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"750 million" Why don't people believe this figure

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Arabian Knight said:
I am talking about the fans who find it hard to believe and find it exaggerated.

750 mil could probably be a round figure and I know that it was publicly announced and attested by reputable organizations, what type of a “fan” who try to prove the figure is less?! Being aware of MJ’s history gives you no surprise to believe this figure could be even more, maybe there could be sales not even counted in the past and MJ may have done well over 750 mil. I thought when this topic was raised, fans will be more aware and ready to prove MJ is worth it and fans should be the ones to be defensive against all the skeptics since the figure was publicly announced on the WMA/Guinness, otherwise if this was an unreliable source (which is doubtful) then you could be very skeptical. Me being a fan I try to be a reference and support him when he deserves it.
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Sorry, but Guinness is not a source when it comes to albums sales! For years they had the Thriller sales too low... and when they finally gave him an award for 104 mio, they went around a year later saying that they got told that number by Michael's management and have no independent verification!

And the reason why that 750 mio number is questioned probably has to do with the fact that that number jumped from 350 to 500 to 750 mio! Nobody really knows what's supposedly counted, so forgive people who question it!

Besides, I don't care what anyone thinks "what type of fan" I am... I find the number doubtfuland as long as there won't be more solid proof I will continue to doubt it!
 
If his major (OTW/THRILLER/BAD/DANG./HIST./BODF/INV.) solo albums through the 80's,90's 00's can seel over 200 million I don't understand why it would be so hard to believe 750 million counting all his solo stuff from his whole solo career.. From Motown - Sony.. Counting all singles, best of's.... all that..
 
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It's so hard to believe because his solo Motown stuff sold a fraction of what his solo Epic stuff has sold!
 
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PatrickS77 said:
It's so hard to believe because his solo Motown stuff sold a fraction of what his solo Epic stuff has sold!
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That I do not believe because MJ's millions of fans around the world bought up everything MJ including a;ll his motown stuff. That would have increase sales enormously.
 
KOPV said:
If his major (OTW/THRILLER/BAD/DANG./HIST./BODF/INV.) solo albums through the 80's,90's 00's can seel over 200 million I don't understand why it would be so hard to believe 750 million counting all his solo stuff from his whole solo career.. From Motown - Sony.. Counting all singles, best of's.... all that..
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with other artists, it seems easy to believe, after they have achieved legendary status...but for some reason, it seems to be harder for some people to believe when it comes to MJ, who now has legendary status.
 
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Well, for the record I also do not quite believe the Beatles and Elvis sales numbers... it's mostly exaggerated and misinformed BS they throw around!
 
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In SINGLES alone Michael has sold over 110 million..
 
Rasta Pasta said:
good point!!! .. I wouldn't be surprised if Michael owns the Eagles' catalog of songs in the near future.. Get them, Mike... Getem!
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That won't happen, because The Eagles' own their publishing. Lennon & McCartney were ripped off. The stuff that George Harrison & Richard Starkey (Ringo) wrote was under a seperate deal and so Mike doesn't own their material. People keep saying that MJ just owns the Beatles publishing, but ATV has over a thousand songs. Some of Lauryn Hill's stuff is in the ATV catalog as well as many other artists.
 
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PatrickS77 said:
It's so hard to believe because his solo Motown stuff sold a fraction of what his solo Epic stuff has sold!
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Well the Motown albums have been out of print a long time. At the time they were released the albums didn't sell that much. Popular albums don't go out of print. As such can't be purchased, except in yard sales or something. As far as singles go, mainly it was the 1st album that was most popular. All of the J5 albums were out of print until the 2001 re-release, and most of them had never been on CD. Some of the albums were re-released briefly in the early 80s after Thriller came out as low budget releases (or cutouts), which are never counted in the sales figures. Another thing is that Motown would never release sales figures to the RIAA (as they didn't want to pay any of the performers). That means none of their stuff ever got gold or platinum certications. In a lot of cases, Motown would take a regular vinyl record and spray gold paint on it and give it to the act. If you've noticed, most of their popular acts left and went to other labels. Marvin Gaye discovered the group Maze, but he took them to another label, not the one he was on. Berry Gordy had a really hard time getting people to do the Motown 25 show.
 
