Atheist thread

[xthunderx2]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

i am sorry i ment to say evolution...silly me

 

[roiklow]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I do think evolution explains most of the questions of our existance on earth. But also of the animals. You can't even imagine how much the animals teach us!! I know a lot of people who work very hard on evolution biology and it's amazing how much it explains everything! And everyday humanity is discovering new and amazing things! Its really very exciting and I can tell you I'm not a science-oriented person at all i always studied the arts and I'm in ActorsSchool here in spain. I have nothing to do with the scientific world but then again I really apreciate their work for it answers most of the big questions of humanity the big ones and the small ones too by the way.

No problem, it's really cool to be able to chat at this level of comprehension. Thank you!

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I do think evolution explains most of the questions of our existance on earth. But also of the animals. You can't even imagine how much the animals teach us!! I know a lot of people who work very hard on evolution biology and it's amazing how much it explains everything! And everyday humanity is discovering new and amazing things! Its really very exciting and I can tell you I'm not a science-oriented person at all i always studied the arts and I'm in ActorsSchool here in spain. I have nothing to do with the scientific world but then again I really apreciate their work for it answers most of the big questions of humanity the big ones and the small ones too by the way.

No problem, it's really cool to be able to chat at this level of comprehension. Thank you!

yes it was nice chatting with you ...thank you for sharing your views with me.....what I enjoyed about chatting with you was that you were very patient about explaining your belief to me....I am a christian myself and i believe in standing up for Jesus....I dont however shove my beliefs down other peoples throats.....i think that is what makes us all individuals....i thank you again......you were very polite to me.

 

[xthunderx2]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I do think evolution explains most of the questions of our existance on earth. But also of the animals. You can't even imagine how much the animals teach us!! I know a lot of people who work very hard on evolution biology and it's amazing how much it explains everything! And everyday humanity is discovering new and amazing things! Its really very exciting and I can tell you I'm not a science-oriented person at all i always studied the arts and I'm in ActorsSchool here in spain. I have nothing to do with the scientific world but then again I really apreciate their work for it answers most of the big questions of humanity the big ones and the small ones too by the way.

No problem, it's really cool to be able to chat at this level of comprehension. Thank you!

also I wish you good luck in actors school..

 

[Rockin.]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

You're answering nicely so I'm curious, do you believe the theory of evolution is completely incompatible with Christianity? They don't have to be in conflict necessarily.

That is the current position of the Catholic church anyway..The church is not completely ignorant to science.

The theory of evolution doesn't answer everything though. So here is my question - I want to ask a question but have to use a quote as it is very difficult to ask any other way - about evolution -

The process itself is rational despite the mistakes and confusion .. choosing a few positive mutations and using low probability....This....inevitably leads to a question that goes beyond science....where did this rationality come from?"

According to the theory of evolution what guides evolution?

I am a big science person.. I studied biology in college and nearly studied medicine or genetics until I decided I wanted to study the brain instead with a scientific psychology degree..[loved the neuroscience module ]. I don't see the need for conflict . (I'll see what they think in the JC thread, Im not trying to convert anyone, lol.. just interested)

 

[StarSecret]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

Simple minds.

A Christian won't listen to logic and reason because their belief has nothing to do with reason OR logic. It is what feels right that counts for them. But they make one mistake. They engage in a scientific discussion and use science to prove their position. When you do that you will get reponses that deal with your arguments. If you can not deal with the fact that some people are more educated then you and have the ability to analyze your arguments, debunk them and correct them then you should not state your beliefs as logical or fact. This very important point is always ignored by apologetics like your self, who think you are mediating peace between people.

An atheist will not listen to a Christian because of their lack of evidence and lack of understanding about not only science, but language itself. They make words into what they want them to be and the call things evidence when they are not.

"I believe what I believe because I believe it and no evidence in the world can ever change my position, I am now gonna put a finger in both my ears and yell la la la la la, I can not hear you, la la la la la"

Childish behavior.

I said "Bolded part is not entirely true. I do infact listen to both sides because that is respectful and I have respect for people's right to an opinion. I know many people who believe, flat out dont, and those who are agnostic who all enjoy discussions on this subject where we each in turn listen and learn from each other."

That is the complete opposite of what you just said. I said I DO listen, and that with my friends we have very open AND stimulating discussions in which we LEARN.

Why would you tell me I have a simple mind? Nowhere in my post did I allude to childish behaviour. In fact, the discussions that I spoke about in my post were the kinds in which BOTH believers and NON believers talk and learn. By ignoring that I am an open and liberal believer you have proved yourself to be just as blind as fundamentalists.

