Tabloid: NotW Reports "Prints on syringe NOT Michael's or Murrays"

Justice isnt about the truth its about what u can prove. D.A doesnt was to have this loss on his record so hes going for the charge he has an easier chance of conviction with.if the U.S justice system wasnt so political things maybe different
 
It's actually worse than that scenario. Both Kai Chase and Alberto Alvarez testified that they didn't have the keys to the house and the doors would have been opened by the people in the house mainly like the MJ's kids and nanny etc.

So you either will have someone inside the house letting the killer in or the killer having the key (in that case I believe it will be really narrowed as it seems like no staff had the key). so I think "stranger" or "random guy from the street" is out of the equation.

Some can argue a person with high level of access but still that person needs to be able to pass through all the security, Mj's kids and Murray undetected to carry out the murder. It seems not likely.

So how did murray get in each night. Do we know if Murray had his own key or had to be let in? If he had his own key (which would truly surprise me) he could have made copies.

No matter how it twists and turns, all roads lead to murray.

The following is from actual court testimony by Michael Amir Williams.

Q WHEN YOU GOT TO THE RESIDENCE TO CAROLWOOD AT THE FRONT GATE, WHAT DID YOU OBSERVE?
A WE HAD SECURITY OUTSIDE THE GATES BECAUSE IT WAS FANS OUT THERE. MADE SURE WE STOPPED, TOLD THE FANS HE LOVES THEM, MAYBE A FEW GIFTS, AND THEN WE DROVE IN THE PROPERTY.

Q AND WHEN YOU DROVE ONTO THE PROPERTY, DID YOU SEE DR. MURRAY'S CAR?
A YES, SIR. I DID

Q WAS IT PARKED JUST AS SHOWN IN PEOPLE'S 4?
A YES, SIR. YES, SIR. IT WAS.

Q NOW, WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION ON JUNE 24TH AFTER SEEING DR. MURRAY'S CAR, DID YOU ACTUALLY SEE DR. MURRAY THAT NIGHT?
A NO, SIR.

Q DID YOU GET MICHAEL INTO THE HOME AND CARRY THINGS INTO THE HOME AS YOU DESCRIBED?
A YES, SIR. IT WAS THE SAME PROCEDURE. WE TOOK EVERYTHING TO THE STAIRS, AND HE SAID GOOD NIGHT. WE WENT INSIDE THE TRAILER, DEBRIEFED FOR A FEW MINUTE IT WAS LATE, AND WE HAD TO DO IT AGAIN THE NEXT DAY. WE KIND OF JUST -- EVERYONE WENT THEIR OWN WAY AND WENT HOME.

So, Murray's car was already there when MJ's vehicle arrived. In fact, it was stated in Oxman's suit that before MJ left staples a call was made to Murray to inform him that his presence was required at the house. It was normal for Murray to be at the house before MJ arrived home from rehearsals. The following testimony from Faheem Muhammad confirms this:

Q PRIOR TO YOUR ARRIVAL, HAD YOU SPOKEN TO CONRAD MURRAY OR BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING TO MAKE SURE DOCTOR MURRAY WOULD BE AT THE HOUSE UPON MICHAEL JACKSON'S RETURN TO THE HOUSE THAT EVENING?
A NOT DIRECTLY. I WAS PRESENT WHEN MR. JACKSON ASKED AMIR, MICHAEL AMIR TO MAKE SURE DOCTOR MURRAY WAS AT THE HOUSE WHEN WE GOT THERE.

Murray arrived at the house at around 1pm as stated in one of the search warrant documents, 'Video footage at the residence shows the above listed vehicle (Murray's) arriving at approximately 0100 hours.' Williams states in his testimony that by the time they arrived at the house with MJ, Murray's car was already there and they did not actually see Dr.Murray in person that night. We can deduce therefore, that Murray had already been let in. But let in by whom? Clearly security let Murray in at the gate, but who let him into the house? The children would surely have been in bed and it's uncertain whether anyone inside the house was still awake at 1am, or whether someone was expected to stay up until Murray had actually arrived. So it's unclear who actually let Murray into the house that night, especially as it was late. Unless someone can rule it out, the possibility remains that a member of the security team might have let Murray into the house.

