Michael's mom reported missing /Grandma's Home/TJ appointed Co/Guardian with Katherine

Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I back the estate 1000% on this! Damn right those people shouldnt be allowed into that house. Why should they be? And the kids of Randy, Jermaine and Rebbie not being allowed there is for good reason too, they all seemed to side with their parents in this, and wouldn't surprise me if they were sent in to do the dirty work for their parents.

And have we forgotten what Prince said about Michael warning them about certain family members? Michael would not want those people around his kids so it's only right that the estate backs that up and keeps them away.

As for the Stacy Brown article...I think it would be a very bold move to use the word "sibling" instead of "source" if the information wasnt actually coming from a sibling! While he's an asshole and can't be trusted, but he'd leave himself very open to being sued. The Jackson's are rapidly falling apart and I think they can drop the "Unity" act now. They were some nasty words about Janet! I'd love to see what's going on behind the scenes with these siblings.

I can't believe there are still people siding with the Jackson's and against the estate even after everything thats happened. Crazy!
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Again, I will say this: This is all about control and divide and conquer. These jerks intend to put a huge wedge between Katherine and PPB and the rest of the Jackson family PERIOD! It's not about 'protecting the children'. What better way of exercising strong arm control and manipulation than making a division.

And for those of you who are getting ready to say "Well it's not Jackie, Tito, Marlon nor LaToya"; so what if they're not on the list on being barred? Did it ever occur that this barring also serves as a warning to the remaining Jackson 4 that "this can happen to you too if you get out of line (i.e. challenge us)?

This reminds me of what happened with Michael shortly before he died. This is disgusting!

And NO ONE on this board will sell me with the nonsense that Katherine, TJ, and PPJ wanted this---especially banning the children that had nothing to do with this!

AGAIN I ask: Would you like this happening to YOU and/or YOUR family? Tell the truth!
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I back the estate 1000% on this! Damn right those people shouldnt be allowed into that house. Why should they be? And the kids of Randy, Jermaine and Rebbie not being allowed there is for good reason too, they all seemed to side with their parents in this, and wouldn't surprise me if they were sent in to do the dirty work for their parents.

And have we forgotten what Prince said about Michael warning them about certain family members? Michael would not want those people around his kids so it's only right that the estate backs that up and keeps them away.

As for the Stacy Brown article...I think it would be a very bold move to use the word "sibling" instead of "source" if the information wasnt actually coming from a sibling! While he's an asshole and can't be trusted, but he'd leave himself very open to being sued. The Jackson's are rapidly falling apart and I think they can drop the "Unity" act now. They were some nasty words about Janet! I'd love to see what's going on behind the scenes with these siblings.

I can't believe there are still people siding with the Jackson's and against the estate even after everything thats happened. Crazy!

I can't believe people are supporting a bunch of goons playing power games like this! THAT'S crazy!
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Sometimes in everyone's family there are people who cause problems and you can't be around them. Michael hardly ever saw his brothers and sisters. They can't come to the home but you see them elsewhere.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I can't believe people are supporting a bunch of goons playing power games like this! THAT'S crazy!

Until PPB complain about the estate's letter, we have to assume they are OK with it and support it. I think from past indications, certainly Paris, and maybe Prince as well, will make a statement on twitter if they feel they want their cousins to come over but they can't. I think we have to let this play out in time. I'm not saying kids always know what's best for them, but until PPB complain, I don't think we should take too much issue with the letter. It certainly seems in their best interest to keep Randy, Jermaine, Janet and Rebbie away. Janet has irked me since Michael's death when it comes to PPB. Every interview she gave, when asked about Michael's children, she always answered by saying all of her nieces/nephews are doing well. She made a point of it to not specifically answer about Michael's children, but talk about the other nieces/nephews, as though their loss could equate to PPB's loss. I think she resents them and these last two weeks solidify what I've felt about her all along. I'm glad she can't be around them.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Again, I will say this: This is all about control and divide and conquer. These jerks intend to put a huge wedge between Katherine and PPB and the rest of the Jackson family PERIOD! It's not about 'protecting the children'. What better way of exercising strong arm control and manipulation than making a division.

And for those of you who are getting ready to say "Well it's not Jackie, Tito, Marlon nor LaToya"; so what if they're not on the list on being barred? Did it ever occur that this barring also serves as a warning to the remaining Jackson 4 that "this can happen to you too if you get out of line (i.e. challenge us)?

