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Back in 2006, Big Chuck Stanton said Michael wanted to take the world by storm, and then Neyo said a couple of months ago that Michael wanted to "shock" the world. What exactly do you think Mike can do better or differently that will "shock" the world since he's basically accomplished it all in the music business. I think this is a good discussion question.:)
 
I think the "shock" will just be that in a time where it's widely agree that the standard of popular music is very low, Michael will come along and actually make a good album. Which sadly will "shock" everyone in contrast to the music that is on the charts at the moment.
 
I think Mike has ALREADY shocked the world. To many, the fact that he came away from that trial in one piece and STILL maintains a strong fan base has a lot of folks shaking their heads. LOL!

At this point, in my opinion, anything he does will be a shock, just because we hardly ever see him.

I'm just waiting for his first new video to be released (if and when). I truly believe it will cause the same excitement, that his new video's have always caused. Makes me think of Missy Elliot talking about how excited she and her friends would be, when a new MJ video was being released.
 
This will be a tough one Jaydom7, too tough for me and too tough for you as you have already answered your own question, It will be interesting to see what suggestions are put forward though. If anyone can come up with even one sensible idea then I'm going to claim that person to be Michael himself posting on this forum.

I believe he can take us by storm again because he's a genius but I'd rather wait and see than expect him to do it. This will be an interesting thread.
 
I agree Big Apple! The fact that Mike is still here and is now selling T25 like hotcakes is a "shock" in itself to many people I would think
 
I think SHOCK THE WORLD etc..

means simply creating a huge album..

1) People doubt him so much, they are not expecting a big great album from Michael

2) a nice fresh sound, one that people from all over can grab onto etc..


I don't think he means 'Shock' as in the music is so unique that it will revolutionize music again.. I think it's just taking the world by suprise that MIKE STILL GOT IT.. and he's better and bigger than all these cats out there now.
 
I dont think MJ will "shock" as you call it, I think he will show the world what they have been missing and what a true talent MJ still is

Shock isnt a word I would use
 
I don't think Michael will shock the world, he's already done that, the ones who will shock the world will be his fans, when his new album goes straight to No. 1 and sales like crazy, that'll shock the world.
 
I don't know about yall, but I think that some really big things are gonna happen with this new album.

Yes, Michael has done it all, but I think the shock factor is gonna be all in how he presents himself to the public for the first time since the trial. And that presentation has got to be memorable AND it has got to remind the public of just how good Michael really is.

I personally believe that his first single is gonna go straight to #1 just like You Are Not Alone did, because of the great anticipation by the masses to hear something new from him. Radio is gonna be bumping that thing like crazy.

And if this new first single is uptempo, and Michael performs it with his first appearance to new dance moves in a venue where everybody will be watching it at the same time, then look out!

The only venue I know of where everybody can experience the King of Pop at the same time is TV!
 
Well,I think he can shock the world again.Musically,it is not going to be so hard,because the standards today are not so high,but when it comes to videos and live performances,he can do many many shocking things.We all now that Michael loves technology and he is very interested in it.Using the technology that we have today,comparing to the '90 and '80,he can really make some great things.Problem is you need a lot of money...
But,look,just to give you some kind of idea of what I'm thinking about.I would love to see Michael performing Dangerous live,but instead of having dancers behind him, he could have holograms of his self,dancing like him.Imagine a stage full of Michaels,doing the same step,at the same time...That would be shocking! :D
 
Can you imagine how crazy the media folks are gonna be if Michael manages to sell 5 mil copies of this next album?
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
Can you imagine how crazy the media folks are gonna be if Michael manages to sell 5 mil copies of this next album?
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Honestly, Invincible was number one on the charts and sold around 10 million copies worldwide yet was been deemed as a flop by critics (even though Prince, who is a great artist, only sold 2 millions copies of Musicology, many of which were given away with ticket sales, and it was deemed a comeback album).

So if Michael Jackson sells 5 million copies, there will be two things said about it: "It's not Thriller and it is a flop." Why? Well... because a lot of the media sucks.

I say it will have to sell ten million copies and have one or two number on singles for the media to give it some positive attention.

