Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

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Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

With all this AEG stuff flying around I can't even watch TII in peace. When I watch it now, all I think of is the pain he was going through in those rehearsals. Was he just putting on a mask for us? For everyone? Was he trying to make it seem like everything was okay, but in reality it wasn't? Awww Mike :cry:
As much as it pains me to accept this, (after reading this lawsuit) I think his smiles and laughs in that footage weren't real. How could he be genuinely happy with all this crap around him & those leaches threatening him?

Still hurts like heck. I miss you MJ :(.



You must really think Michael deserves the award for best actor since his performance not only fooled the general public, the critics, haters, but even his own family. All the brothers, except Randy, glowed about the movie and Jackie saw it several times. Even his kids saw the movie and loved it. Even Joe was left in tears and said nothing bad about how Michael looked or acted. So the whole, he was faking does not hold much water.

A better example is if you looked at MGS to see what Michael would looked like sick or drugged. I think you give Michael too little credit.




mjistheonlyone, please read my previous post. The lawyer Mrs. Jackson hired get paid rather they win or lost. Why would a lawyer give up a easy pay day, even if the lawsuit if paper thin? Why do you think the Chandlers were able to fine a lawyer to file a suit even though their case could easily be torn apart.

If she had some documentation from LAPD, why didn't she wait until the criminal before filing charges. Why does this suit goes against their own words not even three months old? If fact, there is nothing new in this suit. Everything here is what has been whispered by people like TINI, Karen, and certain family members. If they had all these clues, why didn't they tell the LAPD, but instead praise the work they have been doing?
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

So you don't support this lawsuit?

The Jackson family seems like they're all agreeing on this one. No contradicting tweets from anyone so far.

This might be it...the truth we've all been waiting for..?



You are going by the tweets, not the actually interviews that gave.

On June 25, both Jermaine and Tito gave an interview to CNN. Jermaine stated that Michael that Michael could had done 200 shows if the pacing was right and doing the concert series would not had been a problem for him. Tito also said that he didn't know what happened and could not understand why Michael was dead. Oxman was in the same interview talking about AEG and their involve, so they knew what was going, but still made these statements.

Mrs. Jackson on the same date said she was not sure what happened and said that Michael was fine and healthy the last time she saw him. She said nothing was wrong with him and would had asked Michael what happened if she could.

All the brothers, except Randy, also supported the movie and went to its premier. They even praised the good job AEG was doing.

So, they have contradicted themselves allot. Even Randy contradicted himself, along with some other family members, because they claim Michael was murdered on purpose. This lawsuit does not say AEG killed Michael on purpose, but more or less used and abused him. That is not the same thing.
 
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I don't see anything. What's on there?

Available online 23 November 2009.

In this paper the traumatic situation of children witnessing a parent being murdered is examined. The purposes are to (1) evaluate the psychiatric consequences of such a trauma, in terms of meeting diagnostic criteria, and (2) assess the impact on the affective and cognitive functioning of the child. Methodological complications are present in such rare events. When a parent is seriously wounded in an attempted murder but survives, the situation is dissimilar from a parental death; when a child is directly involved, such as being shot at, a key variable has changed; the response to the child may change the outcome; differences in family structure, and the clinical status of the perpetrator (e.g., was the person psychotic and for how long?) are all relevant. This study investigated 16 children between the ages of 5 and 10 who had witnessed a parental murder. The children were assessed clinically as well as by utilizing the Impact of Event Scale. Complex legal situations often arise when children are exposed to a parental homicide. The situations may involve participation in a criminal trial as well as civil issues involving mental distress. Both may demand the child's participation as a witness, beyond the initial traumatic event of witnessing a parent murdered.


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Sorry the link wasn't available. I was able to copy only this section which is in the Journal of the American Academy of Child Psychiatry.
The PDF file must be purchased.
 
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You are going by the tweets, not the actually interviews that gave.

