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Okay, guess I'll say what I've seen personally throughout the years in dealing with pts that have died.
If the eyelids are even slightly open, we try to close them immediately, using saline drops if necessary, and then apply a cottom ball on the eyelid and tape the eyelid gently shut with paper tape. Very hard to close the eyelid and keep it closed if the cornea and inner eyelid is dry.
If the pt has been dead (hate using that word in this instance) and the eyelids are shut, you have to be careful in trying to open them since the natural eye moisture is no longer there.
The "wide open" statement I would tend to take with a grain of salt in this instance, versus that the eyeslids were (simply) open, unless Michael had been gone so long that there was no moisture left and his eyelids remained open after Murray checked them. My guess would be CM did check for pupillary response when he found Michael. What makes it sound as if Michael had been dead for more than a few minutes was that the eyelids did not close again after CM checked them, and why did CM not close them then himself unless the eyes were already very dry.
It's all conjecture to me at this point. I don't know why Alvarez took so long to report some of these things. Everything I read I have to just take in and wait until the trial gets underway to see/read all the aspects and nuances. That doesn't stop me from feeling that Michael was gone much longer than Murray's original statement indicated. Personally I think there is alot more that we don't know about than what we do know about, ie what's been released, etc. jmo
If the eyelids are even slightly open, we try to close them immediately, using saline drops if necessary, and then apply a cottom ball on the eyelid and tape the eyelid gently shut with paper tape. Very hard to close the eyelid and keep it closed if the cornea and inner eyelid is dry.
If the pt has been dead (hate using that word in this instance) and the eyelids are shut, you have to be careful in trying to open them since the natural eye moisture is no longer there.
The "wide open" statement I would tend to take with a grain of salt in this instance, versus that the eyeslids were (simply) open, unless Michael had been gone so long that there was no moisture left and his eyelids remained open after Murray checked them. My guess would be CM did check for pupillary response when he found Michael. What makes it sound as if Michael had been dead for more than a few minutes was that the eyelids did not close again after CM checked them, and why did CM not close them then himself unless the eyes were already very dry.
It's all conjecture to me at this point. I don't know why Alvarez took so long to report some of these things. Everything I read I have to just take in and wait until the trial gets underway to see/read all the aspects and nuances. That doesn't stop me from feeling that Michael was gone much longer than Murray's original statement indicated. Personally I think there is alot more that we don't know about than what we do know about, ie what's been released, etc. jmo