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What can Michael do differently?

for me, its not so much of what Michael should do differently but what his fans should do differently..

and what this fan will do differently is to try to understand his position as an artist alittle bit better...
 
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he should release something really low key, without any promotion,and minimal money spent... go back to the basics. That would shock the world
 
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Why are we always talking about what Michael should do. This is about what you think Michael WILL do. We don't know what he will do but if we use our imaginations, we can use what we already know about him and use that to answer this thread, we will all be happier. I tried to think about what Mike would do a few months back and it literally scared me. I thought Woah! I sometimes hate to imagine how powerful his creative juices have become after stewing for a couple of years after that damn trial. :mad: If we got Dangerous after the 1993 accusation, I tremble at the thought of what we will get with aftermath of the trial and all that Mike endured with that whole mess. We are in for something we can't even begin to fathom what Mike is gonna come up with. The song No Friend Of Mine was an early example of what he was going to come out with before it got sabbotaged but now there is no telling of what he will do. He is being so secretive about the whole thing.:ph34r:

I think we are all gonna be like :eek: when Mike makes his re-entry onto the scene.

Ticie,
The JACKSONOLOGIST
 
I think "shock" like the three"Lord of the Rings" movies or like the 6 Star Wars movies or like the HArry potter movies.

I would like Mike to make a 3 cd/dvd album/music-movie in 3D!!! The future is near for 3D tv...
A movie and within the movie songs that create one big story.

Movies is what Mike likes, music he can make like no other.

So....I would say: saga off three FullHD Movie/Music albums so it will be remembered in the future like bigger than any other filmproject out there.


dreaming on.....
 
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Here's what I think....

  1. Some.....SOME.....of Michael Jackson's fans are way too critical and demanding of him.
  2. There is no other celebrity in history that has been more dehumanized by the media than Michael Jackson. And this is a fact that can be proven.
  3. Michael does not owe any of us anything.
  4. I don't care if he did say more is to come. He is a human being and he reserves the right to change if he wants to.
  5. Michael Jackon's legacy is already etched in stone. He is right when he says that he doesn't have anything else to prove. Any thing else he does from this time forward will simply be lagniappe.
 
Don't shoot me down for my honesty, but I think the question of this thread doesn't make sense, but surprisingly topics such as this gets many responses and I wonder "what is the sense of it all?" there is no sense, period. I'm confused.


Sorry for taking it off-track, sometimes that what you have to do in order to comprehend what someone is stating.
 
Again the usual replies of "We're too demanding".. etc etc. I don't know about you but I don't see ANYONE here demanding Michael to do any of what we're suggesting. It's not like i'm going to lose sleep at night if Michael doesn't perform my dream intimate one off concert, or doesn't release another album.

I don't see the problem with these threads at all, since theres only so many times you can read through "Michael is a gift from god" and "Michael is so hot" threads, which I feel are less relevant then these types of threads, that at least attempt at something creative.

For me, part of being in a fan community should be a place where I can not only discuss Michael Jackson, but share ideas and dreams/wants. If you visit fan boards of other artists, theres always plenty of threads like this. It doesn't mean they're demanding or any less of a fan than those who are more than happy to post one sentence replies in the "Michael Jackson is a sexy beast" thread for the only purpose of raising their post count.

Why be afraid to express what you'd like to see? I'm sure you, AllTheLovelyFlowers have thought from time to time that you'd LIKE to see Michael perform live in your own lounge room. If you posted that here do you think it would be reasonable for me to come in with my big authoritarian hat on and tell you I think you're being a bit too demanding?

Being a fan or a long time die hard fan doesn't mean you have to refrain from constructive criticism or even expressing your artistic wants. I look at those who create make believe song lists, album names and ideas as just as big of a fan as those who refuse to post in them because they believe it to be inappropriate.
 
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blah....go ahead. I always say, there is a way to do things. Some fans either don't know what CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is, or don't know how to express opinions as just that...OPINIONS.
 
Hoofmark said:
I think he should decide if he wants to start again as an artist, or stay a personality, which he has been for years and years now. He says 'he's done it all', and that he has nothing left to prove.

If that's the case, throw in the towel, and don't say 'there's more to come from Michael Jackson', or things like, 'shock the world' and 'you ain't seen nothing yet'. It promises something, and when time and time again nothing comes from it, it's one big dissappointment.