On June 25, both Jermaine and Tito gave an interview to CNN. Jermaine stated that Michael that Michael could had done 200 shows if the pacing was right and doing the concert series would not had been a problem for him. Tito also said that he didn't know what happened and could not understand why Michael was dead. Oxman was in the same interview talking about AEG and their involve, so they knew what was going, but still made these statements.

Mrs. Jackson on the same date said she was not sure what happened and said that Michael was fine and healthy the last time she saw him. She said nothing was wrong with him and would had asked Michael what happened if she could.

All the brothers, except Randy, also supported the movie and went to its premier. They even praised the good job AEG was doing.

So, they have contradicted themselves allot. Even Randy contradicted himself, along with some other family members, because they claim Michael was murdered on purpose. This lawsuit does not say AEG killed Michael on purpose, but more or less used and abused him. That is not the same thing.

I don recall any of the family seeing the TII. I sdid see Jermaine walking around outside on October 29, 2009 but he never went in.

You say on June 25 they all had different stories was that June 25, 2010? or where are you getting this information may I ask?

Thanks
 
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Jermaine, Jackie and Marlon were at the premiere movie. Tito did not go in because he said it was too soon for him but he was there to support the movie
 
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I don recall any of the family seeing the TII. I sdid see Jermaine walking around outside on October 29, 2009 but he never went in.

You say on June 25 they all had different stories was that June 25, 2010? or where are you getting this information may I ask?

Thanks


They did see the movie, it was on their reality show. Jackie saw it before all the brothers and glowed about it. He even tried to get Tito to see the movie and talked about how proud he would be of Michael. They did confirm that the kids saw the movie in a private screening and even suggested that they had the DVD. Joe also saw it because he attempted to charge people $3000 to see it with him. When people asked him about it, he was actually in tears. The day after the premiere, Jackie and Tito were also on Oprah talking about how good the movie was.

Yes, it was June 25 of this year. It was on a CNN special on the day Michael died this year. The special was full of crap and I would whether forget I watched it, but it had three interviews with Tito, Jermaine, and Oxman. You can probably find it on youtube.

Mrs. Jackson gave an interview with either 20/20 or dateline, can't remember at this moment, on June 25 of this year talking about her son passing. That is when she said that she saw Michael a week and a half before he died. She called it a precious memory because he was happy, laughing, and she saw nothing wrong with him. She even said that she didn't believe he was drugged out.
 
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I'd like to thank Ivy for excellent research. . . and balance.

There has been a lot of misinformation in this thread. Do your homework. OK? The attorney's website is easy to find on Google. Katherine is paying NOTHING for this, and this law-firm has a lot on the line. They do ONLY "contingency" lawsuits, which means that they are paid NOTHING unless they win. They have an excellent national reputation. They have a lot of money to spend on Private Investigators, expert witnesses, and whatever other background material they need. If anyone can, THEY can discover what happened to Michael. I'd expect that Michael's fans would want to know the truth, whatever it is. If not, why NOT?

This law firm is highly regarded, and is unlikely to settle out-of-court. They are trial lawyers. This case does NOT weaken the chances for Murray's conviction. This civil suit will happen after the trial, regardless, so that is a non-issue. Discuss as you will, but here are some FACTS, ok?


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Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Thank you, Ivy and Victoria, for the info.
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I spoke to my friend who is a civil attorney and she had this to say:

It is better for Katherine to bring this lawsuit forth sooner rather than later.

This lawsuit will NOT affect the criminal trial.

If this case goes before the criminal trial the lawyers will try (and will probably succeed) in barring at least some of what is said from even being entered in to evidence.

They may try to get the mention of their being a pending civil trial barred from being mentioned.

If Katherine was trying to sue Murray, she should wait until after the criminal trial but since it is against AEG, than it is ok. But she could and will probably sue Murray at a later time and use the same evidence. (I guess that is why she left the list of defendants open).

She has a shot in this case IF Murray was hired by AEG and they did not do the necessary background checks, etc before they hired him.

I’m trying to remember everything we talked about. But oh well. I can say that what she said did make me happier and gave me some comfort.
 
