Preliminary Hearing 6/1/11 Day Three. Discussion thread

[Autumn II]

If there is one thing I am not is a conspiracy theorist. And up to today I did consider the 'OMG what have I done, let me cover my ass' possibility. And certainly there is evidence to show quite clearly that Murray was committed to covering his ass.

But after today, I don't know there is something malevolent about Murray's actions to me ... I am still sorting things out in my mind.

Yes. Malevolent. . . . . If you put the whole pattern together, including the "reading the riot act" where he allegedly SHOUTED at Michael, that doesn't exactly point to the kindly personal physician? Does it?

The testimony has been so much WORSE than I even imagined. Much worse. . . .

A petition will be going up in the "Press Release" thread. Probably tomorrow morning (if not late this evening). Watch for it, please.

 

[xthunderx2]

Yes. Malevolent. . . . . If you put the whole pattern together, including the "reading the riot act" where he allegedly SHOUTED at Michael, that doesn't exactly point to the kindly personal physician? Does it?

The testimony has been so much WORSE than I even imagined. Much worse. . . .

A petition will be going up in the "Press Release" thread. Probably tomorrow morning (if not late this evening). Watch for it, please.

Murray is a poor excuse for a doctor.....this is VERY hard to take..poor Michael what he went through.....I WILL be signing that petition!!

 

[TheChosenOne]

Yes. Malevolent. . . . . If you put the whole pattern together, including the "reading the riot act" where he allegedly SHOUTED at Michael, that doesn't exactly point to the kindly personal physician? Does it?

The testimony has been so much WORSE than I even imagined. Much worse. . . .

A petition will be going up in the "Press Release" thread. Probably tomorrow morning (if not late this evening). Watch for it, please.

Thanks, Autumn II. Will look for that.

I am still mulling things over re Murray. May open a separate thread.

 

[ilmjj]

Murray is a poor excuse for a doctor.....this is VERY hard to take..poor Michael what he went through.....I WILL be signing that petition!!

I can hardly take this. The calendar says 01/06/11 but I feel like it is 06/25/2009. I am crying like it is anyway.

You are so right. When I think what Michael went through in life with the tabloid media hunting him for sport. How he survived it and still loving us all make me so proud of him. If I would have lived his life they would have broken me into a million pieces but Michael was so strong.

It is killing me to think he wasn't given peace even in his final moments. I want to blast Murray into the atmosphere!!

I pray every day that the angels were there to show him the way home. I do believe they were. He was after all one of them...

Thank you Ivy:wub:

 

[Justthefacts]

Let's focus on the doctor's testimony today please



In someone of MJ's weight 60mg could produce sedation. Sometimes it happened

.
60mg generally lasts 10 to 20 minutes
Flagan made his calculations and figured out less than half of that amount (25 mg) would 5 to 10 mintues ( not true by the way)

 

[StacyJ]

if giving 25 mg only lasts 5-10 minutes what exactly was Murray trying to do? that doesn't make a bit of sense. And since he was chatting on the phone constantly he has no clue what was going on with MJ.

 

[wendy2004]

Tired and completely disgusted. This is beyond even my wild expectations.

Texting?! Two phones??! I remember hearing a rumor about two phones but now it's been confirmed.

Seems clear to me that Murray had no intention of calling 911 until he had a chance to put on his attempted rescue show for Security and the kids.
It was not his intention to call 911 before then. So having 2 cellphones and no working landline are bs excuses to me. Didn't Alvarez say when he arrived Murray was upstairs hanging over the railing? Why wasn't he in the room with Michael giving CPR or administering something helpful in an attempt to try and revive him? He left the body cuz he KNEW Michael was dead already and no amount of rescue breaths (that he only did cuz MJ was his friend) and chest compressions was going to help. Michael was beyond help at the point. Both Security and EMTs thought so on sight.

My thing has always been did this happen by accident or on purpose. At what point does it go from a tragic mistake and stupid cover-up to malice and sociopathic behavior. Delaying help, breaking needles, cleaning up/hiding evidence, not telling medical personnel the truth about what he gave. And still, to this day, having the GALL to act as if he did everything right and appropriate is too much.

He screwed up before help came and even when it did arrive, he BROKE A NEEDLE in Michael's calf. Incompetent (or purposely interfering) right in front of the EMTs' faces. Damn.

