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Police raid Murray's Vegas house and office!

L.J said:
4-5 min = Brain dead

what do they mean "worked on him" ? does this mean that he was defiblirated? (I damn hope so) why wasn't he worked on in the bus on the way to the hospital?

(More than likely he was already gone well before the call was made. :no:
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They just did an 11pm report and they said there are things the EMT can do/use to try and revive a person during what is called the "golden hour". They injected him with various things to try and restart his heart and/or get him breathing. I wonder if some of those fresh needle marks in his neck came from any of this? And I wonder what they shot him up with? Hopefully, the coroner will take that into account before "possibly" releasing a laundry list of drugs found in MJ's body.
 
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AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
Exactly.

And I hear the media talking about all these others doctors involved, but I don't see the cops raiding anyone but Murray. I think that Murray was desperate for money and doped Michael up to rob him and then when he tried to bring him back up it was too late. I don't usually listen to stuff LaToya says, but she may be onto something with her suitcase full of money story. If that doctor knew that money was there, he may have gotten desperate. Remember, he was in serious debt.
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They have been to Arnold Klein's office too. There is more than one doctor involved because Murray did not introduce him to Diprivan. He had been taking it for a while as early as the HIStory tour.
 
At this point it may not matter what the tox report says if diprivan is the reason why Mike stopped breathing. Add that to Murray's actions which showed consciousness of guilt:
(1) waiting half an hour to call 911; (possibly longer)
(2) not performing CPR correctly;
(3) having somebody remove files from a storage unit on the day of his death
(4) telling the paramedics not to transport Mike's body to the hospital immediately and instead telling the EMTs to work on Mike in the house
 
It maybe MURRAY could be suicidal by now. Hell he broke the oath to do no harm to others, what's to think he will now try to harm himself... just thinking ...why??
 
Firstly, I am SO sick of Geofrey Toobin (or Jeffrey, however the hell you spell it) he's really pushing this manslaughter shit when I think it's more. He keeps saying it wasn't reckless, wtf YES it was. And again, how the hell do you PANIC when you're a friggin doctor, what kind of cowardly shifty ass doc is he, doctors are trained to act in the moment, panicking is not an option! Murray took his damned time trying to clean up wtf he'd done. Calling TX 2.5 hrs before you call the ambulance leads me to think that Michael was in distress at that time and Murray was not trying to save him. I just don't know, and now I'm getting pissed with Toobin saying "it's not against the law" sure, maybe not, but it is reckless endangerment of a human life and the fact that he was even allowed to keep practicing in Las Vegas all this time is a damned shame, his ass should not have been even looking at another patient. To think, I'd calmed down, now I'm pissed again *woosah*
 
*~MJ Loves MJ~* said:
So, it's said that they actually turned the heat up in his room? To keep the body warm...oh jesus....he was already deceased then. So yeah, they had to have been lying when they mentioned a 'slight pulse.' my god, it's making more sense now sadly. How stupid though...I mean....turning up the heat like ..
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No, no. "They" didn't say that. That was just my speculation becuz it was reported today that MJ's room was very warm when paramedics arrived. MJ had complained of being cold all the time, like HeartbreakHotelMJJ said, so his room was extra warm. I just wondered if that extra warmth could interfere with his body temperature in relation to determining time of death.
 
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whisper said:
CNN said it was Murray who told the paramedics not to transport Mike to the hospital immediately;
Kaye (correspondent) said Murray took control of the scene;

son of a bi+tch....
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yep hes a murder in my eyes. He did this on purpose i reckon and properlys had all this planned.

The other reason why he didnt want mike to go to the hospital...was cuz he knew the docs there would have checked michael body and would find the drug that caused his heart attack. And murray knew if that would indeed of happened , hes ass would be in BIG TROUBLE ASAP!!
 
For Wendy: It's possible. Temperature of the body is used in determining time of death.
 
