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The Chef, Kai Chase's about the day Michael Died (Merged) (All discussion here, please)

well yes, all your points are valid and I want to know the answers to those questions too, all I said was what's the big deal with someone not knowing an address, jeez!
 
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bluemoonchild said:
Well, i also do think that Dr Murray tried his best -- i would add to your list that he accidently fell asleep/gave too much propofol ... i think that, on this day, maybe only on that day, he accidently made a mistake.

you know, i also thought that his cooperation, his voice on that 911-call, showed that he was really working hard to safe Michael. That was real. He really wanted to save his life, I tend to think.
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I don't know what to believe anymore. I don't think this whole things was murder though, the Dr made some HUGE mistakes and it cost Michael his life.

resonnant said:
To add to the other comment: Murray ditched his car when he DIDN'T accompany Michael to the hospital. The car was impounded so they could pinpoint the doctor (according to the media which are lying sacks so who knows?). Why did he leave his car? Where did he go? Who picked him up? Why didn't he go to the hospital? PANIC that's why. And why panic? He's a trained cardiologist!
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Why has everyone got this thing about him already being dead for some time? Didn't it say in the 911 call or I heard it somewhere else that Michael still had a pulse? Also, I thought that the doctor was at the hospital with Michael?

I don't believe that arguement that Prince was asked to watch him perform CPR. I know there are some sick people in this world, but DAMN that is some seriously f***** up s***. So for that reason, and the fact that I don't believe it happened, I won't accept that.
 
andythemisfit said:
Here is the chef's interview:

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32216502#32216502
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Thanks for the link! :flowers:

resonnant said:
Interesting. Kai just stated that Prince DID NOT go upstairs to Michael's room with Murray. I swear I don't know what to believe so I'll be Switzerland for now.

Ugh....Ok, she fed Michael from April through May and Michael was healthy, happy and excited about the concerts. "Vibrant" she states. She said he looked good in black jeans, jacket and glasses. Michael was very UP about the tour. Very excited.

THEN she was let go for only 3 weeks and during those 3 weeks Murray comes on the scene. When she comes back in June he's not vibrant any longer. He looks tired, he's slowed down. Michael is thin and said "Keep me healthy. They're killing me. two rehearsals, they're killing me". She see's Murray coming down with oxygen tanks. June 25, Michael is dead.

It only took Murray 3 weeks to kill Michael. What other conclusion can you draw from this? I believe Kai is telling the truth. I sincerely hope she does cook for Katherine and the children. The children would benefit from her familiarity. So damn sad.
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I agree. Things seemed to go bad during those weeks. If I remember correctly, a LOT was going on outside of rehearsals during those weeks as well. The AGE crap kicked up in those weeks and that big powow meeting at the Beverly Hills Hotel came up. A lot of drama was circling Michael around this timeframe as well. I think the situation with Raymone's lawsuit was coming to a head around this time, too. Those last weeks of May and maybe the first week of June was hectic. And it was at the end of May/June when MJ complained to fans, so.....the timing is about right. How could he be vibrant? Stress was everywhere and he didn't have a proper chef keeping him fed.

The thing is if the chef was getting him back in good health with his meals, and Kenny Ortega was at rehearsal cutting up his chicken, I just don't know how fans were claiming he was getting progressively WORSE 3 weeks later (fan email 4 days before his death). Everyone's perception seems to vary...those who saw him daily and spent hours with him and those who spent a few minutes with him from time to time. I.Just.Don't.Know. :worried:
 
resonnant said:
To add to the other comment: Murray ditched his car when he DIDN'T accompany Michael to the hospital. The car was impounded so they could pinpoint the doctor (according to the media which are lying sacks so who knows?). Why did he leave his car? Where did he go? Who picked him up? Why didn't he go to the hospital? PANIC that's why. And why panic? He's a trained cardiologist!
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Murray was at the hospital, and was in the ambulance going to the hospital as well., that's why his car was left at the house. Now why he didn't go back to get the car before it was towed/impounded, who knows, many possible reasons. And to be clear, I am not trying to defend Murray in any way, just so many stories and misinformation out there that sometimes it boggles the mind.
 
bgz said:
Murray was at the hospital, and was in the ambulance going to the hospital as well., that's why his car was left at the house. Now why he didn't go back to get the car before it was towed/impounded, who knows, many possible reasons. And to be clear, I am not trying to defend Murray in any way, just so many stories and misinformation out there that sometimes it boggles the mind.
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I'm not sure what to say about this. Kai Chase said "he did NOT accompany Michael to the hospital" and that's why the car was impounded "days later" to find out who it belonged to. I dunno...
 