This reminds me of what happened with Michael shortly before he died. This is disgusting!

And NO ONE on this board will sell me with the nonsense that Katherine, TJ, and PPJ wanted this---especially banning the children that had nothing to do with this!

AGAIN I ask: Would you like this happening to YOU and/or YOUR family? Tell the truth!

You are right this is all about control and the Jackson's clearly want control of Michael's 1 billion dollar estate. I'll tell you the truth. No one drove a wedge between the Jackson's but the Jackson's and that is the truth. The Estate was not behind Janet, Rebbie, Randy and Jermaine taking their mother away to Az and not allowing the children to talk to her for 11 days. The Estate was not behind putting out the LIE that Katherine had a mini-stroke. The Estate did not crash the gate of the children's home and try to cut them off from communication with the outside world by taking their phones. The Estate did not try and bully the children into getting on a plane and flying off to God know where. Jesus! I'm glad these children are smart and that Michael warned them about the people in his family and their ways. The fact is Michael wouldn't have been as isolated as he was if his family had shown him love and not greed jealousy, envy and hate. None of the things I've just stated were caused by the Estate. They were all done by guess who? The JACKSON'S. The Estate did not get on every media outlet in the world and call Michael a drug addict. The Estate didn't try to sabatage the murray trial so CM would be aquitted nor did they let CM off the hook for restitution. The Estate did not expose Michael's children to a porn maker. The list is endless but I think I have made my point I hope you can THE TRUTH.
 
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Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

AGAIN I ask: Would you like this happening to YOU and/or YOUR family? Tell the truth!

I am going to tell the truth. The answer is YES. Assume I died and left a will leaving a percent for my mom to use until she died, and the bulk going to my 3 children. My will states who is the exec and how money should be dolled out to the heirs. I have some siblings who I leave out of my will. My kids are with my mom and my estate exec place all heirs in a home and pay the rent, security, and all expenses according to my will.

My siblings plot to have a share in my estate from the time I died. One day a group of them take one of my heirs away to a spa rather than to a place where my siblings were going to put on a show. They told my children my mom would be at the concert. Some of my siblings signed a letter saying my estate exec were acting fraudulently and the will was fake, and they were taking legal action.

Then my siblings kept my mom away from the children and did not let her call home for 10 days. My children, who are my other heirs, are frantically looking for my mother. My son tries to reach her and my sister would not allow it. They try to make my mom go along with whatever they were planning against my estate, which was to show my mom as incompetent and then take control of my estate, thus, depriving my children of their inheritance.

My mom's attorney and the police tried to contact my mom. Some of my siblings went to my children's home to take them away. My sister tried to take my child's phone away, and asked my children for their passports. My nephew and cousin had a fight in front of my children. Meanwhile my brother is sending messages making negative, false statements about my children's morals and behavior and another brother is making various inconsistent statements about where my mother is and about her health.

Eventually, my nephew talked to my mom and she sounded drugged. My children's lawyer, mom's lawyer, estate lawyers got involved and went to place a temp guardian in the home by appointing my nephew.

My mom then made a statement with her children saying things contrary to what was stated in the letter about the fraud. She does not mention how she was worried about my children. The judge ordered an outside investigator look at the safety of my children by interviewing them. Then my estate sent a letter barring all the signers and their offspring from coming back to my heir's dwelling because their actions placed my heirs in danger, and the legal right of my exec is to protect my heirs.

At that point, I the dead person, would rise from my grave and shake my exec hands.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Michael's children have a right to be comfortable in THEIR home without people they KNOW they can't trust invading their space, PERIOD. If Grandma won't protect them from that, someone should. They can have outings with their little cousins some place else. Ms Katherine can visit with and have family gatherings her own children any time...just some where else.

It's unfortunate, but it's for the best. If anyone is at fault, it's the banned adults. They should have thought about the best interest of the children instead of planning and plotting against THEIR father's estate executors.

As for Katherine buying any house, if I recall correctly, she allowed Joe to screw up her credit...? If she was capable of maintaining a proper household for the children, she could have done that at Hayvenhurst...but she did not, with ALL of those other folks up in there.
That's certaininly NOT the way Michael would have wanted it.

