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MJ's Team Shutting out & Blockin the Family?

rainny said:
First, I read that it was Michael who had tried to call a fan

from the Staples center. Then, I read that it was Michael

who called a fan from his home. Now, is it a fan who tried

to call Michael and couldn't reach him?

It's getting confusing.
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I also thought it was Michael who tried to call funs that night, didn't he? It makes difference.
 
triniti said:
I also thought it was Michael who tried to call funs that night, didn't he? It makes difference.
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yes the way I understand it is...that Michael tried to call fans but the calls wouldn't go through......like I posted earlier..I think that someone took that phone away from Michael when he was trying to call fans.
 
^^ I hate to imagine Michael in a struggle before his last moments but it's not impossible either.

I have a question that's been bothering me for quite a bit of time but I'll ask anyway,
where were Michael's kids during this whole time interval? They could have witnessed or suspected strange things that happened that day and before.
 
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xthunderx2 said:
This was my thought too...why was this call dropped ....maybe Michael had a fight with someone in the house...that inner circle.....maybe someone TOOK the phone away from Michael so he wasn't able to call in or out......this has been driving me crazy....right after that happened a few hours later Michael died.....IDK..I wish I knew..
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That Michael was isolated comes at us from many directions. After his "I went to bed doing ten concerts, and woke up to fifty," statement, SOMEONE jerked his leash. He could no longer speak to Follower Fans. They had to line up, and they got just seconds to talk to him? There was the (earlier) statement by Tohme, that he was "restricting access" to Michael. The family has said they could not reach him. The FF were able to give him the letters, but a body-guard took them from him, and said he'd get them "later." Did he? We do not KNOW.

Then there were the phones? Security cut the FF short and said, "You can speak to him by phone." But then all calls were dropped. Murray said the phones were not working. Why NOT? Michael had children! A parent MUST have working phones in case of emergency.

The Follower Fans put letters into his hands. The letters said that they were afraid for his life. A security guard took them AWAY from him and said he'd read them later. Did he? A security guard said they could speak to him by phone. But. . they couldn't, and the calls were dropped. And then he died. I honestly don't want to be rude, but if there is any person on this forum who doesn't understand how "odd" this is, with all due respect, what is the MATTER with you?

Carry on,

Vic
 
MJJ7777 said:
^^ I hate to imagine Michael in a struggle before his last moments but it's not impossible either.

I have a question that's been bothering me for quite a bit of time but I'll ask anyway,
where were Michael's kids during this whole time interval? They could have witnessed or suspected strange things that happened that day and before.
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do you mean the time interval that Murray and whoever else was upstairs with Michael ..like all morning???.. If you mean all morning...they were supposedly downstairs.....the kids from what I have read were not allowed to go up to Michael's room....
 
xthunderx2 said:
do you mean the time interval that Murray and whoever else was upstairs with Michael ..like all morning???.. If you mean all morning...they were supposedly downstairs.....the kids from what I have read were not allowed to go up to Michael's room....
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Yeah, basically from the time Michael got home to when Murray started panicking. I know they could have been at school or eating but I'm pretty sure they could sense what's happening around them. Everything changed at a certain point in time.

On the contrary, I heard that employees and everyone else were not allowed into Michael's room that is except Murray and Michael's children. This is coming from Kai Chase.
 
Victoria83 said:
That Michael was isolated comes at us from many directions. After his "I went to bed doing ten concerts, and woke up to fifty," statement, SOMEONE jerked his leash. He could no longer speak to Follower Fans. They had to line up, and they got just seconds to talk to him? There was the (earlier) statement by Tohme, that he was "restricting access" to Michael. The family has said they could not reach him. The FF were able to give him the letters, but a body-guard took them from him, and said he'd get them "later." Did he? We do not KNOW.

Then there were the phones? Security cut the FF short and said, "You can speak to him by phone." But then all calls were dropped. Murray said the phones were not working. Why NOT? Michael had children! A parent MUST have working phones in case of emergency.

The Follower Fans put letters into his hands. The letters said that they were afraid for his life. A security guard took them AWAY from him and said he'd read them later. Did he? A security guard said they could speak to him by phone. But. . they couldn't, and the calls were dropped. And then he died. I honestly don't want to be rude, but if there is any person on this forum who doesn't understand how "odd" this is, with all due respect, what is the MATTER with you?

Carry on,

Vic
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thank you Vic....you are correct....Those security guards seem a bit fishy to me....Do we have anyway of knowing who was paying them....was it Michael...was it AEG.....Were there any new security guards that joined Michael's team.....but I have read over and over in this thread and others that there was a large security presence the night Michael died....more than average....almost as if THEY KNEW something was going to go down then..that very day.
 
MJJ7777 said:
Yeah, basically from the time Michael got home to when Murray started panicking.