*~MJ Loves MJ~* said:
So, it's said that they actually turned the heat up in his room? To keep the body warm...oh jesus....he was already deceased then. So yeah, they had to have been lying when they mentioned a 'slight pulse.' my god, it's making more sense now sadly. How stupid though...I mean....turning up the heat like ..
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wait what? where did that news come from? they turned the heat up? Lord, my spirit cannot take this tonight :cry:
 
wendy2004 said:
No, no. "They" didn't say that. That was just my speculation becuz it was reported today that MJ's room was very warm when paramedics arrived. MJ had complained of being cold all the time, like HeartbreakHotelMJJ said, so his room was extra warm. I just wondered if that extra warmth could interfere with his body temperature in relation to determining time of death.
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ok...I just got to your post...Jesus, I still can't take the thought
 
The Devil was busy working the day MJ died, meaning Dr. Murray was doing some evil shit, such as giving MJ that medicine then trying to cover his ass. I know his wife his beating his ass tonight, because of his actions the DEA has been all up in their house and now she has to walk around town embarrassed over something her husband shouldn't have ever done in the first place. I am assuming he is married and may have some kids..
 
mjalwaysonmymind said:
Hey ET, I am willing to bet Michael would have been safer with the vet doctor, coz this clown is clearly incompetent. Regarding the anesth, I kinda thought they are paid much more than a surgeon, just from my own personal health issues I thought that.

I was about to have surgery and the anseth doctor called me to go through exactly what he would be doing in my case while he worked with the my surgeon. I remember I had to pay up front and it was huge.. The field of medicine is not to be taken lightly, (MURRAY)!!!! idiot. But, yes bot. Thanks ET Oh, makes me wonder if MURRAY did a scrub down between/ and or before all the is chaos, I guess not...:(
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Anesthetists are the ones who actually give the anesthesia in surgery. The doctors (anesthesiologists) have to be in the room though. Listening to my friend that requirement is more of a job security thing for anesthesiologists than a real need. The AMA takes care of their own. You wouldn't want the anesthesiologist to actually be the one administering because they don't do it often enough to be as good as the anesthetists. They wouldn't think quick automatically enough in an emergency. Now take the fact that Michael had neither but rather a heart specialist. That alone is asking for trouble.

As to what anesthetists are paid, my friend is salaried and I think it is about $200K/yr but then they have to pay all of their various insurance etc. out of that. I have no idea what the anesthesiologists get.

I listen to my freind and when she talks about her work and I think I would not be able to handle the stress of case after case every day having someones life in my hands that one mistake could mean they don't live. She only lost one person in over 30 years though and she said going in for that one she tried to get the doctor to not do the surgery. She felt the risk was too great and she was right.

So we are off topic a bit but I think it is informative also as to the difference between doing anesthesia in a hospital and what happened with Michael. Proponol is safe but under the appropriate controlled conditions as to who, how, and where together with an assessment of the person who is getting it.
 
If this man gave Diprivan aka Propofol to Michael, then he's on trouble, thats a dangerous anesthesia, that is not for personal use, thats for hospitals only, its really powerful, but i admit, this Murray must have some kind of way out, some say he is calm, he must have found a way to get out, wether it was or was not intentional, it was negligence ( and shows he is not that much of a good person), all the actions he did were wrong, waiting 30 minutes to call 911 is murder cause he could have called earlier if he wasnt capable of doing the CPR correctly, he should have called real qualified doctors to save Micahel, so why he wait so long (to hide things of course), his excuses as for why he didnt call before and for why he did cpr on a bed are dumb and have no substance, and they say it was 30 minutes but im afraid it was way much time WASTED, Michael would be alive if he would have called 911 at first minute, and that is a fact, Michael shouldnt be dead, Murray was there to protect Michael, not to kill him, he was paid for it, Michael Jackson SHOULD NOT BE DEAD
 
whisper said:
At this point it may not matter what the tox report says if diprivan is the reason why Mike stopped breathing. Add that to Murray's actions which showed consciousness of guilt:
(1) waiting half an hour to call 911; (possibly longer)
(2) not performing CPR correctly;
(3) having somebody remove files from a storage unit on the day of his death
(4) telling the paramedics not to transport Mike's body to the hospital immediately and instead telling the EMTs to work on Mike in the house
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It just boggles the mind. :no:

Wasting half an hour at the house before calling 911, then wasting another 42 minutes at the house ordering the EMTs around, when they could have been at the hospital in 6 minutes. It's as if the guy knew he'd done something wrong and just had to be the hero who brought him back so it would all go away.
 
