classic;3178521 said:
Question: Didn't Murray say that Michael requested the propofol or something of the sort as if they had an exchange about Michael not sleeping? If so, then when would this have happened with all the phone calls?
My point exactly. If we go by what he supposedly said (watched 10 minutes, then went to the bathroom for less than 2 minutes)...you get to 11:50 a.m....but the phone records show he was on the phone the whole time from 11:18 am on. So it woudl have been something like this:
Murray: *on the phone* Yeah...yeah....blah blah blah...oh yeah...hahahaha....yeah....blah blah blah....yeah....
MJ: *wakes up* Dr. Murray....
Murray: *still on the phone* Oh...hold on...my patient is awake....*to MJ* Yes, Michael?
MJ: I can't sleep....give me Propofol
Murray: *holding the cell phone while talking to MJ* Uhm....no...are you sure...you shouldn't....
MJ: I can't sleep...really...give it to me...I want it....I won't discuss it...give it to me....
Murray: Well, okay then....*gets syringe and vial....injects Propofol....*
Murray: Okay....back...sorry...had to give my patient something to get him to sleep again....Yeah, so as I was saying...blah blah...blah blah.....
*10 minutes goes by*
Murray: *still on the phone* Man, I gotta pee really bad.....So anyways...what were you saying...*goes to the bathroom and pees while on the phone*
uke:
*enters the room....sees MJ is not breathing* OH F**!!!!!!! I gotta go!!!!
:doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:
And if it was NOT like that....then WHEN did he give Michael Propofol? And WHEN did he leave MJ alone? And let's not forget he insists MJ had injected himself....while he was gone for 2 minutes. So the 2 minutes he was gone would HAVE to have been right before 12:05 am.
Ingelief;3178543 said:
but if summer is right *you are* i mean that means that he could not have give mj propofol when he said he did?
when is a time when he was not on a phone then he could give mj propofol and get back to calling again..
that means at least 1 hour dead???
Yup. That's what I meant. And that would go with what the EMTs said too about when they thought MJ died.
PCR;3178553 said:
you are totally right on your account. He is lying big HUGE time here. I just wonder what they will say to try to deny all this massive evidence against him. Really, I see no way for him to be considered "not guilty". Is he crazy or what?? Saying he is "not guilty" is just as sickeing as his saying he loves Katherine as much as his mother.
Really!!!! Disturbing!!
uke:
Yeah, there is NO WAY he will get a "not guilty" verdic. They said on CNN that this will definately go into trial if there is no plea bargain. I hope there isn't a plea bargain. I want Murray to get the whole 4 years. Even though if he was smart (which he obviously isn't, just like Chernoff neither), he'd be asking for a plea bargain right about now. All the witnesses so far have said VERY serious and bad things about him. The caseis pretty much already closed just by what the few witnesses has said now. And let's not forget there are about over 20 still to come!!! :clapping:
ginvid;3178556 said:
@ Ingelief We have to remember we don't have a timeline from the defense yet. The timeline we do have, Murray's defense team says was from the police and was not accurate. So we don't know at what time Murray will say he gave MJ propofol yet.
Doesn't really matter because with the phone records he is already pretty much doomed one way or the other.....If he says he gave it just shortly before noon...he is doomed because he will pretty much admit to being on the phone the whole time while discussing a SERIOUS decision about a SERIOUS drug with a client...and also he will admit to injecting a client with a very dangerous drug while ON THE PHONE....And if he will say he injected it earlier....it will be very difficult to believe he was monitoring MJ properly if he was on the phone the whole time and that MJ would get in such a state while he was watching him the whole time. AND....that MJ would ALL OF THE SUDDEN wake up and be alert enough to get up to get a syringe and a vial and get the drug out of the vial and inject himself...all tasks that require coordination.
elusive moonwalker;3178557 said:
thanks to bowen
MJJC Twitter:
Michelle Cooper UCLA doctor was in charge of taking care of Michael when he arrived
When Michael arrived no pulse no responce
Doctor ask murray what happened, he said he gave to Loz in morning
Breaking News - Murray says to doctor he WITNESSED Michaels cardiac arrest
Doctor at no point felt a pulse
There was confusion in room that some thought they felt a pulse (@ 1.22pm)
No signs of life and time of prenouncement of death was registered as 2.26.
I'm listening to the stream now...