On the contrary, I heard that employees and everyone else were not allowed into Michael's room that is except Murray and Michael's children. This is coming from Kai Chase.
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I have heard so may different versions of this same story that I just dont know which one is the real truth.....The children were probably doing what they normally do ...having breakfast then they probably had activities that they did .
 
xthunderx2 said:
thank you Vic....you are correct....Those security guards seem a bit fishy to me....Do we have anyway of knowing who was paying them....was it Michael...was it AEG.....Were there any new security guards that joined Michael's team.....but I have read over and over in this thread and others that there was a large security presence the night Michael died....more than average....almost as if THEY KNEW something was going to go down then..that very day.
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I have heard, but cannot prove, that in the two weeks before Michael's death, the Security detail was increased to THREE times the usual number. Was that to keep people out, or Michael IN? I think it was Tohme who hired these guys, and AEG was paying them, and all of Michael's other expenses. Tohme was fired, but he never really went away. ..

If Michael was not paying his staff, then he'd essentially lost the power to hire and FIRE. He was not protected, but "trapped."

Note to any LAPD detectives reading here? And I hope you are? Investigate Tohme, or . . . your karma is cooked, in terms of the death of world's most famous person, and someone who was loved by millions. I am NOT wrong. I am . . NOT wrong. . and so many here, are not wrong. .

Justice. . . . for our beloved Michael. . .

peace,

Vic
 
Victoria..I think it was probably both....to keep people out and keep Michael in.......these people felt they had to control ALL aspects of Michael's being....and if a person is in fear for their life and possibly the life of their children.....they will cooperate with the people doing the threatening.....I too saw the way Tohme yanked Michael's arm after the press conference...I didn't like it one bit....Tohme is far to shady for my liking and I agree with you HE IS involved in Michael's death...
 
Victoria83 said:
I have heard, but cannot prove, that in the two weeks before Michael's death, the Security detail was increased to THREE times the usual number. Was that to keep people out, or Michael IN? I think it was Tohme who hired these guys, and AEG was paying them, and all of Michael's other expenses. Tohme was fired, but he never really went away. ..

If Michael was not paying his staff, then he'd essentially lost the power to hire and FIRE. He was not protected, but "trapped."

Note to any LAPD detectives reading here? And I hope you are? Investigate Tohme, or . . . your karma is cooked, in terms of the death of world's most famous person, and someone who was loved by millions. I am NOT wrong. I am . . NOT wrong. . and so many here, are not wrong. .

Justice. . . . for our beloved Michael. . .

peace,

Vic
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Michael knew the game too well... the dislike 50 show stuff would have not slipped his lips when he didn't want it out there. Security was risen to stop him from making his own words heard.
 
xthunderx2 said:
This was my thought too...why was this call dropped ....maybe Michael had a fight with someone in the house...that inner circle.....maybe someone TOOK the phone away from Michael so he wasn't able to call in or out......this has been driving me crazy....right after that happened a few hours later Michael died.....IDK..I wish I knew..
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You know what? When I first saw the word "dropped" from the fan followers to describe what happened to that phonecall, I didn't quit understand what they were actually saying, I assumed it was due to a language barrier or something like that, all in all I figured someone wouldn't allow their call do get through....


But Damn!!!! You have OPENED my eyes to this possibility! Oh God, It was worst than I thought if the phone was Taken from him by his handlers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh God, to picture the scene now in my head....
 
Victoria83 said:
I have heard, but cannot prove, that in the two weeks before Michael's death, the Security detail was increased to THREE times the usual number. Was that to keep people out, or Michael IN? I think it was Tohme who hired these guys, and AEG was paying them, and all of Michael's other expenses. Tohme was fired, but he never really went away. ..

If Michael was not paying his staff, then he'd essentially lost the power to hire and FIRE. He was not protected, but "trapped."

Note to any LAPD detectives reading here? And I hope you are? Investigate Tohme, or . . . your karma is cooked, in terms of the death of world's most famous person, and someone who was loved by millions. I am NOT wrong. I am . . NOT wrong. . and so many here, are not wrong. .

Justice. . . . for our beloved Michael. . .

peace,

Vic
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I think I first read about the increase his MJ's security days before his Murder from the fan followers who themselves said they saw it first hand. So you are right!
 
Mechi said:
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Michael knew the game too well... the dislike 50 show stuff would have not slipped his lips when he didn't want it out there. Security was risen to stop him from making his own words heard.
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Agreed!
 
xthunderx2 said:
Victoria..I think it was probably both....to keep people out and keep Michael in.......these people felt they had to control ALL aspects of Michael's being....and if a person is in fear for their life and possibly the life of their children.....they will cooperate with the people doing the threatening.....I too saw the way Tohme yanked Michael's arm after the press conference...I didn't like it one bit....Tohme is far to shady for my liking and I agree with you HE IS involved in Michael's death...
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Yep! Yep! Yep!

