Who do you blame for MJ's death?

[smoothcriminal12]

What an awful thing to say. This topic I posted is showing some people are on the wrong side.

btw blaming Michael was not one of the poll options and I am sure I am safe in saying this point view goes against this everything this forum/community stands for.

Not really. I do think that Murray is also to blame, but I believe that Michael is as well.

 

[Hess]

why I respect your comments I did not have I blame Michael option because it goes against the ethos of this fan community. If we start blaming MJ we are on a slippery slope. Do not be fooled by Murray or his lies.

I do agree as I clearly stated in my post.

I blame Dr. Conrad Murray - and no one else!

BUT - as i can also see by some posts even some fans here seem to blame MJ - so it could be intresting to see how many fans actually blame MJ for his death. - Obviously it would not be many - BUT I think it's more than we might think.

 

[suzynyc]

I blame Murray. Michael did not have to die!

 

[Alma]

It's true. Both are responsible for Michael's death. Maybe Michael didn't do nearly as much as Murray did, but he still contributed to his own death, sadly.

Oh, I see your ambition to blame Jackson for his own death won't go away. Just cuz you say it so, cuz you have maybe been in Jackson's head and bedroom. You weren't with him to even begin to understand the pressures he underwent, so you think it's okay for you to just hit and run? Do you have any idea how insomnia works? If not, inform yourself thoroughly, or if you can't empathize with a person at least have the decency to stop repeating your convictions. I see you don't do that, as you think yourself as some cold shower addressing the sheeples who are up in Jackson's 'arse'. And maybe just get your last word.You previously said Murray's blame was a slight one, but now you're recanting it, right?

Like I said before, keep continuing to repeat your convictions about Jackson's death without a care, although he is gone now and can't defend himself. Don't expect too many others to be Murray friendly on here.

 

[smoothcriminal12]

Oh, I see your ambition to blame Jackson for his own death won't go away. Just cuz you say it so, cuz you have maybe been in Jackson's head and bedroom. You weren't with him to even begin to understand the pressures he underwent, so you think it's okay for you to just hit and run? Do you have any idea how insomnia works? If not, inform yourself thoroughly, or if you can't empathize with a person at least have the decency to stop repeating your convictions. I see you don't do that, as you think yourself as some cold shower addressing the sheeples who are up in Jackson's 'arse'. And maybe just get your last word.You previously said Murray's blame was a slight one, but now you're recanting it, right?

Like I said before, keep continuing to repeat your convictions about Jackson's death without a care, although he is gone now and can't defend himself. Don't expect too many others to be Murray friendly on here.

I am not Murray friendly.

And with that, I will now put you on ignore.

 

[Alma]

I am not Murray friendly.

And with that, I will now put you on ignore.

Yeah, you are.


Happy ignorance, phew. I mean ignoring. The root of ignorance, that's always the convenient, cowardly thing to do.

 

[xthunderx2]

I am not Murray friendly.

And with that, I will now put you on ignore.

well then you better put me on ignore also because I think that you are despicable...blaming Michael for his own death. Maybe you shouldgo on a Conrad Murray fan board and tell them that you blame Michael for his own death..I am sure they will welcome you there.

 

[bluetopez]

Gee...let me think?

OBVIOUSLY the DR.!

With over 20yrs experience who admittedly left his patient alone, then screws up CPR! Who says he was "weaning" MJ off Propofol because he thought he was getting addicted to it! Yet, was given him benzo's that were the real addicting drugs!

 

[144000]

Please to Michael's fans do not frown upon me for this...

...I love Michael to the bottom of my heart, but in a way I also think it was his fault due to him wanting to go to sleep and demanding the drugs when he was warned about the precautions that the drugs had.

Now I'm not sure if that is true ^.

But I think it was 50% Michael's and 50% Conrad's.

i am sorry but you open yourself up with responses like this. i frown upon the phrase 'i love (insert person here) but'. there is no but, if you love someone.

secondly, absolutely nobody on this board has enough facts to make an assessment, though people are entitled to their own opinions. but think about this. this is a trend. what kind of a society is it that forms opinions of this magnitude, without complete evidence?

and how should there not be protection for those on the receiving end of an 'i love you but', from the deliverer of that phrase?

how much does a person want something enough, that if they lose it, they blame that something for its demise?

i guess i have demonstrated that nothing is more disturbing to me, than these trends.

i gotta say...how can a fan of MJ say such harsh things, in the present circumstances, without unshakeable evidence?

and if i tell you 'i love you but', then you should stray as far away from me, as you can. i feel safer if you say, 'you hate me'.

this is addressed to anybody that blames Michael for his death. i know where you stand...now you know where i stand. i'm willing to get booted, for saying that.