I also came across this testimony from Williams. Here he states that during the day, the front door would be left open. At night MJ would lock it.

Q FRONT DOOR, IS IT NORMALLY LEFT WIDE OPEN, UNLOCKED?
A DURING THE DAY IT IS UNLOCKED. AT NIGHT MR.JACKSON WOULD LOCK IT.

Q THE SECURITY TEAM WOULD ALLOW THE FRONT DOOR TO MICHAEL JACKSON'S RESIDENCE TO BE UNLOCKED?
A YES SIR, UNLESS MR.JACKSON WANTED IT LOCKED WHICH HE DID AT NIGHT.

Again, it's unclear whether there was a specific time at which the door would be locked, or whether the door was simply locked once MJ was inside for the night. Depending on what the protocol was for locking the door, it is possible that when Murray arrived at MJ's house the front door could have been open, since MJ was not yet home for the night. If the door was locked, was anyone awake in house at 1am to let Murray in? If not, did a member of the security team have a key? Not much is known about this security team. The security team would have been pretty familiar with the routines in the house, when the doors were open, when they were shut, what time MJ was likely to be arriving home, what time people in the house went to bed etc. Having said this, MJ died in the morning. If someone else was in the house and someone else administered the final dose to MJ, they would still have to escape the house unnoticed. Does anyone actually know who the overnight security were and what time they went off their shift? If something sinister did happen, the security team had the access/knowledge to pull that off in my opinion.
 
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The following is from actual court testimony by Michael Amir Williams.

Q WHEN YOU GOT TO THE RESIDENCE TO CAROLWOOD AT THE FRONT GATE, WHAT DID YOU OBSERVE?
A WE HAD SECURITY OUTSIDE THE GATES BECAUSE IT WAS FANS OUT THERE. MADE SURE WE STOPPED, TOLD THE FANS HE LOVES THEM, MAYBE A FEW GIFTS, AND THEN WE DROVE IN THE PROPERTY.

Q AND WHEN YOU DROVE ONTO THE PROPERTY, DID YOU SEE DR. MURRAY'S CAR?
A YES, SIR. I DID

Q WAS IT PARKED JUST AS SHOWN IN PEOPLE'S 4?
A YES, SIR. YES, SIR. IT WAS.

Q NOW, WHEN YOU ARRIVED AT THE LOCATION ON JUNE 24TH AFTER SEEING DR. MURRAY'S CAR, DID YOU ACTUALLY SEE DR. MURRAY THAT NIGHT?
A NO, SIR.

Q DID YOU GET MICHAEL INTO THE HOME AND CARRY THINGS INTO THE HOME AS YOU DESCRIBED?
A YES, SIR. IT WAS THE SAME PROCEDURE. WE TOOK EVERYTHING TO THE STAIRS, AND HE SAID GOOD NIGHT. WE WENT INSIDE THE TRAILER, DEBRIEFED FOR A FEW MINUTE IT WAS LATE, AND WE HAD TO DO IT AGAIN THE NEXT DAY. WE KIND OF JUST -- EVERYONE WENT THEIR OWN WAY AND WENT HOME.

So, Murray's car was already there when MJ's vehicle arrived. In fact, it was stated in Oxman's suit that before MJ left staples a call was made to Murray to inform him that his presence was required at the house. It was normal for Murray to be at the house before MJ arrived home from rehearsals. The following testimony from Faheem Muhammad confirms this:

Q PRIOR TO YOUR ARRIVAL, HAD YOU SPOKEN TO CONRAD MURRAY OR BEEN INVOLVED IN ANY PLANNING TO MAKE SURE DOCTOR MURRAY WOULD BE AT THE HOUSE UPON MICHAEL JACKSON'S RETURN TO THE HOUSE THAT EVENING?
A NOT DIRECTLY. I WAS PRESENT WHEN MR. JACKSON ASKED AMIR, MICHAEL AMIR TO MAKE SURE DOCTOR MURRAY WAS AT THE HOUSE WHEN WE GOT THERE.