So basicly that's it I think. He has to decide what he wants. Not promising stuff and not delivering. And making his mind up about his future. If that is that he only wants to be a father, so be it. I have beautiful music and dvd's to remember what it was like.

If it is making a new cd... better make it a good one, and do a tour. Because if he wants to be remembered as an artist, he'd better take some action. Because now the majority of the public sees him as odd at best, a freak at worst. (don't shoot the messenger)
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*bang* lol....


life is easy for me..

cus i know MJ doesn't have to do anything.

and whatever he does i know it will be good.
 
WilliamJean said:
Again the usual replies of "We're too demanding".. etc etc. I don't know about you but I don't see ANYONE here demanding Michael to do any of what we're suggesting. It's not like i'm going to lose sleep at night if Michael doesn't perform my dream intimate one off concert, or doesn't release another album.

I don't see the problem with these threads at all, since theres only so many times you can read through "Michael is a gift from god" and "Michael is so hot" threads, which I feel are less relevant then these types of threads, that at least attempt at something creative.

For me, part of being in a fan community should be a place where I can not only discuss Michael Jackson, but share ideas and dreams/wants. If you visit fan boards of other artists, theres always plenty of threads like this. It doesn't mean they're demanding or any less of a fan than those who are more than happy to post one sentence replies in the "Michael Jackson is a sexy beast" thread for the only purpose of raising their post count.

Why be afraid to express what you'd like to see? I'm sure you, AllTheLovelyFlowers have thought from time to time that you'd LIKE to see Michael perform live in your own lounge room. If you posted that here do you think it would be reasonable for me to come in with my big authoritarian hat on and tell you I think you're being a bit too demanding?

Being a fan or a long time die hard fan doesn't mean you have to refrain from constructive criticism or even expressing your artistic wants. I look at those who create make believe song lists, album names and ideas as just as big of a fan as those who refuse to post in them because they believe it to be inappropriate.
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if all those other artists got the same amount of being put on blast as MJ got...they'd have fans that would be tired of multitudinous demands, too
 
WilliamJean said:
Again the usual replies of "We're too demanding".. etc etc. I don't know about you but I don't see ANYONE here demanding Michael to do any of what we're suggesting. It's not like i'm going to lose sleep at night if Michael doesn't perform my dream intimate one off concert, or doesn't release another album.

I don't see the problem with these threads at all, since theres only so many times you can read through "Michael is a gift from god" and "Michael is so hot" threads, which I feel are less relevant then these types of threads, that at least attempt at something creative.

For me, part of being in a fan community should be a place where I can not only discuss Michael Jackson, but share ideas and dreams/wants. If you visit fan boards of other artists, theres always plenty of threads like this. It doesn't mean they're demanding or any less of a fan than those who are more than happy to post one sentence replies in the "Michael Jackson is a sexy beast" thread for the only purpose of raising their post count.

Why be afraid to express what you'd like to see? I'm sure you, AllTheLovelyFlowers have thought from time to time that you'd LIKE to see Michael perform live in your own lounge room. If you posted that here do you think it would be reasonable for me to come in with my big authoritarian hat on and tell you I think you're being a bit too demanding?

Being a fan or a long time die hard fan doesn't mean you have to refrain from constructive criticism or even expressing your artistic wants. I look at those who create make believe song lists, album names and ideas as just as big of a fan as those who refuse to post in them because they believe it to be inappropriate.
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I kinda see your point, but the thing is we've become tired of having to defend Michael; even from SOME fans, so it's only natural for us to take a defensive aproach to this kind of threads. For a simple example, this board has been filled with negative threads over the past week, it's a fact for us that we will always have to step up to people for Michael and it becomes a very automatic thing.

I'm not againt constructive criticism, but when the same thing comes up over and over and over again in different forms it really irritates me personally.
 
To vncwilliam, there are no demands, just wishes and/or wants. I don't think anyone here thinks Michael will come here and read their opinions.

To everyone else, theres no need to be defensive since theres no negativity in this thread? If someone thinks it'd be reasonable for Michael to say whether or not he's going to retire from the spotlight, let them think that... it's just an opinion; and an entirely valid one at that, just as your opinion is valid.

Everyone here is different, just remember that not everyone here thinks that "Michael is a gift from god" threads and the like are the beez-kneez. When someone starts attacking Michael, THEN bring out the pitch-forks.
 
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Say what you want, but find it very strange that certain fans don't start criticizing Michael until he goes missing in action. So don't give me that mess about constructive cricisizm. As long as Michael is doing what yall want him to do, you are ok.