I believe as you do, they wanted to control all aspects of MJ's life. Under no circumstances were they ever going to allow anyone elese in to get close enough to Michael. They feared their plan and cover would be blown.

Poor, sweet, sweet baby. He must have felt so much fear. We all know he didn't trust many of the people around him. If he did, he would have never told Dick Grergory what he told him during the trial, and he also never would call on certain members to come help and rescue him out of a problem.

But the only problem with that was, the crooks wouldn't allow consistent access to MJ and like you mentioned being threatened or the act of feeling threatened will make you stand down and become somewhat submissive especially when you have under age loved ones to consider.
 
Victoria83 said:
That Michael was isolated comes at us from many directions. After his "I went to bed doing ten concerts, and woke up to fifty," statement, SOMEONE jerked his leash. He could no longer speak to Follower Fans. They had to line up, and they got just seconds to talk to him? There was the (earlier) statement by Tohme, that he was "restricting access" to Michael. The family has said they could not reach him. The FF were able to give him the letters, but a body-guard took them from him, and said he'd get them "later." Did he? We do not KNOW.

Then there were the phones? Security cut the FF short and said, "You can speak to him by phone." But then all calls were dropped. Murray said the phones were not working. Why NOT? Michael had children! A parent MUST have working phones in case of emergency.

The Follower Fans put letters into his hands. The letters said that they were afraid for his life. A security guard took them AWAY from him and said he'd read them later. Did he? A security guard said they could speak to him by phone. But. . they couldn't, and the calls were dropped. And then he died. I honestly don't want to be rude, but if there is any person on this forum who doesn't understand how "odd" this is, with all due respect, what is the MATTER with you?

Carry on,

Vic
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I'm one person that doesn't need a house to fall on me to be convinced that Michael was murdered.
 
I'm going to add some things here, please feel free to add anything that I might have forgotten. Could it be that Thome hired AEG instead of Michael? I know that Michael fired Thome in May 2008, but I have always felt that Thome was still around trying to set up the tour dates without Michael ever knewing about them.

Maybe Thome FORCED Michael to hire Conrad Murray.Thome probably had Control over not only Michael but his security people. He probably told them to feed MJ drugs so that Michael wouldn't be able to make his own decisions.Thome could have been the one who was trying to Keep Michael from his family. Michael's family have said that they tried to help Michael, but They were also being kept away from him. Maybe Thome is the one behind all of this?
 
This was my thought too...why was this call dropped ....maybe Michael had a fight with someone in the house...that inner circle.....maybe someone TOOK the phone away from Michael so he wasn't able to call in or out......this has been driving me crazy....right after that happened a few hours later Michael died.....IDK..I wish I knew..
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You are right. I can't say that actually happened, but it's possible.

I wish those fans could've told us more. Did they actually reach Michael before it was dropped? If so, did Michael say anything to them? Was there bad reception and the call eventually dropped? Or did it just automatically drop? If the call just quickly dropped was their anything heard on the other line?

If anyone knows who these fans are who say the call was 'dropped', please ask them these questions. Because they are important.

I'm very curious if they heard Michael's voice, or someone pick up the phone, and then just a disconnection afterwards (no bad reception). Because then, we could ask them how long it took between answering the phone....then whatever silence their was, and then the dropped call. Because if it was quite a while, then that theory of him fighting with someone could be right.
 
xthunderx2 said:
Victoria..I think it was probably both....to keep people out and keep Michael in.......these people felt they had to control ALL aspects of Michael's being....and if a person is in fear for their life and possibly the life of their children.....they will cooperate with the people doing the threatening.....I too saw the way Tohme yanked Michael's arm after the press conference...I didn't like it one bit....Tohme is far to shady for my liking and I agree with you HE IS involved in Michael's death...
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Yes, Tohme rubs me the wrong way. Ever since I saw a picture of him I haven't felt quite right about that guy. I think Tohme was running Michael like an institution like he said Michael was. Even though I can't even stand typing that, but yea. Tohme saw Michael as $$$, an institution, and a brand. Like people have been saying, they think that Tohme had control of the security at Mike's house. Even though Michael fired Tohme a month prior, Tohme still had control behind the scenes until the end.

When the staff were told to leave the house, security stayed behind. The house was not made a crime scene so whoever wanted in the house and they had people "inside" I think that they could have gotten in. I think Tohme took the security tapes that are missing as well. What's still not answered is who brought Tohme to the hospital that day? He is not Michael's manager anymore so why in the hell was he there, up on that podium claiming that he was, while Michael's actual manager was off to the side watchin'? To me, it almost seems like Tohme wanted to make sure the job was finished? Like make sure Michael was dead? So that's the reason he went to the hospital?