MJ just owns the Beatles publishing, but ATV has over a thousand songs
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make that around 600,000. the mijac cat has just under a 1000 songs in it
 
vncwilliam said:
with other artists, it seems easy to believe, after they have achieved legendary status...but for some reason, it seems to be harder for some people to believe when it comes to MJ, who now has legendary status.
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I agree :)
 
I've cleaned the thread from the personal attacks, simply because they're against the rules and is not nice to read.

Please continue :flowers:
 
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I'm beginning to think people counted video sales, DVDs, singles, albums, cassette tapes, vinyl copies, blah, blah, blah to come up with the figures they come from Elvis, the Beatles and MJ and this is why debate over who really sold the most will continue.

Why y'all arguing when those three acts have seen more MONEY than we've seen? :lol:
 
And I'll say this, if MJ's J5/Jacksons sales should be added, then the Beatles will add to Paul and the Supremes' '60s material will add to Diana.

Think about it. :D
 
troubleman84 said:
And I'll say this, if MJ's J5/Jacksons sales should be added, then the Beatles will add to Paul and the Supremes' '60s material will add to Diana.

Think about it. :D
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Paul Mc did not sell much as a solo artist, neither did John. The figures were added and it showed that J5 and Jackson stuff puts MJ as the biggest artist ever cause he outsold the beatles.
 
i'm not picking on you, honest
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lol but...

Datsymay said:
Paul Mc did not sell much as a solo artist, neither did John. The figures were added and it showed that J5 and Jackson stuff puts MJ as the biggest artist ever cause he outsold the beatles.
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According to Guinness World Records he has sold more records (400 million), penned more No 1 hits (50) and played to a bigger paying audience (350,000) than any other songwriter. It has made him the richest rock star in the world, with an estimated personal fortune of £825m. His song "Yesterday" is one the most recorded songs ever, with more than 3,000 versions.
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See 750 million albums sold is true because if we include all the sales of all the singles,videos,tapes,etc...Plus the pirated ones,which sold raplidly,the total sales would be around 1 billion .We all know that most of our friends and family members definatley have atleast MJ`s one album/single atleast with them.So just count the number of those families ,the figure would be way more than 750 million when we consider the whole worldwide.MJ has unlimited number of fans all over.
 
arXter said:
i'm not picking on you, honest
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lol but...

According to Guinness World Records he has sold more records (400 million), penned more No 1 hits (50) and played to a bigger paying audience (350,000) than any other songwriter. It has made him the richest rock star in the world, with an estimated personal fortune of £825m. His song "Yesterday" is one the most recorded songs ever, with more than 3,000 versions.
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There u go. :lol:
 
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Jerin said:
See 750 million albums sold is true because if we include all the sales of all the singles,videos,tapes,etc...Plus the pirated ones,which sold raplidly,the total sales would be around 1 billion .We all know that most of our friends and family members definatley have atleast MJ`s one album/single atleast with them.So just count the number of those families ,the figure would be way more than 750 million when we consider the whole worldwide.MJ has unlimited number of fans all over.
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Oh, yes... like the Beatles and Elvis don't!? Also no one never has pirated their works, right?? LOL, sorry... but this discussion is ridiculous... either you believe it or you don't! But all 3 mentioned artists have a strong case and there will never be a confirmation on who's actually sold most!
 
troubleman84 said:
I'm beginning to think people counted video sales, DVDs, singles, albums, cassette tapes, vinyl copies, blah, blah, blah to come up with the figures they come from Elvis, the Beatles and MJ and this is why debate over who really sold the most will continue.

Why y'all arguing when those three acts have seen more MONEY than we've seen? :lol:
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that's a lot closer to the truth for people whose minds want to continue to haggle..lol...

cus..for some, it's convenient to believe Guiness at one time...and not to believe them at other times...

and there's still the argument of whether John actually wrote the song..or Paul actually wrote the song...lol. and for that matter...even the definition of 'songwriter' is always in question, if more than one person is in the room.

i think peoples' minds will stay where they wish to stay...but i think MJ reached more third world counties than anyone....and, of course, some sales were not counted.

one thing is for certain. MJ has caused and still causes more mob scenes at every part of the globe, than anyone in music history...and you can't tell me that at least ninety percent of those mob scenes include people that still buy his material. well..you can say it, but you would be wrong.
 
