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And Joe Jackson himself. Seemed to be the same pattern that was shown in the autopsy.

I will say though that Michael did a great job of keeping himself looking great. He did not look 50 at all.
 
Beachlover said:
It is a receding hair line from age and has nothing to do with the Pepsi burn which was in the back to the left. I really doubt Lupus would have been any cause because it certainly wasn't a cause for any other organ failure.
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I agree the comment about frontal balding was most likely due to an age-related receding hairline.

"the decedant's hair is sparse and is connected to a wig" - they haven't commented on the specific areas of sparse hair growth therefore the scar from the burn could be included in this description - I am aware of where the burn was having seen both the footage of the incident released after Michael passed and the autopsy sketch.

DISCOID lupus (which can cause alopecia) usually does not involve internal organs whereas systemic lupus erythematosus does, I suspect Michael may have had the former. Exposure to sunlight can aggravate discoid lesions and may be another reason (in addition to vitilgo) as to why MJ protected himself from the sun when he was outdoors. Klein & Chopra both stated Michael had 'lupus', whether or not they are to be believed is upto each individual.

For anyone who is interested - a bit more on discoid lupus:
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Discoid-Lupus-Erythematosus.htm

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honeysucklejasmine said:
I agree the comment about frontal balding was most likely due to an age-related receding hairline.

"the decedant's hair is sparse and is connected to a wig" - they haven't commented on the specific areas of sparse hair growth therefore the scar from the burn could be included in this description - I am aware of where the burn was having seen both the footage of the incident released after Michael passed and the autopsy sketch.

DISCOID lupus usually does not involve internal organs whereas systemic lupus erythematosus does, I suspect Michael may have had the former. Exposure to sunlight can aggravate discoid lesions and may be another reason (in addition to vitilgo) as to why MJ protected himself from the sun when he was outdoors. Klein & Chopra both stated Michael had 'lupus', whether or not they are to be believed is upto each individual.

For anyone who is interested - a bit more on discoid lupus:
http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Discoid-Lupus-Erythematosus.htm

(Dr) Honeysucklejasmine
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Thank you, some on here are confusing the two. My friend was diagnosed with systemic lupus. She died at 35 years old. It also affected her lungs and enlarged her heart as a result of it.
 
Quite honestly, I am not sure he had Lupus at all. Everyone here seems to believe that but I have my doubts. Most of what I am reading here on this board is of the systemic type because of the lungs and other issues.

I for one don't believe he did have it. I do believe that he used creams for his Vitiligo and those very creams state on them that you must stay out of the sun.
 
reports said he had discoid which was connected to the vit some fans claim it turned into systemic in the 00's but tbh i doubt anyone has evidence of such.
 
I do believe that he used creams for his Vitiligo and those very creams state on them that you must stay out of the sun.[/QUOTE]


Irrespective of whether Michael used creams or not, having vitiligo itself is an indication to avoid sun exposure as the depigmented skin is at increased risk of burning due to the lack of protective melanocytic pigment.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
reports said he had discoid which was connected to the vit some fans claim it turned into systemic in the 00's but tbh i doubt anyone has evidence of such.
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Yeah, I have heard stories too but if anything I would have thought Discoid but even that is unsure. He was 50 and his body was in the shape of a basically healthy 50 year old. Arthritis is not uncommon and neither are the other things, none of which are debilitating.
 
yes discoid was said by klien according to leaks at the GJ in 93.i see no reason for the media to make something up like that story. and ppl have talked about his face rashes and swolen hands etc and attending lupus fundraisers.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
yes discoid was said by klien according to leaks at the GJ in 93.i see no reason for the media to make something up like that story. and ppl have talked about his face rashes and swolen hands etc and attending lupus fundraisers.
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Yes, Klein confirmed, and those leaks were most likely accurate. Plus there is plenty of photographic evidence from the eighties (and after) showing the typical "butterfly rash" on his face, as well as the swollen hands. He has also attended lupus fundraisers and donated. Put this all together and it seems 99 percent certain that he had lupus. (He didn't want to discuss health-issues much at all, so never made a public statement about it that I'm aware of.)
 