resonnant said:
I'm not sure what to say about this. Kai Chase said "he did NOT accompany Michael to the hospital" and that's why the car was impounded "days later" to find out who it belonged to. I dunno...
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Hmm, just like with so many other things, there's all sort of conflicting stories. I just watched Kai's interview and didn't hear her say a thing about Murray not going to the hospital. But she did say, and then repeated it again when questioned directly, that Prince never went upstairs. That the nanny, all three children, and she (the chef) all remained at the bottom of the stairs in the hall.

Just wondering where you saw or heard Kai say Murray did not go to the hospital?
 
Angel said:
I didn't know that Jermaine was married to Thome's wife:bugeyed. That's weird. Was he the one that got Michael in touch with him?
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She is Tohme's ex(I'm not sure if ex wife or girlf) It is odd eh! Keep an eye on that bunch of people who are determined to have Michael buried at Neverland but are also friends with the owners of Colony Capital(who part own Neverland) and AEG.

http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz....s-fight-to-bury-mj-at-neverland-2009073018426

Hmmm yes I'm sure he will continue that fight, although perhaps in the name of money not brotherly love....
 
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resonnant said:
To add to the other comment: Murray ditched his car when he DIDN'T accompany Michael to the hospital. The car was impounded so they could pinpoint the doctor (according to the media which are lying sacks so who knows?). Why did he leave his car? Where did he go? Who picked him up? Why didn't he go to the hospital? PANIC that's why. And why panic? He's a trained cardiologist!
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Exactly!
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
It is odd eh! Keep an eye on that bunch of people who are determined to have Michael buried at Neverland but are also friends with the owners of Colony Capital(who part own Neverland) and AEG.
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Jesus, they stand to profit from his death. I hope that Katherine does get some more hold on the Trust. I'd hate for certain individuals to get a hold of it...keep it in the family.
 
bluemoonchild - that is not a mistake. That is MALPRACTICE. There is no such thing as "oh, he fell asleep". Then he shouldn't be a frickin doctor!!! If he can't properly administer CPR, if he doesn't know what to do in an emergency situation (ie: call 911 ASAP) and if he cant stay awake long enough to administer something then he SHOULD NOT BE ON DUTY AS A DOCTOR. He failed to do his job. Nevermind the fact that he shouldn't have even been giving Michael something like Propofol, totally out of his field and NOT something he is trained to administer.
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
She is Tohme's ex(I'm not sure if ex wife or girlf) It is odd eh! Keep an eye on that bunch of people who are determined to have Michael buried at Neverland but are also friends with the owners of Colony Capital(who part own Neverland) and AEG.
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So how do we know that Jermaine's wife is his ex? I haven't seen anything that said that.
 
Sifa_Dias said:
So how do we know that Jermaine's wife is his ex? I haven't seen anything that said that.
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Karen Faye wrote that on her facebook. Although, she wrote that she was told that his current wife (Halima) is Dr Tohmes ex-wife.
 
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/32216502#32216502

In this video Kai looks to her left a lot, lying? I know you might not believe that. Looking to your right with your eyes when asked something is 'supposed' to signify recalling a memory and looking to your left is lying. How come she says the Dr was there and arrived at different times to what others have said... The way she does her little cookery demonstration at the end is just tacky IMO.
 
Just seen her on Larry King. I enjoyed hearing what she had to say. I knew Michael was eating fine, all these rumors that he only consumed liquids and was 110lbs are complete nonsense.
 
Hmm, security told the chef, the nanny, etc to leave the premise when the paramedics arrived, why, so they could hide/get rid of evidence. This lady revealed a lot of stuff, the most important thing is she has given "us" a timeline. I bet you she will be getting a call from the LAPD.
 
SexyMamaJo said:
Hmm, security told the chef, the nanny, etc to leave the premise when the paramedics arrived, why, so they could hide/get rid of evidence. This lady revealed a lot of stuff, the most important thing is she has given "us" a timeline. I bet you she will be getting a call from the LAPD.
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On LKL, she said they already spoke to her. Sounds like they interviewed her right after Michael died becuz she had been in the house. My hope is that they've been able to speak with security as well about some things.

