feel about Michael? Will this lessen the way we feel for him?
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Why would it, he is human and imperfect.These drugs are pretty easy to get hooked on, it usually isn't the patient's fault. I work in a pharmacy so i know. They start taking them because they have to.
 
Again, can't know anything until tox results. If it was diprivan then it's all on the doctor. He wasn't qualified to use it and looks like he didn't have proper equipment. And Michael couldn't FORCE him to use it. Plus the time it took to get help and the piss poor excuses given. Well, no. I don't care if Michael asked for it, demanded it, whatever. It was the doctor's choice to provide it - and he had to know he had no business doing it either. That's if it was Dirprivan.

We won't know until results are in and I will not speculate on any other drugs. There is too much rumor and innuendo to know any facts, so I refuse to do that to Michael.
 
I have to agree. And if you have a doctor that will provide them to you, it's a no win situation. The patient becomes the real victum. I know, my mother had a slight addiction to pain killers as well. In the end, between smoking 2 packs a day and numerous pills, she had a heart attack at 68. I still love her, and nothing has changed in how she inspired me throughout my life.

The way I feel about Michael will never change either. It's not the person who has the addiction that should be ridiculed, it's the doctors who provide for them knowing they have an addiction.
 
Let's get something clear. You can NOT administer Diprivan to yourself. If Michael had this drug given to him, it was given to him intrvaneously by another person.

And remember, this doctor was hired by Michael Jackson. Randy Phillips said he tried to convince Michael to wait until they got to London and he would hire him a doctor there. But Michael insisted on this guy and told Randy he didn't understand. So if this guy was anything, it was negligent and reckless. But I doubt he intended to kill Michael. Now this is all assuming he was the one who gave him something. For all we know, someone else could have given something to Michael. We just don't know.
 
mj_forever said:
i've just always thought that he shouldn't have died with that doctor around. i think it was in LKL where i saw that interview wherein the guy (from AEG) said Michael specifically asked for a live-in doctor, explaining that his body was the machine that would be doing all the work for the tour, and needed 24/7 monitoring from a doctor. which, to me, sounded like a serious desire to take care of himself. with a doctor living with him, he had no reason to self-medicate. he couldn't even use diprivan on himself. the doctor would have to do that. something went wrong (due to complacency? negligence?), and then the doctor took a lot of time to call for help...i agree with the opinion shared somewhere above, that somebody was looking out for himself, and not for Michael. hence, help came too late.
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Having a doctor 24/7 seems a bit strange to me, and even having him at his house while he was rehearsing, IF he was in good health, and apparently from the physical, he was. Of course he hadn't done any touring recently and was probably out of shape to be taking on such a strenuous series of concerts.

But why would be pick a heart doctor (if that is what he was)? It would seem someone with something like a sports medicine background might have been a better choice unless he thought he was having heart problems. And why pick someone that had previous legal problems - was he just trying to help the guy?

I think I heard the doc was getting $150,000 per month - that is some big money to charge/pay since he didn't have any over-head as all his expenses were also being covered at least in London.

One thing I don't remember hearing is if the physical included any drug testing, anyone know?
 
8701girl said:
And im sure i heard someone say that if the doc gave that drug to mike, it illegal to do so outside a hospital
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I don't think that is true - I mean that it is not illegal, not that you didn't hear it.

Apparently even dentists use it at times.
 
It's all incredibly sad. And the worst part is that people can speculate, professionals can run their investigations and news can run their stories, but we will never REALLY know the truth. We will never know what went through Michael's head, or Conrad Murray's head...or what went on in that room. We will never know if Michael wanted the drug or if it was given to him after he was asleep. All we can do is just think the best of Michael, and hope that people will be really, really honest during the investigation. But since we know that people are never going to be really, really honest...because who wants to fess up to possibly helping the King of Pop die, we need to just remember the Michael that we love and know that he is no longer tormented with his evils and addictions, and is in a better, much more loving place now. I know that it doesn't answer questions, but if we focus on that instead of the 'what-ifs' I'm sure we will feel much better...
 
8701girl said:
I reckon so yes. The thing is, if mike really wasnt feeling good- HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN TO THE HOSPITAL PERIOD!
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If a person has the money they can go to all the doctors they want and get prescriptions. If you lie to the doctor and tell them you aren't getting drugs from another source they really don't have anyway of checking so I feel they can't be held responsible. Even if the doctor suspects something is amiss I'm not sure what they could do other than just totally refuse to treat them. It's not like they could just call up some other doctors and ask them if they were prescribing something for Michael Jackson - I don't think the law would allow that.

And drug stores - unless the prescriptions are being filled that the same store/chain and/or under the same name I doubt they would have a clue either.

I'm not saying that is what happened in MJ's case but at some point personal responsibility/accountability should kick in and if not then it is up to the friends and family but that would be pretty difficult if the person has private security. You just couldn't barge in and do an intervention.

As for not being able to have great kids if you're an addict - I don't believe that. Kids who have addicts as parents, especially young kids, can be very protective and even help the addict conceal their addiction and be the most well mannered, smartest, loving kids around - they feel they have to be. Throw in a chef, nanny, drivers, security, housekeepers, tutors, groundskeepers etc I'm sure you could have great kids and appear in the occasional home movie and seem pretty together.

I saw an interview with Michael's chef and he mentioned that most of his interaction with Michael was through Prince Michael I - that seems to be a bit of a red flag to me.

I'm NOT saying this is what happened but I do believe it is a possibility, unfortunately.
 
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