Victoria83 said:
Yes, Klein confirmed, and those leaks were most likely accurate. Plus there is plenty of photographic evidence from the eighties (and after) showing the typical "butterfly rash" on his face, as well as the swollen hands. He has also attended lupus fundraisers and donated. Put this all together and it seems 99 percent certain that he had lupus. (He didn't want to discuss health-issues much at all, so never made a public statement about it that I'm aware of.)
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Michael's butterfly rash - practically diagnostic of lupus:
http://www.heeheeshamone.com/hee/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/michaelfonda.jpg
 
Beachlover said:
Quite honestly, I am not sure he had Lupus at all. Everyone here seems to believe that but I have my doubts. Most of what I am reading here on this board is of the systemic type because of the lungs and other issues.
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OMG now you know Michaels personal medical history and your here to tell us he never had Lupus. lol It never stops.

Michael had Lupus but the autopsy fails to mention that. Not because he didnt have it but because the autopsy is incomplete and inaccurate.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
OMG now you know Michaels personal medical history and your here to tell us he never had Lupus. lol It never stops.

Michael had Lupus but the autopsy fails to mention that. Not because he didnt have it but because the autopsy is incomplete and inaccurate.
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But doesn't the autopsy sow the symptoms even though it isn't mentioned. What do you mean it's incomplete? anyway too bad we can't see the family's autopsy report and compare them.
 
nena said:
But doesn't the autopsy sow the symptoms even though it isn't mentioned. What do you mean it's incomplete? anyway too bad we can't see the family's autopsy report and compare them.
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The symptoms are there but the autopsy doesnt not specifically mention Lupus at all (yet mentions Vitiligo), neither does it mention (albeit a brief diagram) the Pepsi burn or Michael's cleft in his chin yet it describes other scars, surgeries and diseases that are irrelevant to the cause of death.
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
OMG now you know Michaels personal medical history and your here to tell us he never had Lupus. lol It never stops.

Michael had Lupus but the autopsy fails to mention that. Not because he didnt have it but because the autopsy is incomplete and inaccurate.
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We have gone over and over this. Maybe you don't understand how Lupus is diagnosed. First of all, there is systemic and discoid. They are different.

You can test positive on Sunday and on Friday test negative. There is no specific test for Lupus. There are even doctors within the medical community who doubt its true existence. It is highly debatable as a disease.

Also, since you are so smart you must also know that this can affect the conduction system of the heart and cause cardiac arrythmias. Did you even know that? Well, lets hope that Murray would have known that BEFORE he treated Michael, right?

Maybe there are some things you should just keep to yourself.
 
This is a Michael Jackson fan board, please think about what you're saying. Post deleted.
Please also remember respect. Accusing someone of lying, is not acceptable. How many times must this be said?!
 
Dangerous Incorporated said:
OMG now you know Michaels personal medical history and your here to tell us he never had Lupus. lol It never stops.

Michael had Lupus but the autopsy fails to mention that. Not because he didnt have it but because the autopsy is incomplete and inaccurate.
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Prove to me he had it. Tell me what doctors diagnosed it and the type and tell me what in the autopsy shows for sure he had it. Tell me what tests Michael had to prove this particular disease.
 
Beachlover said:
We have gone over and over this.
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And unless the autopsy mysteriously changes, I will keep going over the the things the report left out. This is why it is great that the Jackson's had an autopsy done as this report is not definitive.
 
Beachlover said:
Prove to me he had it. Tell me what doctors diagnosed it and the type and tell me what in the autopsy shows for sure he had it. Tell me what tests Michael had to prove this particular disease.
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Why are you so adamant he didn't have it? It's been spoken of for years. Just wondering what makes you so sure?
 
I just hate the fact the they made his report public it's so disrespectful why didn't we see any other celebrity's coroner report made public? they don't give him the right to have any dignity left
look at how people analyze every inch of his body it's disgusting I don't care if you're fans or not
 
Beachlover said:
Prove to me he had it. Tell me what doctors diagnosed it and the type and tell me what in the autopsy shows for sure he had it. Tell me what tests Michael had to prove this particular disease.
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Michael having lupus has been common knowledge since the mid 80s.
 
Soundmind said:
Justthefacts is much more educated on the facts of this case than of those who say she's not . She has just posted an article on MJ and Murray going to a doctor in Vegas to ask for propofol .

MJ took it before , and since the doctor who gave it before did take all the precautions into consideration , MJ survived and felt it was safe. Little did he know that Murray was a piece of shit , who cared only about money and did not even bother to have the necessary equipment to revive or even stay in that room watching him .

