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(NB. I hope that none thinks that is in bad taste given the news of Michael.Mania, but I felt i had to reach out to you all.)

I am shaking as I write this, but know that this thread has been started with pure and devoted intentions.

I am opening myself as a hotline to those of you who feel you need help. I am in now way a qualified social worker or mental health doctor, but I have experience in this subject and want to reach out to each and every one of you who feel as though you can not go on.

I will keep my story short, but those of you who have read my posts when i first joined here, or even a post that I wrote here only a few days ago will know that I have been to the bottom. In the last 18 months I have lost seven of my friends to this very tragedy, and have almost been a victim of it myself.

If you wish to hear my story you can find it here in my letter to Michael:

http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2076007#post2076007

I want to give all of you who are on the verge of giving up hope a few things to think about:

My beautiful friend, and our inspiration has died. Think about how you are feeling right now. Think about the pain and loss you are feeling.The grief is tremendous. It feels like it will never end and there is no light. Sometimes it feels like the sun should never rise, and the darkness should never leave.

Now think of your family, think of your friends and all those around you who love with such an unconditional, beautiful love. Think of the people you could never dream of upsetting them and the mere thought of disappointing them sends you to tears.

Let me ask you this question...these people who you love and wish no harm to, would you want them to feel the loss you are feeling now? Would you want to be the cause of that pain?

Suicide is never the end. The pain and anguish that someone feels before they take there life does not end with their life. It ripples through those they shared that life with like a chainsaw. Disruptive and grotesque.

In even the darkest moments, there is always hope. We are all grieving, and there is nothing wrong with this. But these feelings of pain and anguish will subside, and we will be left with happy memories of Michael, when we can celebrate his life with newborn eyes and carry on his legacy.

When you are depressed, it is hard to remember the past, and how things were better. But think - there was a time when you were happier, when life was better, when life seemed worth living. You will feel this way again. I promise you.

I tried to take my own my life twice. I was suffering the most unbelievable pain imaginable. But I got through it, I was determined to change my life. I did. I have opportunites now I never dreamed I would have, and despite the occasional feeling of despair, I can recognise these are normal and that tomorrow is a new day.

Think to yourself every day:
Tomorrow, I may fall in love. Tomorrow, I may discover a new talent that will take my life in a new direction. Tomorrow, I may see the joy in a childs face and share that joy. Tomorrow, I may change someones life. Tomorrow, I may change MY life.

You will never know if you do not see tomorrow.

Life is a precious gift. Life is a miracle. Life is a learning curve, and love is the lesson.

There is nothing in life that cannot be fixed, as long as you are willing to ask for help. It took me 14 months of drug addiction and 2 suicide attempts to find the courage to ask for help. There is no shame in feeling helpless, only shame in not finding the help you need.

If anyone needs somebody to talk to, somebody who understands, please contact me. I will make time for anyone who reaches out to me.I am not religious, nor do i have any prejudices, just open ears, arms and heart. YOU ARE IMPORTANT. THE WORLD NEEDS YOU.

If you feel you need to talk to a professional, www.befrienders.org has a list of worldwide suicide hotlines, including help and advice pages.

I LOVE YOU ALL, IN ALL YOUR BEAUTY. WE ARE THE CHILDREN OF THIS WORLD, AND THE PARENTS OF TOMORROW.

Here are some tips that I found useful:

CONTACT a suicide prevention or crisis center or trusted friend, family member social worker, medical professional or rabbi, priest or minister and TALK. They will not think something is wrong with you or that you are "weird" or "crazy"

BE ACTIVE. Go for a walk and get some exercise. Often depressing and suicidal thoughts and feelings fade when something or someone else stimulates us.

DO SOMETHING - anything. It does not have to be a HUGE project - but a little project LIKE TIDYING UP a counter or small cupboard. Remember to PRAISE YOURSELF for the work you have done.

START A CREATIVE PROJECT in art, gardening, music, crafts, writing etc. Don't worry if your project is not a masterpiece. Many people have found when they are working on creative projects, they forget their painful suffering.

Find someone or an animal or plant who could USE YOUR LOVE AND CARE.

REMEMBER that along with your suicidal thoughts and feelings You are having other thoughts and feelings which are not suicidal.

LISTEN to your thoughts and feelings without analysing them, letting them come and go WITHOUT dwelling on them.

IDENTIFY and ACKNOWLEDGE other thoughts and feeling which are not suicidal.

REMEMBER that you have experienced times in your life when you did not have suicidal thoughts and feelings because you were not depressed but were hopeful at the time.

REMEMBER times in which you may have felt strong suicidal thoughts and feelings that eventually passed into times of other thoughts and feelings which were not depressing but WERE HOPEFUL and you were able to look forward.