They should have the same peaceful environment(s) they had with their father...it is HIS estate that's providing for it!
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I don't have strong feelings for or against the executors, but I think that looks pretty bad. I assume the $11.8 M is for all 4 of them combined The executors were paid $4.05 M each, but Katherine and the kids only recieved $2.95 M each!

Didn't they put $30 million into their trust already. They are almost out of debt the estate and they were able to do that for Katherine and the kids already. The kids are going to be very wealthy when they get the estate at the age Michael wanted them to.

That's b/c the estate also paid Michael's loans. So the estate got a small percentage of total payments made on behalf of Michael and his beneficiaries. I don't think those numbers look bad. I think it's just that the loan payments were so large so if you don't include those, it's misleading.

@diana79 - you need to look to short term and long term combined and not focus on one part of it.

For example in February 2012 Estate were authorized to distribute $30 Million to the beneficiaries as well as purchase the current house for $10 Million. So next accounting will show $40 Million spent for the beneficiaries in addition to the regular allowance & expenses.

Furthermore Marabear & MJFan07 is right about the debt being paid. For example Mijac had $75 M loan debt on it, the current accounting says they paid $65 Million of it so Estate is paid more than $20 Million debt yearly on Mijac. Similarly Sony/ATV debt is being paid.

In the long run MJ's kids will inherit a billion dollar Estate. As I said in the long run Executors get 10% and beneficiaries get 90% of the incoming revenues and beneficiaries will get the principal assets. So they'll get a whole a lot than Executors will ever get.

I don't know, it seems like the estate shouldn't have that kind of power over the heirs. How can they determine if the heirs are really in danger? Yeah, Janet was overstepping her bounds as an aunt during the last week, but that doesn't mean that Janet's mere presence in the house would put anyone in danger, imo.

If TJ or the kids request the estate's assistance in controlling visitors, then I think that's fine (although I'm not sure that the estate's orders would hold up in court). But if the estate is acting on it's own, then I think that's too much.

The email was sent Wednesday, after 2 attempts to remove the kids - one by their relatives and second by a new security showing up- Estate has all the reason to be worried and to use their rights to protect the kids. There's nothing that shows that this is permanent or still ongoing. It was an emergency.


They should have the same rights we all have over our home. Even when you rent an apartment, you have rights by law.

In some places you are not allowed to have pets in your own apartment.For some people pets are their only family but they have not the right to have them with them.

I guess no one here has rented an apartment / house in USA. Let me give you some examples

- in some rental properties you can't smoke inside
- in some rental properties you can't have pets or have big sized pets
- in some rental properties you can't barbecue at the balcony and such
- in some rental properties you can't have more than a certain number of people inside the house, there are occupancy limitations
- in some rental properties you can't have loud music after a certain time of day
- in some rental properties kids cannot play outside without adult supervision.

Just renting a house doesn't give you unlimited rights, actually to the contrary you are very limited by the rules written in rental / lease agreement.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

The kids just saw Jermaine at the concert so it's not like they are banned from seeing them ever. I forgot about the new security team trying to get to the kids too.Luckily that didn't work either. If the kids and Katherine had been able to commnuicate when she was gone like they have before none of this would have happened. There was no good reason that Katherine and the kids should have had no communication for almost 2 weeks. She is their guardian. The jackson letter was one thing but isolating Katherine and the kids like that was wrong.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

I am going to tell the truth. The answer is YES. Assume I died and left a will leaving a percent for my mom to use until she died, and the bulk going to my 3 children. My will states who is the exec and how money should be dolled out to the heirs. I have some siblings who I leave out of my will. My kids are with my mom and my estate exec place all heirs in a home and pay the rent, security, and all expenses according to my will.

My siblings plot to have a share in my estate from the time I died. One day a group of them take one of my heirs away to a spa rather than to a place where my siblings were going to put on a show. They told my children my mom would be at the concert. Some of my siblings signed a letter saying my estate exec were acting fraudulently and the will was fake, and they were taking legal action.

Then my siblings kept my mom away from the children and did not let her call home for 10 days. My children, who are my other heirs, are frantically looking for my mother. My son tries to reach her and my sister would not allow it. They try to make my mom go along with whatever they were planning against my estate, which was to show my mom as incompetent and then take control of my estate, thus, depriving my children of their inheritance.

