MJAN Open Letter to the Jackson Family - UPDATE MJAN 2nd Open letter PG 19 (Not a MJJC letter)

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Right now we are talking about whether we are respecting Michael's family. But why can't we ask them why they are not respecting Michael's wishes? His wish was his mother raise his children but I don't think he would want them on twitter, on Oprah, posing with grandpa's perfume bottle, working with a fake charity and then his kids under contract with someone who does porn. I know that living with the Jacksons some things for the children will change because things are different but the basic things Michael wanted for his kids should be kept as much as possible. To try at least.

Also he wished that Branca and Mcclain run his estate. Not his family but them yet his family try to undermine and cause unecessary trouble for them. Why can't they work with them or give a chance? They were condemened the second thye took over. Everytime they do this they are basically fighting against Michael. He created that estate. Maybe if the start showing respect towards Michael their own family in their actions and words then fans and others would show respect towards them.
 
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I understand all the points taken in the letter and I myself am very upset with the Jacksons
and how they use Michael and his children in the manner they do.

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Nobody is using Michael's children. Stop the paranoia. Look at the facts with love and not seeing evil in everything.
I find it regrettable question their love as parents.. It is obvious they love their son (Yes, even Joe).
Just see the look of Katherine expressing their pain ..


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Nobody is using Michael's children. Stop the paranoia. Look at the facts with love and not seeing evil in everything.
I find it regrettable question their love as parents.. It is obvious they love their son (Yes, even Joe).
Just see the look of Katherine expressing their pain ..

It is quite one thing to take umbrage with the tone of the MJAN letter and to be upset by the way some members speak about the Jackson family.

But it is quite another thing to even suggest that the Jackson family are totally blameless in this thing when the evidence has been clearly and concisely laid out in this thread and several others on this board. To even SUGGEST that some members of that family are not using Michael's children (something that would be abhorent to him!) is ludicrous.

While I concede that Mrs Jackson loved her son, I have yet to see any evidence that Joe Jackson saw that same son as anything more than a brand or proof of his own genius. It is not a matter of seeing evil everywhere. It is a matter of listening to the words out of his own mouth and his actions since before June 2009.
 
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Furthermore, Michael Jackson fans have looked at things with love in the past and will continue to do so in the future. But love is not blind!

I say again - context is everything.

Someone's actions may seem perfectly harmless and well-meaning until you get to understand the MOTIVATIONS behind their actions. And how do we divine those motivations? By looking at the pattern of behaviour! You can shrug off a one-off thing. Maybe even dismiss something when it happens twice. But after all you have to say to yourself "Whoa!" And that is what MJ fans have had to do - take a step back and evaluate.

Yes, some of us go overboard with how we raise our concerns and issues and it can be cruel and mean but it does not in any way negate the fact that Michael Jackson would have not wanted his children to be used and exploited because of who they are. He wanted them to have childhoods that allowed them to be loved and valued for themselves.
 
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I wish you'd stop defining Michael's children, and imposing your ideals on them. You seem to be missing the fact that they are still minors.

Is my opinion

love.....many love
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I think the only people going to be hurt by this letter are the children in the end. The family is all they have left now and to see the fans that their father loved take umbrage with the people that are raising them is a painful experience I'm sure. While we don't agree with most things the Jacksons have done in the past two years we do need to respect the fact that Michael's children love their family. I know we all want to see the children realize that they are being used and rebel against the family, but try to see it from their point of view. That family is the only thing the kids have left in the world. I think we need to respect that fact.
 
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Respect means not to offend, not to insult, not to judge without evidence.
To answer your question. They did nothing to be judged that way. They deserve respect because they are persons. And especially for being the family of the man we love, Michael Jackson.
Offenses against the family are based on assumptions and pre-judgments.

I do not know about this^^. Respect does not mean not to offend^^^. Also, people are judging with evidence. I think you need to read up more forum threads Maria, before giving these broad statements. There are people here who have hard evidence on the family's behavior and such evidence is spread all over, so either you are not looking or do not understand it.

