Vote that it was murder, not manslaughter!

[eStyle]

Well no coz non of us know if it was murder, so we cant just say it is because thats what we want. Dont get me wrong if michael died because of this man then i want him to be dealt with just as much as everyone else but when all we have heard is newspaper storys (which as mj fans we know never to trust), then we cant just go around stating this man deliberitly killed michael. Remember when mj was in court and everyone was calling him sick and such, remember how much we all hated that nd how much we hated the fact that no one but his fans would let michael hav his time to prove his inocence before being judged. Plz dont be biased just becoz u r an mj fan, we all no that michael wouldnt agree with jodging sumone before knowing true facts.

What a nice post, THANK YOU!

 

[amyzabeth]

...That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

Really? Don't you remember the whole thing with Sony and Michael in 2001-2002? Also head of Sony right now bid on the ATV catalog but Michael got the money together first. Also, who said Murray was Michael's choice? Randy Phillips? :smilerolleyes: nuff said.

Another thing, how is Murray paying for everything? $1million in debt $35,000 in child support, house payment (he was about to lose his house but he still has it) security, 4 "big time" lawyers, his "royal" helicopter that he came in on when he was surrendering? And please don't tell me it's his insurance, otherwise I want the name of his insurance company because I'll get me that insurance too. lol

What is your reasoning for saying "That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard?" What is your opinion on how Murray is paying for all of this? I would really like to know. Since you think that you know better than what the person you replied to is stating.

Again, I don't have "facts" to prove this. But I try to put two and two together and come up with a logical conclusion. Which it would in turn only be my opinion.

Opinion - a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

 

[MicHil]

Didnt Michael hand pick Murray? So how could he have been part of a plan to kill Michael?

and how do we know that?
i want proof that Mike hired Murray, let me see the contract.

how do we know AEG didn't hired him?

The only blind ones in here. Are the fans blinded by love........




Oh yeaaaaaaaahhh

What are we supposed to not be able to see btw? There is nothing to say that Murray killed Michael on purpose. So how exactly are we blind?

To me it seems he gave MJ propofol. Left his bed side, came back to find him not breathing. Tried to revive him, EVENTUALLY phoned 911. Realized he had just killed the biggest and most loved pop star in the world and fled out of fear.

The only suspicious thing is waiting so long to call 911.

Why did he left the hospital? Why was he no where to be found for like 2 days after the 25th? why did he tell the coroners he did CPR on the floor when on the phone the guy clearly stated that Murray was doing CPR on the bed. why did he called 3 others before calling 911. why did he show no remorse or guilt if this whole shyt was accidental?

why did he lied saying he didn't administered any drugs that could have led Mike to nap.

after reading 3/4 through the Coronor's report, there is no doubt in my mind that this is all intentional and not just an OOOPPSSSYY.

There are no infusion pumps to control of an IV infusion, no monitors!
Blood Pressure cuffs and portable pulse oximeter were in a closet... in the other effing room, so tell me again how in the hell was he monitoring Mike?
the Oxygen tank in the room was empty!!

most important question of all. WHY IS THERE LETHAL AMOUNT OF PROPOFOL IN MIKE'S SYSTEM???? not to mention other drugs that was given to him before that!! if Murray had been giving Mike propofol before 25th then why this mistake? this is TOO BIG of a mistake to make. PROPOFOL was identified in his blood, urine, his liver, his stomach and vitreous humor (that's the space between the lens and retina of the EYEBALLS)!! tell me again how he only gave Mike enough to put him to sleep again. i swear.

proof to me again that we are so damn wrong. that we are effing blind. do it!

I'M AM MAD.

atleast we have facts to based our opinion on.
Your "maybe he did this because this/that" reason ain't good enough.

 

[clarac]

I can appreciate that comparison...but this is a doctor. It's what he is trained to do, he took an oath, he should have ethics. Even giving Michael propofol is wrong enough, but to leave him unattended, to not use necessary equipment, to wait to call 911, to repeatedly give him a combination of drugs that was a risk...there's so many things wrong in this picture. Involuntary manslaughter does not seem enough to me.