Michael could not be this unlucky. And the idea that he may have been in physical distress (gasping for air or whatever) versus being unconscious and simply not waking up is just......



Three days in and already this is hard. And I thought the defense part would be the hardest. This is crazy! It's like the worst some of us have speculated about is coming true x 100. UN-REAL!

Thanks to Ivy and anyone else who contributed for the updates.

 

[xthunderx2]

Tired and completely disgusted. This is beyond even my wild expectations.

Texting?! Two phones??! I remember hearing a rumor about two phones but now it's been confirmed.

Seems clear to me that Murray had no intention of calling 911 until he had a chance to put on his attempted rescue show for Security and the kids.
It was not his intention to call 911 before then. So having 2 cellphones and no working landline are bs excuses to me. Didn't Alvarez say when he arrived Murray was upstairs hanging over the railing? Why wasn't he in the room with Michael giving CPR or administering something helpful in an attempt to try and revive him? He left the body cuz he KNEW Michael was dead already and no amount of rescue breaths (that he only did cuz MJ was his friend) and chest compressions was going to help. Michael was beyond help at the point. Both Security and EMTs thought so on sight.

My thing has always been did this happen by accident or on purpose. At what point does it go from a tragic mistake and stupid cover-up to malice and sociopathic behavior. Delaying help, breaking needles, cleaning up/hiding evidence, not telling medical personnel the truth about what he gave. And still, to this day, having the GALL to act as if he did everything right and appropriate is too much.

He screwed up before help came and even when it did arrive, he BROKE A NEEDLE in Michael's calf. Incompetent right in front of the EMTs' faces. Damn.

Michael could not be this unlucky. And the idea that he may have been in physical distress (gasping for air or whatever) versus being unconscious and simply not waking up is just......



Three days in and already this is hard. And I thought the defense part would be the hardest. This is crazy! It's like the worst some of us have speculated about is coming true x 100. UN-REAL!

Thanks to Ivy and anyone else who contributed for the updates.

that last and final stunt that Murray pulled right there...should be enough to tell the judge and jury and everyone else that Murry didn't want Michael to EVER be saved..IMO To break a needle in his leg..the one that they were trying to use to push the heart med into. He disgusts me.

 

[ivy]

CNN In Session

Dr. Richelle Cooper is the 10th witness to take the stand.

Dr. Cooper is an attending physician at UCLA Hospital and was working as an ER doctor the day that MJ was brought to the hospital.

Dr. Cooper says the estimated time of MJ cardiac arrest was 12:18 p.m.

Cooper gave permission to pronounce MJ dead at 12:57 p.m. but was told that MJ personal doc wanted to continue with life saving efforts.

Dr. Cooper testifies MJ, Murray and emergency personnel got to the ER around 1:13 p.m.

Dr. Cooper says Murray informed her that he’d given MJ Lorazepam and that MJ 'takes Valium and Flomax'

Cooper says even though she thought MJ was dead when he arrived to the ER, efforts to revive him went on for about an hour and 13 minutes.

Dr. Cooper says Murray never told her he’d given Jackson propofol.

On cross Cooper tells defense attorney J. Michael Flanagan even if she'd known MJ was given Propofol it wouldn’t have altered ER treatment.

The 11th witness is Dr. Thao Nguyen - a cardiology fellow at UCLA.

Dr. Nguyen was in the ER the day MJ was brought in. She remembers seeing Conrad Murray there as well.

Dr. Nguyen says while they were in the ER, Murray told her MJ had difficulty sleeping and he’d given him Lorazepam - no other meds.

Nguyen testifies Murray told her he found MJ not breathing but he couldn’t remember the time.

Nguyen says Murray’s exact words were he ‘did not have any concept of time’ which is why he was unable to say when MJ stopped breathing.

On cross examination Nguyen describes Murray as appearing devastated in the ER.

Cooper officially pronounced MJ dead at 2:26 p.m.

The 12th witness to take the stand is Dan Myers – a senior homicide detective with the LAPD.

Myers was one of the lead investigators into MJ death.

Myers went through Conrad Murray AT&T and Nextel cell phone records to identify the people whose numbers were indicated in the records.

Court is in recess. Dan Myers' testimony will continue tomorrow.