I have tried to engage in this thread with my own experiences of open-minded conversations between my friends and I but I am being ignored and lectured on things I didn't even say.

If you continue to make generalisations about Christians and Atheists even when you have a VERY OPEN and intelligent one WILLING to listen to you (ie ME) then you will never find many people willing to take your arguments seriously... which I was, until you attacked my intelligence, again.

I leave this thread, STILL an open minded person. I will continue to have these discussions with my agnostic and atheist friends in real life who respect my intelligence as I respect theirs.

Thanks for being understanding Butterflies, I did enjoy talking to you.

 

[TheBob]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I said "Bolded part is not entirely true. I do infact listen to both sides because that is respectful and I have respect for people's right to an opinion. I know many people who believe, flat out dont, and those who are agnostic who all enjoy discussions on this subject where we each in turn listen and learn from each other."

That is the complete opposite of what you just said. I said I DO listen, and that with my friends we have very open AND stimulating discussions in which we LEARN.

Why would you tell me I have a simple mind? Nowhere in my post did I allude to childish behaviour. In fact, the discussions that I spoke about in my post were the kinds in which BOTH believers and NON believers talk and learn. By ignoring that I am an open and liberal believer you have proved yourself to be just as blind as fundamentalists.

I have tried to engage in this thread with my own experiences of open-minded conversations between my friends and I but I am being ignored and lectured on things I didn't even say.

If you continue to make generalisations about Christians and Atheists even when you have a VERY OPEN and intelligent one WILLING to listen to you (ie ME) then you will never find many people willing to take your arguments seriously... which I was, until you attacked my intelligence, again.

I leave this thread, STILL an open minded person. I will continue to have these discussions with my agnostic and atheist friends in real life who respect my intelligence as I respect theirs.

Thanks for being understanding Butterflies, I did enjoy talking to you.

Yes you might listen. But you did not participate in the discussion and I was not adressing you.

 

[TheBob]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

You're answering nicely so I'm curious, do you believe the theory of evolution is completely incompatible with Christianity? They don't have to be in conflict necessarily.

That is the current position of the Catholic church anyway..The church is not completely ignorant to science.

The theory of evolution doesn't answer everything though. So here is my question - I want to ask a question but have to use a quote as it is very difficult to ask any other way - about evolution - According to the theory of evolution what guides evolution?

I am a big science person.. I studied biology in college and nearly studied medicine or genetics until I decided I wanted to study the brain instead with a scientific psychology degree..[loved the neuroscience module ]. I don't see the need for conflict . (I'll see what they think in the JC thread, Im not trying to convert anyone, lol.. just interested)

Evolution is guided by natural selection. Evolution doesn't answer all questions because it is not supposed to. It is a field of science that deals with one thing. How life evolved and how it survives. Evolution does not address the origin of the Universe or how life came from none life. We have other fields of science that deals with those issues.

 

[TheBob]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

Good, first we are going to take the word MIRACLE and see what it really means. A Miracle it's something very unlikely to happen that actually happens. It's highly associated to religion because of the miracles Jesus did but in many other religions you can't even imagin the number of miracles there are out there! But we can also call the fact that someone awakens from coma a Miracle. Because it's somthing that isn't likely to happen that happens. Then you from emotions impulsion you can say oh thank god for that! and it's easy to think that something powerful above us is responsible for that. But there is a human explanation to that too. That person had 99.9% of chances of not waking up, and he had the "luck" to be in that 0.01% category. Now that "luck" responds to STATISTIC it means based on what already happened before and what has been experimented before.

I hope you understand because i'm very cahotic writing in english lol. So I do think that there is cientific fact behind true miracles

In religion a miracle is magic. Like if I snap my fingers and it starts to rain frogs.

People seem to try to distance themself from religion, I guess because religion has proven to be an evil organization that has one role, and that is to control people with fear.

But people tend to forget that their own beliefs about god exist because religion exist. The information about god and the Bible wouldn't be around for anyone to discover if religion did not exist.

I really don't care one way or the other. I care about one thing. Why don't people question their belief? What makes a person say he knows god exist when he or she can not prove it?

Atheists never claim to know that god does not exist. No one can claim to know anything 100% about anything. I don't know 100% that I am typing this right now- I just have a very good reason to think I am, as I have a very good reason to think that a god does not exist. It might even be viewed as a matter of opinion, but the truth of the matter is that it boils down to evidence. And at the end of the day and in all things one can only prove existence, not none-existence. This is why no one can ever ask me to prove there is no god, because I don't have to. I am not the one making a claim. I am rejecting a claim.