The autopsy report shows exactly how long Michael was dead and I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't jive with what Murray is saying about Michael still having a pulse when he found him. Murray didn't want to pronounce Michael dead at the house because he didn't want him to be dead on his watch. That is why he let them take him in the ambulance.

Murray was covering for himself.

And Dick Gregory says that Michale told him somebody was trying to kill him to get that catalogue from him. Read it on Greta Van Susterin and Nancy Grace. What Gregory was saying was very scary. But he also said that Michael was very dehydrated. He needed fluids.
 
Serenity3104 said:
Thanks :huggy: I mean the more that comes out the more horrible it gets :(
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Your welcome. Yeh i know each day that goes by, it seems to be getting worse & worse. Its like a dreaming nightmare...but unfortnately its a living nightmare..that just wont go away.
 
I want him arrested. I'll be so glad to here breaking news: conrad murry arrest for michael jacksons death!

It only took 3 doggone minutes to get to michael and this fool blew it. Then told ems to stay there. Also there is a doctor at ucla that brought back someone to life after they had been gone for 2 1/2 hours. But he wasn't one of the doctors that worked on michael when mike got to ucla. BUt michael woulda been a vegetable because of murry yet again. I strongly believe michael was murdered.
 
actually it' snot the temp of body, it's liver temp. but since they were working on him, keeping him moving so to speak, it could b hard to gauge
 
it,s just said on sky news something about police seizing dr murrays hard drive and documents from his house,i didn,t quite catch it all,i will keep you posted,

o.k it,s just said they have seized cell phones,computer hard drives and documents from dr murrays house,and the dr was at home,
 
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whisper said:
At this point it may not matter what the tox report says if diprivan is the reason why Mike stopped breathing. Add that to Murray's actions which showed consciousness of guilt:
(1) waiting half an hour to call 911; (possibly longer)
(2) not performing CPR correctly;
(3) having somebody remove files from a storage unit on the day of his death
(4) telling the paramedics not to transport Mike's body to the hospital immediately and instead telling the EMTs to work on Mike in the house
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This is indeed fishy to say the least.

And you can add to that that we have yet to get the tox report! You can't tell me it takes over a month to sort that out. I'm just not buying that. This timeline very much suggests the tox report is there, but hasn't been made public because it contains incriminating information. And the plot thickens, ugh.
 
So how long is this Diprivan stuff supposed to have been going on? Was it really every night? Or does nobody know?
Sounds like Michael was put under a lot...that alone with all the right equipment etc is risky as isn't it? Does anyone know for certain?
 
no one knows. he supposedly used it during history tour according to court info. murray only started working for mj recently
 
it couldn't be used every night-it's kind of painfull and you would end up with a lot of marks on your arms/legs...probably it was used when things get really hard and Michael really needed his sleep!any sleep induced with such a powerfull drug is risky!but it seams nobody was able to explain this to Michael and really treat his sleeping disorder...
 
StaceyMJ said:
So how long is this Diprivan stuff supposed to have been going on? Was it really every night? Or does nobody know?
Sounds like Michael was put under a lot...that alone with all the right equipment etc is risky as isn't it? Does anyone know for certain?
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according to cherilynn lee (his nurse & nutritionist), who worked with him from january to april of this year, he was clean and healthy.
 
Experience the magic said:
This is indeed fishy to say the least.

And you can add to that that we have yet to get the tox report! You can't tell me it takes over a month to sort that out. I'm just not buying that. This timeline very much suggests the tox report is there, but hasn't been made public because it contains incriminating information. And the plot thickens, ugh.
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:yes: The tox report was completed weeks and weeks ago... there's gotta be a very good reason why they're not releasing it as one member has already pointed out for us:


cytotech said:
I'm new here and haven't posted much but find great comfort in reading all of the things that you all have to say.

I just wanted you to know that as far as the pathology is concerned they have had all of the results for weeks now. I work in pathology and nothing that we do during an autopsy or after no the tissue and blood work take this long, even when it a criminal investagation. In fact the fact that this was Michael Jackson all of those reports and test were expedited for the results. They are holding on to these results for a very good reason and I think that you are just seeing the beginning of way now with Dr. Murray.
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I think you are right-the tox report should have been ready for a lot of time!
 
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