Thinking about suicide...

Chanya

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I don't want to scare anyone, but for the first time in my life the thought has become very real to me and I don't know what to do. I have tried reaching out to Victoria for a long time, but I got no response so I have to post it here. I am afraid to be alone with my thoughts. :( I am worried for what will happen. It's like I am facing this big, black wall that I can't get past and the only way to get around it is to end it all. :cry: The thought comes into my head too often now. I am worried. :(
 
:huggy: Awww. We all have a hard time some times. Admitting it is important. Have you got friends or family you can talk to? Or go speak to your doctor?
 
I don't want to scare anyone, but for the first time in my life the thought has become very real to me and I don't know what to do. I have tried reaching out to Victoria for a long time, but I got no response so I have to post it here. I am afraid ngto be alone with my thoughts. :( I am worried for what will happen. It's like I am facing this big, black wall that I can't get past and the only way to get around it is to end it all. :cry: The thought comes into my head too often now. I am worried. :(

No, dont think like that ever! Life is a gift, dont take it for granted! By contiplating suicide your just building that wall up higher and higher! You have to fight those thoughts, and let yourself see the good things about yourlife!
Stay strong!
x
 
We're always here to talk to. I understand your pain but please understand you are precious to all of us here. Specifically I remember some of your posts in July 2009 (when I joined) made me feel better.

You are precious and not alone!!

Have you ever called one of the suicide hotlines?
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=66247
I don't say that like, "just go call this number and everything will be fine", like an easy answer, but because those people are trained to help in this exact situation. They will take you seriously and not judge you.

Do you have any family members/friends/religious leaders/teachers you feel you could talk to? HUGS AND LOVE TO YOU!! Please stay safe....
 
Thanks guys. I don't want to worry people too much, but I felt I had to reach out to somebody. I don't know what will happen. I have my grandma to talk to, but not sure she would understand. I just hope there is some way out of this, because I don't WANT to do it, deep down inside, but I keep feeling the urge. And that is what worries me. The thought comes into my head more often than it used to, and things look so dark lately that I am worried that the thought will take over me. :(
 
Well, suicide is such a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Try to look at the positives in your life, and the negatives won't seem so bad. Honestly, we've all felt lousy at some point in our lives. I'm not saying that you aren't going through something terrible, but maybe you're focusing too hard on it.. We've all just gotta ride the waves. I promise that one day you will look back and you will be glad you didn't give up on life, which is such a precious gift to us all.

I don't know what else to say without knowing why you feel this way.. Can you elaborate on what it is that's really upsetting you??
 
Please, if you have no one close to talk to, try and see your doctor - are you in the US? Im in the UK so not sure how thing work there but in the UK you can get yourself referred to a counsellor (I work as one in a local women's centre). You maybe need someone impartial to help you through this. A friend or member of your family is a good place to start but if it doesn't get any better you should try and access some more help sweetie.

I wonder if there are any voluntary organisations where you live? Google it - there are often free counselling services for the young/out of work.

Please keep in mind that moods change and although you may feel desperately unhappy at the moment that can change. Talking on here may help - if you are worried about alarming someone I wonder if you have a particular "buddy" on here who can support you?
 
*hugs*
Chanya said:
I just hope there is some way out of this, because I don't WANT to do it, deep down inside, but I keep feeling the urge
I think you have the answer right there. You don't want to do it really. That means someday you will be so thankful that you didn't take your life.

Take a good look in your life and all the persons you love, things you like to do, places you want to go, things you want to experience someday. Could you really let it all just go? We all have tough moments in your life but we'll get through them, and so will you! :yes: :huggy: Just stay strong! We're always here to help you :yes: You are important :heart:
 
Please don't do that! :no:
Keep the faith!
We're a family here! We can help you!
If you need to talk we're here! :flowers:
 
Sweetie if you wanna talk feel free to PM me!! I have had these thoughts myself and people on this forum have helped me through it!! So if you want to talk to someone who understands just send me a PM!!