This is how the scientific method works and it is applied in all things in life.

I will give you guys one example so maybe it is easier to understand. Our courts are run by a set of rules and these set of rules are guided by the scientific method. Yes, I know proving god and courts has nothing to do with each other but that is not the point. The point is that they both deal with claims of existence or to be more precixe, claims of ocurrence. As you all might know, a person is innocent until proven guilty. Why is that? Well it boils down to what we call body of evidence. If I claim you have done something, I should have some information about you that makes my opinion about what you have done to be true, right? Correct. The scientific method works on a set of logic that we can apply to everything in our life. If someone makes a claim, that person should have information, or as they call it in court documentation that proves your claim. However, if I should fail to present you with that evidence, how am I supposed to convince you that I am right?

The answer is I can not, and I would be arrogant to think otherwise. That is why you are always innocent until proven otherwise. The same goes for claiming that something exist. To know that something exist you have to have information that proves that something exist. This is however how religion and faith is treated differently from everything else.

If I claim you killed my dog and I can not prove it, nobody will listen to me, and someone as outspoken as me might say I am full of it. They would be right and they should be commended for calling me out. But if I claim that the Universe was created by god, then all of a sudden I am protected and no one can argue against me, because it is a belief. Well me saying you killed my dog is also a belief. The similarities between those two beliefs is that I can't prove either one. Why is it then that my belief in the supernatural is any way more in deserve of respect then my claiming you killed my dog? Is it becasue it is a dog versus god? You killing my dog versus me believing in god? In logical terms there is no difference. They are both beliefs not supported by evidence, until I can provide that evidence.

This is what it means to take responsibility for you actions, your opinions and how you go about talking about things and how you spread information.

Religion gives people the right to spread lies, intolerance and to censor people.

Religiona nd faith are treated as a virtue and can't be touched. And this is how we will lose in the end. Dogma and fear will again control our society if we allow faith to be a virtue.

I fear the day when our liberties and freedom is taken away from us, because apologetics allow none sense to be untouched and nto spoken about, and let fundamentalists manipulate and indoctrinate our children, calling upon the dark ages yet again.

This might sound dramatic, but it is happening right now. You might think I generalize Christians, but I don't. People are different, people change. Religion doesn't change, dogma doesn't change. And as long as it is treated as a virtue, we will always have this threat against our freedom.

 

[TheBob]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

ok sorry.....atheist believe in luck and not in God or Jesus...is this correct?....you believe that everything that happens is because of a scientific reason?.....my question was isnt it better to believe in something that is 99.9% guaranteed that ..1% of something because it is science??....i would think the 99,9 % would be more comforting....I hope this helps you understand better....thank you for answering.

Atheists believe in the laws of physics and something called cause and effect. It is anice little law that applies to our Universe as how it is now. For something to happen, something else must happen first. Like if I want to throw a ball in the air I have to use my arm. And for me to use my arm I have to have energy so that I can use my muscles. And of rme to have all those things every human before must have had those things so that I can have it to. And here is where evolution comes in for us. In the Universe in general, events and what happens is guided by energy. Our sun heats our planet wich is the source wich gave life a posibility to arise and grow. Here is where one usually ask the question, where did all this come from. And here is where science leads the way. Everything that has happend leaves a trace, a clue for us to follow. Science is the tool to find those cluse and understand how they interact, causing events to happen. It basically explains to us what time and motion is. But what is important to know is that science has shown us that the rule of cause and effect only applies to the Universe inthe state it is now. This is why the notion that something must have happened before the Universe doesn't work.

And here is where it gets so compicated I have to wright 40 pages to explain myself.

But the field of science wich deals with this problem is called Quantum physics.

If you are interested, you should read about it. I noticed in the old atheist thread that KOS wrote something about it. Believe me it is the collest field of science ther eis, it will baffle your minds and send you off to a world of thought you have never seen before.

Science is like a door to a new world. Embrace it, understand it.

Believe me when I say that there are scientists who understand the principles of science and still believe in God. They just make sure of one thing. Never to claim they know god exist, because they know the value and power of evidence. So yes faith and science can co-exist, as long as they do not interfer with each other. A scientists can not have faith in his or her work. One must always ahev doubt and one must always have evidence.

This is how science works and it does so to prevent mistakes.

 

[TheBob]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

This is not about differing beliefs now.