Something you said that is correct is that "they deserve respect because they are persons." That is true, and they do get it because they are persons. However, they do not get it when they consistently make money deals by abusing Michael's legacy, fans, and his children. Its like respecting someone because they like you, but not respecting their cheating ways. You think that respect is always 100%, but it is not, and never is, so that is one faulty premise right there.

Your next point, simply because someone is in the family of the person you love, it does not mean you will like them, especially if their values, morals, ethics are different from yours. Sometimes you have no respect for them because their religion is different from yours. This is sad, but it is the reality. Sometimes you even have no respect if the politics is different, so this idea that loving one person means loving the family, is only something I hear on the forum--not out there in the outside world. Do you know how many couples marry, and the boy or girl's family will not talk to the son/daughter inlaw. This is the reality in the world, and we have to bring the reality out there into our discussions and analyses.
 
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Respect means not to offend, not to insult, not to judge without evidence.
To answer your question. They did nothing to be judged that way. They deserve respect because they are persons. And especially for being the family of the man we love, Michael Jackson.
Offenses against the family are based on assumptions and pre-judgments.

For some reason when I read posts like your I think of fans who think Michael exaggerated or outright lied about the abused he underwent growing up. I even remembered fans getting on Michael for talking about his family like that said he should had kept his feelings to himself. It always came down to: He should not tell the public, he should get professional help if true not talk about it to the media, his father helped him become 'Michael Jackson and he should be grateful, ect.

Yeah, the family is completely blameless for everything, silly me.
 
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MariaThere is evidence of their behavior; that is what was said in the post you quoted. The post does not include evidence because it is all over the forum already. You simply need to go and look at it. The opinions, therefore, are based on the evidence that some of us already have. That is why I am telling you to go and access that information and read it. You will see how much it enhances your knowledge and debates.
 
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MariaThere is evidence of their behavior; that is what was said in the post you quoted. The post does not include evidence because it is all over the forum already. You simply need to go and look at it. The opinions, therefore, are based on the evidence that some of us already have. That is why I am telling you to go and access that information and read it. You will see how much it enhances your knowledge and debates.

There is clearly no point in going back and forth with members like this. They will ignore proof, even when it's placed right under their nose. Reminds me of the quote, 'You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.' Cliche, but true.
 
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They are not evidence. These points of view.


If getting an 8 year old child, who has no claim to fame other than being Michael Jackson's son, to sign a belt, which was intended to be sold for some USD 1000 (that would have gone straight into grandpa and grandma's pockets) is not evidence of that child being used, then I don't know what is. The issue is not with evidence, or lack thereof, but you. You fail to see it for what it is.


The Michael Jackson Estate, run by Legal professionals, saw it and called them out on it. Are you saying their statement below was not due to the strong evidence this incident suggested on Michael's children being used untowardly?


So of course we called MJ estate lawyer Howard Weitzman, who said the belts were news to him and that the executors never authorized the sale. Weitzman says, "The Trustees of the Estate of Michael Jackson did not authorize the making or the sale of the Michael Jackson Tribute Belts." Weitzman continues, "We would never condone the use of Michael's children's signatures to promote the sale of merchandise."


Read more at ONTD: http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/47322455.html
 
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You are right Rhilo, but I noticed that she is a new member, plus there is some issue with the language, so I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, since she is civil. However, there comes a point when patience wears thin.
 
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I hope the Jacksons never see this letter.

looks like it was posted on some of their twitter pages

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You are right Rhilo, but I noticed that she is a new member, plus there is some issue with the language, so I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, since she is civil. However, there comes a point when patience wears thin.

I find Maria's quotes more amusing because she keeps invoking how much Michael loved his mother to say that we fans should shut and say nothing.

Yet, she doesn't respect her own son because how else can you justify the kids being on Oprah or his own mother calling his nose a tooth-pick on tv? Really, why can't we tell Mrs. Jackson to respect her son who clearly wouldn't want any of this?