Keep your head up hun xxxxx
 
I don't want to scare anyone, but for the first time in my life the thought has become very real to me and I don't know what to do. I have tried reaching out to Victoria for a long time, but I got no response so I have to post it here. I am afraid to be alone with my thoughts. :( I am worried for what will happen. It's like I am facing this big, black wall that I can't get past and the only way to get around it is to end it all. :cry: The thought comes into my head too often now. I am worried. :(

Oh girl, please don't let yourself fall. You need to act together now. What became of your plans to start a new life (if I remember correctly)? What is your life today?

I know...Michael's death has disillusioned many things in life. But during this time we're all in the same boat. Letting go of your past requires effort and energy, but your own strength and courage will kick in. You'll not only survive, you'll be wiser, more peaceful, and more centered than before if you learn to let go of your past. You have to find ways to help yourself. I do it, too. I read a lot and listen to music without interruption.

This article could help you for the first. It's worth reading - even if it is a real bad translation. Maybe you can take something away from it for your life.

I wish you the best.:angel:



Impulse issue 02/2002 short articles by Ulrich Schaffer said:
Releasing

"We often can't change the circumstances of our lives, but we can always change our attitude to these circumstances. Learn the attitude of letting go is a huge step in this direction. It is not a panacea, but a surprising number of problems dissolve into thin air, if we are able to let go. "

We have many problems, because we can't let go. We hold on to something and think that something should be changed accordingly or we depend upon us: a man, a situation, a circumstance. If it does not happen then, we find it hard to deal with it and begin to suffer. The tighter we hold on to something, the more we suffer. Letting go is the ability to understand that we can't determine something. We may ultimately be determined only through our own lives, and even this is not always possible. If we spill on the life of another human being, if we have expectations - they are also so subtle and hidden, if we want to determine how to run something and building upon certain circumstances which we havn't also clear then our suffering usually begins. We suffer the most from our attitude, not to the circumstances and conditions of our lives.
Many problems arise at all only because we hold it. In interpersonal this is patently often: One holds the other and if they defend the Detained, begins the suffering of one who holds fast. "But you have yet to see .... But you must try to understand .... But you have yet to see .... But you have to admit ...." The other person must not do it all . And we also don't need the other person to see, understand or admit. Everything that we give each other is a gift. How free we could be here another and each other!

The solution of a problem can only be done if you develop a different attitude than the one by which the problem has arisen.

Our attitudes are very strongly implicated in the origin of our problems. Thus a man may have the attitude that the world owes him something and he had a right to expect. With the attitude of many disappointments are inevitable. It is not then sufficient to work only in solving the problems. Man needs a new attitude. The old attitude may be: "Everything depends on me." This creates a problem. The man then tried it with the attitude: "Everything depends on me to resolve," and it is not possible, but is usually worse. Only when he takes the attitude of "Nothing must be addressed toward me," he will be able to solve the problem. Yes, perhaps he will no longer have the problem when he takes up the new attitude. The old attitude may be: "And I just really want something and it is given to me," This creates the problem. With this attitude, he has focused increasingly on that what he wants, to force itcondescended, and the problem is bigger. Only when he is ready to move into an attitude in which he can say: "I will not get much in life as much as I would like it to me also," it gets better. Perhaps he will succeed then to focus on what he has to. So if you are altering his attitude was not, will find at the next corner again a problem which has arisen from this position.

Do as you would not have

We have something and then we hold it tightly. At some point we have it no more and start to suffer. There is nothing in the world that we have forever. Neither the happiness with our partner, nor enough money to fulfill all of our wishes to be neither permanent tangible presence of God, nor the deep satisfaction with himself, neither health nor youth. We may have something for a while, but then our life changes. This change is very painful - we are switching from one state to which we have already got used entirely - in another state that we do not like and which we reject. But this second condition will inevitably occur at some point. Therefore, it seems appropriate to think along with him already " while we live in the first state. While there is something, think with that one, it will eventually have no more. That does not mean "to be negative". But one should proceed from the ups and downs of the world. The more you learn this attitude, one is more grateful for everything, what you have. And gratitude is a huge problem-solver!
Sometimes the matter of course is our worst enemy. What we have had for a while, we take for granted. "Because it is now so is it always be this way", we mean. We say it is not, but we believe it. And then comes the change. It is a sign of maturity when you know that everything, absolutely everything, eventually changed. It's good to have this change already in your head to avoid being cut by it from the shoes. The only certainty we have is that everything changes.