ACKNOWLEDGE for yourself that having suicidal thoughts in the midst of other thoughts is emotionally draining and that you have shown incredible strength in remaining alive and staying alive in spite of the powerful suicidal thoughts and feelings that you may have.
In the same way that you do not believe or act upon all the thoughts and feelings that you may have, REMEMBER that just because you may have a suicidal thought or feeling, you do not have to believe or act upon the thought or feeling
 
beautiful post hun xo

Certainly not in bad taste. It needs to be brought attention to. We really need to be looking out for each other on here, because I too worry about some of the lovely people on here.

it's so easy to say "pm me" and I say it all the time, but really - I don't feel like i'm really offering proper support to people by saying that :( And I feel bad for it. But what else can I do - especially when people from all over the world are on here. I would fly for people if it was possible :(

Thank you for reaching out. You are wonderful :) And I hope people come to you xo

hugs to you xo
 
Honey, sometimes a 'pm me' is all that is needed, for someone to know that they matter. Even the smallest gesture can make the biggest impact. If we all looked out for eachother just a little more in this world, then maybe we would share more love and Mikes lesson could truly be heard.
 
Honey, sometimes a 'pm me' is all that is needed, for someone to know that they matter. Even the smallest gesture can make the biggest impact. If we all looked out for eachother just a little more in this world, then maybe we would share more love and Mikes lesson could truly be heard.

yeh I know. I just worry about the time difference. Like if someone sent me a message...but because of the time zones...i don't see if for like 8 hours or something. Scares me a little. I worry that people think I might not care :(

But I still say it, because as you say - people need to know. And to anyone reading this message - I always always respond :)

So if anyone ever needs to talk, PM me too :p

hug xo
 
Excellent post. I hope people are helped by your words here.
 
It is past midnight here, so I must rest my head (or try to atleast!!) but I will keep the forum open on my computer tomorrow at work if anyone needs me, and tomorrow night will start to put together a few support plans, such as an MSN chat facility etc. If there is anyone who would like to help me put together more of a support group please get in contact. I dont doubt that the support forum in itself has been a tremendous life line, and Victoria is a beautiful person whos words have always been of great comfort to me...but more can always be done and if we can group together to offer more support I hope that it will be welcomed by MJJC and its staff.
 
Great idea.

There's a crisis going on in this thread

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81095

:(

Pleeeaase *Billie Jean* take in danniilee's words.

Oh, yes, we know. Serious crisis. Incredibly sad

Meena, thanks for your words. Be sure in addition to talking people through it, that you urge them to seek professional help, if ony for meds that might help get through the crisis.

I fully understand the level of grief. I feel it too, sometimes. But your suggestions in your post, really, really work!
 
Nice post, but more useful for someone who wants to die just because Michael is not there...

But for someone who already wanted to die before, and for a long time already....
For someone who's whole life is sh*t and Michael's death just added to the bunch.
well...

No, ~i cant just provide help for someone who feels like shit because michael died... the times I attempted were before michael left us.
 
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Awww good post dannii and same here anyone want to get in contact me with feel free i will help anywhere i can and I am not a professional but I will help where i can
 
Awww good post dannii and same here anyone want to get in contact me with feel free i will help anywhere i can and I am not a professional but I will help where i can

On a lighter note... Motsey and I live about 10 mins away from eachother... so if anyone living in surrey or london need us... we can be there quicker than ghostbusters, and with a better theme tune... even if its just for a drink :)
 
that's funny :lol: *ghostbusters song playing in my head now dammit*
Wish I was living in London, went there 2 days, felt better than home when I was there :)

If thats what you want...do it. It just takes a little determination and courage. I did it, and it is the best thing that ever happened to me.
 
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That is a very good post. And to think I was one of the fans that was going to commit suicide. Around the time of Michael's horrible death. It was a promise that I had made to myself back in December of 95 when I was 15. I was in my room extremely upset over Michael being in the hospital. I told myself if something horrible should ever happen to Michael I will kill myself. Cause I absolutely refused to live in a world without him in it. And when I had heard the horrible news I really was going to go through with it. But then I realize Michael would not want his fans to be killing themselves over him. As you can see I didn't go through with it. But there are times when my pain, sadness, and depression over Michael is so extremely bad that I will be wishing that I was dead. Or I would think of why I didn't die in that horrible car accident I was in October of 1996. That way I would not be going through this intense pain and sadness now. And I will be up in Heaven now with Michael. But it is just my pain that is making me think and talk like that. I can not kill myself because it would hurt Michael that his fans are killing themselves over him. And I just love Michael way too much to want to hurt him like that.
 
