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Teddy Riley Interview: Unreleased song Joy sung by Michael Jackson will be given to Estate!

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Mike recored it? You can hear it in TheOne's remix. : ) He custumized it : )
 
I wasnt going to weight in here but I might as well being so many seem in the dark about the fans issues with Teddy. I myself no longer support him because of his actions toward MJ's fans. Myself being one of them. Yep and he blocked many MJ fan asking or calling him on his statements of MJ being alive. Then he started catering to believers on twitter. The hoax sites were in heaven. I don't for one minute he really thought MJ was alive but he was using it for publicity to gain more followers for his own album coming out at that time. And the belivevers flocked to him by 1000's. He was using MJ in this sick way for his own gain and he turned his back on Michael's die hard fans. He Mocked them and blocked them. Someone would say "come on Teddy you don't really believe that do you" he would say "Yep .. blocked" Then he started playing footsies with believers. They were all over him posting his revelations on all the hoax sites and he was playing right along with it. It really upset quite a lot of fans who were still grieving when he did that. He copped an attitude when fans were asking questions. He didn't like any criticism or questions. He started making snide and rude remarks about both the Jacksons and the Estate. He contradicted himself many times trying to keep his story straight about production of the songs he did for the Michael Album. He was really acting creepy and weird IMO..

I don't trust him now. I would like to hear Michael singing the song "Joy" and I hope he has turned it over the the Estate. But I no longer support him. I don't have anything against those who do support him. I know not everyone was personally affected by what he did , So I just say to each his own and lets leave it like that. Lets not dictate how other should feel.
 
qbee said:
I wasnt going to weight in here but I might as well being so many seem in the dark about the fans issues with Teddy. I myself no longer support him because of his actions toward MJ's fans. Myself being one of them. Yep and he blocked many MJ fan asking or calling him on his statements of MJ being alive. Then he started catering to believers on twitter. The hoax sites were in heaven. I don't for one minute he really thought MJ was alive but he was using it for publicity to gain more followers for his own album coming out at that time. And the belivevers flocked to him by 1000's. He was using MJ in this sick way for his own gain and he turned his back on Michael's die hard fans. He Mocked them and blocked them. Someone would say "come on Teddy you don't really believe that do you" he would say "Yep .. blocked" Then he started playing footsies with believers. They were all over him posting his revelations on all the hoax sites and he was playing right along with it. It really upset quite a lot of fans who were still grieving when he did that. He copped an attitude when fans were asking questions. He didn't like any criticism or questions. He started making snide and rude remarks about both the Jacksons and the Estate. He contradicted himself many times trying to keep his story straight about production of the songs he did for the Michael Album. He was really acting creepy and weird IMO..

I don't trust anything he says now. I would like to hear Michael singing the song "Joy" and I hope he has turned it over the the Estate. But I no longer support him. I don't have anything against those who do support him. I know not everyone was personally affected by what he did , So I just say to each his own and lets leave it like that. Lets not dictate how other should feel.
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Not to mention how he lied on Oprah. Disgusting.
 
Ok Guys First person to go there, I will personally put in (The Cooler:chained) :lol: not kiddin - I already edited once because I'm soooooooo nice :eek:ldsmile: but I'm not cleaning up any messes. You know the ropes by now. I guess we should all get back on topic or skidaddle .. because it is too tempting in here for some. Including myself
 
qbee said:
I wasnt going to weight in here but I might as well being so many seem in the dark about the fans issues with Teddy. I myself no longer support him because of his actions toward MJ's fans. Myself being one of them. Yep and he blocked many MJ fan asking or calling him on his statements of MJ being alive. Then he started catering to believers on twitter. The hoax sites were in heaven. I don't for one minute he really thought MJ was alive but he was using it for publicity to gain more followers for his own album coming out at that time. And the belivevers flocked to him by 1000's. He was using MJ in this sick way for his own gain and he turned his back on Michael's die hard fans. He Mocked them and blocked them. Someone would say "come on Teddy you don't really believe that do you" he would say "Yep .. blocked" Then he started playing footsies with believers. They were all over him posting his revelations on all the hoax sites and he was playing right along with it. It really upset quite a lot of fans who were still grieving when he did that. He copped an attitude when fans were asking questions. He didn't like any criticism or questions. He started making snide and rude remarks about both the Jacksons and the Estate. He contradicted himself many times trying to keep his story straight about production of the songs he did for the Michael Album. He was really acting creepy and weird IMO..
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Thanks for this. I had no idea about that.
 
The song is fine, but it's based around the exact same chords/harmony as the original demo of PYT which is probably where it comes from and reworked with new lyrics as a concept, it's too similar for none of them to have noticed or been reworking imo
 
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T.N.A. said:
This is just a wild guess, but...

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Actually this is the reason, plus many more.

http://sleevage.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/michael_jackson_dangerous-f.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_myPklSHZg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZlmFdG5mpA



...and a 100 more that make up for one mistake or fluke.

