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Re: Files moved from Murrays office on the day before he died

geekgirl101 said:
I read! Maybe this is where the idea that Michael was dead for 2 hours is coming from. I'm really worried now. :( What time did Michael wave to his fans that morning?
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in the morning? he did..? wow i didnt know
 
Re: Files moved from Murrays office on the day before he died

Lily said:
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Dr. Murray didn't call 911, security did, probably because for that 30 minutes from the time he was "found" before 911 was called he was too busy calling those accomplices! He couldn't remember the address to call for help but he remembered to call the office to remove evidence. :angry: When anyone calls 911 emergency the address automatically comes up for the dispatcher to see so that's his sorry excuse. He wasn't in on this shit alone, I called it from the start, there's a group of them and he's taking the fall. They're all going to hell and the sooner the better imo. :mello:
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They are going, specifically, to Dante's Hell.
 
Re: Files moved from Murrays office on the day before he died

oh jesusss...
ggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..
i hope that doctor and his accomplices die tragically and painfully and suffer forever in hell. :angry:
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Re: Files moved from Murrays office on the day before he died

Lily said:
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Dr. Murray didn't call 911, security did, probably because for that 30 minutes from the time he was "found" before 911 was called he was too busy calling those accomplices! He couldn't remember the address to call for help but he remembered to call the office to remove evidence. :angry: When anyone calls 911 emergency the address automatically comes up for the dispatcher to see so that's his sorry excuse. He wasn't in on this shit alone, I called it from the start, there's a group of them and he's taking the fall. They're all going to hell and the sooner the better imo. :mello:
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Yes straight to hell. I too from the start have thought it was murder, I don't care what people say about my opinion and looking at me mad. My gut instincts said so. Its just so very sad :( I feel we owe it to Michael to enquire about all this. As I said once before, he gave everything he had to others and put us first, we need to make sure we keep putting him first now.

Get his cellphone records now. Who wanted Dr Murray to kill Michael if it wasn't an accident??
 
Re: Files moved from Murrays office on the day before he died

I feel so sorry for Michael Jackson :cry: he suffered all his life having to deal with shady people and judged and ridiculed constantly and then had to go through gruelling trial being wrongfully accused of the worst crime on earth and now he had to die murdered. AEG live needs to answer for this. they know this guy isn't even licensed to prescribe drugs but yet they hired him???
 
Re: Files moved from Murrays office on the day before he died

StaceyMJ said:
I think that was the night before.
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Could've sworn they said on the news that he was waving to them and barely a couple of hours later was found not breathing in his home.
 
Re: Michael's time of death questioned now...

People hire storage facilities for any number of reasons so I find it hard to believe that a storage manager would question someone taking something out of storage... it would be none of his business.
 
Re: Files moved from Murrays office on the day before he died

geekgirl101 said:
Yeah, I read it a while back he was that morning waving to his fans.
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By "morning", I'm thinking they meant shortly after midnight. Like when someone says it's 1230 in the morning, versus 1230 in the afternoon, if that makes sense.
 
Re: Jackson's Time of Death in Question

A. Jackson comes home from practice (1:00AM--2:00AM)
B. Murray puts Jackson under (2:00AMish)
C. Murray falls asleep or leaves or whatever he did and Jackson DIES
D. Murray realizes earlier in the day that Jackson is dead but can't call the cops because of all the equipment he has there.
E. Murray and his killer crew remove O2 tanks and other equipment as well as move files from storage (9:00AM-9:30AM). This means that the killer knew Jackson was dead but still didn't call anyone but his crew.
F. Murray goes back and "discovers" Jackson "not breathing" and fakes the CPR bit.
G. Murray calls 911

PRISON PRISON PRISON
 
Re: Jackson's Time of Death in Question

The thing is, "morbidity" sets in not too long after death. Won't go into details because they're not pretty, but if he had been dead for hours before his arrival at the hospital, I absolutely cannot fathom the ER physicians continuing any cpr attempts at that point. When someone is cold, gray, mottled, and starting to get rigid or is rigid, further attempts are not started. That's really the only reason I tend to think he did not die earlier that morning, like several hours earlier.
 
Re: Jackson's Time of Death in Question

OU812 said:
A. Jackson comes home from practice (1:00AM--2:00AM)
B. Murray puts Jackson under (2:00AMish)
C. Murray falls asleep or leaves or whatever he did and Jackson DIES
D. Murray realizes earlier in the day that Jackson is dead but can't call the cops because of all the equipment he has there.
E. Murray and his killer crew remove O2 tanks and other equipment as well as move files from storage (9:00AM-9:30AM). This means that the killer knew Jackson was dead but still didn't call anyone but his crew.
F. Murray goes back and "discovers" Jackson "not breathing" and fakes the CPR bit.
G. Murray calls 911

PRISON PRISON PRISON
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It may have gone like that... but what about reports by fans he was waving at the gates in the morning... or were those reports put out by Murray....
 
Re: Jackson's Time of Death in Question

myfavouritewintercoat said:
It may have gone like that... but what about reports by fans he was waving at the gates in the morning... or were those reports put out by Murray....
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That's the first time I've ever heard about him waving at the gates in the morning. Is there a thread for that? It would make no sense for Jackson to take Propofal if his practice started at 2:00PM.
 