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^^^Thanks so much for the information. So it all does really hinge on who hired Murray. It looks like this is going to all get down to technicalities of an advance to Michael for his personal physician's services or Murray being an actual employee of AEG.
 
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So it all does really hinge on who hired Murray. It looks like this is going to all get down to technicalities of an advance to Michael for his personal physician's services or Murray being an actual employee of AEG.

An "advance for Michael's personal physician."

What advance?

I recall Murray's big mouth attorney, Chernoff, going on and on about Murray NOT being paid and that they would be holding AEG liable. As per Chernoff, AEG owed Murray $300,000 and Murray needed his money. And as per Miranda Sevcik, publicist to Murray's attorney "Murray has not been paid a penny for his services."

If I recall correctly, Chernoff/Sevcik were making those claims during the time that Murray was in court for non-payment of child support.
 
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What kind of background check could anyone do on Murray? All he needed to be was a doctor and that is all Michael asked for. Now it would be different if AEG hired him and Murray was lying about being a doctor and they never found out. Michael's treatment was between he and his doctor not AEG not his Mother not anyone.
 
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^^^Thanks so much for the information. So it all does really hinge on who hired Murray. It looks like this is going to all get down to technicalities of an advance to Michael for his personal physician's services or Murray being an actual employee of AEG.


In some of those emails Conrad Murray is all but begging AEG to pay him even gave them his bank info he was not paid a dime
 
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-- Will AEG settle?

sure a lot of companies settle for many reasons and it doesn't show wrongdoing on their part but .........
anyway in my opinion this is a way too high profile case to settle.
It's a PR disaster , a risk too high for AEG to take.
-- By looking to their statement and the wording of"meritless" I almost expect them to argue to get the case thrown out based on the contract issue - very similar to All Good Case.
.... However if what AEG says is true and Murray's hiring was contingent upon Michael's signature then most probably the agreement would not hold. Too many questions are unanswered.[/
If getting to the bottom of things and wanting to know the truth is what Katherine wants, winning the suit is not the end game for her.
Where information is only privy to AEG, a lawsuit showing probable cause is one avenue to suponea evidence via a search warrant and get yourself first hand discovery (information & evidence). Maybe Katherine already has a tip off. Just a conjecture like everyone else here. Hiring this law firm is predicated upon a grieving mum wanting closure.
 
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An "advance for Michael's personal physician."

What advance?

In some of those emails Conrad Murray is all but begging AEG to pay him even gave them his bank info he was not paid a dime


AEG is saying that Murray was NEVER their hire. They were going to pay Murray as an "advance" to Michael that MJ would later reimburse them for. Murray would be an MJ expense of the tour. ETA: So although whatever monies that would be paid to Murray initially would be coming out of AEG's pockets, the cost would always be MJ's.
 
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If she had some documentation from LAPD, why didn't she wait until the criminal before filing charges. Why does this suit goes against their own words not even three months old? If fact, there is nothing new in this suit. Everything here is what has been whispered by people like TINI, Karen, and certain family members. If they had all these clues, why didn't they tell the LAPD, but instead praise the work they have been doing?
I would rather have LAPD stick to the case against Murray for now, if they new information they can trump up charges in another case.
Lose the focus lose the case.
Muddy the waters in this case against Murray, kiss the Involuntary Manslaugter charge goodbye.
 
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What kind of background check could anyone do on Murray? All he needed to be was a doctor and that is all Michael asked for. Now it would be different if AEG hired him and Murray was lying about being a doctor and they never found out. Michael's treatment was between he and his doctor not AEG not his Mother not anyone.

She said "IF" Murray was hired by AEG as the lawsuit stands they would have a case. Because AEG hired Murray, even if MJ asked for him, they would be responsible for making sure the doctor was able to provide the services for which they were hiring him. They would have to find out about his background the same way any person is scrutinized and found out about before they are hired. When you go to work in a bank, they check your credit score, your financial history, etc, anything that would impact you peforming your job. For A doctor they would check his financial history, see if any judgements were against him, see where he was legally able to work, etc. And if he worked for AEG, they also would be responsible for medical treatment MJ was given that would impact his ability to perform if it was deemed they were aware of what was being given (I hope that makes sense.) When you hire someone to give specific treatment or treatment for a specific reason, you then become responsible for that treatment given.