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arXter said:
i'm not picking on you, honest
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lol but...

According to Guinness World Records he has sold more records (400 million), penned more No 1 hits (50) and played to a bigger paying audience (350,000) than any other songwriter. It has made him the richest rock star in the world, with an estimated personal fortune of £825m. His song "Yesterday" is one the most recorded songs ever, with more than 3,000 versions.​

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All of that is to do with the Beatles as a group. Also it was revealed that he did n't have that much money as they have been talking about. In fact he only had half the amount.


That is because they have included the Beatles hits into the bargain. Every body knws Paul was not very successful as a solo artist. I had it on record that he sold 50 million as a solo artist and John sold sligtly less. He he sold that amount as a solo artist who bought the records, what are the albums?
 
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If Thriller the album is selling 2 million copies in two months, I believe everything.
 
Topflux said:
If Thriller the album is selling 2 million copies in two months, I believe everything.
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best post yet. (and that's at least what the bean counters are WILLING to count)

people are gunna believe what they want, no matter what info is out there, or is not out there.
 
arXter: yes, those figures have nothing to do with MacCartney as artist, but rather with Beatles as group. However, Paul still holds many significant records as person, too -- that concerns to "Yesterday" song, which he is author of, and some concert achievements. There is no way to deny it, MacCartney is one of the biggest figures in music history, even though most of his input was not related to his whatever efforts as solo artist.

With this, Michael Jackson is unparalleled; this can not be denied, too.
 
vncwilliam said:
that's a lot closer to the truth for people whose minds want to continue to haggle..lol...

cus..for some, it's convenient to believe Guiness at one time...and not to believe them at other times...

and there's still the argument of whether John actually wrote the song..or Paul actually wrote the song...lol. and for that matter...even the definition of 'songwriter' is always in question, if more than one person is in the room.

i think peoples' minds will stay where they wish to stay...but i think MJ reached more third world counties than anyone....and, of course, some sales were not counted.

one thing is for certain. MJ has caused and still causes more mob scenes at every part of the globe, than anyone in music history...and you can't tell me that at least ninety percent of those mob scenes include people that still buy his material. well..you can say it, but you would be wrong.
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Yep, believe in Guinness when it's convenient, that's why on one hand they CLAIMED Thriller did 104 mill then go around and do a 360 saying "Michael's people said that ish, not us". :lol:
 
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Like I said, Guinness is not really an authority when it comes to album sales... they print what they get told to print!
 
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The International Federation of the Phonographic Industry has just published its updated list of the 150 highest selling artists ever.

The full top 10 goes as follow:
01. The Beatles 40 400,000,000 UK 60s (1962-1970) Rock/Pop Guinness/EMI
02. Michael Jackson 14 350,000,000 US 70s-00s (1979-) Pop/R&B MJ Stats
03. Elvis Presley 150 300,000,000 US 50s-70s (1956-1977) Country/Rock
04. Madonna 16 275,000,000 US 80s-00s (1984-) Pop WBR [1]
05. Nana Mouskouri 450 250,000,000 Greece 60s-00s (1959-) Pop [2][3]
06. Cliff Richard 60 250,000,000 UK 50s-00s (1959-1969,1977-1979,1986-1999) Rock/Pop [4]
07.The Rolling Stones 54 ~250,000,000 UK 60s-00s (1964-1981) Rock 60.5 million in the US [5]
08. Mariah Carey 14 230,000,000 US 90s-00s (1990-) Pop/R&B
09. Elton John 43 ~220,000,000 UK 70s-00s (1972-1976,1989-1991,1997-) Pop [6]
10.Celine Dion 21 220,000,000 Canada 80s-00s (1990-) Pop Music/Pop Discography
 
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