Look don't get me wrong,I don't agree with it and if he was sentenced to life I'll be more than happy,but we are not above law,and they fall under the same casistic.
The drunk guy knows the dangers of dui,so to me it should be murder,but it's not according to law and a doctor position is even more protected.
For all the things you have listed I hope he will be charge with additional charges as the trial begins,to severe even more his position.
I can't see evidence for a murder so far.I wish we had it,but so far we don't.

 

[pamarella]

While I agree that we don't know for certain if it was murder, and we probably never will, it is NOT the same thing. If anyone else says that about murray and Michael's situations being the same again, I'm going to scream. Michael never did ANYTHING to that kid. Michael is DEAD now because of murray. He is. Everyone knows it, and he's being charged with his death. the idiot gave Michael propofol (and the other drugs) and that is what killed Michael. I'm not guessing, I'm not speculating, it's not a case of he said/she said - it's fact. murray even admitted it, and there is EVIDENCE/PROOF. So no, they are not the same!!!!!!!!

Everyone knows that Murray gave Michael the propofol, but it appears throught the investigation that Murray did not INTENTIONALLY kill Michael. That would be murder. I have yet to hear people who were with Michael during the time he was preparing for the THIS IS IT concert say that there was somthing fishy or about Murray. I wish the charges were manslaughter and not involuntary manslaughter.

People compare the guilt and innocents of Murray for the same reason that Michael was accused of a crime. People were screaming that Michael was guilty before his case went to trail. It is so freak amazing how some fans forget that. Murray has to go through his trail just like Michael did.

Although the crimes are different, the presumption of being innocent is the same.

 

[PlatinumMJFan]

I have a question, if someone knows that someone is giving something to them, is it still classed as murder? According to MJs nurse Michael asked for Propofol. So if it's true what the nurse is saying, then Michael knew what he was taking.

Also did Murray fled when MJ was taken to hospitial? Or did he stay? Some people are saying he stayed till the Jackson family arrived and some are saying he was no place to be seen?

 

[L.T.D]

and how do we know that?
i want proof that Mike hired Murray, let me see the contract.

how do we know AEG didn't hired him?




Why did he left the hospital? Why was he no where to be found for like 2 days after the 25th? why did he tell the coroners he did CPR on the floor when on the phone the guy clearly stated that Murray was doing CPR on the bed. why did he called 3 others before calling 911. why did he show no remorse or guilt if this whole shyt was accidental?

why did he lied saying he didn't administered any drugs that could have led Mike to nap.

after reading 3/4 through the Coronor's report, there is no doubt in my mind that this is all intentional and not just an OOOPPSSSYY.

There are no infusion pumps to control of an IV infusion, no monitors!
Blood Pressure cuffs and portable pulse oximeter were in a closet... in the other effing room, so tell me again how in the hell was he monitoring Mike?
the Oxygen tank in the room was empty!!

most important question of all. WHY IS THERE LETHAL AMOUNT OF PROPOFOL IN MIKE'S SYSTEM???? not to mention other drugs that was given to him before that!! if Murray had been giving Mike propofol before 25th then why this mistake? this is TOO BIG of a mistake to make. PROPOFOL was identified in his blood, urine, his liver, his stomach and vitreous humor (that's the space between the lens and retina of the EYEBALLS)!! tell me again how he only gave Mike enough to put him to sleep again. i swear.

proof to me again that we are so damn wrong. that we are effing blind. do it!

I'M AM MAD.

atleast we have facts to based our opinion on.
Your "maybe he did this because this/that" reason ain't good enough.

Its called giving the benefit of the doubt, which everyone deserves. If this was nothing to do with Michael, you'd all be trying to give Murray the benefit of the doubt. But because its Michael hes killed, you'd like to believe the worst about him. Plain and simple.

There is no proof to say Michael had hand picked im. Just like there is no proof that he didnt.

Its just that there are a lot of us here that are at least being fair and are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didnt kill him intentionally.

You really need to calm down btw. Sounds like you were getting a bit worked up in your post. Or your auditioning for a part in a film.

YOU PROVE TO ME THAT MURRAY KILLED MICHAEL INENTIONALLY. GO ON, DO IT! PUT ME OUT OF MY DAMN MISERY! :''(!!!!!!