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You seem to have a personal grudge against the man. Acting Strange and weird, Really? Someone gets bashed on Twitter for WHATEVER reason and you want him to respond kindly or allow it go on. No, I'd probably block them and you would too. There's a difference between criticism and insulting. I understand some fans (including me) were upset about that 'Michael' album & how it was handled at the time but going on twitter and verbally abusing someone like Teddy Riley or ANYONE is totally unjustified.

Reading your post again, I don't understand this part

"I don't for one minute he really thought MJ was alive but he was using it for publicity to gain more followers for his own album coming out at that time."

What album? Teddy had no album coming out at the time and he doesn't now.


Teddy Riley the KING/Father of New Jack Swing and one of the greatest producers in music history needs publicity... really? Followers don't mean squad.
 
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Now I´m making a comment on another ones behalf. That Michael album cover was an answer from T.N.A to Eric´s question to Stella. Not speaking to you or for you Toth
Why are you being so nasty? I´m so afraid to make comments in certain threads at times because of the "little" attack some people always throw at each other. :( Maybe I´m to weak at times.
 
Teddy Riley is a brilliant producer. It's funny how most of you are constantly complaining that people should just respect Michael for his professional accomplishments and forget his personal life but won't afford the same luxury to others around him that contributed to his success. We've all heard the Dangerous album outtakes that Michael was working on before Teddy got involved, they sucked to be frank.

Teddy most likely was going along with the MJ is alive hoax just to help raise publicity for the MICHAEL album. If Michael could have one wish from the grave he would want to keep up the mystery that surrounded him his entire life and what better way than the alive theory?
 
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is actually the best thing Teddy ever did. And IMO it's Michael's best album.

But the difference between that^ and this?

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also showed that Teddy needed Michael to hold his hand and guide him to really shine on Dangerous. Since the Michael album I don't really want Teddy to be involved in any MJ project in the future. The job he did there was really, really sloppy.
 
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SeriousEffect. said:
Teddy Riley is a brilliant producer. It's funny how most of you are constantly complaining that people should just respect Michael for his professional accomplishments and forget his personal life but won't afford the same luxury to others around him that contributed to his success.
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I would not exactly call Teddy playing with MJ fans like that "his personal life". Making BS claims PUBLICLY (his Twitter is public after all) about MJ is not his "personal life".

Teddy most likely was going along with the MJ is alive hoax just to help raise publicity for the MICHAEL album. If Michael could have one wish from the grave he would want to keep up the mystery that surrounded him his entire life and what better way than the alive theory?
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I like it when people claim to know what Michael would want and what he'd agree with.
 
SeriousEffect. said:
We've all heard the Dangerous album outtakes that Michael was working on before Teddy got involved, they sucked to be frank.
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Oh, you mean What About Us (Earth Song), Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Slave To The Rhythm, Monkey Business... Yeah they really suck!!

I respect Teddy for his work on the Dangerous album, but he is not the only one who made that record what it is. For me the best songs on that album are Will You Be There produced by Michael Jackson and Who Is It produced by Michael Jackson and Bill Bottrell.

Besides Bryan Loren (although we heard just 5-6 of 25 of his songs), MJ worked also with LA Reid and Babyface (Slave To The Rhythm and more). You can't judge on Bryan Loren leaks that all Dangerous outtakes suck. We didn't even hear Men In Black (apparently the best collaboration with Loren).
 
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also showed that Teddy needed Michael to hold his hand and guide him to really shine on Dangerous.
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Exactly, MJ and TR were a good team because Teddy worked great as MJ's subordinate. I think MJ knew the sound he wanted to have in 1991 that's why Teddy had that job.

OnirMJ said:
Oh, you mean What About Us (Earth Song), Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Slave To The Rhythm, Monkey Business... Yeah they really suck!!
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:rofl:
 
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SeriousEffect. said:
Teddy Riley is a brilliant producer. It's funny how most of you are constantly complaining that people should just respect Michael for his professional accomplishments and forget his personal life but won't afford the same luxury to others around him that contributed to his success. We've all heard the Dangerous album outtakes that Michael was working on before Teddy got involved, they sucked to be frank.
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Teddy did some fantastic work on the Dangerous album, but without Michael, what would it be? Not as great, IMO.

I wouldn't say he's a brilliant producer, though. He should have left MJ's original bridge to Hollywood Tonight. Instead, he changes it, making the focus of the song completely different. IMO, he didn't have any right in the world to change this. So, I lost a lot of respect for Teddy just on that alone, never mind the rest of the songs on the Michael album that he was involved in.
 
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sounds a lot like something that was on Michael's box set.

edit...yes..'Someone Put Your Hand Out'.
 
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SeriousEffect. said:
Teddy Riley is a brilliant producer. It's funny how most of you are constantly complaining that people should just respect Michael for his professional accomplishments and forget his personal life but won't afford the same luxury to others around him that contributed to his success. We've all heard the Dangerous album outtakes that Michael was working on before Teddy got involved, they sucked to be frank.