 

[smoothcriminal12]

i am sorry but you open yourself up with responses like this. I frown upon the phrase 'i love (insert person here) but'. There is no but, if you love someone.

Secondly, absolutely nobody on this board has enough facts to make an assessment, though people are entitled to their own opinions. But think about this. This is a trend. What kind of a society is it that forms opinions of this magnitude, without complete evidence?

And how should there not be protection for those on the receiving end of an 'i love you but', from the deliverer of that phrase?

How much does a person want something enough, that if they lose it, they blame that something for its demise?

I guess i have demonstrated that nothing is more disturbing to me, than these trends.

I gotta say...how can a fan of mj say such harsh things, in the present circumstances, without unshakeable evidence?

And if i tell you 'i love you but', then you should stray as far away from me, as you can. I feel safer if you say, 'you hate me'.

This is addressed to anybody that blames michael for his death. I know where you stand...now you know where i stand. I'm willing to get booted, for saying that.

lol!!!!!

 

[suzynyc]

Time and time again Murray made one blunder after another. He did all he could to make sure Michael did not survive whatever it was that he (Murray) initially did to him. Michael's death was very preventable.

 

[man.in.the.mirror]

i blame conrad murray,but i also blame everyone around him,including the arvizo's because in my opinion that trial took it's toll on him,

 

[The Healer]

I also think the trial was a start. Michael kept his head up because he was innocent and that was proved. But can you even begin to imagine how he felt ?! He was helping children all of his life. He gave them his heart and soul. And he ended up charged to be a
" child molestor ".....
That is the worst thing that could happen to him. And THEY knew it. It was not a coincidence, THEY knew exactly what was Michael"s soft spot.
He survived...he kept on. But I believe he could never really forget it...of course not.
No matter how confident he looked....I think Michael was under big pressure about upcoming shows. He knew THEY are just waiting to make the smallest mistake so that THEY can put him down once again.
My heart runs to him because I know how he felt.
I will say it again...I am used to hear lies about Michael from tabloids and haters.
Words like " reckless , stupid , spoiled , demanding , a bad father , lazy , addict , bratt , " are shocking, coming from " fans ".
I wish Michael just left everything behind him...found himself a peaceful place to live with his kids. Some " fans " are just not worthy of him.

 

[Alma]

Although I may sound unfair or subjective by saying that, but I bet some of these who blame Jackson for his death are those same ones who desperately wanted one or more seats at the London shows, or those same ones who didn't think Jackson was going to survive through all 50 shows, that thought he was gonna cancel them and end up in poor health. Or those who threatened to quit being his fan after he had to postpone (didn't even cancel, just postpone) 2 concerts, and already created petitions and some signed them to restore the concert dates as they were. Yet they (again, not generalizing, just focusing on those that really believe that, which they exist) still think they can have the audacity to blame Jackson for his own death without at least looking at themselves first. And they're arrogant like smoothcriminal12 is, even specifying they're 'lol!!'ing at those who don't agree with them. Go figure.

 

[smoothcriminal12]

Although I may sound unfair or subjective by saying that, but I bet some of these who blame Jackson for his death are those same ones who desperately wanted one or more seats at the London shows, or those same ones who didn't think Jackson was going to survive through all 50 shows, that thought he was gonna cancel them and end up in poor health. Or those who threatened to quit being his fan after he had to postpone (didn't even cancel, just postpone) 2 concerts, and already created petitions and some signed them to restore the concert dates as they were. Yet they (again, not generalizing, just focusing on those that really believe that, which they exist) still think they can have the audacity to blame Jackson for his own death without at least looking at themselves first. And they're arrogant like smoothcriminal12 is, even specifying they're 'lol!!'ing at those who don't agree with them. Go figure.

You really need to get a hobby. Seriously. Why is my opinion such a huge thing for you? Why do you care? If I think that Michael is responsible then so what? Why should it effect you? Just go on with your life and leave mine alone. Your opinion is not going to change mine, so why do you go through all this trouble just to state baseless assumptions that aren't even true?

By the way, I did not "lol" because he didn't agree with me, I lol'd because of the melodrama that was dripping from his post.

well then you better put me on ignore also because I think that you are despicable...blaming Michael for his own death. Maybe you shouldgo on a Conrad Murray fan board and tell them that you blame Michael for his own death..I am sure they will welcome you there.

Get a life.

 

[The Healer]

Smooth, isn"t there somewhere a board where you can writte these kind of things and get a rep points for that ...?
You can clearly see that fans are different here , don"t you ? We get the point..." we, stupid fans who whorship Michael like he is a saint and could not do anything wrong....bla-bla-bla."
I would be a millionare if I get a cent every time I heard that.
I would be ashamed if I would consider Michael responsable for his own tragedy.