 

[Soundmind]

Just in case any one has any doubt the defence will portray MJ as a junkie , this pic is for you and it's also dedicated to Janet, Randy, Katherine, Joe and Rebbie Jackson and their supporters 'enjoy' your good work :clapping:

In the war room of the defense team representing Dr. Conrad Murray, boxes and notebooks are filled with discoveries provided by Los Angeles prosecutors, and a dry erase board lists other doctors from around the world who also treated the pop star. (Photo by Michael Cary/CNN)

 

[xthunderx2]

thank you so much for all this Ivy..

 

[summer]

Let's focus on the doctor's testimony today please



In someone of MJ's weight 60mg could produce sedation. Sometimes it happened

.
60mg generally lasts 10 to 20 minutes
Flagan made his calculations and figured out less than half of that amount (25 mg) would 5 to 10 mintues ( not true by the way)

EDIT: Somehow it left out the bit I was actually trying to quote about them insisting it was given as a drip. :doh:


Good luck trying to give 25 mg of Propofol as a DRIP. :lol: :lol: 25mg is 2,5ml....you'd need about ten times that to even be able to fill the TUBE coming from the bag/bottle first!:doh: It would make absolutely NO SENSE....Besides you do not START with a drip...you START with a bolus. Lawd! :doh::doh::doh: But....let them continue....because the more the defense talks, the worse it gets for Murray, because they make absolutely no sense and the more they talk, the more their stories change, so it will be even easier for the prosecution to catch them with their own inconsistancies! :kickass: :clapping:

Look at post #5 here:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101580

Senneff:



That's still at the house.

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And look at the first post here on this page:

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=101580&page=2

Dr. Thao Nguyen:



That's at the emergency room. So I guess both pumps mentioned in here were used.

Seneff intubated Michael, that means that he put a tube down MJ's throat to get oxygen into his lungs. You attach an ambu bag to the tube to pump air in manually. The thing Dr. Ngyen was talking about is something you insert into the heart through an artery, I'd assume, to help the heart to pump...


Something interesting from an "old" document from Smoking Gun....Remember the police documents about the investigation and what Murray told them about what happened? (Not what he "supposedly" told them....he was there with his LAWYERS...and these are police records....)

Go here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/anesthetic-killed-jackson

Click on the picture left where it says "click on document" and go to page 4 and read from that page on.

What is interesting, is that Murray is giving them pretty exact times when he gave MJ the other drugs and pretty exact doses....but then once at the hospital he says he can't give any times because he doesn't have a watch. So...how was he able to remember all of that so well and the exact times...but not at the hospital? (Also how was he able to tell the EMTs it just happened a minute ago...but at the hospital he all of the sudden has "no sense of time"...?)

Also what is EXTREMELY interesting to me is the Anexate!!! WHEN did Murray have time to give that??!! Also, the ER doctors specifically discussed that in their testimony about asking if ANYONE had given MJ something to reverse the benzos effect....and they said no....But Murray HAD given Anexate....he told the police he gave it. Which makes the timeline even MORE interesting...

BECAUSE....Murray said he gave MJ 25 mg of Propofol at 10:40 a.m....then watched him for 10 minutes...then went to the bathroom and was away 2 minutes MAX. Then came back and found MJ not breathing. He then gave MJ Anexate...then called Amir FOR HELP (how he could assist him when MJ is NOT BREATHING, is beyond me...unless Amir is a nurse/doctor and we don't know it)...and then because they didn't immediately respond he ran downstairs to get Prince and security...but still didn't call 911. Murray said he found MJ approximately around 11 am....But that's over an HOUR before 911 was called. So...okay...let's say he got confused with the time and he gave MJ Propofol 11:40am...watched 10 minutes...got back around 12....Then we again have the problem that he was on the PHONE while (and not only WHILE...but had been for about 20 minutes PRIOR!!!)and according to him he was discussing Propofol with MJ, but still on the phone all that time and also WHILE INJECTING Michael with it...AND....here comes the thing...He ends his call (and comes back from the bathroom...:mello at 12:02 p.m...So..he sees MJ is not breathing...he gives Anexate...but won't call Amir until 12:13 pm? Also...WHY does he not tell the paramedics nor the doctors at the ER that he gave ANEXATE??!! Especially if he is trying to tell everyone that MJ injected himself and "he didn't know what happened"...then why not say you gave that? Why only tell the police when you HAVE to because they found your bottles.