You have just proven how rude you are. You sound like a vile person.

You never answered with logic and reason in a polite way. Your posts are littered with insults to but people down and make yourself feel in a higher position.

You act like you know everything when you actually don't.

''If you can not deal with the fact that some people are more educated then you'' Oh my gosh. How dare you?! How up yourself you are. You don't even know us. And from your posts its quite obvious you don't know about religion... and you think you are 'more educated'. Practically nothing you say regarding religion, that your are basing your resentment on is even true about religion.

You are talking absolute RUBBISH - ''Take responsibility for your lives and stop making excuses. Your actions and opinions have consequences for everyone. Time to wake up and smell the coffee. I did that years ago and I am now pissed off at how people let themselves be so gullible and naive.'' ?! haha How does religion contradict that?!?

You have a very skewed version of religion in your head. REALLY. It bares no resemblance to what I or other Christians and Catholics think, believe or live our lives.

Religion is not evil, it is about love. People may commit horrible acts in the name of religion, they are WRONG, that is the person not the religion.

I'm not in the US and I don't know what the Christians there are like, but I've never heard anyone say such a stupid thing.

Its nothing about 'lalala i dont want to hear you' LEAVE PEOPLE TO BELIEVE WHAT THEY WANT. STOP BEING SO ARROGANT.

I'm sure atheists wouldn't want to be represented by you. You don't give a very good impression of atheists.

You can't state your beliefs without insulting and disrespecting others.

You have no respect for other people. I'm baffled how you are a Michael Jackson fan because you are the total polar opposite.

It is NOT beliefs or religion which has caused this argument it is YOUR ATTITUDE.

Merry Christmas

I don't know everything, but I know more then you. The one who claim to know but can not prove it is the one who is arrogant. The one who calim to know and can prove it is the one who is teh hero and the one who will be followed. Yes I am rude.

I don't respect religion, and I don't respect faith. I don't respect ignorance and I don't respect apologetics. If you don't know something then you are only human. But if you use that ignorance and claim truth, then you are arrogant and dangerous. I will never claim to know something I don't and I admitted ignorance several times when asked a question I could not answer. So damn you for accusing me for beliviing I know everything.

When it comes to science I am damn well educated and can address any subject that deals with science.

And no my attitude does not cause arguments. This is an atheist thread. Atheists thrive on arguments. I can tell you exactly what is happening. People can't stand the fact that someone has the balls to call their belief BS.

It is freedom of speech and I am using it. Everybody is entitled to an opinion and no one is correct until they can prove it. It is as simple as that. And I have an opinion about someone elses opinion, and my opinion is that their opinion is false and that their reason for having their opinion is unjust. I just asked them to do what I did, admit when you don't know.

That didn't happen, and guess why. They can't, because they think something bad is going to happen to them. I amight not convince them that they have been fooled, but I can shake their "souls" up so that they might start to actually and finally question and analyze their belief. So yes, in that instant I will be rude as you call it.

Don't worry, they'll thank me later

And no religion is not about love, please give me a break. I bet two cents you haven't even read the Bible and know jack about history. Religion is pure evil.

 

[roiklow]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

TheBob you are now acting like a victim of religion who therefore hates it... You are not doing any favor in divulgating atheism.
And, about the God thing God doesn't exist because of religion. God actually can be a lot of things. Every human being is entitled to have its own inner misticism and its own god. I never call it God but I myself have a complex innerworld wich is guided by a subconscience of mine wich if i want i can call the whole thing God and that's it. We have to separate organized religion and belief and belief itself. It has NOTHING to do. It's like the capitalism thread. Capitalism is'nt bad or good. Neither is believing in stuff, god or whatever. It's the USE of capitalism, or the USE of belief or mass belief which is aweful and YES VERY VERY DANGEROUS as you pointed out earlier.

 

[Naytobes]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I don't believe in any religion, I believe many religions in this world are the reason for all the problems in this world.

I don't mind if someone believes in God or whatever, but it's not for me.

And I find some of those hard-core Catholics just scary (the ones who think homosexuals should be burnt in hell etc etc)

Each to their own, just my opinion.

 

[roiklow]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I Totally agree with you!

 

[Rockin.]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

for the record im not a hard-core catholic. i haven't been to church for a few years. i don't believe homosexuals should burn. i have good friends that are gay. i also don't agree with the stance on contraception. i don't know any 'hard-core' catholics.

and no i haven't read the entire bible, i don't think its necessary. the bible isn't everything.