Murray arrived at the house at around 1pm as stated in one of the search warrant documents, 'Video footage at the residence shows the above listed vehicle (Murray's) arriving at approximately 0100 hours.' Williams states in his testimony that by the time they arrived at the house with MJ, Murray's car was already there and they did not actually see Dr.Murray in person that night. We can deduce therefore, that Murray had already been let in. But let in by whom? Clearly security let Murray in at the gate, but who let him into the house? The children would surely have been in bed and it's uncertain whether anyone inside the house was still awake at 1am, or whether someone was expected to stay up until Murray had actually arrived. So it's unclear who actually let Murray into the house that night, especially as it was late. Unless someone can rule it out, the possibility remains that a member of the security team might have let Murray into the house.

I also came across this testimony from Williams. Here he states that during the day, the front door would be left open. At night MJ would lock it.

Q FRONT DOOR, IS IT NORMALLY LEFT WIDE OPEN, UNLOCKED?
A DURING THE DAY IT IS UNLOCKED. AT NIGHT MR.JACKSON WOULD LOCK IT.

Q THE SECURITY TEAM WOULD ALLOW THE FRONT DOOR TO MICHAEL JACKSON'S RESIDENCE TO BE UNLOCKED?
A YES SIR, UNLESS MR.JACKSON WANTED IT LOCKED WHICH HE DID AT NIGHT.

Again, it's unclear whether there was a specific time at which the door would be locked, or whether the door was simply locked once MJ was inside for the night. Depending on what the protocol was for locking the door, it is possible that when Murray arrived at MJ's house the front door could have been open, since MJ was not yet home for the night. If the door was locked, was anyone awake in house at 1am to let Murray in? If not, did a member of the security team have a key? Not much is known about this security team. The security team would have been pretty familiar with the routines in the house, when the doors were open, when they were shut, what time MJ was likely to be arriving home, what time people in the house went to bed etc. Having said this, MJ died in the morning. If someone else was in the house and someone else administered the final dose to MJ, they would still have to escape the house unnoticed. Does anyone actually know who the overnight security were and what time they went off their shift? If something sinister did happen, the security team had the access/knowledge to pull that off in my opinion.
thank you for this post..and I agree...
 
He's in it quite deep - as he said he was giving him 50 mg every night for 6 weeks - the last time before the fatal night was June 22 - he gave him 25mg. or so he said.

http://ww2.lasuperiorcourt.org/hp/kvid3d55qh1akw55ltq5aeeg/1381114026.pdf
page 39
Which I never believed and still don't! How does he explain MJ dieing of 25mg of Propofol on June 25th yet he was allegedly given him more then 25mg before and he didn't die?! o_O

Plus, he had more then 25mg on the day he died when they did the autopsy! 25mg is not enough to knock out a man of MJ size! Murray is a professional B.S!
 
Which I never believed and still don't! How does he explain MJ dieing of 25mg of Propofol on June 25th yet he was allegedly given him more then 25mg before and he didn't die?! o_O

Plus, he had more then 25mg on the day he died when they did the autopsy! 25mg is not enough to knock out a man of MJ size! Murray is a professional B.S!


he's obviously a liar... for one thing anesthesia is not a sleep aid so he should not have been giving it anyway. and then he claims he was trying to 'wean' him off by going from 50 to 25 mgs.. He was mixing sedatives and giving anesthesia, MJ didn't have a chance. Anesthesia is not a drug to be weaned from because Murray had no business giving it anyway. This murderer of a doctor gave a man anesthesia daily as a sleep aid.. What doctor would admit to that?
 
He had to admit it because he was cornered and now he's trying to lie himself out of his confession but I don't think it will work.



