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What can Michael do differently?

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I completely agree with you on the first part, but the second part is a bit... indulgent I guess. He should do what feels good to him, but if he plans on releasing the album to the fans, surely you would keep them in mind when making the music? I don't know... to say "forget what the fans say or want" when they plan on buying it is a bit out there to me. It'd be like buying someone a gift, but you buy them something you want. Maybe they'll like the gift and maybe they won't, but wouldn't it make more sense to get something that they know came from you, but FOR them? I mean, if you have a spouse, you don't just get them whatever. You give them something with a personal touch that you know THEY will like.

I see entertainment the same way. At the end of the day, it has to walk a balance between being personal and from the heart, but also accessible to the people interested in it, the people who allow you to have the money to work on the material in the first place.

But again, I definitely agree with that first part, it would be great.
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I see it as one in the same, really. Michael has fans because they like what he had and has to offer. Nobody forced them to buy anything. They did because they liked it. I'm not really interested in Michael having hits. I want him to, for himself, but if he doesn't, it doesn't matter to me. Michael doing what he want's is what made him the star that he is. Of course he's going to try and put a modern feel on his songs, but I hope he writes the kind of music which appeals to him. An artist creates what is in their hearts and as Michael said, they try to reach the truth of things and bring that out. And if that truth reaches others as well, that's wonderful. But the goal isn't to create something to appeal to everyone else, it's to make palpable something which is inside you and if that touches others as well, then that's just a bonus. Michael's art has been able to reach others and touch them. Of course every artist wants it to reach people, but it never will if it isn't the truth in some way, if it isn't what's inside the artist and if it isn't wholly theirs, and again, it's his art, it's who he is, and if others are interested in that, then great. If not, they don't have to buy it. But most of Michael's fans are fans of what he does, and whatever he will continue to do. What he offers is what they want. It's Michael's art and he lets it out in to the world for others to either take or leave.
 
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right. I'm not a fan of Michael's FANS. I'm a fan of MICHAEL JACKSON :lol: Which means i love what HE comes up with.
 
be himself!now he knows who he is and he should be proud of him!
 
J5master said:
MJ GAINED his fans by being himself and doing what's in his heart. That is why we're all here on this message board.

So there's no reason to change that. MJ should do what he wants.
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I think you missed my point.

Let me put it like this:

I think Michael Jackson is a better artist than Prince. Why? Both are geniuses, but Prince has put out some work so quirky and awkward that I can't help but think he had the exact philosophy others are mentioning. He played in the studio, liked what he heard and put it out. The result are terrible albums with terrible sales. Whereas Michael Jackson's most heavily-panned album, "Invincible" was actually awesome and sold like hotcakes despite what the media portrays.

Also, studio time, engineers, producers, etc. are not free. The fans buy his art, and the fans buying that art supports him to produce more. I believe that if you could ask MJ himself, he wouldn't tell you "I push whatever anyone thinks, wants or desires from my art out of my mind and just make it. Here's my album, buy it if you want or don't, it doesn't matter to me." If he did, I don't think he'd be the highest-selling artist in the world. I think his desire to create something for the world is what makes him a great artist. It's a give-take thing. The fans support the artist, and the artist delivers to the fans.
 
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Well that's why Michael's working with people like Will.I.Am and the like. Of course he never fully pushes what he thinks the public will like out of his mind. But he also has always written songs which are about what he knows and his life, whether litterally or metophorically, and fans bought it because it was great music, regardless. He doesn't ask his fans what they want. He creates the truth and of course that connects with people. He gets modern producers to give his music an up to date feel, but ultimately, the music is his own and has his unique signiture. Michael shares his talent with us. Us paying for it is sort of just a after affect of the world we live in. You have to make money for what you do, because money runs our society. If you want to live, you need money. But it's like Michael offers the product and then, if we like it, we pay for it. But Michael's been in the industry for a long enough time that he shouldn't have to answer to what anyone else wants, he should just stay true to himself and do what he wants. That's why "History" is such a brillaint album. It has songs on it which aren't radio friendly, but in terms of composition and content, they are his strongest songs, because he wrote about what he was feeling and what was in his heart. He didn't care whether anyone else wanted to hear it. It was something important for him, and those who enjoyed it, which was a lot of people, 15 million, then that was icing on the cake. Michael doing emotional music about himself and his life experiences isn't going to mean he won't sell.
 