WHICH is another interesting fact....Remember Alberto said Murray wanted him to put all bottles in the bag...remember the EMT said he saw Murray grab the lidocaine bottles and put them in a bag....remember Murray tried to get back to the house...And what did the police find in his bag? Anexate...LIDOCAINE.....PROPOFOL....and coincidentally all the other drugs he had given MJ....:mello:

Anyways...ead the police report...it's a good read. Especially now with the phone records and with the testimonies from the ER doctors it gets even more interesting than before. No matter what way you turn it, it makes Murray look bad....very very bad....like to a point of no return kind of bad....I see jail time in Murray's near future. :fortuneteller:

 

[wendy2004]

what was so interesting about it? Is LaToya just as heartbroken as we are?

The only thing I personally found interesting today was the reference to Murray sending/receiving texts during the time was supposed to have found Michael not breathing. That was something we hadn't heard before, right?). And the confirmation about the 2 phones.

Who knows what those texts will turn up if/when the Pros. gets access to them. Could be nothing...could be a doozy.

 

[Justthefacts]

Just in case any one has any doubt the defence will portray MJ as a junkie , this pic is for you and it's also dedicated to Janet, Randy, Katherine, Joe and Rebbie Jackson and their supporters 'enjoy' your good work :clapping:

In the war room of the defense team representing Dr. Conrad Murray, boxes and notebooks are filled with discoveries provided by Los Angeles prosecutors, and a dry erase board lists other doctors from around the world who also treated the pop star. (Photo by Michael Cary/CNN)

But here is the thing none of these doctors will admit to feeding an addiction. Klein is a fool but he along with the rest of these doctors were never charged with given Michael anything he did not need. As long as they say they were treating Michael for this and that and have records to back it up Murray can't even began to say they were feeding an addiction

 

[Soundmind]

summer, in the search warrant the ER doctors said Murray told them he gave flumazenil to reverse the lorazepam effect. I'm sure.They did detect flumazenil in one of the syringes along with propofol and lidocaine traces. Also I think they detected it in the short tubing. But it was not in MJ's system. Another indication MJ was already dead, else if MJ had a pulse when Murray realised he was not breathing ( Murray's words) then flumazenil would have been detected in his system.right?

 

[Milka]

Something interesting from an "old" document from Smoking Gun....Remember the police documents about the investigation and what Murray told them about what happened? (Not what he "supposedly" told them....he was there with his LAWYERS...and these are police records....)

Go here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/celebrity/anesthetic-killed-jackson

Thanks, have to read this tomorrow, but with what you have posted and with what we heard the last 3 days - the guy is toast.

I am still mulling things over re Murray. May open a separate thread.

Please do, I know what you mean, this is beginning to look like a lot more than I initially thought.

 

[riviera1992]

im sorry but isnt it a fact now that he didnt call his girlfriend before in the ambulance? of the testimony today?

because that means if she said that back then she lied for him

Were these reports from both cell phones convos or just one?

With so many lies involved, who knows?

 

[summer]

summer, in the search warrant the ER doctors said Murray told them he gave flumazenil to reverse the lorazepam effect. I'm sure.They did detect flumazenil in one of the syringes along with propofol and lidocaine traces. Also I think they detected it in the short tubing. But it was not in MJ's system. Another indication MJ was already dead, else if MJ had a pulse when Murray realised he was not breathing ( Murray's words) then flumazenil would have been detected in his system.right?

Can you find a quote or a document where it says that? I only found it in the police report when they asked Murray where he said he gave MJ Anexate. And if it was found or not in MJ's body...well, not sure if they actually ever even tested for that...?

 

[PrincessMichaela]

Just in case any one has any doubt the defence will portray MJ as a junkie , this pic is for you and it's also dedicated to Janet, Randy, Katherine, Joe and Rebbie Jackson and their supporters 'enjoy' your good work :clapping:

In the war room of the defense team representing Dr. Conrad Murray, boxes and notebooks are filled with discoveries provided by Los Angeles prosecutors, and a dry erase board lists other doctors from around the world who also treated the pop star. (Photo by Michael Cary/CNN)

Oh my God. What does that have to do with anything?
Did they not...
1) Read the autopsy
2) Read the tox report
3) Comprehend info regarding the prescriptions
4) Process the fact that Murray gave him too much Propofol and then didn't save him?