Also you're wrong Maria. I listen to insults to my family like everyone else in the world and I won't defend them if those insults has merit. As my father always told me, you can't defend a fool forever because fools will eventually get you killed.
 
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I didn't want think the kids are being used but they are. You let the belt thing go and even Oprah I just thought well they were only on for a minute etc. But now it's too much. I don't think we should be seeing much of the kids as we have the last 2 years. When they are adults it will be a different story but for now they need to be kids. Some will say well they want to do it but they can't always do what they want. Sometimes it's better for them to be away from the spotlight for their own good. There is always going to be an interest in them just like Prince William and Harry because Diana was their mother. They were left alone and Michael's kids should be too.

Michael never used or treated his fans like what has been going on the last 2 years. I think Michael is not being respected and there is only so many times you let it go or give benefit of the doubt because it's his family. After awhile you don't want to accept it anymore. It doesn't feel right.
 
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I find Maria's quotes more amusing because she keeps invoking how much Michael loved his mother to say that we fans should shut and say nothing.

Yet, she doesn't respect her own son because how else can you justify the kids being on Oprah or his own mother calling his nose a tooth-pick on tv? Really, why can't we tell Mrs. Jackson to respect her son who clearly wouldn't want any of this?

Also you're wrong Maria. I listen to insults to my family like everyone else in the world and I won't defend them if those insults has merit. As my father always told me, you can't defend a fool forever because fools will eventually get you killed.


If only he knew, Michael would be horrified at the 180 degree turn his mother took on Oprah (with that comment). Before his death, Katherine Jackson defended her son, whenever the topic of plastic surgery was raised. This was a complete turnaround, and she knew how very sensitive Michael was to commentary on his face.

Through out his entire life, it was subject that was brought up to ridicule Michael. When he was younger, he was teased by his brothers and father. As he grew older, it was the media that demonized and laughed at his face. Only Michael will know the full length of the pain he suffered over this, but I'm sure his Mother was aware of his pain to an extent. Which is why it's all the more surprising that she, who had always defended him on that when he was alive, decided to take a 180 degree turn and criticize his appearance on Oprah, after his passing.
 
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You know I just read the neverland thread with the speech Michael gave on his birthday, and I had forgotten he said that his children were our children and the children of the world are our responsibility. It is like the village taking care of the child type of idea. So those who like to say Michael left his children in the care of his mother so butt out, should visit that thread. Of course the children have a guardian, but we as people should see that they are not exploited for money and abused in order for us to buy products. We would do the same for other people's children as well.

My feeling is that the Jacksons can do anything they want to. I only get involve in their behavior when they use Michael's name and his children to sell me something. Once they get me involved as a possible consumer, then it is my business.
 
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I'm torn about this.

I'm sick of the Jackson family exploiting Michael and his children for their own gain with disregard to what he stood for and what he wanted for his kids and for his legacy. They have been treating Michael as a cash cow all his life and they continue to do so.

People say we shouldn't criticize Katherine because it was Michael's will that she would raise the kids. That's true. I respect that. I don't like it when fans write things like we should contact Debbie and campaign for her to take over the kids. We don't know Debbie as a person and there is a reason why Michael didn't leave his kids to her. So I disagree when fans do that and I feel that as an invasion of privacy and a disrespect of Michael's will.

However, it's also Michael's will that he didn't leave anything to his family, except for some allowance to his mother. There's a reason for that too. He knew his family. He wanted his mother and kids to live well and to be cared for but he didn't want the rest of his family to live off his money and to exploit his legacy at the cost of his children.

So the criticism in this letter is justified, IMO. Maybe the style in it was written should have been a bit less confrontational, though I don't disagree with the content. On the other hand I don't think they would achieve anything with letters like this - whether it's confrontational or not. The Jackson family has always been like this. If even after his early death they are unable to reflect on what their behavior has done to Michael in life since he was a little child, they will never be able to reflect on it.