Do not let go behind-the-Can hides a secret claim.

It is the old attitude that we have rights. We also have rights. I have expressed that some years ago in the book "Fundamental Rights", in which I have described 42 basic rights. We have the right to divide our time, we have the right to choose our friends, we have the right to grieve to grow, to rebel, and much more, but these rights must not encroach on the life of another person. So we don't have the "right to love, how many people think." At the moment we think that we expect from another human love - we force someone to love us and you can not, because love is only a gift that can not be demanded. We call something. Because we want to experience how life turns to us. But in this request, there is always a little pampering. We want to have something to prove. But life just want something different from us at the moment.
We wish to encourage, but life has prepared a challenge for us. Already we are suffering again. We must learn that we need to give ourselves what we expect from the people and circumstances around us.

© Ulrich Schaffer, for the momentum range at kummernetz.de (. At. Ch). The contents of this website are copyrighted.
 
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Chanya babe. You're a wonderful amazing person. I know you are stronger than this. Keep the faith as Michael said.

PM me ANYTIME. ANY TIME.x
xxx
 
I don't want to scare anyone, but for the first time in my life the thought has become very real to me and I don't know what to do. I have tried reaching out to Victoria for a long time, but I got no response so I have to post it here. I am afraid to be alone with my thoughts. :( I am worried for what will happen. It's like I am facing this big, black wall that I can't get past and the only way to get around it is to end it all. :cry: The thought comes into my head too often now. I am worried. :(


chanya hun, you can pm me anytime...just stay strong right? :cry: I have been wondering where you been...haven't seen you around lately :huggy:

I did send you a couple of pm's actually but they may have been lost went the site went down :(

lotsa :huggy: for you Chanya xxx
 
Chanya!
We all loveyou here. And we will do anything to help, but maybe you have to go to a professional. Maybe they will help you in the best way possible.
Just remember you are a beautifull, wonderfull girl. AND WE ARE ALL HERE FOR YOU!
:hug:
PM me if you need too ok?
Love you!
 
Chanya,
Now that Michael has passed, he is not far away from us anymore, he's not half-way across the world, or a couple of blocks away, he is located in the most closest part of everyone, our heart.

Michael will love FOREVER in all of our hearts.

If you have religious beliefs, talk to God, he is always there. He will direct you to Michael in your heart.

If you don't believe in God, Michael is still there in your heart. Talk to him, he will always be listening.
 
Sorry! I have an ancient computer and my PM feature doesn't work very well. (Can't always even get IN to my PM box.)

Chanya, I KNOW. There are times when sadness is overwhelming. I'd say contact the U.S. suicide hotline, for one thing. But also, know that the acuteness of grief is NOT permanent, and this WILL pass. You have family, and much to live for. You also have the wonderful people on this board.

My suggestions: break the normal pattern. Get OUT and see people, do social things, if even it's only going to a library or coffee shop. Somehow, it's important to break the trend of obsessing over your (our. . ) loss. I'd also suggest journaling. If you write in a journal consistently, you'll see that there are bright moments mixed in with the grief. There really are. . . . . I'd also say, volunteer for something. . some charitable project where you live. I don't mean just things online, but something hands-on. You will meet other good people that way, and that effort will have meaning. I do the same through my church (Unitarian/Universalist). We have many social-justice projects where I feel that I'm contributing something meaningful. Maybe you could do the same type of thing?

And also. . . there is Michael. In a strange way, now that Michael has passed, he is even more present. it's hard to explain. . . of course we have the music and videos, still, but it's more than that. Sometimes I sense that I can feel his presence, even moreso than when he was "here" with us. It's hard to explain, but I'm sure others have experienced this?

