Why Did AEG/Randy Phillips???

[Soso Deaf]

no we got conflicting reports on those who worked w/him. as in doing th etour....he was great. those who were just friends or family...not so great

 

[classic]

I don't think that everyone was saying that. But I will say this though... the fans who thought or who would even question whether MJ was up to the task were attacked unmercifully. I think that everyone had high hopes that MJ could do this thing. Perhaps some more than others.

If MJ was not in a good physical state and he was addicted to prescription drugs, then it would be entirely plausible to think that he was not up to doing 1 show, let alone 50. If we remove all of the conflicting stories and statements that have been made [ie by people who are saying things now, but whose credibility is questionable because of their agendas and motivations], and just look at the man without judging the merits of the messenger, it's all adding up and going in a not so pleasant direction.

If he died of natural causes -- no drugs, then he STILL wasn't up to doing the shows, because if he were, he would still be alive. That's a fact.

If there were contributing factors that led to a detrioration of his health, then we all need to know and understand this.

Obviously MJ did NOT know his limits. If he did, he would still be alive today. But I do believe that he understood his OBLIGATIONS, and with that came the pressure and the need above all else to push his limits beyond his standing.

I do also think that 'murder' is a strong word, but beyond MJ, there are others who are RESPONSIBLE. If he was giving a drug to help him sleep that is only to be used in a hospital for a specific purpose under a controlled environment, then damn sho' someone is RESPONSIBLE and should be held accountable.

If his physical condition was detriorating to the point that fans who saw him in his last days could notice it and the damn people who were working with him everyday could not or WOULD NOT, then someone is RESPONSIBLE, because they were in a position to do something -- like STOP THE DAMN SHOWS UNTIL HE WAS BETTER, and they did nothing.

Maybe they are in denial too. I mean, as long as MJ, the consummate entertainer who did things at a perfectionist pace, was getting thru his rehearsals, I guess the hell with the fact that he was extremely thin. Perhaps people ASSUMED that he knew what he was doing.

He did not.

I know this as a firm belief. If Katherine or Jermaine or Janet had seen him in his last days, I believe with all that I am that they would NOT have let him go on in this way.

Someone was cloaking and hiding this truth.

And they too ARE RESPONSIBLE.

Again, what wouldn't make sense is the continued planning and requesting for Michael to do J5 concerts if there was truly all of this going on--not that it couldn't have but if he was going to be pushed for one type concert I don't understand some people's comments now.

Also, again, we don't yet have what really transpired. We don't know what was said or offered to Michael. And we don't know what signs were obvious to whom and were not. People were saying how frail he was months ago and yet others were saying he was not.

In the end, there are lots of people we can consider "responsible" for a lot of what has happened to Michael. But, first we need to know what condition he was really in from a medical examiner.

 

[classic]

no we got conflicting reports on those who worked w/him. as in doing th etour....he was great. those who were just friends or family...not so great

Do we have quotes before the trial of people thinking that he was not ready in terms of family and friends?

 

[Moth2aFlame]

I believe 100% in my heart, AEG never planned for Michael Jackson to do "1" concert in London thats why they where here recording his 100 hours of Rehearsal to sell on DVD I believe it was ALL a Set-Up, AEG had already made a better deal with Sony. La Toya knows what she is talking about she said "this was a MAJOR Conspriracy with many people involved". I dont believe Michael was ever going to London this was just the roost AEG used to get next to Michael Jackson get into his life, they waited until he returned to the United States, this was the only way they knew Michael would trust anyone a business venture, it was all a Lie from the beginning just to get Michael's trust and isolate him and bring him to June 25, 2009 to complete their deal minus Michael Jackson because what has happened they have gotten rid of Michael Jackson and took over his Life, Money his whole Estate they have cut the middle-man out Completely with this Fake Fraudulent Will that John Branca is parading around, they knew Michael would never board a plane to London. These people should be Lynched at the Town Square for what they have done for God's sake they took out a Life Insurance Policy on him that covered DRUG OVERDOSES and not Natural Causes whats up with that, they already had something else planned for Michael Jackson and it wasnt performing on a stage in London's 02 Arena.


Lloyd's of London --AEG Overdose Clause?

A spokesperson for Lloyd's of London tells us she's never heard of a case where her company has insured someone for a drug overdose.