Teddy most likely was going along with the MJ is alive hoax just to help raise publicity for the MICHAEL album. If Michael could have one wish from the grave he would want to keep up the mystery that surrounded him his entire life and what better way than the alive theory?
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Great post. And don't forget when Michael hired Babyface, Bryan Loren and L.A. Reid for Dangerous and then ended up scrapping the whole project, not even keeping one track because they all sounded redundant and dated. Also listen to Bill's Dangerous (which is pretty decent by the way) then listen to Teddy's hypnotic version and how he added that bleek aura to it. HUGE difference.

Teddy Riley single-handedly invented a new genre (New Jack Swing) which not a single producer since then has succeeded in doing. People don't have to like the man's music, that's subjective, but claiming he's nothing special or isn't all that is just laughable.
 
I want to hear MJs version of JOY. I have always loved that song, so this would be great! But, just because he gives to the Estate doesn't mean they will release it?! But, I sure hope so!
 
Putting my Personal grudges aside Teddy Riley is a talented producer. If he wasn't Michael wouldn't have been working with him. That doesn't mean I will be supporting his future endevors nor do I have to. I don't need to call his talent into question for not supporting him. I have my own personal reasons as stated above and thats alright. To each his own. So lets just each discuss our own views and stop insulting each other. OK- If you want to support him fine if you dont thats fine too. Let's be real and bee nice

But to get back on topic .. What do you think of the song "Joy" being released with Michael's vocals, In your opinion do you think it will be a strong contender for being placed on a new MJ album ?
 
OnirMJ said:
Oh, you mean What About Us (Earth Song), Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Slave To The Rhythm, Monkey Business... Yeah they really suck!!

I respect Teddy for his work on the Dangerous album, but he is not the only one who made that record what it is. For me the best songs on that album are Will You Be There produced by Michael Jackson and Who Is It produced by Michael Jackson and Bill Bottrell.

Besides Bryan Loren (although we heard just 5-6 of 25 of his songs), MJ worked also with LA Reid and Babyface (Slave To The Rhythm and more). You can't judge on Bryan Loren leaks that all Dangerous outtakes suck. We didn't even hear Men In Black (apparently the best collaboration with Loren).
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I didn't really mean they sucked, bad use of words.

They sounded dated. Teddy gave Michael street credibility again, if it wasn't for the 93 scandal Dangerous alone would have kept Michael relevant for another 5 years.

Anyone doubting Riley's brilliance as a producer needs to listen to a Bobby Brown track he produced, sonically every song Bobby did could be a Michael song.
 
qbee said:
But to get back on topic .. What do you think of the song "Joy" being released with Michael's vocals, In your opinion do you think it will be a strong contender for being placed on a new MJ album ?
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I really hope it's released...The first time I heard Blackstreet's version, I immediately tried to hear Michael singing it...It'd be beautiful, no doubt :)
 
StellaJackson said:
IMO Teddy Riley should not have anything to do with any future release.
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Oh Oh, too funny!! I am with you on that one though. I wonder how much he got for that song? I guess now we wait to hear if the estate is going to put out an album in the near future, and who the producers would be.
 
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qbee said:
But to get back on topic .. What do you think of the song "Joy" being released with Michael's vocals, In your opinion do you think it will be a strong contender for being placed on a new MJ album ?
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Definitely not Michael's best song in terms of lyrics but still a great tune. I can't imagine it making an impact on the charts but seeing it as a bonus track would be nice!
 
SeriousEffect. said:
I didn't really mean they sucked, bad use of words.

They sounded dated. Teddy gave Michael street credibility again, if it wasn't for the 93 scandal Dangerous alone would have kept Michael relevant for another 5 years.

Anyone doubting Riley's brilliance as a producer needs to listen to a Bobby Brown track he produced, sonically every song Bobby did could be a Michael song.
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Michael is always relevant. He's the best selling artist of all time. He makes everyone else relevant when HE works with THEM..street cred or no street cred. He listened to his own voice..he wasn't chasing everybody else. And for every person that felt they could somehow make MJ 'irrelevant' by not being on one of his fansites, many other fans would be on these sites to make up for them, and keep him relevant.
 
SeriousEffect. said:
I didn't really mean they sucked, bad use of words.

They sounded dated. Teddy gave Michael street credibility again, if it wasn't for the 93 scandal Dangerous alone would have kept Michael relevant for another 5 years.

Anyone doubting Riley's brilliance as a producer needs to listen to a Bobby Brown track he produced, sonically every song Bobby did could be a Michael song.
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I don't agree that they sounded dated (except of Bryan Loren's leaked tracks). But what Teddy brought was something totally new and fresh and that worked really well on Dangerous. I agree with what you said about Dangerous.

I agree that he is (was) a brilliant producer, but his work on Hollywood Tonight was bad. Him working on Cascio songs ruined everything good he did in the past, huge stain.

Also his work on Invincible wasn't something extra special either. I love Heaven Can Wait and Whatever Happens but those are all songs from outside writers. Why didn't he compose something as fresh as Dangerous was in '91?
 
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