Hang in there. This WILL get better. It will. . . . . . it has to. . . . . .

hugs,

Victoria
 
Thank you guys, the responses have meant a lot to me. When you feel so desperate and alone, it often helps to know someone loves you and are listening. I have been afraid to make such a thread because I don't want people to worry but I felt like I had to. Chances are I won't commit suicide ever, but I have been dangerously close in my mind, and that scares me a lot so I'm worried that something may push me over the edge.

Things haven't exactly been going well in my personal life either. I won't get into that here, but it's complicated, frustrating and there seems like there is little hope for the future at times. But I hope I will be ok.

As for Michael, from time to time, sometimes weeks in between, just from seeing his face on TV or hearing his songs on the radio, it hits me all over again like a ton of bricks that he is really GONE and my stomach ties to a knot and the tears press on. Just the idea that such a beautiful and loving and unique human being who was such a big part of people's lives is gone forever... It's unbearable at times. Other times I seem to accept it. But it really kills me to think about the fact that he is never ever coming back. Never. Not even in thousand years :cry: That thought really kills me.
 
Chanya..I am so sorry that you are hurting the way that you are....we are always hear for you....Please dont feel that suicide is the only way out...it isn't.

It is very difficult to deal with the loss of Michael...but please know that you are not alone...we here all feel your pain..we understand what you are feeling...

As far as your personal life goes...I am sorry I dont know what is going on..but...remember there is never anything that happens to us in this world that we cannot over come....I know that you do have the strength inside you to deal with whatever the problem maybe. ...please feel free to pm me ..I will help you the best I can...:hugs:...
 
When that thought comes to you, of ending your life.....take a moment to imagine what your life could actually be..

Just think what you could achieve, accomplish, how you could change or improve the world....

If your life were to end early, you would be a big loss to the world - trust me! Nobody is unneccessary here, we are all here for a reason. Sometimes when there is a lot of darkness in our lives, we cannot see the reason so the thought occurs 'why go on?'
But there is reason, you choose the reason and create the life you want. :D

Just remember, you can talk to all of us here, we are HERE FOR YOU. :D

Dont feel bad about your thoughts.....many many people have that thought from time to time. Its not important. Whats imprtant is how you handle it.

Allow yourself to feel the grief, and pass through it. YOU WILL PASS THROUGH IT.

Michael would want you to live.....if you allow it, he will help you through this, I'm sure of it from personal experience.

HUGS AND LOVE
 
Chanya...you wrote a poem about MJ coming into your life when you were 8. I read it twice. It made me smile. It seemed as though the lyrical wording came very easily for you. I mention it because writing may be talent you have, a gift given to you to express emotions on paper, that get caught up inside, and need some way to surface. Why not spill all those emotions on paper or a computer screen.

Just write out everything, and anything you're feeling, not for anyone's viewing, but you. It doesn't even have to make sense. Just let your thoughts fly, putting them down may give you better clarity and understanding to get through the rough periods that we ALL go through. It might even make you think of things you are grateful for.

Don't show what you write to anyone or even reread it if you don't want. In fact, after you write it all out, delete it. Take a deep breath, and get on with your day.

OR...why don't you try to create a story. A fictional piece with characters that come to life through your own imagination. They can be happy or sad, whatever you want. The world you create could be your escapsim, and we all need it sometime because life can indeed be difficult.

Just think of MJ. He was gifted with extraordinary talent, brains, inner and outer beauty, a big family, wealth, and love from tens of millions of peoply, but still he suffered. At the height of his career, he was afflicted with a skin disease that for others in the public eye would have permanently crippled them. But Michael wouldn't let it. He didn't let anything really stop him, and the man was publicly ridiculed, betrayed, threatened with prison, and downright crucified. But he never stopped loving and giving of himself.

You can get through this rough period. It may be difficult, but just put one foot in front of the other, each day and every day, and eventually you'll be through that black wall of darkness. It may come back again, but that's okay, you'll be able to handle it.