I still just don't get it. Even IF Michael was the biggest recreational druggie on the planet, it would change nothing. His system was clean at the time and that's not what killed him. Facts are facts. Nothing they find or come up with will change that.

It's very simple. There really doesn't even need to be a trial. By Murray's own admissions, they have a hell of a lot more info than they need to put him away. It's crazy.

I'm curious to see where they're going with that diagram. So what? That proves nothing.

How do we even know the pic is real? It seems too obvious to me...

 

[Soundmind]

Evidence in the bedroom support the injection. Murray's biggest problem is going to be the coroner. Because if he keeps saying he only gave Michael 25 milgrams of Propofol then how come Michael had it in his urine and in the urine the found in the house?

We made one big mistake. We intially assumed Murray or the detectives got this statement " at 10:40 am he started to give propofol via an IV drip" wrong . Yes we did.

Murray had his cell phones, he knew the exact timing of all the "missed calls", the "received calls", and "dialed calls" . He knew all that in advance , that "10:40 am" did not come out of no where. He picked a minute he was not on the phone and he was forced to chose it that early cus from his phone's records he knew he was calling people nonstop so how he would later when the phone calls come into question explain how he withdraw liquids and "infused" them for MINUTES while he was on the phone?

The dose he gave at 10:40am , would have reached the blader by the time MJ died ( assuming he indeed died while Murray was talking to his bitch in Houston) BUT the urine concentration indicates a HIGHER dose than 25mg.

As for the urine at the scene , he had no explanation for that whatever.

 

[FUJON]

Something like that can be done only on purpose.

 

[Soundmind]

Can you find a quote or a document where it says that? I only found it in the police report when they asked Murray where he said he gave MJ Anexate. And if it was found or not in MJ's body...well, not sure if they actually ever even tested for that...?

in the evidence summary, they mention flumazenil in one of the syringes, not sure which one the broken or the one found in his bag, the autopsy report.


I can't find the search warrant sorry, but I do remember it was mentioned and I at some point had an argument with the infamouse Beachlover over it. I believe in the search warrant they mention the UCLA doctors TWICE , in one of them they talk about flumazinel.

They did not test for it? maybe.

 

[Milka]

Just found this, appears to be from August 28, 2009:

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-08-28/...razepam-lidocaine-and-ephedrine?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

Look at page 2 as well:

Murray told detectives he had been treating Jackson for insomnia for six weeks, giving him 50 milligrams of propofol, the generic name for Diprivan, diluted with the anesthetic lidocaine every night via an intravenous drip, the affidavit said.

50 mg?

And on page 1:

"Other drugs detected were: midazolam, diazepam, lidocaine and ephedrine."

Why the ephedrine?

P.S. There you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephedrine

Ephedrine (not to be confused with ephedrone) is a sympathomimetic amine commonly used as a stimulant, appetite suppressant, concentration aid, decongestant, and to treat hypotension associated with anaesthesia.

:bugeyed

 

[wendy2004]

But here is the thing none of these doctors will admit to feeding an addiction. Klein is a fool but he along with the rest of these doctors were never charged with given Michael anything he did not need. As long as they say they were treating Michael for this and that and have records to back it up Murray can't even began to say they were feeding an addiction

I agree....unless one of the docs from the past have an axe to grind.

Metzger, Klein and Adams are still very much in practice. Ratner and Farschian (sp) are wild cards. Who knows WHAT Ratner is going to testify to beyond alleged propofol administration during History tour. He has a not-so-pristine history and had issues with his license at one point. Farschian, the herbalist, was allegedly trying to get MJ off of meds he was dependent on (not necessarily addicted) using natural methods. He later sued Michael for a million dollars for these herbs/vitamins, etc. And Etok....another wild card with some possible credibility issues.

To be honest, I'm starting to think it might not be too bad if certain family members took the stand for the defense. Remember how some of us were holding our breath when Debbie Rowe took the stand in 2005 for the prosecution? h34r: Cross examination could be...interesting.

 

[summer]

We made one big mistake. We intially assumed Murray or the detectives got this statement " at 10:40 am he started to give propofol via an IV drip" wrong . Yes we did.