AEG, the company that was promoting Jackson's London concerts, claimed yesterday the policy it took out from Lloyd's did not cover death from natural causes but did cover overdoses.

Louise Shield -- the head of communications for Lloyd's of London -- tells us such a policy is “odd" and that she's never heard the company insuring for drug overdoses.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/news.php?id=38704

Like La Toya said "I believe it was Murder and I believe MANY people are involved".

 

[mello1]

No, it's not denial, its speculation.

We weren't there, we didn't see him, and we've gotten conflicting reports about his condition from people who knew him.

To say his condition changed is speculation. If he was taking this anesthesia to combat insomnia (again, that is speculation at this point as well) then having your heart stopped due to a potent drug... he could have been in the same condition he was when he took the physical, but a wrong administration could have killed him.

Unless of course, you know for a fact that he was fine at the physical and ill at the time of death, but I don't think we really do know that, do we?

I'm fine today. I may be in the same state of health three months from now, but if I overdose on something, then that doesn't mean I was less healthy. It means I overdosed.

No. To state that his condition changed from what we were told as fact is a responsible, reasonable observation. And you are stating now that he suddenly OD'ed overnight?

Now whose being speculative here? You can't have it both ways. You want to say to others that they shouldn't speculate, yet you have come to your own conclusions and that's okay, because you have the right to think what you want.

But so do I.

 

[mello1]

Again, what wouldn't make sense is the continued planning and requesting for Michael to do J5 concerts if there was truly all of this going on--not that it couldn't have but if he was going to be pushed for one type concert I don't understand some people's comments now.

Also, again, we don't yet have what really transpired. We don't know what was said or offered to Michael. And we don't know what signs were obvious to whom and were not. People were saying how frail he was months ago and yet others were saying he was not.

In the end, there are lots of people we can consider "responsible" for a lot of what has happened to Michael. But, first we need to know what condition he was really in from a medical examiner.

I don't see what the All Good Entertainment situation has to do with MJ's condition. Clearly there are many parties with their hands in the till and now everyone wants to point fingers at the other person.

I consider whoever is responsible responsible Classic DEPENDING what what the outcome is. I'm sure that I was clear about that as well, so I don't understand your point.

 

[mello1]

Do we have quotes before the trial of people thinking that he was not ready in terms of family and friends?

I have read reports based on 'sources' that when MJ was filming his video for the O2 shows that he had to be carried out and that came out shortly after he died. Of course, I poo-pooed it at the time.

 

[KingOfPop1]

Mello, Perrin and I wish to applaud you because you are on point. The one thing that we all must agree on is that Michael Jackson has died and according to EMT, he died of a cardiac arrest. What caused that is unknown and I do feel that AEG covered up Michael's deteriorating condition. Randy Phillips stated that he had to hire someone to remind Michael to eat and Lou Ferrigno said Michael was down to one meal a day.

Any other concert promoter would have canceled and/or rescheduled. The insurance company should have been notified so they could have made a decision on whether or not to continue covering the shows. But AEG didn't do that - they continued with this farce and Michael is now dead. I'm not saying AEG murdered Michael but I am saying they have turned a blind eye to what was OBVIOUSLY going on. No matter what is said, if Michael Jackson was healthy, he would be performing right now. Something has gone terribly wrong and questions need to be asked.

 

[mello1]

I apologize if I have belabored the issue. I guess it's the engineer in me in that information for me has to follow some sort of logic. We have people saying that he was fine and that he passed his physicals. They show a tape of him singing and dancing, yet some 12 hours later, he is dead. We have had whisperings as to whether he was up to doing these shows since he announced them in March. We have Raymone Bain, BEFORE she decided to sue MJ go on Geraldo and say that she and some others were concerned about MJ's physical condition, that she didn't think he was up to doing 50 shows and that the people around him were questionable. People slammed Bain under 10 buses for that interview. I had forgotten about it until this afternoon.

And we have his family saying they hadn't seen him in at least 3 weeks to a month, that he was skinny but that they weren't worried (cuz MJ ate well the last time he was in their presence). Liza Minnelli said that 'all hell was going to break loose' when the toxicology reports come back, Oxman spoke of 'enablers', fans who saw him says that he was alarmingly thin....

... I mean, all this don't square.

I'm sorry, but I'm not one to wait before I start to ask questions when I find that things are not fitting together. If others have that disclipine, then God bless them.