She confirms Prince didn't go up the stairs, but I've only seen one written report where she said the doctor also asked her to get security. I'm wondering did she ever go get security or was security nearby and went on their own?

For some reason her name turned out to be one of the aliases used to get meds for Michael. She says she just found out about it and had no idea.

She also said she never met Nurse Lee or knew Michael was consulting Lee about nutrition as well. However, Nurse Lee was on the scene from late January to April and Chase was there March-April and June. Unless Lee was only coming over on weekends when Chase didn't work, I think it's odd they never crossed paths at least once during March and April when they would have both been on the scene.

Also, Chase said Michael only complained about "they're killing me" on one particular day of rehearsal. It wasn't a constant complaint. (my note: Perhaps he was having a bad day as most ppl do and then get over it)

She showed the notes the kids wrote her. Really sweet notes.

The one thing that stuck out to me the most is that she says Michael and the kids requested her back after she was let go. SO, for those saying Michael wasn't in control of who he wanted to hire or have around him, that doesn't seem to be true. This woman was let go becuz of a salary issue. HOWEVER, Michael WANTED her back and he GOT her back. Imma take a wild guess and say whatever the salary issues were, they were suddenly met becuz Michael WANTED her there. And Imma take another leap and say if some folks were fired or dismissed by (insert any controlling entity here), and Michael did not make a request to correct the situation, he may have been satisfied with those persons being gone. Juuuust a guess. Sounds like Michael was still very much in control of who he wanted to hire and work for him. And this was as recent as June2 when Kai was brought back.

The other thing I took note of is that she said she sometimes packed Michael and Dr. Murray's dinner for them to take to rehearsal. So, even tho she packed that dinner, I don't think she can be 100% sure Michael actually ate it...or ate all of it. So the idea that he was eating properly might still be a half and half situation. And I still think he probably needed to eat more than breakfast lunch and dinner to maintain weight and add extra poundage.

She was also on Access tonight and Billy Bush asked her if Michael ever flirted with her....that's on tomorrow's show. They didn't preview her answer but the reaction they showed looked like "something" happened that shocked her...in a good way. :shifty:
 
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wendy2004 said:
On LKL, she said they already spoke to her. Sounds like they interviewed her right after Michael died becuz she had been in the house. My hope is that they've been able to speak with security as well about some things.

She confirms Prince didn't go up the stairs, but I've only seen one written report where she said the doctor also asked her to get security. I'm wondering did she ever go get security or was security nearby and went on their own?

For some reason her name turned out to be one of the aliases used to get meds for Michael. She says she just found out about it and had no idea.

She also said she never met Nurse Lee or knew Michael was consulting Lee about nutrition as well. However, Nurse Lee was on the scene from late January to April and Chase was there March-April and June. Unless Lee was only coming over on weekends when Chase didn't work, I think it's odd they never crossed paths at least once during March and April when they would have both been on the scene.

Also, Chase said Michael only complained about "they're killing me" on one particular day of rehearsal. It wasn't a constant complaint. (my note: Perhaps he was having a bad day as most ppl do and then get over it)

She showed the notes the kids wrote her. Really sweet notes.

The one thing that stuck out to me the most is that she says Michael and the kids requested her back after she was let go. SO, for those saying Michael wasn't in control of who he wanted to hire or have around him, that doesn't seem to be true. This woman was let go becuz of a salary issue. HOWEVER, Michael WANTED her back and he GOT her back. Imma take a wild guess and say whatever the salary issues were, they were suddenly met becuz Michael WANTED her there. And Imma take another leap and say if some folks were fired or dismissed by (insert any controlling entity here), and Michael did not make a request to correct the situation, he may have been satisfied with those persons being gone. Juuuust a guess. Sounds like Michael was still very much in control of who he wanted to hire and work for him. And this was as recent as June2 when Kai was brought back.

The other thing I took note of is that she said she sometimes packed Michael and Dr. Murray's dinner for them to take to rehearsal. So, even tho she packed that dinner, I don't think she can be 100% sure Michael actually ate it...or ate all of it. So the idea that he was eating properly might still be a half and half situation. And I still think he probably needed to eat more than breakfast lunch and dinner to maintain weight and add extra poundage.

