LMP on Oprah 21/10/10 All Discussion Here - UPDATE Video's Start On Page 63

[bluetopez]

@Oprah Oprah Winfrey
OMG! Just had a SURPRISE date with Jackie Jackson. My teen idol hearthrob. Tried not to talk too much or eat too much. Succeeded at neither!
11 minutes ago

:bugeyed ^Someone shoot me! I will never understand his family!:no:

Also maybe MJ wasn't in love with Debbie that doesn't mean they didn't have sex to have those kids! Two different things and it happens everyday!

 

[Sdeidjs]

Amen. What is the big deal about what this little twit says anyway?? Leave her alone, let her go back under the rock from whence she came...she makes Sarah Palin look intelligent!!

There you have it!! LMP knows MJ has a strong fan base. She's trying to grab some of them, because some of her Dad's fans will be pissed at this interview and her 'highness and intoxication with MJ'

If Ms.Presley loved, cared for Mr.Michael Jackson as much as she "claims" she did/does...she would have "NEVER" thrown HIM & HIS under the bus like she did in the past and/or has in this interview.

Peace, Happiness, L.O.V.E~~~

As Always

:angel:

 

[Asedora]

Sorry!

But I posted this

Given MJ's own words, I think this is more logical. Don't get me wrong, I don't think he hated her. He probably still cared for her. But being IN love with her, madly and deeply, I think not.

But I agree the interview with Katherine is what is important now.:yes:

I have rabbi Shmuly book and I know what he said in that book but it was taped around 2001. Lisa was reffering to a phone call made in 2005. Big diffrence, ya know... .

I can make clues only from my own expirience. In fact you do not brake up easy with the person you have been in love. It is ON and OFF. I have been dealing with that more than for 10 years and YES the questions like: do you love me still or DID you love me are beeing asked from both sides because people still have feelings. It does not go away overnight. Eventually if somebody starts new realtionships it feels like it is over.

And once again, it is not important. He is not here anymore and fans have to focus on his legacy and the future trial.
Besides there are lots of room still for a fan fiction stories MJJ fans always been very creative

 

[max000]

Any one thinks LISA MARIE marriage will survive this interview.? What will the husband think when he sees this on tape.? Not to mention what family and friends whisper in his ears.

 

[Moulin Rouge]

i don't think it's fair to judge a relationship based on just your view. i haven't heard from Debbie yet on this. and of course, i won't hear from Michael. and, of course people are talking about the Shmuley tapes, too.

My view and your view doesn't really matter lol fact is Michael was seeing Lisa while Debbie was home pregnant. Michael decided to marry Lisa first when he knew Debbie years before the marriage.

 

[8701girl]

Any one thinks LISA MARIE marriage will survive this interview.? What will the husband think when he sees this on tape.? Not to mention what family and friends whisper in his ears.

I think michael lockwood loves her and is willing to stand by her even with this whole obession with mj she has. I mean his stood by her this long, why would he leave now

 

[ivy]

Any one thinks LISA MARIE marriage will survive this interview.? What will the husband think when he sees this on tape.? Not to mention what family and friends whisper in his ears.

for some reason I think they'll be okay.

When they were married her first husband (Danny Keough) was the best man. and if you believe like some people that Michael was pursuing Lisa Marie till 2005 , that would be interesting as well- as she started dating her current husband in 2003.

so I think Michael Lockwood has accepted her relationship - connection with all her ex husbands.

 

[Moulin Rouge]

Any one thinks LISA MARIE marriage will survive this interview.? What will the husband think when he sees this on tape.? Not to mention what family and friends whisper in his ears.

I have a feeling it won't or it'll cause some issues, i am suprised the marriage even lasted this long. I also think they're going to try to make it work for their kids but i always felt Lisa had Michael(Jackson) on her mind. This interview confirmed to me that she wasn't over him like i suspected and he was bitter because she was hurt. It's just a sham she gets this revelation because Michael died.

 

[ASIS]

then there's the fact that there are aspects of MJ you or i don't understand, and can't judge..