As for what MJ can do differently, he's going to have to start announcing things. Right now, the only people concerned about this album are maybe people in the industry and die hard fans. Raymone Baine says two or three singles will be out by year's end. Nothing. A charity single. Nothing. Jackson shows up for an award and when he could surprise the crap out of his fans and get people talking, he lip-syncs. Honestly, that's his choice. I'm not trying to be negative, but if someone wants to be an entertainer, they entertain. Michael Jackson may work on some material and release it, but I'm not sure if he'll still be the entertainer he once was. Of course, he may end up announcing a release date, have a huge promotion for the album, release videos and do a tour and I will eat my words. That would be great.

In the meantime, some information would be nice though. Even if it's just a blog where he updates his fans monthly.
 
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Superstition,

I agree. Some type of update would be nice every once in a while. We haven't heard anything in ages;). We're not even sure if a new album is really coming. I think this strategy is only making things worse, because with the deafening silence, fans will expect that the new music will be so good, and if it's not we will be really disappointed.
 
I think he should decide if he wants to start again as an artist, or stay a personality, which he has been for years and years now. He says 'he's done it all', and that he has nothing left to prove.

If that's the case, throw in the towel, and don't say 'there's more to come from Michael Jackson', or things like, 'shock the world' and 'you ain't seen nothing yet'. It promises something, and when time and time again nothing comes from it, it's one big dissappointment.

So basicly that's it I think. He has to decide what he wants. Not promising stuff and not delivering. And making his mind up about his future. If that is that he only wants to be a father, so be it. I have beautiful music and dvd's to remember what it was like.

If it is making a new cd... better make it a good one, and do a tour. Because if he wants to be remembered as an artist, he'd better take some action. Because now the majority of the public sees him as odd at best, a freak at worst. (don't shoot the messenger)
 
I dont like that MJ always want to be inovativ. i think that is the wrong way of thinking. people that are inovating dose never think: lets make somthing inovating!

It comes naturely....and when he made thriller he was not focusing on making somthing inovating. it just happend.
I hop he will relax and just make a good CD.a nd dont try to be hipp like on invincible
 
Actually,when he made Thriller,he wanted it to be the most amazing album of that period.He wanted to be the best!He had no idea that Thriller will become the best selling album of all time,and remain so for more than 25 years,but he did want it to be a fantastic album.
I think it's better to want to be the best.If you aim high,you will go very high. :)
 
Well, the people who see Michael Jackson as a odd ball or a freak will be left with that memory of Michael, but the people who see him as a genious and an inspiring entertainer will still see him that way.'Nothing MJ can do to change that. MJ has lasted longer than most in the entertainment business. He has done more than most, and neither the Beatles nor Elvis did as much as Michael or lasted longer, yet nobody expected them to keep coming back to prove themselves in order tobe validated, so someone please tell me why Michael jacksons work is not enough for him to be considered qualified to be recognised as much as everybody else in the business. Why does he have to work his ass off to be recognised and treated with respect? I really don't get it. Who cares if they see him as a freak? What is he doing that is fraekish to anyone? I can't see it myself. Sometimes I think that fans justify the media racist and prejuducial behaviour towards Michael jackson.
MJ is victimised in the press and if he doesn't change his ways and make more music he will be considered a freak, even if he is not. Geese. Is there any justice in this world?
I think MJ understands this freakish thing. He wrote it in his lyrics. See 'Is it Scarey'.
 
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Datsymay said:
Well, the people who see Michael Jackson as a odd ball or a freak will be left with that memory of Michael, but the people who see him as a genious and an inspiring entertainer will still see him that way.'Nothing MJ can do to change that. MJ has lasted longer than most in the entertainment business. He has done more than most, and neither the Beatles nor Elvis did as much as Michael or lasted longer, yet nobody expected them to keep coming back to prove themselves in order tobe validated, so someone please tell me why Michael jacksons work is not enough for him to be considered qualified to be recognised as much as everybody else in the business. Why does he have to work his ass off to be recognised and treated with respect? I really don't get it. Who cares if they see him as a freak? What is he doing that is fraekish to anyone? I can't see it myself. Sometimes I think that fans justify the media racist and prejuducial behaviour towards Michael jackson.
MJ is victimised in the press and if he doesn't change his ways and make more music he will be considered a freak, even if he is not. Geese. Is there any justice in this world?
I think MJ understands this freakish thing. He wrote it in his lyrics. See 'Is it Scarey'.
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I dont get it...way dose mj fans like to make MJ as a victim?....he is not!...there are many other celebs taht get more **** from the press than mj dose. He shold actually be glad. maybe there was a period back in 1993 when he whas on every front page. but right now I think the press dosent acctually care what he is doing. and even in the traial period many big newspaper did actually give him respect.