My mom's attorney and the police tried to contact my mom. Some of my siblings went to my children's home to take them away. My sister tried to take my child's phone away, and asked my children for their passports. My nephew and cousin had a fight in front of my children. Meanwhile my brother is sending messages making negative, false statements about my children's morals and behavior and another brother is making various inconsistent statements about where my mother is and about her health.

Eventually, my nephew talked to my mom and she sounded drugged. My children's lawyer, mom's lawyer, estate lawyers got involved and went to place a temp guardian in the home by appointing my nephew.

My mom then made a statement with her children saying things contrary to what was stated in the letter about the fraud. She does not mention how she was worried about my children. The judge ordered an outside investigator look at the safety of my children by interviewing them. Then my estate sent a letter barring all the signers and their offspring from coming back to my heir's dwelling because their actions placed my heirs in danger, and the legal right of my exec is to protect my heirs.

At that point, I the dead person, would rise from my grave and shake my exec hands.

LOL! And so would I!!! This post is brilliantly stated and makes things so clear even Stevie Wonder could see it!!!
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Me too Ivy I forgot about Janet's security asking where the children went to school. Well done estate exec.

By the way, the estate does not have to divide and conquer as I saw stated above, because the Jackson siblings have no legal standing in the estate, will not inherit, will not take charge of it. The estate does not have to ask the siblings for any permission to do anything in regards to Michael Jackson and his heirs. Therefore, the siblings legally are no threat to the estate, so the estate does not have to divide and conquer any of them. The estate is not taking over Jackson siblings property. The only reason the estate is dealing with siblings now is due to the threat to the heirs period.
 
http://www.x17online.com/celebritie...atherine_tj_jackson_michael_estate_072912.php

X17 EXCLUSIVE DETAILS - Howard Weitzman Writes Letter Stating Which Jackson Members Are Banned From Family Home, Katherine Jackson In Tears
Posted on Sun Jul 29, 2012 09:00 PM PDT

jacksoncourt010411_02_X17-230.jpgJanet, Randy, Rebbie and Jermaine Jackson have been barred from entering Katherine's Calabasas home, according to a letter allegedly written by Michael Jackson Estate lawyer, Howard Weitzman.

Weitzman, who represents co-executors John Branca and John McClain, reportedly sent the letter to Charles Schultz, TJ Jackson's attorney. The letter states:

“Given the circumstances of the last two weeks, and in order to protect the children and Mrs. Jackson, the Executors believe that it would not be appropriate to allow the following individuals to enter the residence or its grounds and we instruct the security to preclude the following from entering the residence or the grounds: Randy Jackson and any of his children, Janet Jackson, Rebbie Jackson and any of her children, Jermaine Jackson, his wife and any of his children, Janice Smith, or anyone else who was involved in the recent events that led to Mrs. Jackson’s separation from and inability to communicate with Michael’s children, or any agents or representatives of any of these individuals.

There will be no other security or drivers allowed on the property except those employed by the Estate of Michael Jackson. Joe Jackson is precluded from entering the property. Howard Mann who is in litigation against the Estate and is working with the Jackson siblings that wrote the “letter” should also not be allowed on the premises."

As for the "letter" being referenced ... it's the one sent to Branca and McClain by Janet, Jermaine, Randy, Rebbie and Tito Jackson ... asking that both men resign as executors of their brother's estate. In the letter, it claims the 2002 will is fraudulent.

Weitzman's alleged letter goes on to say:

“Of course, Paris, Prince and Blanket, T.J. and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, Jackie and their spouses, current security (hired by the Estate), staff (per T.J.), Meg Lodise, Michael Kane, Sandra Ribera, Parry Sanders, Trent Jackson, you (Charles Shultz) and anyone else authorized by T.J. (other than the Excluded Individuals listed above), may enter and remain on the premises.

It is imperative to the Estate that from this point forward a safe and appropriate environment be provided for Michael Jackson’s children and his mother as well."

A Jackson family source tells X17online exclusively:

"What kind of lawyer would deny a mother from seeing her own children. Katherine cried the first two days she came home. She told her assistant, 'They're taking everything from me.' They're denying her from hearing the truth. They're denying her family access to see her and trying to get her in court as fast as possible."