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The title of this topic is: what can Michael do differently. That's the subject I responded to.

I'm not talking about Michaels legacy. I've been able to see him in concert 14 times, I have cd's and dvd's with music and performances I love.

The topic is about doing things different. So that means doing them different from the current situation. And then it's a valid point to make, saying that he has to decide what he wants to do on a professional level/ as an artist.

I don't 'expect' anything. I don't demand anything. I respond to a topic about 'how to do things differently'. And saying he shouldn't promise things and then come up with nothing... is that really so weird and not done? His last album was released in 2001. That's 7 years ago!

And again: that's fine by me. I have the memories. But asking how to do things differently, I think it's a valid point to say he shouldn't keep making all those promises. It's come to the point that anything Michael says, has to be taken with a big grain of salt. I really think he could do things different in that sense.

Is anyone bleeding right now? Don't think so... it's just an opinion.
 
Michael didn't give us any date for his new album.he just said he is not over.the rest are not his words,so don't blame him for that promises that other made in his name.fair?
 
Well I always say you can't realistically count the time between his last album and now. It's not like those 7 years, more like 6, have been normal in any sense. Really, from 2001 until 2005, Michael's life was one disaster after another, and a crisis that almost took his life. So the way I see it, it's only been 2 and a half years, and that's being generous to the fans, because it's not taking in to account his recovery time from that "trial". Fans need to be fair to Michael while addressing what it is they want him to do different too.
 
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Some of those claims have been made by his publicist, so no, not fair. With every press release, every announcement made, his incredibility in that sense has become bigger. There have been cancelled concerts, performances. Signed contracts that have been broken. Professionaly it's all a big mess. And why not just say it. Better to acknowledge, so maybe something can be done.

And further, the topic is 'what CAN Michael do'. Not 'What should he do'. And of course life has been hell for him. I've been there to support him in a big way, just like many other fans. But that's not the discussion here. The discussion is what he could do a bit better perhaps?
 
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So thats what it comes to. Pile up MJ's "inconsistencies" over several years and hold it against him and his credibility? Of course MJ makes makes mistakes and of course crap happens that has no allowed projects to come through, but why must we stack them up and hold that against him, and then claim that mj should do this and that? Is that fair? Not really. I wouldn't do that to any other human being so i'm not gonna do it for him. It's a known fact that MJ makes mistakes and has issues in his life and may not have made the best decisions career wise, but i'm not gonna rub it in. Its NOT fair to brand "SEVEN YEARS!" on him, no matter what his publicist says because clearly between what with down with Sony and the trial, MJ has had his hands tied for a majority of that period.

MJ can take care of his own business just fine. He still has a career and he still has a business so I say MJ can do what he pleases lol
 
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Again, I'm not saying anywhere that Michael SHOULD do anything. Reading posts and judging them for what they are is certainly not an easy task.

The topic is about what Michael CAN do different. All I do is voicing my opinion on facts that are well known. And I'm only suggesting how they could be handled differently. That's why I'm saying that I think it's better careerwise that he should make up his mind about what he wants to do instead of promising things and not delivering.

That doesn't mean that I think he HAS to do a thing. If he wants to be just a dad, it's fine by me. Maybe, it is for the better. It's all up to him. But my suggestion is that it would be a good idea not to make people think something is coming time and time again, when it's clear nothing is happening.

"I wouldn't do that to any other human being".... well.... what exactly have I done, else than voicing an opinion??? Really, where is the justification for using words like that? It's beyond ridiculous.

Why is it that with every bit of criticism, the one who voices it, is being attacked the same way tabloids are? I've written very cleary, more than once, that I don't think Michael SHOULD do a thing, explaining that I have memories, that I've been lucky enough to have seen him perform. Still... the criticism is picked out of my posts and enlarged with a vicious twist. That's so not okay.