Dr.Adams himself said Murray gave propofol a bad name when it's one of the best sedatives available .

Murray was with MJ since december 2008, he moved to LA with his girlfriend . He was going from doctor to other asking them to join him on the medical team for the concerts , Lee asked andrefused, Adams asked and refused Murray was the only constant beside MJ .
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That last thing you posted is interesting - about Michael asking other doctors to go along the tour and Murray being the only one who agreed. Where is this information taken from? Can you provide a source?
 
I took time to read the Report it was quite graphic but there was a positive aspect out of all of this... Michael did have Vitiligo. Do not get me wrong one of my close friends suffers from it so I know how harrowing it can be. I have never doubted that Michael had it anyway!!!Stacy Brown and Bob Jones claimed in their book that Michael bleached his skin because he hated Black People. These People need to apologise to Micheal's Children or we his Fans should form a Consortium and sue them and donate the proceeds to the Vitiligo Society. It is so hurtful.

Back to the Coroners Report. He was in otherwise good health and quite fit until that quack injected him. I do not know what surprised them about his hair. Ignorance!!!!! I am Black, if I pass to day there is an awful lot of hair on my head that is not mine attached to my scalp as well.. numpties!!!!

I am grateful for reading it but it shows the amonut of abuse this mman went through, his Autopsy, his death Certificate all on the Internet for the Vultures to see. IO feel so sad.
 
abigaillovesmj said:
That last thing you posted is interesting - about Michael asking other doctors to go along the tour and Murray being the only one who agreed. Where is this information taken from? Can you provide a source?
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The last time I heard that EXACTLY that statement (also without any mentioning on the source of that information) was on VH1 "famous crime scene" that threw together a couple of thoughts, with a lot of Ian Halperin (!) showing up, "explaining" the "facts".

I think it was Halperin on that show saying that Murray was the fourth who was asked...:scratch:
Also Oxman was on the show...you get which circle of people was speaking there.
 
Beachlover said:
Prove to me he had it. Tell me what doctors diagnosed it and the type and tell me what in the autopsy shows for sure he had it. Tell me what tests Michael had to prove this particular disease.
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Michael said himself he had Lupus. In 2003 he attended a Lupus fundraiser and donated to the cause. If you bother to research it you will find pictures and reports of the event online.

Lupus was a side effect of other conditions therefore would not likely be listed in the report. This is normal in many cases. Case and point - I have a family member who suffered juvenile diabetes however all they list in his report was kidney failure. The fact that years of juvenile diabetes is what destroyed his kidney is irrelevant.

Now, last time I checked MJJC was a FAN SITE where we honored and respected Michael. Why then is there constant attacks on the man everyone here is a fan of? He was human and had human issues but this site has always been a safe haven for his fans not a free for all to dissect and attack on every planted flaw that can be utilized. There is a serious lack of respect for Michael, for members of this site and a pathetic attempt to overthrow anything against a particular agenda.

Sad this is continuing...
 
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Modulation Alert said:
I think it was Halperin on that show saying that Murray was the fourth who was asked...:scratch:
Also Oxman was on the show...you get which circle of people was speaking there.
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Yes including the LAFD Chief who Im sure is enjoying his 15mins and a little monetary bonus. Another reason to deny the Paramedic Audio was real apart from breach of protocol and confidentiality. But thats off topic.
 
Momma Shannon said:
Michael said himself he had Lupus. In 2003 he attended a Lupus fundraiser and donated to the cause. If you bother to research it you will find pictures and reports of the event online.

Lupus was a side effect of other conditions therefore would not likely be listed in the report. This is normal in many cases. Case and point - I have a family member who suffered juvenile diabetes however all they list in his report was kidney failure. The fact that years of juvenile diabetes is what destroyed his kidney is irrelevant.

Now, last time I checked MJJC was a FAN SITE where we honored and respected Michael. Why then is there constant attacks on the man everyone here is a fan of? He was human and had human issues but this site has always been a safe haven for his fans not a free for all to dissect and attack on every planted flaw that can be utilized. There is a serious lack of respect for Michael, for members of this site and a pathetic attempt to overthrow anything against a particular agenda.

Sad this is continuing...
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I totally agree.

heres to you :give_flowers:
 
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