I hate to go here. But when Michael was accused of child molestation. The haters would allways say stuff like. 'Oh come on! He slept in the same room as the kids and was inviting kids to Neverland!' They wouldnt even give Michaels side of the story a chance.

Thats kind of what your doing with Murray.

 

[aliana101]

Either it was a murder or Murray is plain stupid!!

 

[L.T.D]

Either it was a murder or Murray is plain stupid!!

He's stupid............

 

[The Moonwalker]

I'll say what I keep on saying...

Does anybody actually believe that Murray intentionally killed Michael? And if so, for what reason? I seriously do not believe that he had any motive for killing the man who was, let's face it, paying his wages. Yes, he committed a crime but it was a crime of negligence NOT an intentional killing out of malice.

I believe the manslaughter charge fits the bill. Just my opinion.

 

[L.T.D]

I'll say what I keep on saying...

Does anybody actually believe that Murray intentionally killed Michael? And if so, for what reason? I seriously do not believe that he had any motive for killing the man who was, let's face it, paying his wages. Yes, he committed a crime but it was a crime of negligence NOT an intentional killing out of malice.

I believe the manslaughter charge fits the bill. Just my opinion.

People keep bringing up a conspiracy theory that he was hired by Sony/ATV to kill Michael. Which is a pretty harsh accusation to make when there is no trace of Sony having anything to do with this at all.

 

[Snow White 1937]

I don't care what a bunch of TMZ readers have to say, I don't want to visit their website, they are full of BS anyway.

Whether it was murder or manslaughter, I just don't think that a maximum of 4 years in prison is enough.
Yes, Murray's actions were stupid, I just think it's strange that an experienced cardiologist makes more mistakes than some amateur.

 

[helena22]

It was a murder, in.my.opinion. But, I'm open to the possibility of manslaughter as well. It's just that I've been leaning towards the possibility that it was a murder. Also, he shoulda been charged with 2nd degree murder at least.

 

[MicHil]

Its called giving the benefit of the doubt, which everyone deserves. If this was nothing to do with Michael, you'd all be trying to give Murray the benefit of the doubt. But because its Michael hes killed, you'd like to believe the worst about him. Plain and simple.

There is no proof to say Michael had hand picked im. Just like there is no proof that he didnt.

Its just that there are a lot of us here that are at least being fair and are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didnt kill him intentionally.

You really need to calm down btw. Sounds like you were getting a bit worked up in your post. Or your auditioning for a part in a film.

YOU PROVE TO ME THAT MURRAY KILLED MICHAEL INENTIONALLY. GO ON, DO IT! PUT ME OUT OF MY DAMN MISERY! :''(!!!!!!

I hate to go here. But when Michael was accused of child molestation. The haters would allways say stuff like. 'Oh come on! He slept in the same room as the kids and was inviting kids to Neverland!' They wouldnt even give Michaels side of the story a chance.

Thats kind of what your doing with Murray.

wow...

okay i don't usually do this to ones who mocks me but...
since i already made promises and you're just a kid, I understand, I used to mock people too when i was a kid cos i thought i knew everything so rather....
please forgive me for my uncontrollable emotions of rage and my bitterness towards the coronor's report.

but do me one favor. don't compare Mike to Murray.
IMO, Murray leans towards guilty every time new information comes out, while Mike is the opposite. it's like comparing the outcome of Mike's trial to OJ's trial. if you hate to go there, don't go there is all i got to say.

Don't bother replying, I'm done with this thread and seems best to just add you to the ignore list (no offense, i do this so i won't end up getting threads locked again)

and Murray is not that stupid, no one is that stupid. but of course that's just my opinion :smilerolleyes: maybe I'm giving too much credit to human beings.
---

it doesn't matter what votes that TMZ's poll gets, it won't change anything but get more visiting rate to that shitty site.

 

[L.T.D]

wow...

okay i don't usually do this to ones who mocks me but...
since i already made promises and you're just a kid, I understand, I used to mock people too when i was a kid cos i thought i knew everything so rather....
please forgive me for my uncontrollable emotions of rage and my bitterness towards the coronor's report.

but do me one favor. don't compare Mike to Murray.
IMO, Murray leans towards guilty every time new information comes out, while Mike is the opposite. it's like comparing the outcome of Mike's trial to OJ's trial. if you hate to go there, don't go there is all i got to say.