May be thriller and mj did have a big impact on the music industry. but the normal people look at beatles, elvis as way bigger than mj. I dont know way but it is just like that
 
nationtonation said:
I dont get it...way dose mj fans like to make MJ as a victim?....he is not!...there are many other celebs taht get more **** from the press than mj dose. He shold actually be glad. maybe there was a period back in 1993 when he whas on every front page. but right now I think the press dosent acctually care what he is doing. and even in the traial period many big newspaper did actually give him respect.

May be thriller and mj did have a big impact on the music industry. but the normal people look at beatles, elvis as way bigger than mj. I dont know way but it is just like that
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That explains why you are here and not on the other most influencial boards.:)
 
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Doing a reality show that chronicled the upcoming release. Including all the hype for the Thriller 25 re-release, offer insight into the twists and turns the media places on his plans, still more light could be shed on legal proceedings that proved to create speed bumps for the project, a look at how his team works on all the drama that follows Michael Jackson ect. The point would be, to see him and his team overcome all of it and show just all that has to happen.

Living With Michael Jackson done the right way. Everyone would expect it to be another fiasco but if MJ had hold of the reins, it could work for him this time.
 
nationtonation said:
I dont get it...way dose mj fans like to make MJ as a victim?....he is not!...there are many other celebs taht get more **** from the press than mj dose. He shold actually be glad. maybe there was a period back in 1993 when he whas on every front page. but right now I think the press dosent acctually care what he is doing. and even in the traial period many big newspaper did actually give him respect.

May be thriller and mj did have a big impact on the music industry. but the normal people look at beatles, elvis as way bigger than mj. I dont know way but it is just like that
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You're so right! Every other star has been accused of simple everyday things like--being a PEDOPHILE and a RACE TRAITOR (for their changing physical appearance)!

Oh come on. If I can name two "pop stars" or otherwise "celebrities" who have had THE biggest BEAT DOWNS from the media it would have to be Michael and Britney (as of late).

Every celebrity gets talked about and bashed eventually in SOME way--but none are so pulverized and beaten into the ground like the two I just mentioned above.

And if you don't think the press actually "care what he's doing"--check out the news section on this forum.

SO MANY articles on Mike as of late--and most of them have some snide remark about Michael--they can NEVER be unbiased and/or objective.
 
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Hoofmark said:
I think he should decide if he wants to start again as an artist, or stay a personality, which he has been for years and years now. He says 'he's done it all', and that he has nothing left to prove.

If that's the case, throw in the towel, and don't say 'there's more to come from Michael Jackson', or things like, 'shock the world' and 'you ain't seen nothing yet'. It promises something, and when time and time again nothing comes from it, it's one big dissappointment.

So basicly that's it I think. He has to decide what he wants. Not promising stuff and not delivering. And making his mind up about his future. If that is that he only wants to be a father, so be it. I have beautiful music and dvd's to remember what it was like.

If it is making a new cd... better make it a good one, and do a tour. Because if he wants to be remembered as an artist, he'd better take some action. Because now the majority of the public sees him as odd at best, a freak at worst. (don't shoot the messenger)
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All of these quotes from Michael above--I don't believe he is lying or would miselead his fans. Honestly--has he ever?

Roxanne said:
if michael has such fans what does he needs the enemies for ?
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lol so true...
 
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Roxanne said:
if michael has such fans what does he needs the enemies for ?
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Is it not possible for a fan to respect his enormous talent but also be critical from time to time?

Please don't lump people who extort him for money, call him ridiculous names and deny his legacy in with fans who just offer a little constructive criticism from time to time.
 
Superstition said:
Is it not possible for a fan to respect his enormous talent but also be critical from time to time?

Please don't lump people who extort him for money, call him ridiculous names and deny his legacy in with fans who just offer a little constructive criticism from time to time.
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You've pretty much nailed what i've been trying to say for the last 5 or so years on MJ fan boards. Time and time again as soon as someone posts something a bit negative or offers a bit of constructive criticism they get bombarded by fans telling them the struggles of MJ in the last 10 years like they didn't know.