The only language they understand is money and attention. So it's up to us, fans, to stop giving them both! Stop following their twitter accounts, stop re-posting pics of the children on forums, stop paying attention to them and don't buy any product they put out. That's the only thing we can do to make them understand what we think of their behavior.
 
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I'm torn about this.

I'm sick of the Jackson family exploiting Michael and his children for their own gain with disregard to what he stood for and what he wanted for his kids and for his legacy. They have been treating Michael as a cash cow all his life and they continue to do so.

People say we shouldn't criticize Katherine because it was Michael's will that she would raise the kids. That's true. I respect that. I don't like it when fans write things like we should contact Debbie and campaign for her to take over the kids. We don't know Debbie as a person and there is a reason why Michael didn't leave his kids to her. So I disagree when fans do that and I feel that as an invasion of privacy and a disrespect of Michael's will.

However, it's also Michael's will that he didn't leave anything to his family, except for some allowance to his mother. There's a reason for that too. He knew his family. He wanted his mother and kids to live well and to be cared for but he didn't want the rest of his family to live off his money and to exploit his legacy at the cost of his children.

So the criticism in this letter is justified, IMO. Maybe the style in it was written should have been a bit less confrontational, though I don't disagree with the content. On the other hand I don't think they would achieve anything with letters like this - whether it's confrontational or not. The Jackson family has always been like this. If even after his early death they are unable to reflect on what their behavior has done to Michael in life since he was a little child, they will never be able to reflect on it.

The only language they understand is money and attention. So it's up to us, fans, to stop giving them both! Stop following their twitter accounts, stop re-posting pics of the children on forums, stop paying attention to them and don't buy any product they put out. That's the only thing we can do to make them understand what we think of their behavior.

I agree and applaude the last paragraph.

Just to repeat myself from much earlier in the thread, I agree with the points in the letter but I don't agree with the tone of it. And I still fell that some things would have been best unsaid.

IMO if you are going to write a letter like this then you have to balance it out in order for the recipient to be open to the criticism.
 
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^^ I agree. The Jacksons are already feeling attacked. This letter will just put them on the defense and make them less likely to listen to any other criticism later on.
 
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The only language they understand is money and attention. So it's up to us, fans, to stop giving them both! Stop following their twitter accounts, stop re-posting pics of the children on forums, stop paying attention to them and don't buy any product they put out. That's the only thing we can do to make them understand what we think of their behavior.

Absolutely true.
 
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^^ I agree. The Jacksons are already feeling attacked. This letter will just put them on the defense and make them less likely to listen to any other criticism later on.

Yeah, because they were listening to us so well before.

Even if you told them nicely they would either ignore us or tell us to shove our concerns up our butts. This site as well as many fansites wrote an open letter telling the family why we didn't support the tribute. Ivy and Gaz were both polite and didn't name call anyone. Yet, the family still let GL treat fans like crap and is even allow to blame fans for all the negative news about the tribute.

So, it isn't like fans didn't take the polite path before this letter happened.
 