 

[*~MJ Loves MJ~*]

One thing I've also taken to note. I don't like to bring up Mike's health conditions, yet if he did have Lupis (sp?) wouldn't that be a major concern for the insurance company? I mean, it's said to attack your ammune system...plus Mike's weight? God, this is making me feel sicker by the day.

It seems that people could have simply covered up the eating issues and said, "No, let him pass, he'll be fine. Besides, we have a show to put on everyone..." It just doesn't seem to fit. We were told the man was fine, in fantastic shape, passing two rigerous tests....yet the fans close to him saw something totally different. Jesus..

 

[Superstition]

No. To state that his condition changed from what we were told as fact is a responsible, reasonable observation. And you are stating now that he suddenly OD'ed overnight?

Now whose being speculative here? You can't have it both ways. You want to say to others that they shouldn't speculate, yet you have come to your own conclusions and that's okay, because you have the right to think what you want.

But so do I.

No, what I'm saying is that it wouldn't matter what his condition was if he overdosed. People keep saying "He was sick! He wouldn't be dead if he was healthy!" and all I'm saying is yes he could if it was an overdose.

I'm not saying it IS an overdose (though that's what I believe... that's what I speculate, but have not stated it as fact. I even said in my previous post it was speculation).

I'm just saying people who act like it was a fact that he was unhealthy to die COULD be wrong. Not that they are.

 

[Soso Deaf]

yes mary jo, he had lupus.

as far as the allgood shows, u gotta ask fatty lideo about that one cuz the family claims they didn't know wtf he was talking about.

 

[L.J]

I believe 100% in my heart, AEG never planned for Michael Jackson to do "1" concert in London thats why they where here recording his 100 hours of Rehearsal to sell on DVD I believe it was ALL a Set-Up, AEG had already made a better deal with Sony.

I don't believe that at all...

Don't tell me you wouldn't have recorded hours upon hours of footage of MJ rehearsing if he was your client and you were told you could.
This was suppose to be his last tour... you can bet your ass I would record every waking moment I could to preserve the creation process of one of the greatest performers of all time.
Especially in this day an age where recording is cheap and easy.
Remember that these tours were going to be expensive for AEG to run (apparently). So it stands to reason that they would look to recoup some losses via other (most likely approved) avenues.
I seem to remember The Making of Thriller being released to help with the costs of Thriller back in the day so it's not that criminal of them...
I most certainly don't think they bumped Michael off so that they could sell some random concert rehearsal for a concert no one will ever see.

 

[pamiiee]

I suppose the fact is that AEG/Randy Phillips are just like any other organisation of this day - they will rape, pillage and do whatever they can to make a buck.....

Look at the banking crisis, how institutions just f**ked people over for their own greed. Giving out money to 'ninjas'. Then they displace accountability and the wrong people get the blame and then joe bloggs suffers.

For those of us who are brought up with decency, and treating other people in a good honest caring fashion this behaviour is beyond belief. Honestly if they potentially could have some wheelchair bound granny on her death bed with the potential to make money they would manipulte, cojole and probs encourage drug enhancement to get her out there.

Randy Phillips also told lies on the news stating that there were at least four days between each gig and that no strain would have been on Michael to perform...

FULL LIST OF DATES:
13TH JULY 2009*
16th JULY 2009
18TH JULY 2009
22ND JULY 2009
24TH JULY 2009
26TH JULY 2009
28TH JULY 2009
30TH JULY 2009

1ST AUGUST 2009
3RD AUGUST 2009
10TH AUGUST 2009
12TH AUGUST 2009
17TH AUGUST 2009
19TH AUGUST 2009
24TH AUGUST 2009
26TH AUGUST 2009
28TH AUGUST 2009
30TH AUGUST 2009
1ST SEPTEMBER 2009
3RD SEPTEMBER 2009
6TH SEPTEMBER 2009
8TH SEPTEMBER 2009
10TH SEPTEMBER 2009
21ST SEPTEMBER 2009
23RD SEPTEMBER 2009
27TH SEPTEMBER 2009
29TH SEPTEMBER 2009