The truth is you guys are bored as hell and frustrated because Michael is not doing what you want him to do.
 
Say what you want, but I find it very strange that certain fans don't start criticizing Michael until he goes missing in action. So don't give me that mess about constructive cricisizm. As long as Michael is doing what yall want him to do, you are ok.

The truth is you guys are bored as hell and frustrated because Michael is not doing what you want him to do.

None of yall can make any types of decisions about what Michael should do or what he won't do. You don't know what goes on in his everyday life and you certainly don't know what is most important to him at the moment. You are not in his head.

I say let the guy be. He gets enough criticism from the stupid media. His fans should give him a break.
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
Say what you want, but I find it very strange that certain fans don't start criticizing Michael until he goes missing in action. So don't give me that mess about constructive cricisizm. As long as Michael is doing what yall want him to do, you are ok.

The truth is you guys are bored as hell and frustrated because Michael is not doing what you want him to do.

None of yall can make any types of decisions about what Michael should do or what he won't do. You don't know what goes on in his everyday life and you certainly don't know what is most important to him at the moment. You are not in his head.

I say let the guy be. He gets enough criticism from the stupid media. His fans should give him a break.
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So what if fans are bored? This isn't a thread about his legacy, it's a thread about the future. The question is "What can he do differently" and that's what we're suggesting: some things that may build a lot of positive activities concerning his career if/when he releases new material and/or steps back into the spotlight.

When people start suggesting some things he can do different, they're blasted by posts of "He doesn't have to do anything." We know this already. He can get a log cabin in the mountains and completely disappear never to make music again for all I care. All he HAS to do is s***, eat and breathe. I'll still be a fan and will respect him and spin Off The Wall and Dangerous routinely.

Nobody is criticizing him for the sake of criticizing him. People say "He's only a person, he's allowed to make mistakes". Then why can't his fans discuss some things they'd like to see from him?

Why can't people see things in shades of gray? Why does it always have to be so black and white (no pun intended) when dealing with Michael Jackson?

Also, fans DO criticize him sometimes when he's NOT missing in action. What about the WMA's? What about Thriller 25? There was a mixed bag of reactions on both counts.
 
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People aren't just making suggestions. They are criticizing him because they feel he is not doing enough to promote his career. And that is not fair because none of us knows how far Michael wants to go with his career. One thing we do know, from his own mouth, he has nothing else to prove. So why critic him like he is some new and upcoming artist that needs to get more exposure? There is a big difference.

And we will just have to disagree agreeably on this one.
 
They are criticizing him because they feel he is not doing enough to promote his career.
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that was not the point of my thread. The discussion is meant to focus on what Michael can do differently this time around to change things up a bit. Michael has done it all, but I don't think any of us want to see Michael reemerge doing the same dances, singing the same songs etc..we want something different of course, so what can he do differently? Remember how back in 2001-2002 all we got from Mike was rehashed, lip synced Dangerous performances? Mike definitely can not do that again this time around. So what else can he do to bring his performances and singing career back to life?
 
Superstition said:
So what if fans are bored? This isn't a thread about his legacy, it's a thread about the future. The question is "What can he do differently" and that's what we're suggesting: some things that may build a lot of positive activities concerning his career if/when he releases new material and/or steps back into the spotlight.

When people start suggesting some things he can do different, they're blasted by posts of "He doesn't have to do anything." We know this already. He can get a log cabin in the mountains and completely disappear never to make music again for all I care. All he HAS to do is s***, eat and breathe. I'll still be a fan and will respect him and spin Off The Wall and Dangerous routinely.

Nobody is criticizing him for the sake of criticizing him. People say "He's only a person, he's allowed to make mistakes". Then why can't his fans discuss some things they'd like to see from him?

Why can't people see things in shades of gray? Why does it always have to be so black and white (no pun intended) when dealing with Michael Jackson?