Why do fans act like this rule applies only to MJ? This is true for all celebrities, no, it is true for all people but all I see here is criticism. (here as in this thread, not your post of couse)

 

[144000]

My view and your view doesn't really matter lol fact is Michael was seeing Lisa while Debbie was home pregnant. Michael decided to marry Lisa first when he knew Debbie years before the marriage.

chronology doesn't matter here. and you're making it easy for me to see Lisa Marie as having an ego. like i said in a previous post, Lisa Marie told this story this time. earlier, she told a different story. so, i don't know which to believe.

it's never a good idea to have these debates based on one's own romantic views. it's like two sides in a war. no matter what, each side will believe they are right, even if they are wrong.

what's the saying? all's fair in love and war..

none of us had a 24/7 surveillance camera on Mike, so we don't know.

 

[Memefan]

From @jodigomes


WOW, its refreshing to see the forgiving & understanding tweets come in. i always see the anguish, despair and confusion. healing is good.
34 seconds ago


my prayers 2 U that have loved & lost. its gut wrenching, but u find a way to live with it & not focus on things that cant be undone.#HUMAN
5 minutes ago


the rest will linger privately in her heart & isnt OURs 2 know or judge. hv u ever loved & lost someone u couldnt save? i hv, it hurts 4eva
11 minutes ago


they shared intimate, special love like no other in his life,even long after divorce. hope u can appreciate her real pain too vs media crap
18 minutes ago


Icons r easy to love from afar.VERY difficult in eye of storm no matter how loving icons r.difficult world to survive.LMP did her best
23 minutes ago


he loved her.that's what i know. and i see the hurt in her, like many who couldn't help "save" a good soul. im glad fans "listened" vs judge
26 minutes ago


its difficult to PUBLICLY discuss any love life. LMP was honest, sincere and truly only skimmed surface of what she shared with MJ (more...)
27 minutes ago


my twitter was frozen, so Im just now seeing & reading your 100's of tweets about LMP on Oprah. My opinion is...
31 minutes ago



so, what are your thoughts on the Lisa Marie interview on Oprah? it's been quiet from #MJFAm
1 hour ago

 

[potpot]

Didn't see it don't care. Bye.

 

[earthlyme]

Didn't see it don't care. Bye.

:cheeky:

 

[Moulin Rouge]

chronology doesn't matter here. and you're making it easy for me to see Lisa Marie as having an ego. like i said in a previous post, Lisa Marie told this story this time. earlier, she told a different story. so, i don't know which to believe.

it's never a good idea to have these debates based on one's own romantic views. it's like two sides in a war. no matter what, each side will believe they are right, even if they are wrong.

what's the saying? all's fair in love and war..

none of us had a 24/7 surveillance camera on Mike, so we don't know.

There are pictures of Michael with his ex wife afetr they divorced when he was married to debbie. i am not making this up i thought most fans knew he and Lisa were having a fling a for a few years after the divorced. but lets agree to disagree you can believe he was in love with Debbie or remain indecisive while i will maintain that while i believe Michael loved her as a friend he was not in love with her.

 

[earthlyme]

From @jodigomes


WOW, its refreshing to see the forgiving & understanding tweets come in. i always see the anguish, despair and confusion. healing is good.
34 seconds ago


my prayers 2 U that have loved & lost. its gut wrenching, but u find a way to live with it & not focus on things that cant be undone.#HUMAN
5 minutes ago


the rest will linger privately in her heart & isnt OURs 2 know or judge. hv u ever loved & lost someone u couldnt save? i hv, it hurts 4eva
11 minutes ago


they shared intimate, special love like no other in his life,even long after divorce. hope u can appreciate her real pain too vs media crap
18 minutes ago


Icons r easy to love from afar.VERY difficult in eye of storm no matter how loving icons r.difficult world to survive.LMP did her best
23 minutes ago


he loved her.that's what i know. and i see the hurt in her, like many who couldn't help "save" a good soul. im glad fans "listened" vs judge
26 minutes ago


its difficult to PUBLICLY discuss any love life. LMP was honest, sincere and truly only skimmed surface of what she shared with MJ (more...)
27 minutes ago


my twitter was frozen, so Im just now seeing & reading your 100's of tweets about LMP on Oprah. My opinion is...
31 minutes ago



so, what are your thoughts on the Lisa Marie interview on Oprah? it's been quiet from #MJFAm
1 hour ago

Who is this person? :blink:


L.o.v.e.
Romi

 

[Moulin Rouge]

Who is this person? :blink:


L.o.v.e.
Romi

producer of the jacksons show.