7TH JANUARY 2010
9TH JANUARY 2010
12TH JANUARY 2010
14TH JANUARY 2010
16TH JANUARY 2010
18TH JANUARY 2010
23RD JANUARY 2010
25TH JANUARY 2010
27TH JANUARY 2010
29TH JANUARY 2010
1ST FEBRUARY 2010
3RD FEBRUARY 2010
8TH FEBRUARY 2010
10TH FEBRUARY 2010
12TH FEBRUARY 2010
16TH FEBRUARY 2010
18TH FEBRUARY 2010
20TH FEBRUARY 2010
22ND FEBRUARY 2010
24TH FEBRUARY 2010

1ST MARCH 2010*
3RD MARCH 2010*
6TH MARCH 2010*

When you actually look at the amount of dates above, the decisions made to book these days is incredible.

Imagine how Michael must have felt just looking at the revamped list of dates.

 

[Mikejoefan]

^ when I first heard michael cried that morning after hearing the news. I though it was tears of JOY, who woulda thought they were really tears of "what have i got myself into." I could smack the taste outta randy's mouth. going from 10 to 50 was drastic and im sure michael's pressure when up through the roof when he heard that.

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Honestly if they potentially could have some wheelchair bound granny on her death bed with the potential to make money

I bust out :lol:

 

[L.J]

Mello, Perrin and I wish to applaud you because you are on point. The one thing that we all must agree on is that Michael Jackson has died and according to EMT, he died of a cardiac arrest. What caused that is unknown and I do feel that AEG covered up Michael's deteriorating condition. Randy Phillips stated that he had to hire someone to remind Michael to eat and Lou Ferrigno said Michael was down to one meal a day.

See now this is something I've been thinking about a bit cause I just keep thinking that if I was taking a team of athletes to a sporting event (whether it be a one off football match or the Tour de France) one thing I'd be constantly checking on is their condition. Michael was not Pavarotti... his show would not involve him standing in 3 different stage positions and singing to us. His shows were to be intensely physically demanding... he needed to be treated like a top performing athlete. Now it has been said in the past that when Michael is working on something so heavily that he forgets everything else including to feed himself, and this often does happen with highly driven people.

One meal a day was not good enough for the kind of energy he was burning up. His body would have been working overtime to pull energy from muscle cells (instead of fat cells cause clearly he didn't have much in the way of fat tissue on him)... and maybe even organ cells (liver etc).
For a person who already had existing medical conditions coupled with high stress levels... he was balancing a dangerous lifestyle... with the risk = potential cardiac arrest.

Now anyone in charge of an athlete/performer who was heading down the track of causing harm to themselves through over-exertion without taking proper action... risks losing that person to injury or worse... oh and btw insomnia is usually a symptom that arises when the body is being overworked.

My question is did AEG undertake all the correct and possible actions in ensuring Michael would not succumb to stress or over-exertion?

I'm guessing from this next quoted piece... that perhaps not...

Any other concert promoter would have canceled and/or rescheduled. The insurance company should have been notified so they could have made a decision on whether or not to continue covering the shows. But AEG didn't do that - they continued with this farce and Michael is now dead. I'm not saying AEG murdered Michael but I am saying they have turned a blind eye to what was OBVIOUSLY going on. No matter what is said, if Michael Jackson was healthy, he would be performing right now. Something has gone terribly wrong and questions need to be asked.

Oh come now... who's going to notify the one group that will pull the plug on a lot of $$$? Much easier to turn the blind eye and hope that things will be far better once the shows kick off..... only problem is... that's irresponsible. Throwing things to chance when the stakes are so high is not a game that should be played when a potential loss can equal the serious injury/death of your main asset.

I'm still inclined to agree with your OP questions do need to be asked. I don't believe in creating conspiracy theories but when things don't add up it's only sense to question and find out why.

 

[Mechi]

Any other concert promoter would have canceled and/or rescheduled. The insurance company should have been notified so they could have made a decision on whether or not to continue covering the shows. But AEG didn't do that - they continued with this farce and Michael is now dead.

I'm wondering if the insurance did already fire someone... I mean coverage of an overdose... for sure someone will lose a good payed insurance job?! or just change and start position at AEG?!
I would really like to know which insurance world wide ever covered such for someone.

Then again I could imagine Lloyds getting to know AEG hiring someone for 'feeding' Michael and all that... the way I know insurance business in the health field in Germany. Lloyds could sue AEG instead of paying right away at least try to get a new agreement out of court?!