Re: Jackson's Time of Death in Question

bgz said:
The thing is, "morbidity" sets in not too long after death. Won't go into details because they're not pretty, but if he had been dead for hours before his arrival at the hospital, I absolutely cannot fathom the ER physicians continuing any cpr attempts at that point. When someone is cold, gray, mottled, and starting to get rigid or is rigid, further attempts are not started. That's really the only reason I tend to think he did not die earlier that morning, like several hours earlier.
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According to wiki rigor mortis sets in after about 3 hours. Unless there is a way to delay it that I don't know about.
 
Re: Jackson's Time of Death in Question

jrsfan said:
According to wiki rigor mortis sets in after about 3 hours. Unless there is a way to delay it that I don't know about.
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Low temperature can delay rigor mortis. I saw it on a forensic show that some guy put the air conditioner on and it made it seem like the time of death was later than it really was.
 
Re: TMZ Reports

this was the same dr who performed cpr and knew mj was dead yet REFUSED to call it and have to sign the death cert. he told them to take him to the hospital so it could be out of his hands....great man.
 
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Oh no this is weird. I really had a feeling from early on in this whole tragedy that MJ died way earlier than the 911 call was made, and I felt that the Dr knew that he had died way earlier. Now I'm reading this stuff about the scramble for files etc and it all sounds very suspicious and makes me sick. IF the Dr, and/ or whoever did some wrong then I really hope it can be proven and people can be brought to justice. It won't bring MJ back but at least people responsible for his death will be punished.
 
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and THAT is y he is a suspect...he LED them to the STASH in HIS room that had the propofol. dumbass
 
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^^ riiiight! it's funny that he wanted to give back the ''secret money'', how generous of him!!
 
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These last couple of reports are...weird. If the LAPD missed the drug stash the first time they searched the house, they couldn't have searched very hard. If Murray hadn't allegedly slipped up, this evidence would have gone undiscovered. And since they didn't seal off the house, they can't prove the stash was undisturbed between Thursday and Monday. And what's all the drama with the "secret" account? Wouldn't Michael have had the right to save up for a new house?
 
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b/c maybe he was hiding it so he didn' thave to pay on his debt. he had a trust for just that i think. however much he made, he had to put some to the debt automatically. who knows

but they would search 'logical' areas of the home. if they didn't think the dr was a suspect, no reason to search his room. just the places where mj frequented in the home.

and this is y teh dr is a moron.
 
Re: TMZ Reports

If this is true, then why did they work on him for an hour when he got to the hospital? I'm sure the paramedics would have told them he was flatlined. Who would have more authority in calling his time of death Dr. Murray or the ER doctor(s)?

If the ambulance pic is legit, he didn't look frail and old to me.
 
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mera said:
If this is true, then why did they work on him for an hour when he got to the hospital? I'm sure the paramedics would have told them he was flatlined. Who would have more authority in calling his time of death Dr. Murray or the ER doctor(s)?

If the ambulance pic is legit, he didn't look frail and old to me.
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They tried their best because they wouldn't have known just how long he'd been gone. 10 minutes? An hour? As far as they knew, there could have been a chance to save him. Here's a quote from an AP article about how that specific hospital can almost perform miracles on cardiac arrest patients:

"When Michael Jackson went into cardiac arrest, rescuers took him to a place known for bringing the dead back to life. A world-renowned surgeon at the UCLA Medical Center has pioneered a way to revive people that most doctors would have long written off, including a woman whose heart had stopped for 2 1/2 hours." -- Here's a link (it's also on FoxNews, USA Today, etc)... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31686168/ns/health-heart_health

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Also, when they knew it was Michael they probably did more than they would do for somoene else, even knowing it would be futile. Maybe they were worried about lawsuits or knowing the eyes of the world were on them.

If Michael arrived at the hospital and they did not even try, questions would have been asked about why they did not try etc.
 
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Paramedics and hospitals job is to still work on trying to get a pulse or beating heart, inspite of a flatline. They didnt know how long he had been out.. People have been dead for several minutes and even pronounced dead and come back to life when they operate those machines on them. Unfortunately in Michaels case he had been gone for too many minutes..
 
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Seven said:
Also, when they knew it was Michael they probably did more than they would do for somoene else, even knowing it would be futile. Maybe they were worried about lawsuits or knowing the eyes of the world were on them.

If Michael arrived at the hospital and they did not even try, questions would have been asked about why they did not try etc.
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Exactly, this may sound unfair.. But the truth is that whenever an accident occurs to wealthy people like royality and other famous polititians, ofcourse they will try to work on them as much as they can. They use resources that arent even necessary just to make sure they did everything they could... My opinion is that Michael was long gone dead when they found him, his soul was up in heaven by the time he arrived at the hospital, they knew he was ''dead'' but they did everything in their power, worked on him for over an hour to try to get any sign of life but they knew it was too late and thats when they stopped.

Its no longer a case of ''Michael Jackson rushed to hospital after cardiac arrest'', its now a case of ''Michael Jackson found dead''. Because he was FOUND dead. He didnt die in the care of paramedics nor the hospital staff.
 
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Seven said:
Also, when they knew it was Michael they probably did more than they would do for somoene else, even knowing it would be futile. Maybe they were worried about lawsuits or knowing the eyes of the world were on them.

If Michael arrived at the hospital and they did not even try, questions would have been asked about why they did not try etc.
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Exactly, I do think he may have been dead before they took him to hospital :(
 
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