Michael NEVER gave up on life, even though there were some wild reports to the contrary. And frankly, with the kind of betrayals he had in his life, including his own sister years ago, I'd be shock if he didn't have those kind of passing thoughts. But if those thoughts ever happened, they were obviously just that, passing thoughts. Because Michael Jackson persevered. He drew on a courage and determination that I believe exists in all of us. You have it, too.
 
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Thanks guys. I don't want to worry people too much, but I felt I had to reach out to somebody. I don't know what will happen. I have my grandma to talk to, but not sure she would understand. I just hope there is some way out of this, because I don't WANT to do it, deep down inside, but I keep feeling the urge. And that is what worries me. The thought comes into my head more often than it used to, and things look so dark lately that I am worried that the thought will take over me. :(

Hello Chanya.
If you need to talk you can Pm me. I am a good listener. I've been through some hard times in life and I truely know how it feels to feel alone and seem like there's no one to talk to or who understand.
PM me if you need me.
 
Yes Victoria, please?

The others, let me get back to your posts in a short while.

God bless you all for being so good to me through all this.
 
Hi Chanya - sorry I haven't got msn here to chat.

But as I said in my PM, i'll always answers messages, so whenever you need to talk, you know where to find me :)
 
chanya where have you been girl???? :cry:

we should talk on msn! I miss you
 
Starlight, I have sent you many messages these last few months about talking again on MSN. I never got a response, even when I saw you online. It broke my heart, girl. I really liked talking to you back then when we used to talk. :cry:
 
Starlight, I have sent you many messages these last few months about talking again on MSN. I never got a response, even when I saw you online. It broke my heart, girl. I really liked talking to you back then when we used to talk. :cry:

Im soooooooo sorry my life got so crazy with school and work. :(I meant to write back but there was just so much craziness going on. I remember writing you one night that I would be online but then ended up going to a concert. I came home and it was so late I went to sleep and thats the last time I talked to you. I feel so bad about it. please forgive me :cry: I never forgot about our awesome chats though. I really miss them. :hug: ;D Are you going to see the this is it movie?
 
Chanya, I'm praying for you girl :) I really hope you're feeling better. PM me or IM me on MSN or email me any time!!! If I don't respond it's either because I'm at work or no access to the internet.

I really just want to reach into the computer and give you a hug :(

Take care!

Love, Elisha

xoxoxox
 
And also. . . there is Michael. In a strange way, now that Michael has passed, he is even more present. it's hard to explain. . . of course we have the music and videos, still, but it's more than that. Sometimes I sense that I can feel his presence, even moreso than when he was "here" with us. It's hard to explain, but I'm sure others have experienced this?

Victoria

I agree Victoria...and when Michael was alive, I had absolutely no chance to meet him, ever, I'm sure of that.

But now...I feel him more, it's in my heart, I can't explain it, but now I feel closer...it's like a spiritual thing, like he can be with everyone of us :wub:

Just think of MJ. He was gifted with extraordinary talent, brains, inner and outer beauty, a big family, wealth, and love from tens of millions of peoply, but still he suffered. At the height of his career, he was afflicted with a skin disease that for others in the public eye would have permanently crippled them. But Michael wouldn't let it. He didn't let anything really stop him, and the man was publicly ridiculed, betrayed, threatened with prison, and downright crucified. But he never stopped loving and giving of himself.

You can get through this rough period. It may be difficult, but just put one foot in front of the other, each day and every day, and eventually you'll be through that black wall of darkness. It may come back again, but that's okay, you'll be able to handle it.

Michael NEVER gave up on life, even though there were some wild reports to the contrary. And frankly, with the kind of betrayals he had in his life, including his own sister years ago, I'd be shock if he didn't have those kind of passing thoughts. But if those thoughts ever happened, they were obviously just that, passing thoughts. Because Michael Jackson persevered. He drew on a courage and determination that I believe exists in all of us. You have it, too.

:cry: wow, what a beautiful post :cry: I agree, Michael went through so much and never gave up. He was so dignified in the face of everything :cry:...even when it must have been unbearable.

Chanya, you have the courage too :better:
 
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