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:swoon::no: This Letter is completely out of line..I don't understand why we are discussing some "group" called MJAN's personal attack on The Jackson's on our MJJCommunity anyway..We ARE not like them in anyway, we would NEVER do something like this because we are RESPECTFUL here ? We are not ASSOCIATED with this kind of disrespectful war with Michael's Family and NOT their Family..I hope none of Michael's children see this in our Community.. Let them see it on MJAN and BLOCK THEM !! They have earned that !!I keep thinking how would Michael's children react to how the MJAN is talking about the beloved Grandmother and Family that have ever known !! They will make their OWN choices in life and guess what not everyone of their fathers Fans are gonna like it, but it's NOT anyone's place to JUDGE them regardless !! To imply that the Children are stupid and manipulated in everything they do in their hearts for their FATHER is THEIR BUSINESS and will back fire on US !! How can you say you LOVE them unconditionally then write cruel JUDGEMENTS about who they LOVE ?? Why would they trust US, this letter will drive them to be even closer to the Grandmother and Mother their Father adored so much, to protect her from US !! Michael FORGAVE and LOVED his family.. Guardedly yes but LOVED just the same it's his Family not ours..We all love our Families it's natural, yes its so painful to find your family is so far from perfect..but God gave him this Family and no one should tear them down in front of his kids...Michael was BLESSED and he lived and loved perfectly the way he did, UNCONDITIONALLY..You have to chose are you A Michael Fan or a Jackson Family HATER ? You cannot be both !! For LOVE cannot exist in the same place as HATE !! Who gave MJAN the right to talk to MICHAEL'S FAMILY like that !! What gives anyone the right to do that to ANOTHER'S FAMILY ??? Because YOUR angry, because your frustrated, because you are so enraged by what they have done, have given yourself the right ?? All of the EXCUSES that have been to JUSTIFY themselves in addressing Michael's family is SHAMEFUL !! Do you really think anyone in Michael's Family will listen to such venom and heed it ? Do you think it will alienate the Fans from HIS Family and drive a wedge between us, that grows larger everyday when you chose to use words to HURT them, you give them the ammo they need to say we are ALL bitter and CRAZY ?? :wacko:

:unsure:Ask yourself this question would you talk like this to Michael's family if he was right in front of you ?? Do you think Michael would feel uncomfortable that HIS FANS have some how GRANTED themselves the right to tell HIS FAMILY what to do and not to do or what they think they should do ?? We don't make the decisions in their lives, to think we could and should make a difference and choose these words to accomplish that, truly concerns me !! I really don't understand why we are even discussing MJAN PERSONAL'S AXE with the Jacksons in our MJJCommunity anyway ?? I really don't want to be associated with this Group when the children see the words that so many want them to see and be hurt by ??? Or are the children so naive that they won't understand how to feel when you say that "They don't need them and insult their Grandma" ?? This is why this is NOT MJJCommunity related in anyway shape or form, it's such a slippery slope once we begin to JUDGE others and try to say it's about L.O.V.E !!! Michael would NEVER approve of any "group" talking to his family this way, you all know in your hearts that this is not right..It's not ok, it will never be ok, and I pray this Thread gets buried so we can talk about what is MJJCommuinty related to Michael and L.O.V.E not a ZEALOT group who have a GOD complex !! I am so sorry I am taking this Posting and Promotion of this "group" so serious !! I feel like it further puts seperation between MJ Fans on opposite sides of different opinions and not UNITED in our hearts for Michael as we should be against his real ENIMIES that we can CONQUOR !! Not defending a absolutely personal and hurtful written attack on The Jackson Family as a whole which 100% includes his children, as there is no seperation between THEM in their hearts ?? I guess it's GENIUS in away really, because if I wanted to be noticed I would totally find the BIGGIEST AWARD WINNING MICHAEL JACKSON FAN COMMUNITY to do it in, right !! Only the BEST will do..:angry: :doh:

:agree:Let's please keep in mind one thing this is not, I REPEAT is NOT an MJJCommunity mentality, I want to say we can speak for ourselves and don't need MJAN to WRITE the wrongs for us.. I encourage you all to write IN your own words, how you feel so you express yourself honestly and fully !! Send it to the Jacksons yourself ?? This way you will be accountable for words you use and not the words of a "group" you don't know !! As well it also eliminates the need to give MJAN any new MJ fans and building their fan base with you un-controlled feelings of anger?? For is this NOT exactly what they have done for you, by you and because of this JACKSON RAGE!! We need to do something cutting edge like Michael did,something so amazing and never seen before?? We need to PURGE the POISON of the anger and pain and rage from the inside MJ Fanbase, we have become so divided in so many different ways that we all cannot move to the next level of THE greatest Fans that there ever was for him !! I have said this before I will say it again, they have NOT seen , nor could they COMPREHEND the LOVE and lengths Michael Jacksons Fans will go to PROTECT, DEFEND and HONOR him.. No other Fans are bigger then the Us who love him.. We are going to shock the world with our unending LOVE and LOYALTY for him !! We first must do a not so small thing and that is to UNITE in our minds to do so... That means we be like MICHAEL... we do not act in anger..we do not disrespect ourselves by hurting others no matter what they do !! We are ONE, we are a Team, we are a Family.. We should act as one, one decisive collective for JUSTICE !! No more do I want to see any MJ Fan-mly memeber in fight against each other because we are different, not opposites !! We are ONE, I love you guys so much just because you love Michael and your out there, that's it..You don't have to do anything else..Just know that it was easy when Michael was around, we never had to guess where ALL our love and affections would go to !! Now we have to do the same thing with all this L.O.V.E we have for him on his CHILDREN...:agree::yes:

:agree::wub::angel:Michael wanted his children to see the loving world he held in his heart, we ARE the biggiest apart of this beautiful world he dreamed of, we are ONE with it.. heal the world we live in and save it for our children..if not us then who ? We cannot cause the children to feel any fear from us, this world they live in...it cannot come from US for no reason ever in life..what kind of impression would you like his children to feel about you when you have to use these kinds of words to show them WHO you are..The letter should have been written, shared with people who feel the same way then Posted on some site out there in the world, if you must but it should be put away or burned in some offering of LOVE to Michael..it should not be an opportunity to throw rocks at the children's FAMILY.. I will not force the children to have to decide between their FATHERS FANS and THEIR FATHERS FAMILY because that's what they will have to do if "groups" decide to make them, because of hatred directed at THEIR FAMILY!! They will defend their FAMILY over those who chose to hurt them..Michael had so much fear that was instilled in him by his father absolutely, but it was also from Fans who crossed the boundaries of appropriate measures..We scared Michael too he had good reasons to, so please let's not do this to his Children can you not see the pattern here...Please come together and chose to not let POISON come between us and our differences and emotions..I don't know why I said all this, I guess I felt in my spirit I had too..I hope and pray I have not alienated any of you because I did, I don't want to be alone in this LOVE for Michael because he created it in me and all I have is this LOVE for him in me that lives on in each and everyone of you, no matter if you agree with me or not !! Michael deserves MILLIONS, TRILLIONS AND ZILLIONS of Fans...each and every single one is counted for HIM not me..Thank you again for listening..I appreciate your patience and time..:flowers:
I Michael you all no matter what you decide
...:angel::wub::angel:


:scratch::bugeyed: OMG did someone say they Posted this Letter on Twitter ??? OMG NOOOOOOO !!! I want absolutely nothing to do with MJAN and their disgusting tactics to attack MICHAEL's family through his own Fan Base..I will not give them the attention they so obviously need to feel like they are exacting their own JUSTICE against the Jacksons and make them HURT more and do it in Michael's name..:(:no:

:angel::cry: Forgive US, God and Michael, Katherine , Prince, Paris, Blanket,for we truly do not know what we can do,to heal and deal with our PAIN please be more forgiving then we are..amen :boohoo::angel:

always
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MJ TinKerBell..... I am not the crying type, but i got misty-eyed reading your post. Touch all bases, you hit it out of the park.
 
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:flowers::ciao:Thank-you so much,max000 :swoon: I am happy I didn't lose you :bow::wub::cheers: but instead gained another Michael Fan-mly Memeber :angel::dancin::flowers:
please add me to yours :flowers::hug:



MJ TinKerBell..... I am not the crying type, but i got misty-eyed reading your post. Touch all bases, you hit it out of the park.
 
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Wow. MJ TinkerBell what a brilliant reply! Thank you for taking the time to write that, you explained in detail everything I was thinking.
 
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:flowers::ciao:Thank-you so much,KingMikeJ :swoon: I am happy I didn't lose you :bow::wub::cheers: but instead gained another Michael Fan-mly Memeber :angel::dancin::flowers:
please add me to yours :flowers::hug:



Wow. MJ TinkerBell what a brilliant reply! Thank you for taking the time to write that, you explained in detail everything I was thinking.
 
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