Tohme said himself that he was keeping people away from Michael. He was keeping Michael in and keeping "outsiders" out. So hello! Why isn't this man being investigated. He lied on national television about who he even is. Why haven't investigators went further into this guy? Why has the media stopped doing stories on him? Ever since his lil' tookache or w.e was "wrong" with him when he was going to do that LK interview, which was cancelled and was supposed to re-scheduled but surprise surprise it never was. Tohme is going off radar again. You can't find anything about him on the web, nothing.

Like the FF have said when that story got to a tabloid that Michael did not want to do the 50 shows, security tightened. Michael was not going to be able to get a word out if he was in troube and none of them (FF) were going to be able to get to him. :no: Ahhh I feel guilty that I wasn't there for him. I should have saved him :(

Sorry, here I go makin' myself sad...again.
 
About phone calls and fan's letters

"We wrote letters to Michael frankly expressing our concerns, blunt but cloaked in love, and they were given to him on arriving to what would be his last rehearsal by Talitha - a fan that Michael loved very much and who spent a lot of time with him over the past decade, and especially the past two years (but many of you have slagged off on the boards without even knowing her.) Michael tried to phone her from the Staples center to talk about the letters, but the call dropped and conversation was never had. Michael's security said they would try again the next morning.

I was told by Michael's personal assistant in LA when I went back for the funeral, that Michael asked for the letters that night at home after rehearsal. He took the letters to Michael in his bedroom...."

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2127081&postcount=88


There are more stories from the fans who were around Michael in those threads


http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73759&highlight=claim

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64383

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70187
 
There is Overwhelming Evidence coming from more than one source all informing us and confirming the fact of people being "Cut off", "Shut Out" and "Blocked" from getting to Michael at the hands of the people around him. For years we heard these stories and many fans would not believe it.

Now look...

Unfortunately, we can not deny what is coming to the light since the Murder of our Michael.

These crooks had him closed in.

How elese were they to Kill the World's Biggest Entertainer?

I hope they all rot!!!!!!!!!
 
Reading all this, esp. about Tohme and about the follower fans stories has made me so sad all over again
 
Moddie777 said:
There is Overwhelming Evidence coming from more than one source all informing us and confirming the fact of people being "Cut off", "Shut Out" and "Blocked" from getting to Michael at the hands of the people around him. For years we heard these stories and many fans would not believe it.
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If access to him was blocked, how was he at that party with the Jackson

family?
 
rainny said:
If access to him was blocked, how was he at that party with the Jackson

family?
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We have discussed this question and possible answer more than once in this thread already..


But I'll try and answer for the last time and go into a little more detail: Many people close to the situation believe, as Michael was being controled and manipulated by his handlers, he may also have been or felt "threatened" by them in some capacity? We already know from his owm words, he feared Tohme. We already know Tohme refused to leave his employment.

Could he have been afraid to let on, on the day of the family dinner/party about what was going on?

Or was he in denial about something?

He is Dead now from what looks to be a very mysterious death.

Think about your answer very cautiously...
 
Thank you, Moddie777.

Some members of the family seem to think that MJ was being

manipulated by some of the handlers. If so, they must have

given names to the police.

The first time I heard Frank Dileo speak after MJ passed, he was

asked about Tohme, and he said, ' I don't want to talk about him

today'. The second time, which was during the interview with

Raffles, he avoided talking about Tohme and spoke about Murray

instead.

Tohme is too shady to ignore. What is Frank Dileo not telling?
 
rainny said:
Thank you, Moddie777.

Some members of the family seem to think that MJ was being

manipulated by some of the handlers. If so, they must have

given names to the police.

The first time I heard Frank Dileo speak after MJ passed, he was

asked about Tohme, and he said, ' I don't want to talk about him

today'. The second time, which was during the interview with

Raffles, he avoided talking about Tohme and spoke about Murray

instead.

Tohme is too shady to ignore. What is Frank Dileo not telling?
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You are right! Tohme is shady. Very shady.

And Frank Dileo isn't being honest. If Frank had such a problem with Tohme, why did it take MJ's murder to elude to something not being right about Tohme all of a sudden? Frank has been in the picture since the Trial in 2005, when he first re entered trying to get back in
with Michael. Michael acted very hesitant to bring him back on officially.

My point is when our michael was live and Tohme was hanging around refusing to leave MJ's employment, we heard NOTHING from Frank at all about Tohme, now all of a sudden with Michael now Murdered he makes sure to "reportedly" put out comments that would have the public questioning Tohme and not himself?

Hmmmmmmmmm.....

Strategy maybe? (sarcasm).
 
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