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Was Michael Jackson really murdered? Who did it? Let's talk about it

1.What would be Dr. Murray's motive for intentional murder?? money??? & 2. wasn't he seen carrying alot of boxes of this drug, out of his office into his truck prior to June 25?

Doesn't that show he was planning on using it?? or is that irrelevent????
 
BillieJean84 said:
1.What would be Dr. Murray's motive for intentional murder?? money??? & 2. wasn't he seen carrying alot of boxes of this drug, out of his office into his truck prior to June 25?

Doesn't that show he was planning on using it?? or is that irrelevent????
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Yes Murray might have been planning to use them. I don't see any difference between Murray and a drug dealer on the street. But Murray was so very excited to escort Michael to London and living and earning big bugs for 6 months. He DID NOT plan to kill Michael.
 
Victoria83 said:
Amber, these are great finds, and thanks. The thing is, I don't think Jermaine made a mistake when he initially said Tohme was the doctor present when Michael died. Jerm is not all that smart? I think Tohme WAS there. And Murray probably went to see the girlfriend, came back to find Michael gone, too late to revive. The rest was utter panic and clean-up.

Despite recent "difficulties" here in the I.U., I am now even more convinced that Tohme was the one who killed Michael. Not sure why Murray is not free to speak, but it may be a combination of carrot and stick (a lot of money promised, and threats).

I have no idea if Tohme is any sort of medical doctor, but I'll bet Michael thought he was, and in that sense would have been more comfortable with Tohme prescribing meds or even doing procedures. I KNEW I heard Jerm say Tohme was the doctor with Michael. I think that in the chaos of the moment, when the murder was reality and not just an "assassination plan," some people may have told more of the truth than was wise for them?

No one has ever found proof that Tohme is a medical doctor. I think Murray was necessary because Tohme couldn't prescribe or acquire meds, but Murray could. Tohme totally LIED when he said he was an ambassador (Senegal). His material vanished from websites immediately following Michael's death. I think he's the consummate con-artist. He said several times that he was "in control" of Michael, his career, finances, everything. Then as time went on, Michael became afraid of him but didn't know how to "lose him." I think it was probably through Tohme that Murray came into Michael's life, either through Jermaine or a body-guard. I think Murray was "selected." Then either he was always supposed to be the fall-guy, or even got cold feet and Tohme stepped in.

Now it's looking like Murray will get off with manslaughter and no prison time? This is NOT over. . . . . . .

I am concerned about Murray's safety, actually. He KNOWS what happened. I hope he doesn't "drop dead" on the street like that guy who worked with Klein?????? I hope he eventually "sings."
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Victoria, I agree with everything you have said.
Thome hired the security, if Thome had showed up late night on June 24th even before or after Michael got home from rehearsal, security would've let him in.
Thome is totally capable of committing murder. He had threaten Michael and Julien auctioneers etc.
Murray said that in his time line that he gave first sedative to Michael to help sleep at 1:30 am.
According to TINI follower fans who were there at Staples Centre, mentioned in there testimonies, that Michael left Staples Centre at 1:30 am.
So that proves his time line was 'cooked'.
Murray took off from the UCLA hospital just few minutes after Michael was pronounced dead, then he met with his lawyers at Ritz Carlton Hotel next day. He had 'meeting' with the lawyers and LAPD at this luxurious hotel.
Who is paying for all these including 24/7 security.
Probably Murray was promised all these for playing along.
 
Also I believe the 'news' came out or published instantly on June 25th. It could have some truth, since no time to fabricate the reality. So I think Jermaine told the truth that Thome was Michael's home at the time of his death (or collapse or found not breathing).
 
AmberR said:
Also I believe the 'news' came out or published instantly on June 25th. It could have some truth, since no time to fabricate the reality. So I think Jermaine told the truth that Thome was Michael's home at the time of his death (or collapse or found not breathing).
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I've always believed that Jermaine comes from the shallow end of the "Jackson gene-pool." He may have just run his mouth about what he really knew, without realizing the implications. . .
 
Agreed,there are more pieces of truth said on 6/25.I remember very well someone saying Mike was found with a faint pulse.Was it Murray's attorney?
Is CPR performed on someone who has pulse?
After everything was fabricated,it started raining lies.
 
AmberR said:
I don't see any difference between Murray and a drug dealer on the street.
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Murray is worse. No client expects the drug dealer

to take care of them, and they are not paid to do that.