Well one would have to know contracts to really know what will/could happen and we for sure never will.

But there simply is A HELL LOT OF NOT USUAL STUFF GOING ON THERE... which should at least be explained to Michaels family I hope.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

S I don't believe in creating conspiracy theories but when things don't add up it's only sense to question and find out why.

Good points, its good for us to discuss every side to this.

What do you think about the fact that Michael did believe in conspiracy and believed people were out to get him? He was an intelligent man and I don't think he imagined it to be honest.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

I suppose the fact is that AEG/Randy Phillips are just like any other organisation of this day - they will rape, pillage and do whatever they can to make a buck.....

Look at the banking crisis, how institutions just f**ked people over for their own greed. Giving out money to 'ninjas'. Then they displace accountability and the wrong people get the blame and then joe bloggs suffers.

For those of us who are brought up with decency, and treating other people in a good honest caring fashion this behaviour is beyond belief. Honestly if they potentially could have some wheelchair bound granny on her death bed with the potential to make money they would manipulte, cojole and probs encourage drug enhancement to get her out there.

Randy Phillips also told lies on the news stating that there were at least four days between each gig and that no strain would have been on Michael to perform...

FULL LIST OF DATES:
13TH JULY 2009*
16th JULY 2009
18TH JULY 2009
22ND JULY 2009
24TH JULY 2009
26TH JULY 2009
28TH JULY 2009
30TH JULY 2009

1ST AUGUST 2009
3RD AUGUST 2009
10TH AUGUST 2009
12TH AUGUST 2009
17TH AUGUST 2009
19TH AUGUST 2009
24TH AUGUST 2009
26TH AUGUST 2009
28TH AUGUST 2009
30TH AUGUST 2009
1ST SEPTEMBER 2009
3RD SEPTEMBER 2009
6TH SEPTEMBER 2009
8TH SEPTEMBER 2009
10TH SEPTEMBER 2009
21ST SEPTEMBER 2009
23RD SEPTEMBER 2009
27TH SEPTEMBER 2009
29TH SEPTEMBER 2009

7TH JANUARY 2010
9TH JANUARY 2010
12TH JANUARY 2010
14TH JANUARY 2010
16TH JANUARY 2010
18TH JANUARY 2010
23RD JANUARY 2010
25TH JANUARY 2010
27TH JANUARY 2010
29TH JANUARY 2010
1ST FEBRUARY 2010
3RD FEBRUARY 2010
8TH FEBRUARY 2010
10TH FEBRUARY 2010
12TH FEBRUARY 2010
16TH FEBRUARY 2010
18TH FEBRUARY 2010
20TH FEBRUARY 2010
22ND FEBRUARY 2010
24TH FEBRUARY 2010

1ST MARCH 2010*
3RD MARCH 2010*
6TH MARCH 2010*

When you actually look at the amount of dates above, the decisions made to book these days is incredible.

Imagine how Michael must have felt just looking at the revamped list of dates.

Randy Phillips lies left, right and centre. I despise that man.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

"Since he loved his fans in life, it is incumbent upon us to treat them with the same reverence and respect after his death," Randy Phillips

This statement alone makes me feel so sick. Trying to manipulate grieving people's minds to believe he cared. You care Randy but only for cash.

 

[L.J]

Good points, its good for us to discuss every side to this.

What do you think about the fact that Michael did believe in conspiracy and believed people were out to get him? He was an intelligent man and I don't think he imagined it to be honest.

Well, at the risk of offending people without intending it, conspiracy theories are a popular belief in the US, and I think that's partially because there's always so many half truths in the press, and also perhaps partially because it's a younger country.

But also he was at the top... and when you're at the top it's easy to become paranoid and watch for who might bump you off the top... whether it be off the charts or off the planet.

I personally don't want his legacy to be about the surroundings of his death.
I just really don't want Michael's death to be shadowed in conspiracy or doubts and what if's and who did it's like Monroe's and JFKs

 

[classic]

I don't see what the All Good Entertainment situation has to do with MJ's condition. Clearly there are many parties with their hands in the till and now everyone wants to point fingers at the other person.

I consider whoever is responsible responsible Classic DEPENDING what what the outcome is. I'm sure that I was clear about that as well, so I don't understand your point.

My point all along.