True Victory!

It does seem like he's trying to backtrack on what he told police.
 
Yes, he's backtracking but I hope the police detectives locked his statement in solid. He had an attorney present and Detective Martinez said he was surprised Murray gave so many details about medications he gave. I don't think a jury will be gullible enough to believe Murray only gave Michael 25 mg of Propofol when the autopsy shows he had so much it in his system it was in the fluids of his eyes.
 
I haven't been following this, do we know what time Michael died?
 
he lied about the amounts of loraz.. given aswell or i guess he will accuse mj of overdosing himself on that . also did murray admit he gave diprivan earlier in the night or did he claim it was just at 10.40? cause the results show it was given earlier
 
Yes, he's backtracking but I hope the police detectives locked his statement in solid. He had an attorney present and Detective Martinez said he was surprised Murray gave so many details about medications he gave. I don't think a jury will be gullible enough to believe Murray only gave Michael 25 mg of Propofol when the autopsy shows he had so much it in his system it was in the fluids of his eyes.


It's recorded.. DA Walgren in one of the pretrial court hearings requested that he use the recorded interview of Murray in which Murray basically tells what he did in his own words.
 
he lied about the amounts of loraz.. given aswell or i guess he will accuse mj of overdosing himself on that . also did murray admit he gave diprivan earlier in the night or did he claim it was just at 10.40? cause the results show it was given earlier

as far as we know, he claimed 10:40 am after trying other combinations of sedatives. He claimed MJ begged at that point, but that ain't true either. How was MJ begging yet Murray was on the phone chit chatting all morning. Did anyone on the phone hear MJ begging for propofol?
 
as far as we know, he claimed 10:40 am after trying other combinations of sedatives. He claimed MJ begged at that point, but that ain't true either. How was MJ begging yet Murray was on the phone chit chatting all morning. Did anyone on the phone hear MJ begging for propofol?

Yes, thats the lie Murray is saying. He claims he only gave Michael Propofol once at 10:40am and only 25mg after Michael begged. Great point about Murray being on the phone at 10:45.
 
If MJ was already sedated with benzos - which i believe the experts testified in court was the case - then the real question is why would you need to add propofol?
 
Murray is an incompetent idiot! He is a cardiologist so he had to know that mixing Valium, Ativan, Versed and Propofol was a bad idea. Add to the fact Murray heavely sedated Michael then abandoned him to die alone and helpless and you have to question the mans humanity and his sanity.
 
Murray is an incompetent idiot! He is a cardiologist so he had to know that mixing Valium, Ativan, Versed and Propofol was a bad idea. Add to the fact Murray heavely sedated Michael then abandoned him to die alone and helpless and you have to question the mans humanity and his sanity.


Victory22,

you are so right.. what cardiologist in their right mind mixes those sedatives which are breathing depressant agents and then leaves their patient? no monitoring by eye or by equipment. If this man keeps his medical license, something is seriously wrong
 
The medical checks and balance system is broken for sure because Murray's license should already be suspended. The fact that he can still practice in Hawaii, Texas and Las Vegas is down right scary.
 
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the medical checks and balance system is broken for sure because murrays license should already be suspended. The fact that he can still practice in hawaii, texas and las vegas is down right scary.

i know- still cannot believe this fact!
 
If they are neither Michael's or Murray's....wouldn't that mean someone else was up there? And this would most likely mean first degree murder.

I don't believe this report.

Because IF this were the case, WIERD that the D.A. isn't doing ANYTHING about it when they have IDENTIFIED the fingerprints!!!! They want me to believe they are just letting that person walk around free right now???

Something does not add up here.

My guess is the worst case scenario. The fingprints are identified as Alberto Alvarez who went up there to pick up the items at murray's orders.

BUT, there was an article before this stating that the prints belong to NONE of Michael's staff.

Either someone is playing games with us. (And the prints belong to either Alberto or Michael regardless of the media reports) OR it really is neither of them and the D.A. is letting the killer walk free right now.