I want this to be a place where you can discuss without getting the tabloid treatment for having a voice, and stating my opinion. For just suggesting things in a valid topic. 'I wouldn't do that to any other human being'..... come on!
 
the whole 'another human being' thing, i was speaking specifically about

With every press release, every announcement made, his incredibility in that sense has become bigger. There have been cancelled concerts, performances. Signed contracts that have been broken.
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And this statement

Of course MJ makes makes mistakes and of course crap happens that has no allowed projects to come through, but why must we stack them up and hold that against him, and then claim that mj should do this and that? Is that fair? Not really. I wouldn't do that to any other human being so i'm not gonna do it for him.
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was used to explain why that wasn't fair.

And you've stated an opinion, everyone has stated an opinion here. And I'm disagreeing with some of those opinions and agreeing with others.
 
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can, should.. it's all the same. just a play with semantics and frankly i don't see a problem with anyone giving their opinions on what they'd like to see their favourite artist do.
 
There's a difference between having a different opinion, and telling someone you don't agree with "I wouldn't do that to any other human being". What crime did I commit exactly?

But I'm not just talking about you. It's a general trend (well... it's already going on for years) to have a tone of voice that has the intention of silencing those who have even the slightest of criticism of their idol.
 
I'm talking about staking up 'charges'/mistakes against the guy, that's what i mean. And that's something i see as a trend amongst fans as well.

And im not saying that YOU would do that to others or whatever, I'm saying that I personally like to treat MJ like anyone else, and i think a lot of times we put MJ on this impossible pedestal. Thats why i said 'I wouldnt do that to any other human being'...i'm putting mj BACK DOWN off of that impossible pedestal. That was my point in all that.
 
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arXter said:
can, should.. it's all the same. just a play with semantics and frankly i don't see a problem with anyone giving their opinions on what they'd like to see their favourite artist do.
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I agree with this. Also I don't think that other peoples suggestions need to be challenged. Everybody is putting forward their own ideas. Nobody is right or wrong. there is no need for challenges here, I don't think.
 
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I agree with putting him on an impossible pedestal. That's why the response to anything that doesn't reach that pedestal is being slammed down immediately.

And I'm not charging anyone with anything. And maybe it comes across as 'rubbing in' his bad business decisions. But isn't acknowleding them better? Is making them debatable not a way to change things? Not cleaning a wound only makes it worse. That doesn't mean you should rub them in with salt, but I don't thik I was doing that.
 
oh laawwd this isn't a challenge. I was simply supporting wannabe in her sentiments, which also countered Hoof's opinion. Geeeezzzz.

And hoof, there are sometimes that something shouldn't be attributed as totally MJ's fault though. Like taking 7 years to make something happen when SO MUCH has happened during that period.

And its easy for us, outsiders looking in, to determine what his mistakes were, but since we really don't know much about whats going on behind the curtains, i dont see how constantly (and thats what i mean, constantly) acknowledging his problems will "fix" the problem.
 
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J5master said:
oh laawwd this isn't a challenge. I was simply supporting wannabe in her sentiments, which also countered Hoof's opinion. Geeeezzzz.
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But is it necessary to counter his arguments though, He is putting forward his suggstions as we were all invited to do. I disagreed with much of what he says but I think he has a right to say them without him feeling badgered by others who don't share the same view.:)
 
Like i said dats, me supplementing wannabe's argument automatically countered Hoof's argument. We all have opinions here, so can't i say what my opinion is even if it happens to be disagreeable with someone else's....without being accused of badgering cuz i'm not? LOL
 
J5master said:
Like i said dats, me supplementing wannabe's argument automatically countered Hoof's argument. We all have opinions here, so can't i say what my opinion is even if it happens to be disagreeable with someone else's....without being accused of badgering cuz i'm not? LOL
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Well, when someone feels that they are being slammed for their opnions then it begins to sound like badgering, but don't mind me, carryon.:)
 
Okay well Hoof I'm not badgering u.

U are free to have ur opinion as I am free to disagree with it lol
 
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