 

[Ashtanga]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :bugeyed


LMP is really an endless discussion. >

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!! :smilerolleyes:

 

[StacyJ]

Who is this person? :blink:


L.o.v.e.
Romi

A Jackson family friend.. she was the producer of the jackson brothers reality show from last year

 

[TheOriginalPYT]

Didn't see it don't care. Bye.

Don't worry, I didn't see the whole thing myself. It made me sick to my stomach, and I got tired of the '"drugs" being brought up every 5 seconds. I have most of the same mental disorders that Michael had, and have to take at least 5-6 different prescription meds every single day to even function... I've been through that much shit similar to Michael's troubles. PEOPLE did this to me. Guess that means I'm a drug addict, too.

 

[TheOriginalPYT]

Post edited.

 

[earthlyme]

Don't worry, I didn't see the whole thing myself. It made me sick to my stomach, and I got tired of the '"drugs" being brought up every 5 seconds. I have most of the same mental disorders that Michael had, and have to take at least 5 different meds every single day to even function, I've been through that much shit. Guess that means I'm a drug addict, too.

:no:

I'm sorry to hear that!


I Dont get how ppl. keep sayin he's an addict after learning how many problems he had… ELVIS was a "Drug addict" Imho. He was found with 18 perscription pills(in the bathroom floor) and everyone of them was in his system( codeine, Valium, morphine, and Demorol, to name a few) And his autopsy will remain sealed until 2027!!! 50 years after his death… (And ppl. havent said anything about it&#8230

Michael didnt have Pills in him, he had "doctor" administrated medicine and Now he's called a Druggie? Double standard MUch??? :smilerolleyes: And his autopsy is out for everyone to see ofcouse… America sux for a minority… :smilerolleyes:


Sorry for going off topic…Again...


L.o.v.e.
Romi

 

[Topflux]

I am glad I defended Lisa in my earlier posts because she's really a nice person. Now we can go on and I hope also she feels much better. It was just hard to open up fully during Michael's life. That's why she never really told about their private life. She only told about her feelings back then (bitter or whatever) and very little about what happened more exactly. We knew still the most of those things she told today and we knew they had been seeing each other later but not like that. It must have been really secret.

 

[riviera1992]

simple - cortizone & prednisone both used in lupus.

Side effects - take in pounds, looking bloated, appear dizzy, sleepy, heavy eyelids.

Thank you!

LMP should've said " I thought that he was medicated". I don't think she knows much about Michael's health problems.
But like I said before she has no polish whatsoever. I truly don't know what Michael saw in her. She was a dysfunctional spoiled brat then and now she's a dysfunctional woman in need of serious therapy.

She says she doesn't understand why the Universe did that to her (Elvis and Michael).

It's very simple. The universe will make you gravitate toward experiences to which is familiar to what's in your subconcious mind to make your learn the life's lessons necessairy for your personal growth. And since she had major issues with her dad having lost him so young, she was attracted to Michael because of the same major and unique charisma that her father had. That's why she said Michael was a drug to her.

10 years of being married to a hypnotherapist tells me she could be healed and understand the why and how this all happened in about two sessions.

I can tell by this interview that she has made baby steps toward her personal growth but it's obvious to me that she needs deep trance work to get to the core of her issues. Many things she said, is, HER dysfunctional perception according to her own world. She projected her dad drugs use unto Michael's and assumed it was the same. It doesn't help that Michael said he thought he would end up like Elvis.
But a well balanced person would say : But that was then and this is now. Michael had got himself some help and he had three angelic kids to live for.

IMO even though the show was mostly positive, it's the negative part that will do damage and LMP should've been responsable enough to know that and NOT say "he was high as a kite" or train wrecked or whatever.

Peace out!

 

[Thetruthbetold]

SMDH at this thread can't believe half of the fucking shit I am reading anyway glad she said what she has to say glad she can finally rest and be at peace. Some of these post's is so damn wrong but that's u all opinion i won't go hard on her because its not worth it this is Lisa story and she sticking to it just move on please this thread needs to be close can't blieve people on here act like they walk a damn mile in MJ's shoes

 

[ginvid]

For goodness sake! Now that she has suceeded in pulling the wool over people's eyes, I wish she would now just go away. For the sake of humanity, go away. My feelings for her are unchanged. She still annoys me. Just because she had an epiphany, it does not change everything she did before for me. I hope she can come to terms with what she has done, and she can have some kind of peace of mind for the sake of the children she has now.