But she said if Murray was actually working for MJ and hired by MJ, etc, then she probably would not win. Maybe she knows something we do not know. Or maybe she is after some information and even though she might lose, what she is after will be brought to light by having the case go to trial. I don't know.

It all amounts to what they can prove. Also, even if Murray was suggested by MJ and MJ had used him before prior to the contract with AEG, if AEG was the one that actually hired him and paid him (or were going to) Murray became the responsibility of AEG.
 
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But here is the thing he got nothing no advance nothing
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

She said "IF" Murray was hired by AEG as the lawsuit stands they would have a case. Because AEG hired Murray, even if MJ asked for him, they would be responsible for making sure the doctor was able to provide the services for which they were hiring him. They would have to find out about his background the same way any person is scrutinized and found out about before they are hired. When you go to work in a bank, they check your credit score, your financial history, etc, anything that would impact you peforming your job. For A doctor they would check his financial history, see if any judgements were against him, see where he was legally able to work, etc. And if he worked for AEG, they also would be responsible for medical treatment MJ was given that would impact his ability to perform if it was deemed they were aware of what was being given (I hope that makes sense.) When you hire someone to give specific treatment or treatment for a specific reason, you then become responsible for that treatment given.

But she said if Murray was actually working for MJ and hired by MJ, etc, then she probably would not win. Maybe she knows something we do not know. Or maybe she is after some information and even though she might lose, what she is after will be brought to light by having the case go to trial. I don't know.

It all amounts to what they can prove. Also, even if Murray was suggested by MJ and MJ had used him before prior to the contract with AEG, if AEG was the one that actually hired him and paid him (or were going to) Murray became the responsibility of AEG.


Mrs Jackson is saying AEG found and hired Murray and that is not true. The lack of contract and the lack of blue card for Murray tells me he was not going anywhere And the negotiations to hire Murray who did it was it AEG or was it Frank Dileo if AEG were the ones who hired him they would have been the ones doing the talks for money
 
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I'm waiting for the series of emails that AEG "may" have, wherein they are discussing that Murray is asking for way too much money and that they would like Michael to hire a doctor once he get's to London.

i.e. "This doctor is asking for way too much. Let's stall for as long as possible and see if Michael changes his mind, once he get's to London."

(You just know something "similar" to that is coming, in my opinion!)

I mean, was there this much back-and-forth with EVERYBODY'S contract or was Murray's the only contract with these types of problems.
 
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Mrs Jackson is saying AEG found and hired Murray and that is not true. The lack of contract and the lack of blue card for Murray tells me he was not going anywhere And the negotiations to hire Murray who did it was it AEG or was it Frank Dileo if AEG were the ones who hired him they would have been the ones doing the talks for money

I agree, that is why I say the "IF". Maybe she has ulterior motives???
 
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Mrs Jackson is saying AEG found and hired Murray and that is not true. The lack of contract and the lack of blue card for Murray tells me he was not going anywhere And the negotiations to hire Murray who did it was it AEG or was it Frank Dileo if AEG were the ones who hired him they would have been the ones doing the talks for money

I agree, and as I said before, I don't think AEG ever planned to hire Murray.

We all know by now that Murray really, REALLY needed the money and if AEG wanted Murray so badly to be a part of their team, then what was the hold up. I know there was some back-and-forth, but shoot, they could have wrapped that joint up in a weekend, since as the lawsuit claims, both parties were so desparate to work together.

Out of EVERYBODY who was signed on for that massive series of shows, how come (to my knowledge) Murray was the ONLY person to complain about not being paid?
 
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Thanks for all the info.