Friday, a judge ruled that Katherine will share guardianship duties of Michael's three children with her 34-year-old nephew, TJ Jackson.

Katherine's attorney, Perry Sanders Jr., clarified to X17online, that Katherine will still remain in control of the estate's finances, as well as the day-to-day activities of Paris, Prince and Blanket.

We've reached out to Howard Weitzman for comment.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Do we know if the letter is real? It probably came from Randy Jackson.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

It is not the family home. The home is being leased for the comfort of Michael Jackson's mother and his three kids. Not Randy or his children not Jermaine and his children. Get that in your empty water head Randy
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

For 10 days, they told her the truth, isolate her from the kids. Prince : "... after speaking with her I realized how misguided and how badly she was lied to."
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

If I had kids and my sister tried to take them behind my back or prevent me from talking to them when I was away, she would not be allowed to come to my home. To these kids Katherine disappeared on them and their family kept them in the dark and left them in a vulnerable situation. The kids lawyer had to notify the courts that their gaurdian was absent and they couldn't even talk to her on the phone. Jermaine said that anyone could talk to Katherine and that was a lie. The kids were not allowed to and that was wrong. The Jacksons have to take responisibilty for their actions. The estate didn't tell the kids she was going to a concert and then take her to a spa instead and then cut all communication with them. Even though they are family you can't do that. Katherine just saw Jermaine at the concert.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

meeh, I guess they don't realize that they can meet & see Katherine OUTSIDE of the property, remember like when she was at the Jacksons concert the other day where JERMAINE was present?
 
agibaba;3681630 said:
http://www.x17online.com/celebritie...atherine_tj_jackson_michael_estate_072912.php

X17 EXCLUSIVE DETAILS - Howard Weitzman Writes Letter Stating Which Jackson Members Are Banned From Family Home, Katherine Jackson In Tears
Posted on Sun Jul 29, 2012 09:00 PM PDT

jacksoncourt010411_02_X17-230.jpgJanet, Randy, Rebbie and Jermaine Jackson have been barred from entering Katherine's Calabasas home, according to a letter allegedly written by Michael Jackson Estate lawyer, Howard Weitzman.

Weitzman, who represents co-executors John Branca and John McClain, reportedly sent the letter to Charles Schultz, TJ Jackson's attorney. The letter states:

“Given the circumstances of the last two weeks, and in order to protect the children and Mrs. Jackson, the Executors believe that it would not be appropriate to allow the following individuals to enter the residence or its grounds and we instruct the security to preclude the following from entering the residence or the grounds: Randy Jackson and any of his children, Janet Jackson, Rebbie Jackson and any of her children, Jermaine Jackson, his wife and any of his children, Janice Smith, or anyone else who was involved in the recent events that led to Mrs. Jackson’s separation from and inability to communicate with Michael’s children, or any agents or representatives of any of these individuals.

There will be no other security or drivers allowed on the property except those employed by the Estate of Michael Jackson. Joe Jackson is precluded from entering the property. Howard Mann who is in litigation against the Estate and is working with the Jackson siblings that wrote the “letter” should also not be allowed on the premises."

As for the "letter" being referenced ... it's the one sent to Branca and McClain by Janet, Jermaine, Randy, Rebbie and Tito Jackson ... asking that both men resign as executors of their brother's estate. In the letter, it claims the 2002 will is fraudulent.

Weitzman's alleged letter goes on to say:

“Of course, Paris, Prince and Blanket, T.J. and his brothers, Tito, Marlon, Jackie and their spouses, current security (hired by the Estate), staff (per T.J.), Meg Lodise, Michael Kane, Sandra Ribera, Parry Sanders, Trent Jackson, you (Charles Shultz) and anyone else authorized by T.J. (other than the Excluded Individuals listed above), may enter and remain on the premises.

It is imperative to the Estate that from this point forward a safe and appropriate environment be provided for Michael Jackson’s children and his mother as well."

A Jackson family source tells X17online exclusively:

"What kind of lawyer would deny a mother from seeing her own children. Katherine cried the first two days she came home. She told her assistant, 'They're taking everything from me.' They're denying her from hearing the truth. They're denying her family access to see her and trying to get her in court as fast as possible."


Friday, a judge ruled that Katherine will share guardianship duties of Michael's three children with her 34-year-old nephew, TJ Jackson.