Also, if you are going to look at conspiracies, then there can be more than one option. There were people who were going to stand to make profits and there were people who felt that they were going to lose out if these concerts went forward. All I'm saying is that if questions are going to be asked, why not ask about both sides of the fence. Also, you would have to discuss the possibility of the use of Diprivan if a doctor has admitted to such previously; if so, then that may have negated anything else. To me that is really exploring what could have happened and not just looking at support for one theory.

I'm not saying that Michael was not overworked or physically feeling the stress of what he was doing. And I'm not saying that people may have thought things would just get better. Or that people tried to help but it wasn't enough. But, at this point we don't have enough in terms of motivation on anyone's part, including Michael's, who would have had some say. We don't know how much Michael ignored this or that said to him. I don't buy the whole idea that he would just go along with whatever even if it was hurting him physically; he would have known that he still had to be in a certain physical shape to even just "go along with what he was being told."

 

[classic]

I have read reports based on 'sources' that when MJ was filming his video for the O2 shows that he had to be carried out and that came out shortly after he died. Of course, I poo-pooed it at the time.

But, no on the record reports? That is what I want to know if it exists.

All the public "I knew something was wrong" now versus then is what I would love to compare.

 

[classic]

No, what I'm saying is that it wouldn't matter what his condition was if he overdosed. People keep saying "He was sick! He wouldn't be dead if he was healthy!" and all I'm saying is yes he could if it was an overdose.

I'm not saying it IS an overdose (though that's what I believe... that's what I speculate, but have not stated it as fact. I even said in my previous post it was speculation).

I'm just saying people who act like it was a fact that he was unhealthy to die COULD be wrong. Not that they are.

If Diprivan was involved, you are right. The state of his health would be a secondary issue and the prosecutors should, if such is the case, go after whomever with full force.

 

[classic]

yes mary jo, he had lupus.

as far as the allgood shows, u gotta ask fatty lideo about that one cuz the family claims they didn't know wtf he was talking about.

And that is my point. Yet L. Rowe's website had an announcement about the concerts on his webpage; it was then updated to express sympathy over Michael's passing. That wouldn't jive with everyone saying he desperately needed help yet at the same time putting together a J5 concert.

 

[classic]

I don't believe that at all...

Don't tell me you wouldn't have recorded hours upon hours of footage of MJ rehearsing if he was your client and you were told you could.
This was suppose to be his last tour... you can bet your ass I would record every waking moment I could to preserve the creation process of one of the greatest performers of all time.
Especially in this day an age where recording is cheap and easy.
Remember that these tours were going to be expensive for AEG to run (apparently). So it stands to reason that they would look to recoup some losses via other (most likely approved) avenues.
I seem to remember The Making of Thriller being released to help with the costs of Thriller back in the day so it's not that criminal of them...
I most certainly don't think they bumped Michael off so that they could sell some random concert rehearsal for a concert no one will ever see.

Didn't Michael always record such stuff?

Of course you question what is not making sense. But, trying to make things strange that was not strange is not helping or fitting pieces together.

 

[classic]

See now this is something I've been thinking about a bit cause I just keep thinking that if I was taking a team of athletes to a sporting event (whether it be a one off football match or the Tour de France) one thing I'd be constantly checking on is their condition. Michael was not Pavarotti... his show would not involve him standing in 3 different stage positions and singing to us. His shows were to be intensely physically demanding... he needed to be treated like a top performing athlete. Now it has been said in the past that when Michael is working on something so heavily that he forgets everything else including to feed himself, and this often does happen with highly driven people.

One meal a day was not good enough for the kind of energy he was burning up. His body would have been working overtime to pull energy from muscle cells (instead of fat cells cause clearly he didn't have much in the way of fat tissue on him)... and maybe even organ cells (liver etc).
For a person who already had existing medical conditions coupled with high stress levels... he was balancing a dangerous lifestyle... with the risk = potential cardiac arrest.

Now anyone in charge of an athlete/performer who was heading down the track of causing harm to themselves through over-exertion without taking proper action... risks losing that person to injury or worse... oh and btw insomnia is usually a symptom that arises when the body is being overworked.

My question is did AEG undertake all the correct and possible actions in ensuring Michael would not succumb to stress or over-exertion?

I'm guessing from this next quoted piece... that perhaps not...