It's obvious that both sides feel they have a strong case. If it goes to a jury trial though, my money's on Katherine's lawyers just because nowadays "abusive" corporates are resented by the general public and that's what a jury is made of; regular folks, as opposed to CEOs, CFOs or other execs.

And for why some of us would rather not know the whole truth about Michael's death, is because, whatever will be revealed, the haters and medialoids will find a way to use it to cause pain and confusion all around like they always do when it comes to Michael. :(
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Thanks for all the info.

It's obvious that both sides feel they have a strong case. If it goes to a jury trial though, my money's on Katherine's lawyers just because nowadays "abusive" corporates are resented by the general public and that's what a jury is made of; regular folks, as opposed to CEOs, CFOs or other execs.(

At first, I thought Katherine had little chance winning this case. There was more than sufficient evidence out there that Conrad Murray was part of TII because of MJ. As far as Murray using the lethal propofol to help his chronic insomina, Nurse Lee said Michael personally asked her for it. There was never any indidation that AEG or anyone else had anything to do with that request.

But ginvid's great info gives me second thoughts. Since apparently IF AEG hired Murray makes them therefore technically responsble for Murray's services, I can see how AEG can be held accountable.

Plus as you said, the public has a very negative view of corporations... in addition there are three greiving minor children as plaintiffs who lost there only involved parent, so yeah, Katherine could be the victor here.
 
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At first, I thought Katherine had little chance winning this case. There was more than sufficient evidence out there that Conrad Murray was part of TII because of MJ. As far as Murray using the lethal propofol to help his chronic insomina, Nurse Lee said Michael personally asked her for it. There was never any indidation that AEG or anyone else had anything to do with that request.

But ginvid's great info gives me second thoughts. Since apparently IF AEG hired Murray makes them therefore technically responsble for Murray's services, I can see how AEG can be held accountable.

Plus as you said, the public has a very negative view of corporations... in addition there are three greiving minor children as plaintiffs who lost there only involved parent, so yeah, Katherine could be the victor here.

This law-firm has a tendency not to lose, and I doubt they would take the case if they didn't feel they had a good chance. They work only on "contingency," (see their website to confirm), so if they lose, they make nothing. Katherine isn't paying them anything. As far as this firm is concerned? They won the biggest award in U.S. history for their clients, and also the biggest in the state of California.

Murray himself surely thought he was working for AEG. He asked AEG to pay for medical equipment, and did not ask Michael to pay for it. Did they know about the propofol? After such an abnormal request as "CPR equipment," wouldn't you think they'd ask, "What the HELL are you doing to Michael that you'd need such a thing?" Did they ask Murray that? Don't know.

After Michael died, Murray asked AEG to pay him. He did not ask the estate (Michael's money) to pay him anything. Was he confused, or was his understanding that he was working for AEG?

My hunch is that Murray will plea-bargain and there will be no criminal trial. However, in a civil suit he could be required to testify.

Doubtful that the civil suit would come before the criminal trial, which takes precedence. I'm sure the law-firm will want access to some of the same evidence, which I doubt will happen if the DA is still using it.
 
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No offense, but whomever put that clip together is clearly TRYING to project their own opinion and they are using a lot of twist and turns to get there.

I'm not sure how this will be overcome, or if it can be overcome, but there is a reason why folks prepare contracts and why folks sign contracts. I mean, isn't that why the All Good case got the boot, basically it was because there was NO contract?

Also, when a person makes a clip like that and wants to be taken seriously, I would suggest that they don't, DO NOT, include Brian Oxman or tweets from Karen Faye. If either one of them is on Ms. Katherine's witness list, her case will be toast, in my opinion. LOL!

One last thing, I noticed there were a few times in that clip wherein it is stated that Murray was Michael's choice, which is in SHARP contrast as to what Ms. Katherine's lawsuit says. In my opinion, she could have just said "Although Murray was Michael's choice, AEG was still responsible." For whatever reason, she didn't go with that story, she decided to "twist" the truth instead. I wonder why?
 