If MJ was already sedated with benzos - which i believe the experts testified in court was the case - then the real question is why would you need to add propofol?

murray already answered that question. Because michael had severe insomnia, was becoming addicted, and couldn't sleep with all those previous benzos. Now the question is whether to believe him.
 
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If they are neither Michael's or Murray's....wouldn't that mean someone else was up there? And this would most likely mean first degree murder.

I don't believe this report.

Because IF this were the case, WIERD that the D.A. isn't doing ANYTHING about it when they have IDENTIFIED the fingerprints!!!! They want me to believe they are just letting that person walk around free right now???

Something does not add up here.

My guess is the worst case scenario. The fingprints are identified as Alberto Alvarez who went up there to pick up the items at murray's orders.

BUT, there was an article before this stating that the prints belong to NONE of Michael's staff.

Either someone is playing games with us. (And the prints belong to either Alberto or Michael regardless of the media reports) OR it really is neither of them and the D.A. is letting the killer walk free right now.



murray already answered that question. Because michael had severe insomnia, was becoming addicted, and couldn't sleep with all those previous benzos. Now the question is whether to believe him.

No. it means Murray had on gloves when handling the needle. BASIC MEDICAL PROCEDURE.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes, there are LOGICAL explanations to things..when you take a minute to ANALYZE THEM.

If you ever been to the doctor for a shot, you must have notice they always wear gloves when handling needles ..even for basic examinations they wear gloves.
 
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A man in the US was named suspect of a terrorist attack in Mardrid after his fingerprints were found at the scene in Madrid but later they discovered the' suspect' did not leave the US and they had to apologize.

wtf did that happen?? never knew it was that bad with fingerprints... specially because now we need to give our prints for a bio pasport

also what is a believer?


On topic:

how is it possible that so many info is leaked before the trial starts? i thought things like evidence etc would be convidencial and can not leak in to the press?
 
OR it really is neither of them and the D.A. is letting the killer walk free right now.

If that is the case i will be so very angry
 
No. it means Murray had on gloves when handling the needle. BASIC MEDICAL PROCEDURE.

Not everything is a conspiracy. Sometimes, there are LOGICAL explanations to things..when you take a minute to ANALYZE THEM.

If you ever been to the doctor for a shot, you must have notice they always wear gloves when handling needles ..even for basic examinations they wear gloves.

Please don't put conspiracy into my mouth. I'm not talking about conspiracy. I'm talking about these reports, and the fact that the prints are identified. So you might have misunderstood.

I'm just going by what these reports say.

I do know for sure that the fingerprints HAVE been identified.

What I was doing was pointing out the misinformation that is still being tossed to throw everyone off course.

There's reports stating that the prints are neither Michael's nor Murray's. There's one stating that they are NONE of Michael's staff. My guess is, it really IS either Michael's, murray's, or one of the staff.(most likely alvarez which is the worst case scenario)

Because the prints are identified, so you bet if it was a third party, the D.A. would be after the person! Unless...he's letting the killer walk away....Why would I trust him when he's undercharged murray. It's not hard to see these charges don't add up to IM! There's nothing involuntary about shooting a mouse with a cannon.

On topic:

how is it possible that so many info is leaked before the trial starts? i thought things like evidence etc would be convidencial and can not leak in to the press?

A lot of the earliest reports of this case are ACTUALLY true. But you're right, they wouldn't let trial evidence out now at this time. The thing about the reports, is that they speak in the NEGATIVE. They say who's fingerprints they aren't. Not who they belong to. But I see what you mean. Now that I think of that, I don't know if they would even speak in the negative about the evidence.
 
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If it's not directly Dr. Murray, it could be someone you least expect. But someone who knew Louis and Dr Murray. I think it can be a woman.
 
That's true, I know when I went to have an exam, I ask the doctor to wear gloves. Can you imagine where his hands may have been before he got to me? SMH
 
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