Oh come now... who's going to notify the one group that will pull the plug on a lot of $$$? Much easier to turn the blind eye and hope that things will be far better once the shows kick off..... only problem is... that's irresponsible. Throwing things to chance when the stakes are so high is not a game that should be played when a potential loss can equal the serious injury/death of your main asset.

I'm still inclined to agree with your OP questions do need to be asked. I don't believe in creating conspiracy theories but when things don't add up it's only sense to question and find out why.

Again, hasn't Michael been reported to always have the reduction of eating, etc. when working hard. Michael would also have had to agree to pulling the plug on these concerts or at least have some input. If you take what was reported by that nurse practitioner as truth, she recommended that Michael go to the hospital; so far we have no record of him having done so; did he contact Murray at that point and he intervened or what? Again, if everything did happen as told. As far as insomnia, no one would no that unless Michael told him or her. Again, which leads back to the doctor. What did he know and observe and how did he respond in terms of recommending treatment, proceeding with the pace of everything, etc.

 

[mello1]

No, what I'm saying is that it wouldn't matter what his condition was if he overdosed. People keep saying "He was sick! He wouldn't be dead if he was healthy!" and all I'm saying is yes he could if it was an overdose.

I'm not saying it IS an overdose (though that's what I believe... that's what I speculate, but have not stated it as fact. I even said in my previous post it was speculation).

I'm just saying people who act like it was a fact that he was unhealthy to die COULD be wrong. Not that they are.

I disagree. If someone OD's, they are NOT healthy, whether they OD on heroin or vicadin (if that's possible). Someone OD'ing means to me that they are taking something at such high quantities that they are unable to know when too much is too much.

The ONLY way the sceanaro you laid out would be so is if MJ took something that he NEVER took before and it killed him.

Then that's murder.

 

[classic]

Mello, Perrin and I wish to applaud you because you are on point. The one thing that we all must agree on is that Michael Jackson has died and according to EMT, he died of a cardiac arrest. What caused that is unknown and I do feel that AEG covered up Michael's deteriorating condition. Randy Phillips stated that he had to hire someone to remind Michael to eat and Lou Ferrigno said Michael was down to one meal a day.

Any other concert promoter would have canceled and/or rescheduled. The insurance company should have been notified so they could have made a decision on whether or not to continue covering the shows. But AEG didn't do that - they continued with this farce and Michael is now dead. I'm not saying AEG murdered Michael but I am saying they have turned a blind eye to what was OBVIOUSLY going on. No matter what is said, if Michael Jackson was healthy, he would be performing right now. Something has gone terribly wrong and questions need to be asked.

I don't think we could say that any other concert promoter would have canceled or rescheduled shows. We have seen many performers who one would think should probably be in rehab or a hospital instead of on stage.

Also, if AEG knowingly knew Michael had health concerns but in some way forced him to continue, then that would be negligence and some might argue criminally so. But, again, we would have to know what Michael was or was not saying to them.

After Michael's death it was days (and not just one or two) before I ate anything. People would say you need to eat because you haven't eaten anything. I would simply reply, "Oh yeah, I did earlier when you weren't here" or "I'll get something in a bit; I just want to finish one more thing" or something else like that.

So, even if they hired someone to get him eating more, Michael would still have to accept the food and admit that he truly had not eaten. The person could have said that it was time to eat only to have heard in response that he ate before arriving. Those are things that we don't know and until we do know, we can't say who or who was not negligent.

Also, keep in mind that some were saying how horrible Michael looked at the concert announcements and that he didn't look up to performing. Again, that would be subjective. But, like I said, the medical examiner would or should be able to make some judgments about this area, so we will know more with his report, I would hope.

I do think that it must have been hard for MJ juggling everything.

 

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One thing that I did remember was Lionel Richie's comment about him saying to Michael that he wasn't going to be able to do the same on stage as before because of age, etc. And some people gave Richie flack for that comment as well.

However, Michael was obviously planning a production bigger than ever. But, I do remember one of the choreographers stating that Michael was making some adjustments to accommodate anything that wasn't feeling right. So there is evidence that he wanted to do it big but that he was also trying to do it the right way.

The eating, sleeping problems, and weight loss would also need to be compared to previous tours and preparations because the medical history would have been the same as far as we know. Depending then, he would have never performed or people would have thought it was as if before and he would be fine.