Don't bother replying, I'm done with this thread and seems best to just add you to the ignore list (no offense, i do this so i won't end up getting threads locked again)

and Murray is not that stupid, no one is that stupid. but of course that's just my opinion :smilerolleyes: maybe I'm giving too much credit to human beings.
---

it doesn't matter what votes that TMZ's poll gets, it won't change anything but get more visiting rate to that shitty site.

Im 18, not really........a kid. Seems like the kiddy thing to do would be to try and downlay my comments by saying im just a kid...ironically. Oh and I thought you might get it wrong. I wasnt comparing Michael to Murray. I was comparing fans judgement of the Michael trial, to Murray. I just find it to be hypocritical in ways

Why would you tell me you are adding me to the ignore list? That seems like something a kid would do. By all means add me to the ignore list, but dont tell me about it just to get at me.....

I dont know why im replying anyway, if you actually have added me to your ignore list.

 

[Gottobethere]

Its called giving the benefit of the doubt, which everyone deserves. If this was nothing to do with Michael, you'd all be trying to give Murray the benefit of the doubt. But because its Michael hes killed, you'd like to believe the worst about him. Plain and simple.

There is no proof to say Michael had hand picked im. Just like there is no proof that he didnt.

Its just that there are a lot of us here that are at least being fair and are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didnt kill him intentionally.

You really need to calm down btw. Sounds like you were getting a bit worked up in your post. Or your auditioning for a part in a film.

YOU PROVE TO ME THAT MURRAY KILLED MICHAEL INENTIONALLY. GO ON, DO IT! PUT ME OUT OF MY DAMN MISERY! :''(!!!!!!

I hate to go here. But when Michael was accused of child molestation. The haters would allways say stuff like. 'Oh come on! He slept in the same room as the kids and was inviting kids to Neverland!' They wouldnt even give Michaels side of the story a chance.

Thats kind of what your doing with Murray.

I've got to agree, there are people here who are being very biased and ignoring the facts, if i am honest my heart want Murray to be tried for murder and go away for a long time but i have to let my brains do the thinking.

 

[meena76]

Murder!!!!!

 

[GameGirlAdvance]

Im 18, not really........a kid. Seems like the kiddy thing to do would be to try and downlay my comments by saying im just a kid...ironically. Oh and I thought you might get it wrong. I wasnt comparing Michael to Murray. I was comparing fans judgement of the Michael trial, to Murray. I just find it to be hypocritical in ways

Why would you tell me you are adding me to the ignore list? That seems like something a kid would do. By all means add me to the ignore list, but dont tell me about it just to get at me.....

I dont know why im replying anyway, if you actually have added me to your ignore list.

In a way, your right. When Michael was on trial, we looked at both sides of the story and came to the conclusion that he was not guilty. but we pass a quick judgement on Murray before we know all the facts, just because we know nothing about him. We're the ones being hypocrits.

I'm looking into both sides of the tale. My view so far? Yes, Murray killed Michael. But it was not murder. I've seen no evidence of murder. Everything I've seen so far is pointing to manslaughter.

Those who shout 'murder' should stop and actually think for a minute. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

But I should realise by now that I'm wasting my breath with you people. You all only have tunnel vision on the matter. But if you want to let your anger cloud your judgement, go ahead...You'll only get hurt in the end.

 

[hplusf]