Katherine's attorney, Perry Sanders Jr., clarified to X17online, that Katherine will still remain in control of the estate's finances, as well as the day-to-day activities of Paris, Prince and Blanket.

We've reached out to Howard Weitzman for comment.



You mean when she was kidnapped I mean on vacation no one told her the truth then?
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Again, I will say this: This is all about control and divide and conquer. These jerks intend to put a huge wedge between Katherine and PPB and the rest of the Jackson family PERIOD! It's not about 'protecting the children'. What better way of exercising strong arm control and manipulation than making a division.

And for those of you who are getting ready to say "Well it's not Jackie, Tito, Marlon nor LaToya"; so what if they're not on the list on being barred? Did it ever occur that this barring also serves as a warning to the remaining Jackson 4 that "this can happen to you too if you get out of line (i.e. challenge us)?

This reminds me of what happened with Michael shortly before he died. This is disgusting!

And NO ONE on this board will sell me with the nonsense that Katherine, TJ, and PPJ wanted this---especially banning the children that had nothing to do with this!

AGAIN I ask: Would you like this happening to YOU and/or YOUR family? Tell the truth!

I would absolutely be horrified. Katherine has rights - the estate should not control her. I cannot believe any other family, especially in Hollywood would put up with this. If her lawyers do not stick up for her rights, I will be very suspicious that they are secretly in cahoots with the estate.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

meeh, I guess they don't realize that they can meet & see Katherine OUTSIDE of the property, remember like when she was at the Jacksons concert the other day where JERMAINE was present?


Exactly.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Why did it say "alleged letter" reportedly sent? Are they trying to cover their ass?
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

It is not the family home. The home is being leased for the comfort of Michael Jackson's mother and his three kids. Not Randy or his children not Jermaine and his children. Get that in your empty water head Randy

LOL! I think his head looks like a giant sized pumpkin.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

@diana79 - you need to look to short term and long term combined and not focus on one part of it.

For example in February 2012 Estate were authorized to distribute $30 Million to the beneficiaries as well as purchase the current house for $10 Million. So next accounting will show $40 Million spent for the beneficiaries in addition to the regular allowance & expenses.

Furthermore Marabear & MJFan07 is right about the debt being paid. For example Mijac had $75 M loan debt on it, the current accounting says they paid $65 Million of it so Estate is paid more than $20 Million debt yearly on Mijac. Similarly Sony/ATV debt is being paid.

In the long run MJ's kids will inherit a billion dollar Estate. As I said in the long run Executors get 10% and beneficiaries get 90% of the incoming revenues and beneficiaries will get the principal assets. So they'll get a whole a lot than Executors will ever get.

Thanks for the explanation.

The email was sent Wednesday, after 2 attempts to remove the kids - one by their relatives and second by a new security showing up- Estate has all the reason to be worried and to use their rights to protect the kids. There's nothing that shows that this is permanent or still ongoing. It was an emergency.

i don't know if you saw my previous post, where I said that it made sense to keep Randy, Janet, etc. away from the kids during the chaotic time when Katherine was out of communication, Randy was trying to get the kids on a plane, etc. So, I understand that it was an response to an emergency. I just disagree with the "banning" if it's still in effect now that a guardian is around, and if TJ and the kids didn't ask the estate for help (which we don't know).


I guess no one here has rented an apartment / house in USA. Let me give you some examples

- in some rental properties you can't smoke inside
- in some rental properties you can't have pets or have big sized pets
- in some rental properties you can't barbecue at the balcony and such
- in some rental properties you can't have more than a certain number of people inside the house, there are occupancy limitations
- in some rental properties you can't have loud music after a certain time of day
- in some rental properties kids cannot play outside without adult supervision.

Just renting a house doesn't give you unlimited rights, actually to the contrary you are very limited by the rules written in rental / lease agreement.