If thats what you want...do it. It just takes a little determination and courage. I did it, and it is the best thing that ever happened to me.

*sigh* if only.. in fact as stupid as it can look, besides money which I don't really have,

the main problem for me to move to London would be to get papaers to take my parrot with me, it's really a mess!
 
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That is a very good post. And to think I was one of the fans that was going to commit suicide. Around the time of Michael's horrible death. It was a promise that I had made to myself back in December of 95 when I was 15. I was in my room extremely upset over Michael being in the hospital. I told myself if something horrible should ever happen to Michael I will kill myself. Cause I absolutely refused to live in a world without him in it. And when I had heard the horrible news I really was going to go through with it. But then I realize Michael would not want his fans to be killing themselves over him. As you can see I didn't go through with it. But there are times when my pain, sadness, and depression over Michael is so extremely bad that I will be wishing that I was dead. Or I would think of why I didn't die in that horrible car accident I was in October of 1996. That way I would not be going through this intense pain and sadness now. And I will be up in Heaven now with Michael. But it is just my pain that is making me think and talk like that. I can not kill myself because it would hurt Michael that his fans are killing themselves over him. And I just love Michael way too much to want to hurt him like that.

you are so wonderful :) I am so glad that you are feeling that way now, knowing that it's not the way out. And hun, it wouldn't only upset Michael. It would upset us all too.

Just please make sure if you ever, ever relapse on your thoughts that you speak to us all. because I would hate to think of anything ever happening to you xo

And you're right hun Michael would never want that - he really wouldn't. he loves us all too much too see us hurt ourselves and others.

I am really worried about a few people on here though :( I really hope they keep talking to us :(
 
That is a very good post. And to think I was one of the fans that was going to commit suicide. Around the time of Michael's horrible death. It was a promise that I had made to myself back in December of 95 when I was 15. I was in my room extremely upset over Michael being in the hospital. I told myself if something horrible should ever happen to Michael I will kill myself. Cause I absolutely refused to live in a world without him in it. And when I had heard the horrible news I really was going to go through with it. But then I realize Michael would not want his fans to be killing themselves over him. As you can see I didn't go through with it. But there are times when my pain, sadness, and depression over Michael is so extremely bad that I will be wishing that I was dead. Or I would think of why I didn't die in that horrible car accident I was in October of 1996. That way I would not be going through this intense pain and sadness now. And I will be up in Heaven now with Michael. But it is just my pain that is making me think and talk like that. I can not kill myself because it would hurt Michael that his fans are killing themselves over him. And I just love Michael way too much to want to hurt him like that.

I just want to say, MJsBollywoodGirl7, that I really appreciate your honest posts and your pure love of Michael. I am SO happy you are here!!!

And big thanks to Danniilee for her wonderful post! You provide wonderful advice. Michael has the best fans in the world.

EDIT -- Carinemjj, I see your most recent post and am sad and concerned. I really appreciate your posts too and want you to stay! I know it's hard to remember happy moments in life when you are down/depressed, but there have to be some, right? I really pray you can feel happy again.
 
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Will It Get Inside
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Brother
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But Till That Day I Said You've Got To Keep The Faith!

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You guys are all wonderful!!!

And no this is not tasteless, it's very much needed and can be so helpfull.

Just everybody keep in mind, we're not only here to prevent suicides if possible, we're here for eachother. It's keeping Michaels legacy! It's about L.O.V.E.

You guys are so incredible wonderful support here on the support forum and yes I know we're all not through it and there will come waves which will make us feel that we're back to the beginning... but I have so much faith in you.

Back on topic... when it's about suicide then please keep in mind, you usually only get to know when you didn't make it through to someone and that person decided against life, cuz that seems to many more sensational. We do not get to know usually, when we could help although... the thank you posts in the support forum are countless. ;) And I bet some of you guys do have pretty similar stuff in your pm boxes also! So let me take this chance to say a huge heartfelt thank you to everybody here again! I'll not get tired of this.
Michael Jackson fans are the very best!

Keep Michaeling everybody!!!
 
Thank you for your post, the world needs more people like you here with us
 
Danniilee,

I already sent you a big hug :)
Now I watch amazed the beautiful way you open up to people that need you.
I honestly think that is such a beautiful gift you can give to those of us that are in need for immediate help...

Just remember, if you're ever tired or have a crisis or did not manage a part of the task you assign to yourself
(which is BIG I have to say!) -we are all a pm away - FOR YOU - as well!

:huggy:
 
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Hey all,

Ive been at work all day but lurking around and posting the odd short post... when i get home Im gunna make some dinner, pour some wine, and then I will reply properly. I want everyone to know that I have been thinking of them all day. Love you allx
 
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