I'm on the manslaughter bandwagon but I do understand why people would think it is murder as much as I understand why Jackson family members are looking for a cospiracy behind Michael's death, they lost their son, their brother, they more than us are full of grief and surely they also feel full of regret for knowing about Michael's addiction and not being able to help him.
The circumstances surrounding Michael's death surely don't help, I mean, I understand Michael wanting this drug and Murray willing to give it to him for money, it's not ethical nor professional but I do understand the arrangement they had, what is beyond understanding is why and how could Murray not take basic precautions while administering such dangerous drugs, if not for Michael's sake, for his own.
We heard that Michael called Frank that night/morning saying he had pain in his chest, chest pains can lead to all sorts of bad things, a doctor who had his patients best interests at heart would have called an ambulance or taken him to a hospital.
The careless demonstrated by Murray makes sense assuming he actually intended to kill Michael, but why would he?
People always say "follow the money" and sure someone who wanted Michael dead could have thought, Murray needs money, we offer him a few millions, he does the job, he risks a maximum of 4 years but with good lawyers it might be half of that and when he comes out he doesn't need to work anymore. Sure no "normal" person would do it but I can see someone desperate for money doing it.
So when you analyze the elements it all seems plausible but there is a huge piece of the puzzle missing: motive.
Who could want Michael dead for money?
When you look at movies, tv shows and even real life the first suspects that come to mind when a potentially huge inheritance is on the horizon are relatives hoping to get their slice of the cake earlier, but...seriously, even with their internal fights I don't think anybody in the world would believe one of theme was involved.
So we are left with the the usual suspect: Sony.
Some people believe Michael's death is part of a scheme to regain control of the ATV catalog, Michael dies, the family inherits the catalog, they need money and they sell it back to Sony. Seems like a plan but not in real life, morals aside, Sony has smart businessmen, they'd know Michael's assets would have gone in some form of estate and be monitored by a judge, it would have been a very long shot to plan something like that and expect it to succeed.
So, who else could be after the money? AEG? unlikely, to theme Michael was much more worth alive.
As we're in "fictional mode" we could put in the mix Paul McCartney, he's had a grudge over the Beatles catalog for years, in late 2008 or early 2009 Michael said he was upset by these feelings and wanted to make things right giving the catalog to Paul after his death and after a few months he dies...but...again...seriously?!?!?!No one would believe Paul would go to such extremes to get the catalog back.
No matter how I try, I just can't find any possible scenary that make sense in which someone could have had motive to arm Murray's hand in order to kill Michael.
The truth is that while Michael seems to be more valuable dead, to all the people surrounding him, be it family, leaches, entourage, record company he was more valuable alive.
Ultimately i believe Michael's death will go down in history books as the most famous case of medical malpractice.

 

[L.T.D]

In a way, your right. When Michael was on trial, we looked at both sides of the story and came to the conclusion that he was not guilty. but we pass a quick judgement on Murray before we know all the facts, just because we know nothing about him. We're the ones being hypocrits.

I'm looking into both sides of the tale. My view so far? Yes, Murray killed Michael. But it was not murder. I've seen no evidence of murder. Everything I've seen so far is pointing to manslaughter.

Those who shout 'murder' should stop and actually think for a minute. Everyone deserves a fair trial.

But I should realise by now that I'm wasting my breath with you people. You all only have tunnel vision on the matter. But if you want to let your anger cloud your judgement, go ahead...You'll only get hurt in the end.

Im applauding my laptop screen while reading this! Well not really. But I feel like it......... haha PERFECTLY put.:clapping:

 

[MJsBadGirl]

I dont have doubds that it was a murder...Dr. Murray is just a part of this crime...
I am not gonna tell about some really suspicious facts..We all know about them.
I know there are people who really believes that it was a pure accident..Oh! Yes! Dr. Murray gave him a propofol and he died by accident...
Hey! Guys! It's very professional murder...Very good fairytale for everybody: " Michael's health wasnt perfect...Moreover...he had a depression (the depression could be caused by medicines too)) Very serious...he had an addiction to pain killers! Someone think he was crazy....Then it's very simple...It's not a surprise that one day he died..."
But dont you think that we've already herd this story too many times... And it's very easy to believe this "accidental" death, it's a good way out for everybody, for killers and for fans,for the media too...It could happen to many common people...
But that was Michael Jackson! And his death couldnt be an accident!
Dr' Murray really deseves a trial...And i know that God one day reward Michiael's killers according to their deserts...Dr' Murray too...Even if it was non premeditated murder it doesnt mean that it less punishable offence...

 

[amyzabeth]

In a way, your right. When Michael was on trial, we looked at both sides of the story and came to the conclusion that he was not guilty. but we pass a quick judgement on Murray before we know all the facts, just because we know nothing about him. We're the ones being hypocrits.

