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LAPD Treating Jackson Death as Homicide

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Cinnamon234 said:
Whether or not it will not bring MJ back is not really the point. It would be good to know what killed him. At least for the family, i'm sure it would at least bring them some type of closure.

It's about to get very messy though! I'm telling you, the s*** is about to hit the fan. Don't want to jump to conclusions, but it's not looking good. I really think MJ's death could have been prevented but we'll see what the results of the investigation and toxicology reports say.
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I got my goggles and protective suit on:cheeky:... The ppl involved with the possible "homicide" of MJ better get right with God real quick...:angel::angel::angel:
 
I don't think anyone set out to kill Michael. I think it was accidental, but as I said, this is all speculation. None of us really know.

#1MJstan said:
I got my goggles and protective suit on:cheeky:... The ppl involved with the possible "homicide" of MJ better get right with God real quick...:angel::angel::angel:
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Indeed! And I'm glad these Doctor's are being investigated. I think there is a lot we don't know. I'm not blaming anyone, but I just have a bad feeling. Something is not right here. The behavior of this Dr. Murray in particular has been very suspicious imo. I am anxious to see what the official reports say.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I just wonder what that doctor gains with killing MJ..i just dont see it.
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The doctor doesn't gain anything, he may have been set up to be the fall guy. He may have been administering some kind of medications, possibly someone planted adifferent medication. So he admininisterd something unknown even to him. You do not just drop dead because of using prescription medications, he would have been a zombie unable to dance as he did in rehearsal if he were as addicted as they say.
 
accidental homicide


This is what I believed from the beginning
as soon as I heard about MJ using this
anesthetic before to help him sleep ..

Propoful is not a narcotic it
is an anithestic to put you to sleep
during surgery _


Michael requested the Propofol to sleep
He just wanted to sleep
He used it before _ It was not premeditated
murder it was a neglegent homicide
The Doctor was negligent in administering
that anithestic and didn't monitor MJ correctly
while he was under _

The doctor should have said NO
Murry is responsible for Michael's death :(
but he did not want to kill Michel it was accidental.
 
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Whatever happened to Michael happened between the time he left rehearsal that night and when he was found the next afternoon. Dr Murray may have not tried to kill him but that fact that he waited 30 whole minutes to call 911 just shows negligence at the least. I am leaning towards this thing either being an accident and the doctor panicked OR Michael just died of massive heart failure bought on by other sickness he had coupled with stress. This is highly possible, you know. Especially if they don't find no excessive drugs in his system.
 
i really feel there is something not right about his death,a few weeks before he is due to make his big comeback,and all the stuff that sorrounds his death,they just don,t seem to add up.
 
qbee said:
accidental homicide


This is what I believed from the beginning
as soon as I heard about MJ using this
anesthetic before to help him sleep ..

Propoful is not a narcotic it
is an anithestic to put you to sleep
during surgery _


Michael requested the Propofol to sleep
He just wanted to sleep
He used it before _ It was not premeditated
murder it was a neglegent homicide
The Doctor was negligent in administering
that anithestic and didn't monitor MJ correctly
while he was under _

The doctor should have said NO
Murry is responsible for Michael's death :(
but he did not want to kill Michel it was accidental.
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Accident my ASS,
DR Murry did Kill him:evil:
And all other people around Michael, :mat:

:puke:-_-
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
Whatever happened to Michael happened between the time he left rehearsal that night and when he was found the next afternoon. Dr Murray may have not tried to kill him but that fact that he waited 30 whole minutes to call 911 just shows negligence at the least. I am leaning towards this thing either being an accident and the doctor panicked OR Michael just died of massive heart failure bought on by other sickness he had coupled with stress. This is highly possible, you know. Especially if they don't find no excessive drugs in his system.
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It's what i've been saying all along. All of those sound plausible to me. It could be natural causes but this also looks like a case of gross negligence to me. Waiting 30 mins to call 911 does not sit well with me at all. I believe the Dr. panicked though, that's the feeling I get. I don't think he set out to kill MJ at all, but I do believe he was negligent and made mistakes and he knows it. That's why he's been in hiding ever since MJ died.
 
Anesthesia in Jackson Case Tracked


http://www.tmz.com/bloggers/tmz-staff/
We've learned several pharmaceutical companies have been contacted by the DEA in the Michael Jackson case and we're told authorities are getting closer to identifying which person may have supplied the powerful anesthesia Propofol that appears to have killed the singer.