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not only do u have to prove the contract issue you have to prove that AEG ordered murray to give mj what he did and knew what murray was giving and said carry on do what ever it takes. unless theres docmented emails or murrays takes the stand and says "yes AEG bullied me into doing it im such a victim" then it wont stand up in court
 
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I just have to type down these facts eating me up right now – even though I have barely read a page out of threads like these, ‘cause they’re angering me too much, and just killing me.. So, I’ll just highlight what we (should) know for sure:

“He was infuriating, manic, loving and considerate. Let me tell you a story: Michael had missed two rehearsals … the cast and crew were waiting and he was really late. He hadn’t left his house yet. So I called and yelled at him. We had a fight. He finally got there and I got there a little later. He was sitting in a chair, going over notes. He walked around the table and walked past me. But he didn’t want to be rude so he stopped. Put his arm on my shoulder, tapped it, then walked on. He was mad but he still didn’t want to be impolite. That was Michael.” – Randy Philips says in an interview.

"If Mike gets too nervous to go on, I'll throw him over my shoulder and carry him on stage. He's light enough.” => Randy Philips’ and his forceful ways again

Rehearsals begin in May – only 1 month-and-a-half period for rehearsals?!

His chef, Kai Chase would say how at one point, he told her that ‘They [rehearsals] are killing me”; some guys whose exact occupation I can’t really remember, but were a part of the rehearsals, said that he had sore feet or dancer’s feet and was in pain, Michael admitted to them.

Randy Phillips himself said it better than anyone ever could shortly after Michael died:
“People have speculated that this is going to bankrupt our company. The truth is it isn’t.” http://www.thecommentfactory.com/michael-jackson-is-still-exploited - They’re bathing in profits, actually, which was more than could have happened if Michael was a ‘liability’ for them and couldn’t do the shows if he had survived them.

Randy Philips and AEG pressured him with an 02 deal for 2 years until he finally accepted. On March 5, 2009, he did the fateful press conference in London when it is Plain to see he would have wanted to be anywhere but there. He repeated “This is it’ so many times, so gravely and seriously, as if addressed to AEG and others pressuring him into all kinds of things he truly didn’t want to do in his heart, despite how much he loves music and dance. He only lightened up a bit and was more of himself when he said how he loved his fans ‘from the bottom of my heart’. Other than that, he was feeling very strange and unlike himself, under pressure, again, as it is plain to see.

From good memory of certain facts I recall an interview with a fitness trainer Michael met two weeks before his passing while training with Lou Ferrigno. She said how he was upset because certain “They were so mean… just so mean”, because he considered canceling a couple of shows, she said. Who could they have been?...

I also recall – again from good memory of certain facts – how Thome Thome told Randy Philips how Michael was in dire need of money (Thome also brought this money issue when the whole weird Neverland-item auction took place – another unfortunate situation consuming Michael - when Julien admitted to being told by Thome how the Neverland gates would also be auctioned, because it’s worth ‘a lot of money’; Julien also said how he was threatened by Thome), while Philips claimed it wasn’t about a dire need of money, but just Michael wanting to perform again, being young enough to do it.

In another pertinent interview with Philips, he would say that when the decisive 50 shows were added, Michael told him on the phone “No more shows, Randy, no more shows…”
Then there were those former Sony executives saying how Michael told them he wouldn’t do any more touring (and he said that also in the 2007 Ebony interview, the 2003 Home Videos and other times), because they take such toll on him: he can’t eat, he can’t sleep, the adrenaline is high, the inspiration is fueled, because “my mind never stops”, because he forgets that he has to drink water for hydration because of putting all his body and soul into his work, and that “it will kill me”, and “not the way James Brown did, or Jackie Wilson did, where they just ran it out, they killed themselves. In my opinion, I wish [Brown] would have slowed down and been more relaxed and enjoyed his hard work.”