I'm looking into both sides of the tale. My view so far? Yes, Murray killed Michael. But it was not murder. I've seen no evidence of murder. Everything I've seen so far is pointing to manslaughter.

Those who shout 'murder' should stop and actually think for a minute. Everyone deserves a fair trial.
But I should realise by now that I'm wasting my breath with you people. You all only have tunnel vision on the matter. But if you want to let your anger cloud your judgement, go ahead...You'll only get hurt in the end.

opinion - a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Go read the coroner's report, understand it. Then come back and tell "us" who are "shouting murder" that we are not "thinking", or that we are being "unfair" to Murray.

"Us people", for the past 7 months, all "we" have been doing was thinking, analyzing, researching, discussing, listening, and notifying others. The only thing to do now is to take action. Such as, calling and emailing LAPD/DA office which we have already been doing.

What have you been doing? What makes you think that you have more knowledge to what has happened?

 

[L.T.D]

opinion - a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Go read the coroner's report, understand it. Then come back and tell "us" who are "shouting murder" that we are not "thinking", or that we are being "unfair" to Murray.

"Us people", for the past 7 months, all "we" have been doing was thinking, analyzing, researching, discussing, listening, and notifying others. The only thing to do now is to take action. Such as, calling and emailing LAPD/DA office which we have already been doing.

What have you been doing? What makes you think that you have more knowledge to what has happened?

Yeah, but not with an open minded. You've all wanted to believe it was murder from the start, so when you see certain facts your already leaning more towards believing it was murder.

Its not over the course of 7 months either. People were saying it was murder literally 2 or 3 days after he died and Murray had ran away.

Think about this. If you were planning a murder, would you have made it so obvious? Its quite obvious to everyone that Murray killed Michael, if your conspiring to kill someone. You wouldnt leave all that evidence around and have it known that the doctor was there. It would be cleverly concealed and we'd be sitting here discussing whether he had actually killed him or not. Not if it was manslaughter or murder.

To me, if it was murder. It would have been cleverly disguised as an overdose and that Michael was administering these drugs to himself.

Do you think Murray would agree to be a part of it if he was going to be charged with manslaughter and go to jail for 4 years? Oh, and what would he get out of it? Nothing, Michael was the one paying his bills!

Unless Murray wasnt the only one there and somebody else killed Michael. In that case Murray might not have even killed him at all.

But you fail to see all of this because youd rather believe Murray killed Michael so he will serve the ultimate punishment for killing your idol.

To me, Michael wanted to sleep and requested Murray give him something to help him sleep. Which was propofol. Murray obviously left Michael when he shouldnt have and returned to find him not breathing. Performed CPR (Coroners report says he dragged him of the bed, not sure what to believe)/ Personally I think there is some confusion of the timeline in which Murray found Michael not breathing and when he phoned 911.

Then how I see it, hes terrified because hes just killed the worlds biggest pop star and panicked and fled the scene. Only to come to his senses and return a few days later. I think anyones natural reaction is to run if they have done something bad, some people act upon it and some dont. Can you imagine how he must have felt knowing hed just killed MICHAEL JACKSON!? He must have been in a massive state of panic and thats why he fled the scene. But thats just my opinion.

 

[StaceyMJ]

Everyone has their own beliefs/opinions, and all of them are welcome here at MJJC. All that we ask is that you respect each other, and where it's appropriate agree to disagree. That's all I'm going to say, so carry on.

 

[GameGirlAdvance]

Yeah, but not with an open minded. You've all wanted to believe it was murder from the start, so when you see certain facts your already leaning more towards believing it was murder.

Its not over the course of 7 months either. People were saying it was murder literally 2 or 3 days after he died and Murray had ran away.

Think about this. If you were planning a murder, would you have made it so obvious? Its quite obvious to everyone that Murray killed Michael, if your conspiring to kill someone. You wouldnt leave all that evidence around and have it known that the doctor was there. It would be cleverly concealed and we'd be sitting here discussing whether he had actually killed him or not. Not if it was manslaughter or murder.

To me, if it was murder. It would have been cleverly disguised as an overdose and that Michael was administering these drugs to himself.