Murray told Cooper that he saw MJ stop breathing
I bet it was MURRAY again who insisted he felt a pulse. I mean, he HAS to say that to make it look like MJ had not been dead for ages....
Murray saw MJ stop breathing? Really? Interesting. And instead of giving mouth to mouth...instead of calling 911...he LEAVES Michael for at least 10 minutes???????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!!!! And this is a CARDIOLOGIST we are talking about!!!!!
ivy;3178558 said:
UCLA Docs -- Michael Was DOA
Two doctors from the UCLA Medical Center testified ... Michael Jackson was dead on arrival, yet Dr. Murray told them "not to give up easily and try to save the patient."
Dr. Richelle Cooper testified when Jackson arrived at UCLA there was "no signs of life."
Dr. Cooper added Murray was not forthcoming about the drugs administered to MJ. Cooper says Murray copped to giving Michael lorezapam, but made no mention of Propofol.
And this was interesting. Cooper says MJ weighed 136 lbs.
Dr. Thao Nguyen testified Dr. Murray denied giving MIchael any sedatives or narcotcs.
elusive moonwalker;3178580 said:
if he said he witnessed mj going into CA that pretty much means mj couldnt have self injected imo as it would have happened straight away
ontop of all the other timings
But didn't Murray insist he felt a pulse? So which one is it? Was MJ in cardiac arrest or did he have a pulse? Did he witness MJ stop breathing, or did he find MJ who was already not breathing? That's the problem when one is lying....you can't keep your story straight. -_-
ScrEAm.Jack5on;3178600 said:
dr cooper said it was hard to get info from murray
murray said mj was in usual health but tired and dehydrated
murray said he gave mj lorazepam in the morning
dr cooper said that the amount of lorazepam given was not enough for a man of mjs size.
murray said he witnessed mj's arrest
murray said mj on flomax, valium prescriptions
murray did not mention propofol
no signs of life on arrival.
on cross- exam -
someone felt a pulse at 1.22, more cpr was given, dr cooper never felt the pulse herself
there's more but hard to keep up & take notes
SOMEONE felt a pulse....I bet my bottom dollar that "someoe" was Murray....:doh:
ivy;3178603 said:
Trials and Tribulations is following Murray Prelim and they are taking detailed notes.They are also making updates from the court. They do not wish their full notes to be copied and posted so as they post a update I'll go through and make a summary here. If you want to read their full posts you can visit
Trials and Tribulationwebsite.
Dr. Cooper
- Dr. Cooper gave the paramedics permission to pronounce MJ dead at 12:57. Dr. Cooper told for the transport Murray had to take over the control and be with the patient.
- When they come to the hospital Murray tells MJ had trouble sleeping and dehydrated, gave him lorezapeam, witnessed the cardiac arrest.
- Dr. Cooper asks if there were any chest pain before cardiac arrest, Murray says no.
- Murray mentions Flomax and Valium.
- Dr. Cooper says MJ was DOA still tried to revive him, they worked on MJ for 1 hour 26 minutes.
- Dr. Cooper also asked Murray about recreational drug use.
- Dr. Cooper gets asked a lot of questions about propofol and it's usage. Cooper says "Protocol requires certain monitoring to administer propofol. There needs to be equipment available to monitor the airway. There must be heart monitoring. There has to be a staff person available as their only job to monitor the euqipment/patient.
So that the patient doesn’t die"
- Cross examination Dr. Cooper is asked if she knew Murray given MJ propofol it would have made any difference in her treatment. She says no, she was treating cardiac arrest.
Dr. Thao Nguyen
- She is a cardiologist and is called to the ER by Dr. Cooper.
- She says Murray never mentioned Propofol or benzodiazapine medications.
- Murray also tells her that MJ was getting ready for a tour, had trouble sleeping and he gave him 4 miligrams of adavan (mirazapam) via IV.
- Murray tells he doesn't have a watch and he doesn't know how long MJ was down. Murray couldn't give an estimate about when the drug was injected and how long MJ was down.
- She does balloon pump. An agreement was made with Dr. Murray that if the balloon pump failed, then they would call the time of death.
THese doctors are doing a good job. Loved Dr. Coopers "So that the patient doesn't die" comment! :clapping: Bet she was looking straight at MURRAY when she said it!
And Murray didn't have a watch...didn't know WHEN he gave the drug??? Reckless behavior alert!!! You are SUPPOSED to document when you give it or at least KNOW and LOOK AT A CLOCK ad notice the time!!! DUMBASS!!!
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