She was also on Access tonight and Billy Bush asked her if Michael ever flirted with her....that's on tomorrow's show. They didn't preview her answer but the reaction they showed looked like "something" happened that shocked her...in a good way. :shifty:
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The day of Mr. Jackson’s death, I didn’t see him. But his room was upstairs, so that wasn’t unusual. Dr. Conrad Murray had been coming over daily since I returned to the Jackson house in the beginning of June. He would normally arrive around 9 a.m. and leave shortly after lunch. I didn’t really know him well, but everyone in the house was friendly with each other, and he was no exception.





I'm confused...i thought Murray the Scumbag used to stay over night??
 
Wow, I need a cig for this.

Ok, does anyone agree with me on this. Michael was murdered.

By whom and why is the question.

Jermaine has been pushing the neverland thing a lot and mike did not want to ever go back there even in death.

If Mike is buried in neverland and turned into a muesem of some type there is a lot of money to be made. Some one thought about this and with graceland as an example they know this to be true.

Wow, this hurts my heart just thinking about it.

So the doc is an escape goat. Some one came in his room and killed him. Doc get's there and his dead and all hell breaks loose.

Yo, this is f***d up. If this shit is true, and MJ ends up at neverland I will never go there. I will burn the sh** to the ground.
 
I saw the chef's interview on Larry King Live.

Authorities will want to key in on what she said about usually seeing Murray come down stairs at certain time of morning with 2 oxygen tanks and the morning of June 25th, that didn't happen. Of all she has said this will be key.

I also heard her when she said Prince stayed at bottom of stairs when he was called by Murray. She explained how she was not allowed to go upstairs in private area of house and maybe The Dr yelled for Prince because he could. She also said something about maybe the dr was in shock.

I enjoyed listening to her but I could tell, she was self promoting in the most dignified and suttled of ways; if that can be imagined. I won't hold that against her. I found it obvious.

One thing I found uncomfortable though, The beautiful colored private box from paris with the special and cute notes. I just hope, she had permission from the kids or their grandmother before showing the world. I thought that was too private, even though it was cute and very sweet of Michael's kids, not sure when they wrote it they had the idea in mind of it someday being shared with the world on national tv.

Can you imagine how many paps and tabloid journalist are gonna be after those hand written notes from Michael's kids now?

Sorry, i am a parent, speaking from that perspective.
 
Naad said:
The day of Mr. Jackson’s death, I didn’t see him. But his room was upstairs, so that wasn’t unusual. Dr. Conrad Murray had been coming over daily since I returned to the Jackson house in the beginning of June. He would normally arrive around 9 a.m. and leave shortly after lunch. I didn’t really know him well, but everyone in the house was friendly with each other, and he was no exception.





I'm confused...i thought Murray the Scumbag used to stay over night??
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This kinda confused me, too. How could he arrive in the morning if he was supposed to be staying the night? Lord help us all if this man was administering propofol to Michael overnight and then leaving the house completely? :mello: It's not like Michael would know cuz he'd be knocked out...with no clue that the doctor that was supposed to be monitoring him was out doing who knows what. I made a crack a couple of days ago about Murray possibly leaving the room to go have an affair/rendevous...turns out he actually has some experience in that sort of thing. :fear: ANYWAY, this also leads to another theory of there possibly being another person left in charge of "watching" Michael sleep while Murray slipped out. If Murray didn't stay the full night, then someone else had to be up there do the watching, otherwise, this just gets more and more reckless by the day...at least in our speculative minds.
 
True about the kids' gifts and such.

You know, I wonder about these people who hop from network to network peddling their story. Those I take what they say with a grain of salt.
 
She said Murray came down the stairs in the morning around 9-9:30. But he arrived overnight when she's leaving, after dinner etc.
 
wendy2004 said:
This kinda confused me, too. How could he arrive in the morning if he was supposed to be staying the night? Lord help us all if this man was administering propofol to Michael overnight and then leaving the house completely? :mello: It's not like Michael would know cuz he'd be knocked out...with no clue that the doctor that was supposed to be monitoring him was out doing who knows what. I made a crack a couple of days ago about Murray possibly leaving the room to go have an affair/rendevous...turns out he actually has some experience in that sort of thing. :fear: ANYWAY, this also leads to another theory of there possibly being another person left in charge of "watching" Michael sleep while Murray slipped out. If Murray didn't stay the full night, then someone else had to be up there do the watching, otherwise, this just gets more and more reckless by the day...at least in our speculative minds.
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Maybe he usually stays the night but that night he decided to go somewhere...hence why Michael Died.
 
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