 

[smoothcriminal12]

Smooth, isn"t there somewhere a board where you can writte these kind of things and get a rep points for that ...?
You can clearly see that fans are different here , don"t you ? We get the point..." we, stupid fans who whorship Michael like he is a saint and could not do anything wrong....bla-bla-bla."
I would be a millionare if I get a cent every time I heard that.
I would be ashamed if I would consider Michael responsable for his own tragedy.

Well it is true. Everyone has their flaws, Michael included. I'm as much of a fan as you all are, but I just see things differently.

I would be ashamed if I would consider Michael responsable for his own tragedy.

Why? What's there to be ashamed of?

 

[jrsfan]

Smooth, isn"t there somewhere a board where you can writte these kind of things and get a rep points for that ...?
You can clearly see that fans are different here , don"t you ? We get the point..." we, stupid fans who whorship Michael like he is a saint and could not do anything wrong....bla-bla-bla."
I would be a millionare if I get a cent every time I heard that.
I would be ashamed if I would consider Michael responsable for his own tragedy.

MJ was not responsible in any way for anyone else's criminal behavior, not in 93, not in 2003 or now.

 

[The Healer]

^^^^
Of course not.
I really, really can not and will not exept that kind of thinking.
Is a patient guilty if he goes to surgery and doc makes a mistake that costs loosing a life ???!!!!
Is a patient guilty if doc gives him the wrong medicine ????
Is Michael guilty that Murray left him ????
I will go insane .

 

[Alma]

You really need to get a hobby. Seriously.

If I need a hobby - even though I got plenty of 'em, you need one too. For, guess what, you're replying on the very same forum the dumb sheeple stuck in Jackson's arse are. Bwuhaha.

Why is my opinion such a huge thing for you? Why do you care? If I think that Michael is responsible then so what? Why should it effect you?

I don't. I only start to care when opinions/convictions like yours are repeatedly expressed on his own forum, which is disrespectful to the one that can no longer defend themselves since they're gone. And...

Just go on with your life and leave mine alone.

If you wanna get on with your life, who's keeping you, and why are you coming back here if you don't feel left alone? Am I messing up your life and I'm not aware of that, but, as you say, "Why should it affect you?"

So why do you go through all this trouble just to state baseless assumptions that aren't even true?

Why do you go through all this trouble to try and convince me / us my and others' assumptions are baseless and not even true? That's not gonna change our mind, remember, we can't see since we're up in MJ's arse.

By the way, I did not "lol" because he didn't agree with me, I lol'd because of the melodrama that was dripping from his post.

Same cake, different flavor. And it's yucky, plus served by a puffed-up waiter.

Get a life.

Get yours first, set an example.

Btw, haven't you put me on ignore already as promised the other day? Got one life to live, learn from others' mistakes, from those that don't have one. Am asking, since I'm under the impression that we're keeping you from your hobbies.

 

[Alma]

MJ was not responsible in any way for anyone else's criminal behavior, not in 93, not in 2003 or now.

I thought this was a thread that asked "Who do you blame for MJ's death", not about insidiously putting the blame on MJ for his child molestation accusations, for his gullibility, if you're hinting to that. Or what are you saying exactly?

 

[smoothcriminal12]

If I need a hobby - even though I got plenty of 'em, you need one too. For, guess what, you're replying on the very same forum the dumb sheeple stuck in Jackson's arse are. Bwuhaha.

K.

I don't. I only start to care when opinions/convictions like yours are repeatedly expressed on his own forum, which is disrespectful to the one that can no longer defend themselves since they're gone. And...

No it isn't.

If you wanna get on with your life, who's keeping you, and why are you coming back here if you can't go on with your life? Am I messing up your life and I'm not aware of that, but, as you say, "Why should it affect you?"

K.

Why do you go through all this trouble to try and convince me / us my and others' assumptions are baseless and not even true? That's not gonna change our mind, remember, we can't see since we're up in MJ's arse.

Because they are. And if your head is up there, please take it out and look around.

Same cake, different flavor. And it's yucky, plus served by a puffed-up waiter.

K.

Get yours first.

I am living it right now. That comment wasn't even directed at you.

Btw, haven't you put me on ignore already as promised the other day? Got one life to live, learn from others' mistakes, from those that don't have one. Am asking, since I'm under the impression that we're keeping you from your hobbies.

Oh, I put you on ignore, but this is way too fun to ignore, so I took you off.

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[Sophielo]

The thread will close unless the arguing stops. Don't mock each other here.