Also, fans DO criticize him sometimes when he's NOT missing in action. What about the WMA's? What about Thriller 25? There was a mixed bag of reactions on both counts.
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I think what irks some of us fans more than anything is not that others wish that he would do some things differently.
What irks me is the suggestion that he will not be counted as having any value or worth at all because he doesn't come back and do it all again. What some of you are saying is that the 40 years of sacrifice that MJ has given and aLL the work that he has done and the achievemenbts he has made, more than any other popstar in history, all this is invalid, because the corrupt media has sort to sully his name, he he has to come back and clear his name by doing it all over again, otherwise you amnd the corrupt media wont consider all the work that he has done. If that is not an insult to Michael Jackson and an attempt to delete his legacy, then I don't know what is. All of this in the face of all the influence and refernces to his influences in the music business.
What you want is for Michael to come back and do it all again or else his passed work will not count.
That is unfair and it is unjust and it is naive. Nobody in show-business were ever asked to come back and do it all again in order to be validated.
Elvis was doped up on drugs and died on the loo and his work has been validated. Why is Michael Jackson being constantly required to do it again or else... That is what irks me more than anything else. Nobody has ever done it like Michael Jackson. Why must he do it again for his work to be valued?
 
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jaydom7 said:
that was not the point of my thread. The discussion is meant to focus on what Michael can do differently this time around to change things up a bit. Michael has done it all, but I don't think any of us want to see Michael reemerge doing the same dances, singing the same songs etc..we want something different of course, so what can he do differently? Remember how back in 2001-2002 all we got from Mike was rehashed, lip synced Dangerous performances? Mike definitely can not do that again this time around. So what else can he do to bring his performances and singing career back to life?
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I totally got that and I must say,it is a great idea for o topic. ^_^ Too bad people started fighting over nothing...It was supposed to be a fun topic.:unsure:

Did you like my idea of the Dangerous performance? :p:D
 
I think that the youth of today would love Michael Jackson to just go onstage and say 'chamone motherf****r' and grap his crotch because young guys either think he is like the tabloid representation or like the Bo' Selecta MJ. I think if he embraced lighthearted charicatures of himself he would have more younger fans.

If you guys over in the States etc don't know what the Bo MJ is like here is a short clip. I wouldn't say it was insulting him, it's a fun charicature!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKhOlbMNvcs
 
To answer the question - I really do not know how MJ can do things differently other than actually make a good CD. Something many artists on the charts cannot do. As for shocking people, maybe that is why it is silent - so that we do not know what is truly going on with the CD. Maybe MJ is not only going to shock people musically, but personally as well. You never know, Mike might surprise some people with things. I mean, how can MJ shock people musically if he did it all?

I dont get it...way dose mj fans like to make MJ as a victim?....he is not!...there are many other celebs taht get more **** from the press than mj dose
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What I do not get is why when some fans want to hate on other fans over opinions, cannot spell to save their lives? You need to spell before you can say your piece. Now, in some ways, I do not see MJ as a victim, so please do not categorized all fans beliving that MJ is a victim. However, I do see MJ as a victim of the media hatred and NO ONE has got it THAT bad in the media but him. Name me one famous person who has and I will tell you something different.

May be thriller and mj did have a big impact on the music industry. but the normal people look at beatles, elvis as way bigger than mj.
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Also, NORMAL people do think that MJ made a big impact with Thriller in the music insdustry. See, I find it funny, that you seemed to erase MJ's legacy and put the crappy Beatles and some crappy Elvis on here to make your "point". Who is influence by any of those acts who is on the charts right now? Not one. NOT ONE. Also, what are you trying to say about MJ fans and normal people? That MJ fans are not normal? What is not normal is people hating on a man that made his name in the music insdustry and still has his fans arfter everything. I know that this thread was meant to be positive but yet again, some people like to trash MJ and his true fans in the process and try to erase MJ's impact simply because they believe the media hype over the man. Whatever.
 
Datsymay said:
I think what irks some of us fans more than anything is not that others wish that he would do some things differently.
What irks me is the suggestion that he will not be counted as having any value or worth at all because he doesn't come back and do it all again. What some of you are saying is that the 40 years of sacrifice that MJ has given and aLL the work that he has done and the achievemenbts he has made, more than any other popstar in history, all this is invalid, because the corrupt media has sort to sully his name, he he has to come back and clear his name by doing it all over again, otherwise you amnd the corrupt media wont consider all the work that he has done. If that is not an insult to Michael Jackson and an attempt to delete his legacy, then I don't know what is. All of this in the face of all the influence and refernces to his influences in the music business.
What you want is for Michael to come back and do it all again or else his passed work will not count.
That is unfair and it is unjust and it is naive. Nobody in show-business were ever asked to come back and do it all again in order to be validated.
Elvis was doped up on drugs and died on the loo and his work has been validated. Why is Michael Jackson being constantly required to do it again or else... That is what irks me more than anything else. Nobody has ever done it like Michael Jackson. Why must he do it again for his work to be valued?
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Forgive me, but how is someone saying they wish he would sing live, do a few award shows or a concert saying that he needs to recreate everything he did in the past? Nobody is saying that at all. I don't get how any post in here thus far has said anything remotely close to what you have just mentioned. Updating the fans, having some statements that Raymone Baine puts forth actually come to fruition or whatnot is NOT saying he needs to do Thriller all over again or work another 40 years.