He accepted doing the shows only for his children and fans, who always begged for him to tour everywhere, from… Honolulu to Ghana, and his usual responses would be: “I love my fans”, “I’ll do my best for you”, “I am living for you and the children”, “If you’re happy, I’m happy”, etc. etc… He couldn’t say no to his fans, no to the world, no to AEG, who was up in his head threatening him which they did. He wanted to do films, and his own nephew, Austin Brown, I believe, was told by his uncle. He desperately wanted to concentrate on films and release his new album he was still working on. Kenny Ortega even admitted to pressuring Michael to eat and would help him do it, and said that he told him (Ortega) he couldn’t sleep because of getting so many ideas for the show… If a person like Michael couldn’t eat well, couldn’t sleep, was drousy, AEG didn’t do anything about it, but only did pressuring and threatening, because they wanted the money irrespective of the means to get it: “a do-or-die thing”.

Tickets for the shows started being available right after Michael’s press conference in London, when nothing was set, rehearsals only beginning in May and the shows weren’t all put together even on June 24, only a few days before going to London, and lots of problems would arise when the tickets started being sold via Viagogo and stuff + the fans’ increasing demands for more tickets being used as the sole motivation behind AEG adding many more shows to the table => all pointing to so much greed and desperation on behalf of AEG.

And when a couple of dates were postponed - not even cancelled (but eventually would have been), hell broke loose in the fandom world – which must have hit him in the heart hard (“One of my biggest fears is disappointing my fans”…) as though he didn’t have more problems than one could count: companies and people fighting among themselves for him, the ludicrous suit filed by Bain, the pressures on behalf of family to do a family concert… him working on various projects and the shows, being involved in every single aspect of it, being a parent of 3 growing children, a friend and a worrier for those he loved - which was the world. He was pulled from all directions: one human being only, regardless of how strong and magical and wonderful. He was ONE human being only.

I used to tell myself it was the ‘doctor’’s fault only, for he administered those lethal amounts, but then I also think of what this world is really like, how this world is really ruled and by what kind of forces, and how corporations are like, how powerful they can be and who they serve, and how many victims they continually make and how they’ll always play with the law and win. ONE person out of their stupid heads couldn’t just take away a guy like Michael, and we’ll all say ‘Well, it was due to an accident, a mistake, stupidity, greed’. He is directly responsible, and others are too, and are ready to devour each other as they have already started doing to save what they can of themselves, or all of themselves. Michael was not an addict, as the autopsy proved he wasn’t. He was very very strong, managing to make it to 50, but I think, because of so many continous heinous, careless pressures from all sides, he couldn’t endure that much more, his heart would have given up still... but at least this could have been postponed by even many years. Or many many years even, if these stupid This Is It shows had never existed. He was Michael Jackson – a superstar, an ‘enterprise’, a brand, a meager piece of meat, but more valuable than gold, more than he was a human being. Murray, perhaps/or most likely, is going to be exonerated, because, otherwise, too many - way too many heads would fall. And that’s not how things work in this reality, in this society. Otherwise, Michael would be still here with his children. And this great part of reality would be different.
 
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Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

He is happy because he was happy. Let me ask some of you a question and give me an honest answer. Why would AEG do the things Mrs Jackson is saying they did?
Because Michael Jackson was the BIGGEST money making human on the planet. They didnt see Michael as a human being..they saw him as a $$$. They can make it look like they cared about him..such as they tried to do in TII...but we can all see right through that. AEG had a signed contract with Michael and they were gonna make sure he fulfilled his end of it come hell or high water. Whether it killed him or not. This lawsiut Katherine has filed will make those people that have stayed silent for the last year ..have to speak up now..it will be unavoidable...we will hear more things than some of us want to hear yes. BUT we will hear things that we NEED to hear. This will bring us closer to knowing what happened to Michael. I just think some of the fans are having a hard time dealing with the truth the ACTUAL truth of what happened to Michael. Us as fans know better than anyone Michael was not a commodity to us..he was a person and human being above all else. So if this suit helps Katherine find out what happened to her dead son then ..I am all for it. I can tell ya one thing...if it was MY child that was murdered..you damn well better know I WOULD do whatever it was I had to do to find out what the hell happend to him.
 
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