I think Hoofmark said it perfectly on the first page of this thread; Michael should decide whether or not he's going to stay a personality or become a performer again. This isn't disrespecting any of his past efforts or demanding anything great from him (im directing this towards Datsymay) but like Hoofmark said, you promise certain things such as "You ain't seen nothin' yet" and then deliver nothing following that for years... you leave yourself open for criticism whether or not he single handedly changed music 25 years ago or not.

I understand where you're coming from Datsymay, and I fully agree with most of what you say however it would be a nice thing for his fans (who I might add are the most patient and hard fans out there) if he came out and said, i'm no longer going to tour or release new material or he said an album is in the works (in his own words). I don't think it's asking too much, and I know it's not going to happen... I'm just stating that I think it would be nice of him to do so.
 
well i think mj should split his next album in 2 - 3 parts

2008 - 2009 new album 13 new songs.
release 4 singles july 2008 oct 2008 jan 2009 mar 2009
do one amazing music video then have maybe the next three singles and a big story which can be told through the next three video's (mj was seen in book shop with dragon book maybe that could be the thing for first video)

tour could start in 2009 summer

2009 - 2010 2nd part new album 13 new songs. (If he keeps this to himself fans and world will be suprised like when blood on the dance floor came out number one in uk)
release 5 singles june 2009 sept 2009 dec 2009 feb 2009 may 2009

2010 - ? triple cd/dvd release parts 1 and 2 plus new disc feat 4 new songs a few live tracks from tour and remixes / video's and select tour high lights new songs only
1 - 2 singles august 2010 nov 2010

then maybe itunes online exclusive tracks in between
 
mj already did say he was working on new material in 2006 on access hollywood with will.i.am you don't think he's been working on thriller 25 for 2 years do u
 
nationtonation said:
I dont get it...way dose mj fans like to make MJ as a victim?....he is not!...there are many other celebs taht get more **** from the press than mj dose. He shold actually be glad. maybe there was a period back in 1993 when he whas on every front page. but right now I think the press dosent acctually care what he is doing. and even in the traial period many big newspaper did actually give him respect.

May be thriller and mj did have a big impact on the music industry. but the normal people look at beatles, elvis as way bigger than mj. I dont know way but it is just like that
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Come on! What rock have you been living under during the last 15 years?
The only celeb who's been trashed by the media has been Britney, and she's only had one year of it, try 15 and tell me how you feel.

If it was up to the media Michael would have been burried as a W***o J***o long time ago, but it's been up to the fans to keep reminding people every day who Michael really is; we are not trying to 'baby' him.

It's still amazing to me that fans can't just focus on the great music he's given us and HOPE we get to hear more, if not then just appreciate we've been able to prescence his talent.
How can we blame him for taking things slow?
 
WilliamJean said:
You've pretty much nailed what i've been trying to say for the last 5 or so years on MJ fan boards. Time and time again as soon as someone posts something a bit negative or offers a bit of constructive criticism they get bombarded by fans telling them the struggles of MJ in the last 10 years like they didn't know.

I think Hoofmark said it perfectly on the first page of this thread; Michael should decide whether or not he's going to stay a personality or become a performer again. This isn't disrespecting any of his past efforts or demanding anything great from him (im directing this towards Datsymay) but like Hoofmark said, you promise certain things such as "You ain't seen nothin' yet" and then deliver nothing following that for years... you leave yourself open for criticism whether or not he single handedly changed music 25 years ago or not.

I understand where you're coming from Datsymay, and I fully agree with most of what you say however it would be a nice thing for his fans (who I might add are the most patient and hard fans out there) if he came out and said, i'm no longer going to tour or release new material or he said an album is in the works (in his own words). I don't think it's asking too much, and I know it's not going to happen... I'm just stating that I think it would be nice of him to do so.
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The way I see it.
Michael Jackson is not a politician, running for re-election. He is not the head of state. He is not the pope or the leader of the church of England.
He is a s pop star.
I will never understand why fans would want to hang on to every word a pop star says as if it is gospel or their life depends on it. Pop stars usually have bad reputation for drugs, sex and achohol. They have extra maritial relationships and many divorces. They talk crap most of the time.
Why is Michael Jackson's words being analysed and treated like some holy water, why is he not allowed to sin like the average pop star. Why is he being held up to this ridiculous standard that we outselves could never achieve? Why is Micheal being judged because he says he will deliver and he doesn't? Shouldn't it be the thought that counts?
 
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