Sources tell us law enforcement found vials of Propofol in Michael Jackson's house after he died. The vials all have lot numbers. We're told several days ago the DEA contacted Teva Pharmaceuticals -- which manufactured one of the vials found at the house -- to determine who purchased it.

Teva sells Propofol to medical distributors, who then turn around and sell the vials to hospitals and doctors.

And, law enforcement sources say, the DEA also contacted other manufacturers of Propofol from the other vials found in Jackson's home.

Here's the problem. Although every vial has a lot number, the vials are not marked individually. There are thousands of vials in a lot. So the DEA and LAPD are trying to hone in on the culprit but, we're told, it's no easy task.
 
Let's say there was no Diprivan involved. The Doctor would still be negligent because he waited 30 minutes before calling the paramedics and Michael still had a pulse when they found him. So this doctor needs to explain WHAT THE HELL HE WAS DOING for 30 whole minutes while our baby lay their dying and desperately needing help.

The doctors "out of pocket 30 minutes" makes me think he was busy hiding something...like evidence.
 
What i still dont understand is the "i dont know this address" excuse the doc gave
DIDNT KNOW THE ADDRESS MY BUTT!
 
And another thing....the media are acting like they got all these sources in the LAPD. But the legal experts...peeps like Geragos and Gloria Allred who actually know the LAPD head, claim this guy is keeping everything close to the vest and he doesn't like leaks to the media. They keep telling LK that all of this stuff out there is pure speculation and that no one out there really knows anything. This Diprivan thing has taken wings and is flying all over the place, but we could find out Friday that there was no Diprivan involved at all. Just like there was no love letter to Gavin nor child porn on MJs computers. The media always lies.
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
and Gloria Allred who actually know the LAPD head, claim this guy is keeping everything close to the vest and he doesn't like leaks to the media. .
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I wouldnt trust anything that comes out of that woman's mouth one bit! IMO
 
The diprivan story still hinges on the nutritionist. I still don't see how a cardiologist would take on the role of an anaesthologist. That is crossing professional lines and the doctor is unlikely to do so otherwise he would be in serious proefessional breach because he is not trained to do that.
The media needs to keep the story alive so the tabloid that TMZ is recycles and now reports homicide, when a few days back, teh story was accidental or homicide.

It cannot change without toxicology results.

TMZ is trying to overide Latoya's "murder" story by re-releasing their own version.

Fans should also remember this, even if Michael had medication in his body, it was for a complaint he had. The media will only focus on this drug and that drug, but fans should look out for the reason why Michael had to take the drugs found in his body, aside from diprivan(if at all that happens to be part of the drugs)
 
rsw22 said:
The diprivan story still hinges on the nutritionist. I still don't see how a cardiologist would take on the role of an anaesthologist. That is crossing professional lines and the doctor is unlikely to do so otherwise he would be in serious proefessional breach because he is not trained to do that.
The media needs to keep the story alive so the tabloid that TMZ is recycles and now reports homicide, when a few days back, teh story was accidental or homicide.

It cannot change without toxicology results.

TMZ is trying to overide Latoya's "murder" story by re-releasing their own version.

Fans should also remember this, even if Michael had medication in his body, it was for a complaint he had. The media will only focus on this drug and that drug, but fans should look out for the reason why Michael had to take the drugs found in his body, aside from diprivan(if at all that happens to be part of the drugs)
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you have a point...Michael had other ailments....and what the media is purposely avoiding in saying is that Michael had a severe sleep disorder...

but also what I am noticing is that people who have dogged and been negative towards Michael for years are now trying to understand his death...and some are defending...like Diane Dimmond saying Halpern is lying about the "gay" story.....saying that in all her years of "stalking Michael" there is No evidence that he was gay...

ET special correspondent Diane Dimond, who has been covering Michael Jackson news since 1993, responds to the explosive new allegation that the King of Pop was gay.

In his new book, Ian Halperin, author of Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson, raises questions about Michael's sexuality. The author claims that whenever Michael would go out to meet one of his alleged gay lovers, he would wear an elaborate disguise.

"He was always dressed as a woman, and very convincingly, to the point no one else would recognize Michael," Halperin says in an interview with ET. "He was a master at costume -- at showbiz. He could've been a professional make-up artist he was that good."

Dimond says her findings do not jibe with those in Unmasked.