Murray had his cell phones, he knew the exact timing of all the "missed calls", the "received calls", and "dialed calls" . He knew all that in advance , that "10:40 am" did not come out of no where. He picked a minute he was not on the phone and he was forced to chose it that early cus from his phone's records he knew he was calling people nonstop so how he would later when the phone calls come into question explain how he withdraw liquids and "infused" them for MINUTES while he was on the phone?

The dose he gave at 10:40am , would have reached the blader by the time MJ died ( assuming he indeed died while Murray was talking to his bitch in Houston) BUT the urine concentration indicates a HIGHER dose than 25mg.

As for the urine at the scene , he had no explanation for that whatever.

10:40 am would be even WORSE for Murray because during that time he was using not one, but TWO, cell phones AT THE SAME TIME....both calls he made HIMSELF....so how can he be having two convos on his phones at the same time and be discussing Propofol with MJ....? That would make him look REALLY bad. One phone is bad enough...but TWO? :mello:

 

[wendy2004]

We made one big mistake. We intially assumed Murray or the detectives got this statement " at 10:40 am he started to give propofol via an IV drip" wrong . Yes we did.

Murray had his cell phones, he knew the exact timing of all the "missed calls", the "received calls", and "dialed calls" . He knew all that in advance , that "10:40 am" did not come out of no where. He picked a minute he was not on the phone and he was forced to chose it that early cus from his phone's records he knew he was calling people nonstop so how he would later when the phone calls come into question explain how he withdraw liquids and "infused" them for MINUTES while he was on the phone?

The dose he gave at 10:40am , would have reached the blader by the time MJ died ( assuming he indeed died while Murray was talking to his bitch in Houston) BUT the urine concentration indicates a HIGHER dose than 25mg.

As for the urine at the scene , he had no explanation for that whatever.

Higher dose and/or longer time period of administration. If I remember correctly, in the opening statement, Walgren mentioned the possibility of anytime after 7:30am (at the earliest) propofol could have been administered. My first thought when I read that was urine samples must have indicated such. That analysis will be most interesting.

 

[Justthefacts]

I agree....unless one of the docs from the past have an axe to grind.

Metzger, Klein and Adams are still very much in practice. Ratner and Farschian (sp) are wild cards. Who knows WHAT Ratner is going to testify to beyond alleged propofol administration during History tour. He has a not-so-pristine history and had issues with his license at one point. Farschian, the herbalist, was allegedly trying to get MJ off of meds he was dependent on (not necessarily addicted) using natural methods. He later sued Michael for a million dollars for these herbs/vitamins, etc. And Etok....another wild card with some possible credibility issues.

To be honest, I'm starting to think it might not be too bad if certain family members took the stand for the defense. Remember how some of us were holding our breath when Debbie Rowe took the stand in 2005 for the prosecution? h34r: Cross examination could be...interesting.

Wrong doctor that guy was no doctor. He was "Dr" Sebi

 

[Soundmind]

Etok is an attention seeking whore. Probably her only evidence of ever meeting MJ are Geller and that other sicko Mark Lester. They will confirm he met her so they could all sell interviews and profitBy the way until this very minute Etok did not produce any physical evidence she ever met MJ. Not even one Photo with him. She claims she had MANY but keeps them safe away from tabloids because she respects MJ's privacy .yeah sure

 

[Petrarose]

Thanks for all the updates guys. The information today mirrors what we discussed last year, but it is good to see these facts that will nail Murray.

 

[prettygirlmj]

It's just like the court's handing him inch after inch of rope that he's inevitably going to hang himself with. All of it, all of it is horrible, tragic, terribly unjust and convoluted but I'm putting faith in the justice system to make sure that this guy pays for what he did. It's one thing when everyday people entangle themselves in one anothers' lives and affairs but this guy was A DOCTOR, entrusted to CARE and AID a man that needed his expertise and professional assistance. The stuff that's coming out is just unbelievable... I really feel bad for the kids especially because it will REALLY f*** with them when they realize that what happened to their dad did NOT need to happen. The more info that comes out about what happened, the angrier I get because this was preventable, it didn't need to happen. Ugh.

Honestly, I don't see why this has to go on another week- they should be able to go to trial with the amount of damning testimonies they have already.