Murray was.
 
Victoria83 said:
I've always believed that Jermaine comes from the shallow end of the "Jackson gene-pool." He may have just run his mouth about what he really knew, without realizing the implications. . .
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Exactly - and Jermaine's comment about Michael's personal doctor (Tohme) being with him at home was everywhere in the press. A few days later there were reports that Jermaine "misspoke" and really meant Murray. Well, where I come from "misspoke" is generally an euphemism for "lying" or a Freudian slip?? We all know that Tohme was there with Jermaine--is it such a leap that he WAS actually at Michael's house? Not for me.
 
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I've also been wondering about Thome, but then what Firpo Carr wrote seems to contradict that he's the killer:

"...AEG and Dr. Tohme Tohme may not be silent culprits in Michael's death. ....
But, kill the King of Pop (really, the King Of All Music!)? Not likely, based on new information I've been made privy to, but am not at liberty to share at this time. "
(This is from the first post on this thread: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81590)

I know some interpret this as saying that they were not *silent* culprits (ie saying between the lines that they are the real culprits) but then he outright says the exact opposite, at least that's how I understood it. So he could have been in the house, actually I also believe that Jermaine probably said the truth and Thome was in the house, but he was not the one who killed Michael. (I hate hate hate even writing words like kill and Michael in the same sentence.)
 
princessleia said:
I've also been wondering about Thome, but then what Firpo Carr wrote seems to contradict that he's the killer:

"...AEG and Dr. Tohme Tohme may not be silent culprits in Michael's death. ....
But, kill the King of Pop (really, the King Of All Music!)? Not likely, based on new information I've been made privy to, but am not at liberty to share at this time. "(This is from the first post on this thread: http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=81590)

I know some interpret this as saying that they were not *silent* culprits (ie saying between the lines that they are the real culprits) but then he outright says the exact opposite, at least that's how I understood it. So he could have been in the house, actually I also believe that Jermaine probably said the truth and Thome was in the house, but he was not the one who killed Michael. (I hate hate hate even writing words like kill and Michael in the same sentence.)
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Exactly, that is what I said. If we are right, then those investigating are not getting this right....or they are.

Ah, but you're right! But then what if he didn't mean us to read between the lines and that's just what it is. I wish Firpo could have been at slight more clear. I personally don't think Firpo meant for us to read between the line since he contradicts himself after.

But those here in this forum investigating don't sound like their talking garbage at all....I don't know

"The "obvious" isn't so "obvious" after all. There are so many twists and turns in this plot that it rigorously tests your sanity.....The closer you look at the puzzle, the more confused you become." :brow:
 
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"may not be silent culprits"= may be noisy culprits if you notice carefully = the obvious culprits.

My feeling of this article is that it's not merely addressed to the fanbase but rather to the wider public.The line "I've been made privy to some information which I am not allowed to share" is more like a warning to the ignorant who make judgements based on false and hateful media speculations.
 
Maria MJ said:
"may not be silent culprits"= may be noisy culprits if you notice carefully = the obvious culprits.

My feeling of this article is that it's not merely addressed to the fanbase but rather to the wider public.The line "I've been made privy to some information which I am not allowed to share" is more like a warning to the ignorant who make judgements based on false and hateful media speculations.
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yes, but like princessleia said, he also contradicts himself right after....

but kill the king of pop (really? the king of all music) not likely..
 
I think EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR, who made Michael dependant, while they got RICH, should FRY IN ****!!! They will pay, in one way or the other.

There is an OATH, that real doctors take !!!! It's one of the first on the list and it states:

DO NOT HARM!!

They are the same as a drug dealer that kills someone. A doctor should sit in the electric chair, giving pills or shots to a person that dies..for the simple fact that HE IS A DOCTOR AND IS EDUATED IN THIS MATTER extensively eduacted!!!!

This is my opinion and the TRUTH will come out..and I will bring my matches and gasoline...:tease: ok got alittle out of hand...:angel:

THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL MAKE ME CALM DOWN..MICHAEL WAS TAKEN FROM US!! NO JUSTICE NO PEACE !!

Thanks for listening..:tease:

I totally Michael you All
..:wub::agree:

MJ TinkerBell..:wub::agree:
 
MJ TinkerBell said:
I think EVERY SINGLE DOCTOR, who made Michael dependant, while they got RICH, should FRY IN ****!!! They will pay, in one way or the other.