But I am unmoved.

LMP should've said " I thought that he was medicated". I don't think she knows much about Michael's health problems.

I agree. The doctor who treated MJ and said he had no drugs in his system said he only gave MJ's medical problems to those who MJ said he could. He gave it to some family members. The fact that Lisa could not get a straight answer after asking various people, speaks volumes to me.

 

[Thetruthbetold]

For goodness sake! Now that she has suceeded in pulling the wool over people's eyes, I wish she would now just go away. For the sake of humanity, go away. My feelings for her are unchanged. She still annoys me. Just because she had an epiphany, it does not change everything she did before for me. I hope she can come to terms with what she has done, and she can have some kind of peace of mind for the sake of the children she has now.

But I am unmoved.

co-sign with everyone I am just done with this thread bashing and all come on now i'm out ~200. I'm glad i know the truth and surround myself with people who knew him people who told the real deal I can't say on here because i don't want this forum to be shut down. Any way good night to u all hopefully u all found some kind of peace and for the record about him being this drug addict i am sure if he was but i was told different that there will not have been no Prince or no Paris his kids came out healthy other wise some body can prove me wrong goodnight. Shout out to PPB god bless u kids and your daddy is proud of u also shout to the BM"s

 

[144000]

There are pictures of Michael with his ex wife afetr they divorced when he was married to debbie. i am not making this up i thought most fans knew he and Lisa were having a fling a for a few years after the divorced. but lets agree to disagree you can believe he was in love with Debbie or remain indecisive while i will maintain that while i believe Michael loved her as a friend he was not in love with her.

since we are being sensational, we don't have any kardashians on this one, so, yes, we'll agree to disagree.

 

[8701girl]

SMDH at this thread can't believe half of the fucking shit I am reading anyway glad she said what she has to say glad she can finally rest and be at peace. Some of these post's is so damn wrong but that's u all opinion i won't go hard on her because its not worth it this is Lisa story and she sticking to it just move on please this thread needs to be close can't blieve people on here act like they walk a damn mile in MJ's shoes

I really dont think lisa will ever be at peace with the whole mj stuff, i truly think it will eat her up and stay with her for the rest of her life. Shes trying to delibritely make her self think shes letting go of him, but i dont think it ever happen.

 

[riviera1992]

The bad parts of this interview… Her mentioning the 1995 collapse, and her displaying such a lack of knowledge, empathy, and reason altogether, for she said the collapse was due to drugs. Not ‘cause of overworking himself and dedicating himself for the many people he was going to entertain and have a responsibility to. No, non of that.

Then her mentioning injections and all the discussion about that, alluding/if not, screaming of addictions.

The fact that only him dying made her realize who he really was, what was lost..

The reason she gave for ending her marriage with Michael: she says it was her telling to chose between drugs and ‘empires’, and her. That was pride involved, she’s full of pride, and the reason the marriage ended was because his heart couldn’t bare the betrayal he suffered because she didn’t want to be the mother of his children.

The Elvis-Michael parallel, and how their fate was the same. Off again, and wrong again. I won’t redelve into it. The fact that she now speaks “with utmost respect and love” now about him, and didn’t do it when he was alive.

How she repeatedly says that “I’ve never felt so high and intoxicated in my life”, “I’ve never felt that way about any other human being, except for my father”. How must her husband feel when he hears that, however understanding and sympathetic and kind one can be. How one feels when hearing such things? How she said that the other dates in his life were never profound. How would she know that? Diana Ross, for instance, was the love of his life, his first love, which he very often admitted.