Do you think Murray would agree to be a part of it if he was going to be charged with manslaughter and go to jail for 4 years? Oh, and what would he get out of it? Nothing, Michael was the one paying his bills!

Unless Murray wasnt the only one there and somebody else killed Michael. In that case Murray might not have even killed him at all.

But you fail to see all of this because youd rather believe Murray killed Michael so he will serve the ultimate punishment for killing your idol.

To me, Michael wanted to sleep and requested Murray give him something to help him sleep. Which was propofol. Murray obviously left Michael when he shouldnt have and returned to find him not breathing. Performed CPR (Coroners report says he dragged him of the bed, not sure what to believe)/ Personally I think there is some confusion of the timeline in which Murray found Michael not breathing and when he phoned 911.

Then how I see it, hes terrified because hes just killed the worlds biggest pop star and panicked and fled the scene. Only to come to his senses and return a few days later. I think anyones natural reaction is to run if they have done something bad, some people act upon it and some dont. Can you imagine how he must have felt knowing hed just killed MICHAEL JACKSON!? He must have been in a massive state of panic and thats why he fled the scene. But thats just my opinion.

and it's not just that. When you've done something SO terrible, guilt can play tricks on you..and you can go into a state of denial, to make it easier to cope with...Trust me, I've been there..

You only want to believe it's murder because you want to see him suffer for killing Michael...Thats not your brain and heart telling you that...Thats your rage speaking for you..

I will not deny that I am VERY angry at Murray....But I'm not letting my emotions cloud my judgement...I say he's guilty of manslaughter..But I will continue to research before I make my decision official to me...I did the same for Michael...I believed he was innocent...So I did my research..and the evidence suggested my decision was right...I will do the same for Murray...

Equal treatment for anyone who is human..

 

[amyzabeth]

Yeah, but not with an open minded. You've all wanted to believe it was murder from the start, so when you see certain facts your already leaning more towards believing it was murder.

Its not over the course of 7 months either. People were saying it was murder literally 2 or 3 days after he died and Murray had ran away.

Think about this. If you were planning a murder, would you have made it so obvious? Its quite obvious to everyone that Murray killed Michael, if your conspiring to kill someone. You wouldnt leave all that evidence around and have it known that the doctor was there. It would be cleverly concealed and we'd be sitting here discussing whether he had actually killed him or not. Not if it was manslaughter or murder.

To me, if it was murder. It would have been cleverly disguised as an overdose and that Michael was administering these drugs to himself.

Do you think Murray would agree to be a part of it if he was going to be charged with manslaughter and go to jail for 4 years? Oh, and what would he get out of it? Nothing, Michael was the one paying his bills!

Unless Murray wasnt the only one there and somebody else killed Michael. In that case Murray might not have even killed him at all.

But you fail to see all of this because youd rather believe Murray killed Michael so he will serve the ultimate punishment for killing your idol.

To me, Michael wanted to sleep and requested Murray give him something to help him sleep. Which was propofol. Murray obviously left Michael when he shouldnt have and returned to find him not breathing. Performed CPR (Coroners report says he dragged him of the bed, not sure what to believe)/ Personally I think there is some confusion of the timeline in which Murray found Michael not breathing and when he phoned 911.

Then how I see it, hes terrified because hes just killed the worlds biggest pop star and panicked and fled the scene. Only to come to his senses and return a few days later. I think anyones natural reaction is to run if they have done something bad, some people act upon it and some dont. Can you imagine how he must have felt knowing hed just killed MICHAEL JACKSON!? He must have been in a massive state of panic and thats why he fled the scene. But thats just my opinion.

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Well, that's gonna be it for me in this thread, because obviously my questions aren't being answered. So I guess we can agree to disagree. Also, just wanted to point out that you have some of your "facts" wrong.

And Done....

God Bless, kid

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Manslaughter 62%
Murder 38%

62% of the voters are clueless. That's my opinion.

 

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Manslaughter 62%
Murder 38%

62% of the voters are clueless. That's my opinion.

Guess that makes me clueless.

 

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To me, if it was murder. It would have been cleverly disguised as an overdose and that Michael was administering these drugs to himself.