Of course he's already carved his legacy. All people are suggesting is ways he can add to his legacy if he chooses to do so.
 
I think he should change his straight hair to curls again.


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although his straight hair look is growing on me.. :unsure: :wub:
 
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do a all Acapella album with just strings and woodwinds. do spoken word songs. take it back to the Motherland with congas drums and chants and singing.
 
I didnt read the whole thread yet but I had an idea I wanted to write out.

"You ain't seen nothin yet" is a direct quote from MJ am I right?
MAYBE...just maybe...he has a new unique sound that will actually blow the socks off us all. This is his profession and his talent and his genius. He knows music inside and out. He lives and breathes music. It seeps through his pores. Maybe he has been wanting to share a unique creation of music and unique sound with the world for many years but the world wasn't ready for it. Maybe now it is ready.

Maybe he is ready to share it. All I know is, I wanna hear it!!!

Could be as most of the others have said as well and is just really really good, timeless music that ourselves, our grandchildren, and our great grandchildren will enjoy. Classics will remain classics forever.
 
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do a all Acapella album with just strings and woodwinds. do spoken word songs. take it back to the Motherland with congas drums and chants and singing.
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I appreciate you're saying new stuff but.... I hope he doesn't do this, lol.

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Forgive me, but how is someone saying they wish he would sing live, do a few award shows or a concert saying that he needs to recreate everything he did in the past? Nobody is saying that at all. I don't get how any post in here thus far has said anything remotely close to what you have just mentioned. Updating the fans, having some statements that Raymone Baine puts forth actually come to fruition or whatnot is NOT saying he needs to do Thriller all over again or work another 40 years.

Of course he's already carved his legacy. All people are suggesting is ways he can add to his legacy if he chooses to do so.
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I couldn't agree with you more. I should've brought this up last time I made a rebuttal to those hating on this thread. In no way would I ever ask or want Michael to re-do his past at all regarding his music or even his personal life. What he's done for his career and for himself thus far has made him the man he is today and one of my favourite idol. This whole thread is solely for those who would like to see their idol, who has already carved his name so deep into history it'll last longer than the pyramids, do some things they'd only dreamt of.
 
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh... say "fu*k you" with a lot of aggression in public, shocking the world! lol. I don't know. He just needs to be himself and he'll have success. He's the man and I don't want to make any demands on him. Whatever he wants to do, that's what he should do. Forget what the fans say or want, it's his art.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Uhhhhhhhhhhh... say "fu*k you" with a lot of aggression in public, shocking the world! lol. I don't know. He just needs to be himself and he'll have success. He's the man and I don't want to make any demands on him. Whatever he wants to do, that's what he should do. Forget what the fans say or want, it's his art.
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REP POINTS FOR YOUU!!!!!! :lol:
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Uhhhhhhhhhhh... say "fu*k you" with a lot of aggression in public, shocking the world! lol. I don't know. He just needs to be himself and he'll have success. He's the man and I don't want to make any demands on him. Whatever he wants to do, that's what he should do. Forget what the fans say or want, it's his art.
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I completely agree with you on the first part, but the second part is a bit... indulgent I guess. He should do what feels good to him, but if he plans on releasing the album to the fans, surely you would keep them in mind when making the music? I don't know... to say "forget what the fans say or want" when they plan on buying it is a bit out there to me. It'd be like buying someone a gift, but you buy them something you want. Maybe they'll like the gift and maybe they won't, but wouldn't it make more sense to get something that they know came from you, but FOR them? I mean, if you have a spouse, you don't just get them whatever. You give them something with a personal touch that you know THEY will like.

I see entertainment the same way. At the end of the day, it has to walk a balance between being personal and from the heart, but also accessible to the people interested in it, the people who allow you to have the money to work on the material in the first place.

But again, I definitely agree with that first part, it would be great.
 
MJ GAINED his fans by being himself and doing what's in his heart. That is why we're all here on this message board.

So there's no reason to change that. MJ should do what he wants.
 
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