Should the estate be considered a landlord, though? In a rental situation, the ownership of the property is clear - the landlord owns the property. This is a much more complex situation.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

The judge wants to have the kids interviewed separately and make his own judgment of what is going on. The estate has to follow the law and they can only do what they legally they can do. They usually don't get involved in family matters or fights. But they have to make sure the kids are alright. If Michael's estate is valued at $1 billion and his children are inheriting it then their rights and inheritance needs to be protected. What is Michael's doesn't belong to the Jacksons. The estate is Michael and the executors work for him and follow his wishes. If Michael was alive and they separated him from his children then you know they would not be around his kids again. It is possible that Prince, Paris and Blanket don't want to see them at their home.
 
jrsfan;3681638 said:
I would absolutely be horrified. Katherine has rights - the estate should not control her. I cannot believe any other family, especially in Hollywood would put up with this. If her lawyers do not stick up for her rights, I will be very suspicious that they are secretly in cahoots with the estate.

Well according to a jackson family lackey on FB not only are we to be suspicious of her lawyers but the police, judges, AEG, Randy Phillips, MJ's security staff and many others including the Mason's, Illuminati and I’m sure little green men from outer space all conspiring together against the poor J family who are still grieving and loooved MJ so much wink, wink.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Well don't worry about it because it's false

1. In the long term Executors get paid 10% , 90% is put aside for Katherine and Mj's kids

2. In the short term second accounting shows that Executors were paid $8.1 M total ($4.05 M each) and Katherine and MJ's kids were paid $11.8 Million.

so however you roll the dice, Katherine and MJ's kids get more money than the Executors

I don't have strong feelings for or against the executors, but I think that looks pretty bad. I assume the $11.8 M is for all 4 of them combined The executors were paid $4.05 M each, but Katherine and the kids only recieved $2.95 M each!

Actually, if you take last years payments into account and the fact that $6.5 mil of the $11.8 mil is a loan, those numbers would look very different.

I think last year the family got around $9 million (about $4 million from that was to pay off the Hayvenhurst mortgage) and this year $11.8 million, so that's about $21 million altogether (including the Hayvenhurst mortgage and Katherine's loan).

The payment for the executors was about $18 million in the first accounting period, add to that the $8.1 million for the second, and that adds up to about $26 million so far.

And also, let's mention legal bills, last year the estate paid about $13 million to various law firms (including about $3 mil to Branca's firm), and I don't remember the exact figure from the first account, but it was in the $10 million range for that period as well, so I think it's safe to say that the lawyers working for the estate also recieved about the same amount as the family (and none of it are loans).

Not that I care how much the executors (or lawyers) make and of course they're entitled to a payment for their services, but if you're going to argue that the family gets more than the executors, that is not supported by the facts.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Contrary to what is claimed in the sensationalized X17 article (Randy's mouthpiece) the Estate did not deny Katherine from seeing any of her children. They just denied certain children of hers from entering the property THEY (the Estate) hire. She can meet them any time she wants outside the property.

Considering these people went to the property trying to take Michael's children and their passports (why did they need the passports?) I don't have any problem with this letter.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

Actually, if you take last years payments into account and the fact that $6.5 mil of the $11.8 mil is a loan, those numbers would look very different.

I think last year the family got around $9 million (about $4 million from that was to pay off the Hayvenhurst mortgage) and this year $11.8 million, so that's about $21 million altogether (including the Hayvenhurst mortgage and Katherine's loan).

The payment for the executors was about $18 million in the first accounting period, add to that the $8.1 million for the second, and that adds up to about $26 million so far.

And also, let's mention legal bills, last year the estate paid about $13 million to various law firms (including about $3 mil to Branca's firm), and I don't remember the exact figure from the first account, but it was in the $10 million range for that period as well, so I think it's safe to say that the lawyers working for the estate also recieved about the same amount as the family (and none of it are loans).

Not that I care how much the executors (or lawyers) make and of course they're entitled to a payment for their services, but if you're going to argue that the family gets more than the executors, that is not supported by the facts.

It is supported by the facts. The estate made around $475 million and if only $26 million went to the executors that sounds very fair to me. A judge would never allow executors to receive more than beneficiaries. That makes no sense. You are totally discounting that most of that $475 was used to pay Michael's debt, which is on behalf of Michael and his beneficiaries.
 
Re: Michael's mom reported missing /TJ temp Guardianship/Grandma's Home

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Lets try to stay on topic please _ This threads topic is Katherine missing the guardianship and what happened to the children and anything on going in that regard. I know its confusing becuase they all entertwine and are related but for the sake of organisation try to stay on topic as best you can, We have threads available for discussing finances of the estate, the Will and letter sent by siblings asking for resignation.
 
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