If, when accepting to marry Michael and after, she felt her marriage was going to last forever, how could she think they could be together without creating their own family? How could she think he would not want children, when he loved them more than anything else in the world? For him to be that endearing and when with him, you felt like taking care of him, as she says, how could she, as a wife, not want to start a family with him, if she loved him so much? How she says him having Debbie’s children was a retaliating thing on behalf of him. How could that be, when he was so hurt, and found a friend of many years willing to make him a father. He was beyond hurt, and, on top of that, aching to be a father and mother and show them the love he never really felt. He had children with a good friend, not just a somebody else, since Lisa wasn’t willing. I understand her hurt, but the love for purity was stronger and it triumphed. That is too rare a quality. It was good to hear her say “I understand him so well now”… and that “He, honestly, tried so hard and went through so much with me and I know now when I look back”, and that “I really admire him that he gave it a real shot’. Despite her being so full of pride and stubborn, Michael was still trying to give her a chance, like he gave everything a chance. Why realize this now? I know I say, ‘Better late than never’. But he needed to hear those words for himself. He hungered for the simplicity of the depth of such moments, they held him and nurtured him, the little things.

Then the ‘drugs and doctors’ thing again. How could she be not even opinionated, but certain when speaking of his drug use and all? Saying he was ‘high as a kite’, or that he didn’t have a straight head, for instance.. Why would you say that? Doesn’t she care about what his children would feel when/if they listen to her talking of her deceased father that way, who can’t have his say now? In the Bashir documentary, and some other times, he wasn’t high, or high on recreational drugs. He wasn’t trying to get a fix. Those were side effects from painkillers, for the various pains he had, and there’s no proof that he abused them as in 1993. And if he did for a while, would it kill these people to show empathy? Would it kill Lisa Marie, a well-known former drug abuser, to show empathy, and to understand the kind of life he had, that other people wouldn’t be able to survive? And he lived it, with a smile, as well, no matter how broken. Children and innocence held him. But coldness and pride, the coldness and pride of other… that must have killed him so much. Coldness and pride and indifference always kill so much.

Or the fact that she honestly can’t say/doesn’t think he’s innocent for sure, because she wasn’t in that room and all that pitiful explanation and counterfeited profoundness. Is that how much she knew him? Is that how she wants people to remember him? Did she forget she is not actually sitting before a therapist in privacy, where one is free and urged to come clean about their feelings? I don’t care what she thinks, as well as I don’t care what others think, personally, but when choosing to speak for the public to see, you would, somehow, choose your words more carefully.

It is my humble opinion, based on all that, and the way she talks and the vibe I get from her is that her thinking is quite simplistic for somebody her age. She is starting to mature, she learned to admit to some mistakes, but she lacks serious basic things. She not once spoke about Michael’s feelings, or his pains, his joys. Just about her feelings and her perspective of him. Michael didn’t have a say in all this, he wasn’t present in all this, it was actually a hostile ghost or someone aloof and breakable. But not Michael. People keep loving to repeat how Michael was imperfect. He was imperfect, and everyone is, and everyone should know this and stop repeating it to avoid making a point weak. But he had an angelic soul and a sensitive soul, and that is that. That makes the whole difference.

I forgave her. She admitted some wrongdoing, and, even if she didn’t, I can’t throw rocks into someone who could use help dealing with life and their person. She is still a child mentally in a way, and her mind is full of confusion. She can have a good heart. But she has much more to do, and that is turn to God more. Before watching the interview… it hit me again in the heart like a steel rock: Michael’s absence. It hit hard again and something very close to June 25 happened to me. And after the interview was over… I was in pain again, over how some people, unfortunately many, were blessed/are blessed with so much, the best of life, and yet be so unhappy or ungrateful… Lisa has/had the best: her father, a talented, beautiful man, with a good heart, her current husband, a wonderful, selfless person, two new wonders of children… and Michael. This cuts so deep how unappreciative we can be, especially when we need to be. I didn't even want to ever post on a public forum again, but I feel like in a whirlwind of emptiness just thinking about all these hurtful things, like, they can’t be real..

:better: You said it all.

Michael would've been better off marrying a fan like you. He should be in the record books for the most mis-understood human being to ever live.

 

[MJstarlight]

Re: LMP Back on Oprah This Thursday

Many people felt guilty when Michael died for how they treated him and Lisa was one of them. I think this interview was more for herself than for Michael. I think to make herself feel better. It would have made a difference if she had talked about him this way when he was still here.

Thats how I felt watching this too
People just dont realize that time is so short and holding grudges is a very bad thing. Michael never deserved any of the cruel treatment. I dont understand why things fell apart but things happen in relationships. Its a very sad story overall.