There is an OATH, that real doctors take !!!! It's one of the first on the list and it states:

DO NOT HARM!!

They are the same as a drug dealer that kills someone. A doctor should sit in the electric chair, giving pills or shots to a person that dies..for the simple fact that HE IS A DOCTOR AND IS EDUATED IN THIS MATTER extensively eduacted!!!!

This is my opinion and the TRUTH will come out..and I will bring my matches and gasoline...:tease: ok got alittle out of hand...:angel:

THERE IS NOTHING THAT WILL MAKE ME CALM DOWN..MICHAEL WAS TAKEN FROM US!! NO JUSTICE NO PEACE !!

Thanks for listening..:tease:

I totally Michael you All
..:wub::agree:

MJ TinkerBell..:wub::agree:
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:agree:
:hug:
 
Where was Jermaine when he said the Tohme was at MJ's house ?
 
rainny said:
Where was Jermaine when he said the Tohme was at MJ's house ?
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Don't know "where" he was, but this was one of the first statements, if not THE first statement, issued by any of the Jacksons -- that Michael's "personal physician" was with Michael when he died, and that doctor was Tohme. (I doubt that he's a doctor, but Michael may have thought so?)

Jermaine is just not that smart? I think in this instance, he told the truth and then was told to STFU? He next appeared at Neverland, pushing hard for it to be made into a Graceland-type theme park. Michael would NOT have wanted to be buried there, but that is what Jerm was pushing for. The family quickly over-ruled him, but I think the reason he was pushing for that is because he was promised money from Tohme/Colony Capital, if he made it happen? I also heard that he was the one who introduced Tohme to Michael, and they clearly have a relationship of some sort, given their behavior at the hospital press-conference.
 
Hello Victoria,

Victoria83 said:
Don't know "where" he was, but this was one of the first statements, if not THE first statement, issued by any of the Jacksons -- that Michael's "personal physician" was with Michael when he died, and that doctor was Tohme. (I doubt that he's a doctor, but Michael may have thought so?)

Jermaine is just not that smart? I think in this instance, he told the truth and then was told to STFU? He next appeared at Neverland, pushing hard for it to be made into a Graceland-type theme park. Michael would NOT have wanted to be buried there, but that is what Jerm was pushing for. The family quickly over-ruled him, but I think the reason he was pushing for that is because he was promised money from Tohme/Colony Capital, if he made it happen? I also heard that he was the one who introduced Tohme to Michael, and they clearly have a relationship of some sort, given their behavior at the hospital press-conference.
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I'm not questioning whether he said it or not. I would just like to _see_ his

body language while doing so. Nah' mean? ;)

Yes. Jermaine pushing for Michael to be buried in Neverland while everyone

and their mothers were saying that he wouldn't have wanted to return there

seemed, if nothing else, very selfish to me.

I had not seen Tohme walking towards the helicopter!
 
Tohme must have volunteered to help while the family was

in shock.
 
Well, that's possible, but why was he even there in the first place? When a person is fired they generally don't keep hanging around. Hmm.
 
rainny said:
Tohme must have volunteered to help while the family was

in shock.
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You come across as if you think Tohme is innocent in any involvement regarding Michaels death.

Why would the family need help with MJ's body being transported to the coroner? There were plenty of capable professional people there to transport Michael's body. Some of them do that for a living. There was no need for Tohme, a family member or anyone who knew MJ to be right there at this point.

Besides, MJ had already fired him so why was he still around?
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
Have you seen this footage of Tohme walking MJs body to the helicopter? (0:40):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OjJf02CBtk&feature=rec-fresh+div-r-7-HM
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OK, that is down right creepy! I have wondered why they transported his body by helicopter in the first place?
If the family needed help, why wasn't it Frank, who was supposedly his manager, doing press conferences and "body watches" (creepy!) instead of a man whom Michael feared and was fired? Just doesn't add up?
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
There were plenty of capable professional people there to transport Michael's body. Some of them do that for a living. There was no need for Tohme, a family member or anyone who knew MJ to be right there at this point.
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We've obviously been exposed to different cultures.
 
rainny said:
We've obviously been exposed to different cultures.
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Different cultures or not, in the US where MJ was killed, an investigation is about too take place and Tohme should not have been allowed anywhere near the body as he is not family nor is he employed by anyone there. He was in a position to tamper with the body.
 
It shouldn't have taken two months to interview the person

who called 911 either, but it did.
 
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