 

[daphnieas]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

TheBob you are now acting like a victim of religion who therefore hates it... You are not doing any favor in divulgating atheism.
And, about the God thing God doesn't exist because of religion. God actually can be a lot of things. Every human being is entitled to have its own inner misticism and its own god. I never call it God but I myself have a complex innerworld wich is guided by a subconscience of mine wich if i want i can call the whole thing God and that's it. We have to separate organized religion and belief and belief itself. It has NOTHING to do. It's like the capitalism thread. Capitalism is'nt bad or good. Neither is believing in stuff, god or whatever. It's the USE of capitalism, or the USE of belief or mass belief which is aweful and YES VERY VERY DANGEROUS as you pointed out earlier.

Best post I've read in this entire thread... and I'm catholic...if more people learned to be objective like this, it would save ourselves a heap of trouble.

 

[xo_lola_xo]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I enjoy reading this thread because it's very interesting and deep but I can't be bothered to post my beliefs because we'll just go in circles and I know what people will say. I just want to say that I believe in God and the after life and I'm very spiritual. Science just doesn't do it for me, It's not deep enough. It doesn't explain the magic, love and beauty in life. I do not believe completely and totally in one religion as I've seen good and bad in many religions. However...

This is just a believers bashing thread, isn't it?

 

[Thriller_MJ]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

for the record im not a hard-core catholic. i haven't been to church for a few years. i don't believe homosexuals should burn. i have good friends that are gay. i also don't agree with the stance on contraception. i don't know any 'hard-core' catholics.

and no i haven't read the entire bible, i don't think its necessary. the bible isn't everything.

This is what winds me up about religion Gay People getting treated differently and for what? there still people at the end of the day and in there Christians minds God created everything so if God hates Gay People then why would he create them and make them "His children" I know religious Gay people who get no stick from the Church they go to but it still isn't right that people use religion as an excuse to hurt Gay people.

 

[144000]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

No no you're getting it wrong. Atheist is not about "believing" in that percentage of luck. It's just that that percentage of luck exists it's there and noone can say the contrary. It's like my avatar here on the left. It's red right? noone can say no it's green it's not arguable. That's what atheism is about. It doesn't mean we are cold insensitive people. I am myself ultra-sensitive and i have my own inner mistiscism but i jus't cant "believe" in things like god because it's beyond my rationnality.

well, if ur avatar is seen by a dog or cat, it's black and white..if by a person with a condition, it's pink..if they're blind..there's nothing there...and some may see it as pink. sorta like the flag..some see purple, some see blue. and i swear, what i have seen as red, others have sworn it to be orange.

 

[roiklow]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

well, if ur avatar is seen by a dog or cat, it's black and white..if by a person with a condition, it's pink..if they're blind..there's nothing there...and some may see it as pink. sorta like the flag..some see purple, some see blue. and i swear, what i have seen as red, others have sworn it to be orange.

Ultra-relativism can be VERY dangerous check on Nietsche.

 

[roiklow]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

Best post I've read in this entire thread... and I'm catholic...if more people learned to be objective like this, it would save ourselves a heap of trouble.

Thanks a lot! I appreciate that!

 

[xo_lola_xo]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

As I've said, I like reading this thread but I would like it more if some Athesit members stopped looking down on believers like we are all stupid, ignorant people and like they are superior.

The arrogance just gets to me.

 

[144000]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

Ultra-relativism can be VERY dangerous check on Nietsche.

that post isn't an example of relativism of any type. for each and every one of those creatures i mentioned in that post, they would see that as very true for them.

and again, what someone may see as dangerous, someone else does not see it as dangerous. beyond that, we get into a debate about which person is the better person, because what they say holds more clout, in their mind, than what someone else says. and we know we cannot say that one person is better than the other.

 

[roiklow]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

that post isn't an example of relativism of any type. for each and every one of those creatures i mentioned in that post, they would see that as very true for them.

and again, what someone may see as dangerous, someone else does not see it as dangerous. beyond that, we get into a debate about which person is the better person, because what they say holds more clout, in their mind, than what someone else says. and we know we cannot say that one person is better than the other.

THAT is relativism.

 

[Reghead121]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

As I've said, I like reading this thread but I would like it more if some Athesit members stopped looking down on believers like we are all stupid, ignorant people and like they are superior.

The arrogance just gets to me.

Just know that not all Athiests do that. :cheeky:

Me I think everyone is just entitled to think what they want. It's very personal to each of us what views we have, no matter what they may be. I wish everyone, could respect everyone even if they don't agree with the views. You know what I mean? It would save so many fights all over the world!