Wasn't the MAJOR headline "ACCIDENTAL OVERDOSE" those few days after Michael died? Wasn't it suggestsed that Michael could have administered the dose himself?

Do you think Murray would agree to be a part of it if he was going to be charged with manslaughter and go to jail for 4 years? Oh, and what would he get out of it? Nothing, Michael was the one paying his bills!

"You will do anything for money." mj

And how are you so sure Michael was the one paying his bills...Michael wasn't even paying his own bills. AEG was paying for Michael's house.

Unless Murray wasnt the only one there and somebody else killed Michael. In that case Murray might not have even killed him at all.

That's another possible scenario, in which Murray MUST have some type of connection with, or an idea of who these other people or person was that was in the house along with him. But why so quiet Murray??

But you fail to see all of this because youd rather believe Murray killed Michael so he will serve the ultimate punishment for killing your idol.

I am NOT failing to see all of that. And seeing all of that is what brings the suspicions for first degree murder. I guess we're both looking at the picture two different ways. You might be looking at it upside down, or on its side.

To me, Michael wanted to sleep and requested Murray give him something to help him sleep. Which was propofol. Murray obviously left Michael when he shouldnt have and returned to find him not breathing. Performed CPR (Coroners report says he dragged him of the bed, not sure what to believe)/ Personally I think there is some confusion of the timeline in which Murray found Michael not breathing and when he phoned 911.

Of course that is what Murray will say in his defense. If I were a person like Murray, I'd say that too.

And what? Dragged him out of bed. Now, I haven't read the report, but dragged Michael out of bed for what?

Then how I see it, hes terrified because hes just killed the worlds biggest pop star and panicked and fled the scene. Only to come to his senses and return a few days later. I think anyones natural reaction is to run if they have done something bad, some people act upon it and some dont. Can you imagine how he must have felt knowing hed just killed MICHAEL JACKSON!? He must have been in a massive state of panic and thats why he fled the scene. But thats just my opinion.

Don't doctors go through intense training for years to learn of what kinds of medications work inside patient's bodies and interactions and all that stuff?? Did Murray go to medical school?

massive state of panic? if he were THAT panicked, wouldn't he have NEVER left the room in the first place??? since he OBVIOUSLY knew how important to him his patient, MICHAEL JACKSON was.

 

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Wasn't the MAJOR headline "ACCIDENTAL OVERDOSE" those few days after Michael died? Wasn't it suggestsed that Michael could have administered the dose himself?

Nothing was clear after those few days he died. It soon became apparent that Michael had been killed.

"You will do anything for money." mj

And how are you so sure Michael was the one paying his bills...Michael wasn't even paying his own bills. AEG was paying for Michael's house.

How are we sure that Michael wasnt paying the bills? You dont know either way. However it has been reported that Murray was Michaels handpicked personal doctor.

I am NOT failing to see all of that. And seeing all of that is what brings the suspicions for first degree murder. I guess we're both looking at the picture two different ways. You might be looking at it upside down, or to the side.

So im the one looking at it the wrong way, simply because my opinion differs from yours? Look, so far all of the evidence points to Manslaughter. They have had professional detectives looking into this whole case who have determined it was Manslaughter. But im looking at it the wrong way.......? Yet you think im looking at it the wrong way? :\

Of course that is what Murray will say in his defense. If I were a person like Murray, I'd say that too.

And what? Dragged him out of bed. Now, I haven't read the report, but dragged Michael out of bed for what?

To perform CPR on the floor rather than the bed. I dont know what to believe. The coroners report said he dragged him to the floor. But then I heard originally he performed it on the bed.

Don't doctors go through intense training for years to learn of what kinds of medications work inside patient's bodies and interactions and all that stuff?? Did Murray go to medical school?

Well hes a dumbass im not denying that.

massive state of panic? if he were THAT panicked, wouldn't he have NEVER left the room in the first place??? since he OBVIOUSLY knew how important to him his patient, MICHAEL JACKSON was.

Well, I dont think Michael was actually dieing when he left the room. Or he was unaware Michael was dieing. So I dont see any reason why he would of been panicking at that point :\ haha