"Here's what I think," Diane says. "Over all the years that I have been looking into his life, I have found no evidence that Michael Jackson was gay. I have never spoken to any men who have claimed and proven they were Michael's lovers."
The question of Michael's sexuality was even something that his mother, Katherine Jackson, addressed. In 1993, she called those who said Michael was gay, "liars."


http://www.etonline.com/news/2009/07/76381/index.html
 
Let's just ready for what is clear to me is coming. Michael was murdered and there gonna be a murder trail. I want this f**ker to fry!
 
if anything it will be manslaughter by negligence wont ever be murder imo
 
He did it, thats why he dipped and hired a lawyer. I may be wrong for judging a person but I think he didn't. I also think it might have been an accident, maybe he gave him too much, but none the less I believe he did it, it's his fault.
 
I'm not sure if it is the same in the USA but Homicide doesn't necessarily mean murder. If there is gross negligence on the part of the medical practitioner (which there blatently is to say the least) then it could be Negligent Homicide or Manslaughter

Edit: I found this -

Homicidal crimes in some criminal jurisdictions include:

* Murder (in English law)
o Felony murder
o Capital murder
* Manslaughter (in English law)
o Voluntary manslaughter
o Involuntary manslaughter
o Intoxicated manslaughter
o Death by dangerous driving
o Reckless manslaughter
o Corporate manslaughter
o Culpable homicide (in Scots law)
o Negligent homicide
o Criminally negligent homicide
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
I just wonder what that doctor gains with killing MJ..i just dont see it.
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I think either the doc was setup but still even then he would know what he was injecting etc... so the only other conclusion I can come too if he did intend to kill Michael was if someone/some people have offered him millions in the future even if he goes to jail for a few years and pleads it was accidental...

Oh I don't know, I just hope the truth comes out. Not because it will bring back Michael(I was watching the end of Moonwalk yesterday where they are wishing for him to come back and he wanders down the street, if only eh...) but for the sake of justice for Michael, he was treated so bad in life by many - I really hope in death if these people killed him for his money as he is worth more dead than alive than it gets found out somehow. Otherwise it all makes me feel so disheartened with the world that a man with a kind heart and good soul gets so mistreated in life and then his death covered up... I just pray the truth comes out, although I know we will never know if it really is the truth. I just hope it does not take years to come out like Hendrix's death.

elusive moonwalker said:
if anything it will be manslaughter by negligence wont ever be murder imo
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Exactly so if he did do it for someone else, he'd get a short sentence maybe and then he could live off the millions they give him... could be a reason he would do it intentionally IF it wasn't an accident. I would say it was an accident if it wasn't for the fact that 'rumours' not facts point to:

- his credentials as a top Cardiologist don't seem to be true from some reports.
- he gave him CPR on the bed not the floor
- took ages for them to call 911
- even the ambulance reversed at the slowest speed I've ever seen, the drive was plenty wide and space there, why so slow... unless yes he was already dead at that point...
- why was he giving him such drugs, if the any of the reports are true as to what drugs were given.


Another thing I can think of is that someone slipped the doc money to keep Michael drugged up but not to kill him and that is where it all went wrong.

My gut instincts say he was murdered on purpose, I'm not saying that is fact - I'm saying that is my gut feeling, my gut feeling was also that Jordan and Gavin and families were lying and Michael would never do anything sexual or evil to a child. I don't know if its because we have close birthdays(I'm Aug 30th) but I have always felt strong feelings on anything to do with Michael. This whole thing is driving me crazy, as my mind(even if I don't want it too) constantly analyses and picks apart anything I read or hear of that does not sound 'right' and this whole thing to me seems like murder. I find it so sad that I'm sat here today typing that and Michael is no longer with us :(

I want the truth to come out for Michael's sake and the children's.
 
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the doctor could be guilty. why? he would neither confirm nor deny using the drug. and he got lawyered up asap. does that mean guilt? well no. but i think he knows more than he is telling and he is likely worrying about the toxicology reports because what killed jackson will likely show up in those. ive heard the toxicology reports will be back either this week or next week and some close to the case say the results will be explosive
 
Is it possible for the toxicology report to say what was in his system at what times - including the week before? Or is it literally just whatever was in his system at the actual time of death - ie. what killed him?
 
Rockin. said:
I'm not sure if it is the same in the USA but Homicide doesn't necessarily mean murder. If there is gross negligence on the part of the medical practitioner (which there blatently is to say the least) then it could be Negligent Homicide or Manslaughter
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yes homicide means he was either intentionally or accidentally killed by the doctor, but even the second option makes it just as bad!
it means he died at someone else's hand and Michael trusted that someone
 
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