This from a severely lapsed Lutheran who has chosen not to have a religion and just appreciated everyone and everything everyday instead.

 

[charismatic]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

Just checking in, because I don't know what atheism actually is..you believe nothing right? so what is the common thing binding atheism - that there is nothing? No God, no heaven.. just us on earth? EDIT :Oh and I forgot to say.. whats the difference from agnostic?



I'll just let you know, I'm not sure about 'evil'... but it is not the old testament which is important.. that is why is it called the old testament. It is the new testament which is the basis, the new testament, with Christ messages - thats why they are called Christians. There wasn't Christianity before Christ. So its not 'cherry picking'. Christianity is from Christ - its more about the new testament, not the old.



There is evidence, historical and scientific of things mentioned in the Bible and there is evidence of miracles that have happened. And the rest is belief.. thats why it is called Faith.

There's one issue here that most christians leave out. God said my Word is the same yesterday today and forever. So your statement about the old testament makes either you a liar or god, because he clearly stating that his world his neither old or new and that you treat it the same today as they did yesterday. Yall confusing me. please stop. :doh: :dancin::hysterical:

 

[Bob George]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

As I've said, I like reading this thread but I would like it more if some Athesit members stopped looking down on believers like we are all stupid, ignorant people and like they are superior.

The arrogance just gets to me.

We atheists can be arrogant and condescending. But I think everyone looks down on those who disagree with them as "stupider" to some extent. You believe what you believe because you believe it's right. So anyone who doesn't believe as you do is "wrong" according to you. Anyone who believes something that to you is so obviously wrong must be stupid. To me, God is so blatantly made up. Every story in the Bible is so shamelessly invented. So I find it hard to believe people believe all that BS. I get to the point sometimes where I conclude they must be stupid. But then you have to realise that many very intelligent people believe in a personal God. To them God is a thing of faith and they don't subject it to the same logic and reasoning they use for everything else. They wall off part of their brain to reason so that they allow themselves to believe this supreme being who gives them comfort and guides them through life. That's why I don't really have a problem with people who believe in God. If their belief helps them than I can't really object to that. I'd suggest that they don't necessarily need to invent a God to make themselves feel better. And I'd add that depending on how you view God, it's not necessarily a comforting thing. But I can't really stay angry at this imaginary God that seems to give comfort to so many people.

 

[.Butterflies.]

Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I think the rudeness works both ways which is why I don't like to participate in these kinds of conversations even though i have very strong atheist views.

I find that either an atheist will do this to a believer or a believer will do it to an atheist. You start out 'asking' a question. It's initially worded politely and as though you are going to have an open mind to the response and are genuinely curious what the other person has to say. The problem is, if you genuinely wanted to know the response, you'd stop once it was given, but this hardly ever happens... When the person answers your question, instead of just saying ok well I don't necessarily agree but thanks for sharing your opinion, there's always a BUT... but but but but *insert MY views and list reasons why the other person's response was invalid* and then the other one does the exact same thing to your views and it flairs into an argument because "no one is respecting each others beliefs".

If you want to argue... say it! Don't disguise it as a question, then start to engage in an 'exchange' of opinions and stomp and shout that you're being picked on when your opinion gets picked apart even though you've been doing the same thing. Like I said... by the end of this thread there won't be a single person converted.

Oh and roiklow. I love you too . I'd ask you to marry me, but I dunno if the church would take us

 

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Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

I wasn't going to post here anymore, so I could leave you alone but I was informed that someone referenced and replied to my post, so here I am.

There's one issue here that most christians leave out. God said my Word is the same yesterday today and forever. So your statement about the old testament makes either you a liar or god, because he clearly stating that his world his neither old or new and that you treat it the same today as they did yesterday. Yall confusing me. please stop. :doh: :dancin::hysterical:

Huh? In case you didn't know.. different Christian denominations differ in their beliefs and put more relevance on certain things. And lastly, individuals have their own minds. And it is fact that there is an old testament and a new testament.. crack open a Bible and you'd see :doh:

And whats with the smileys.. can't you post like roiklow and others without arrogance. Really, it does you no favours.

 

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Re: Athesit Thread version 2 (sorry K.O.S.).

Hello people just thought I would stop in here and say hello..I had a good chat with some the other day on people's point of view...I enjoyed the conversation....I do understand that people have their own beliefs...I wish yours was more like mine...however I dont think that means that we cannot have an intelligent conversation.