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Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

“He was infuriating, manic, loving and considerate. Let me tell you a story: Michael had missed two rehearsals … the cast and crew were waiting and he was really late. He hadn’t left his house yet. So I called and yelled at him. We had a fight. He finally got there and I got there a little later. He was sitting in a chair, going over notes. He walked around the table and walked past me. But he didn’t want to be rude so he stopped. Put his arm on my shoulder, tapped it, then walked on. He was mad but he still didn’t want to be impolite. That was Michael.” – Randy Philips says in an interview.

"If Mike gets too nervous to go on, I'll throw him over my shoulder and carry him on stage. He's light enough.” => Randy Philips’ and his forceful ways again
:bugeyed

:puke:

You have a link? :scratch:



Oh God.... :cry:
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

Murray himself surely thought he was working for AEG. He asked AEG to pay for medical equipment, and did not ask Michael to pay for it. Did they know about the propofol? After such an abnormal request as "CPR equipment," wouldn't you think they'd ask, "What the HELL are you doing to Michael that you'd need such a thing?" Did they ask Murray that? Don't know.

After Michael died, Murray asked AEG to pay him. He did not ask the estate (Michael's money) to pay him anything. Was he confused, or was his understanding that he was working for AEG?

I believe he thought he worked for Michael but was being paid by AEG. There's a difference if AEG can prove paying him was only part of advance money to Michael, which Michael would reimburse from tour profits.
And yes, he did ask AEG to pay him instead of the estate, but did AEG pay?
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

I'd like to thank Ivy for excellent research. . . and balance.

There has been a lot of misinformation in this thread. Do your homework. OK? The attorney's website is easy to find on Google. Katherine is paying NOTHING for this, and this law-firm has a lot on the line. They do ONLY "contingency" lawsuits, which means that they are paid NOTHING unless they win. They have an excellent national reputation. They have a lot of money to spend on Private Investigators, expert witnesses, and whatever other background material they need. If anyone can, THEY can discover what happened to Michael. I'd expect that Michael's fans would want to know the truth, whatever it is. If not, why NOT?

This law firm is highly regarded, and is unlikely to settle out-of-court. They are trial lawyers. This case does NOT weaken the chances for Murray's conviction. This civil suit will happen after the trial, regardless, so that is a non-issue. Discuss as you will, but here are some FACTS, ok?


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Plaintiffs’ law firm Panish, Shea & Boyle works relentlessly to obtain justice for their injured clients. And they have succeeded. Indeed, there have been four personal injury jury verdicts in the State of California that have exceeded $50 million. The firm’s lawyers have obtained three of those four. Other successes include the largest single-plaintiff personal injury verdict in California history at the time ($58 million), as well as the largest products liability personal injury verdict in U.S. history at the time ($4.9 billion). The firm’s attorneys have obtained over 15 verdicts or settlements in excess of $10 million, and over 150 in excess of $1 million. The firm’s track record increases the value of all of the firm’s cases in the eyes of insurance companies, corporations, and government entities. “I often hear stories of other lawyers getting their cases settled by threatening to bring Panish, Shea & Boyle ‘into the case’,” says The Hon. Peter Polos (Ret.), who joined the firm this year after retiring from the California bench.

“Other retired Judges often inform me that our settlements get top-dollar due to the ‘Panish Premium’,” added Adam Shea, to which Polos agreed. While a Judge, Polos had watched many trial lawyers in the community, and when he was ready to step down from the bench, he “wanted to go with the best trial lawyers out there”, he said. Not many firms can offer a preview of the judicial perspective. “The addition of Judge Polos to the firm is an indication of the extra lengths we go to for our clients,” says Brian Panish.

This is all a part of PS&B’s methodical focus on seeking full compensation for those who have been catastrophically injured in plane, train, and automobile accidents, by defective products, harmful pharmaceuticals, and business fraud. Working on a contingency basis (that is, the client does not pay unless there is success), the firm represents a wide array of people and families ranging from below-the-poverty line immigrants to moguls of the entertainment industry and titans of corporate America, with the common thread being that they’ve all found themselves in the worst situation imaginable through the action (or inactions) of others.

The aggressive firm embraces trial where most others would choose to seek settlement.

The firm recently obtained a $21 million verdict for an Iraqi war vet who was injured in an automobile accident after coming home from his fourth tour of duty. “That was a case in which most firms would have taken the substantial settlement offer without trial—but we got multiples,” says Kevin Boyle. All three partners - Adam Shea, Kevin Boyle, and Brian Panish—have been selected for inclusion in the Los Angeles area’s Best Lawyers®, to add to the other accolades they’ve collected over the years. For example, the “100 Most Influential Lawyers in Nation” by The National Law Journal, Trial Lawyer of the Year by the Consumer Attorneys of Los Angeles, and the “Top 100 Lawyers in California” by the Daily Journal. The firm itself was the only Los Angeles area law firm to be named a “Top 12 Plaintiffs Law Firms in the Nation” by the NLJ.

Thank you for this Ivy & Vic
 
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He asked AEG to pay for medical equipment,
the medical equipment was requested via the emails about arranging London.. we know about the contract that was being arranged for him to be hired by AEG for london. so obviously he would be asking AEG for the equipment for its use in london.

And yes, he did ask AEG to pay him instead of the estate, but did AEG pay?
not that we know of. to our knowledge there was no contract. AEG via tmz basically told him to get lost. unless theres a seperate contract to the London one that states that for example AEG hired murray in december 08 as mjs personal dr.then that would be proof but then u would have the argument of whether mj picked him and AEG was paying in promise of recouping it from the tour. the devil would be in the detail of the contract if one excists.. . from the evidence there is at this time murray was working for mj privately and mj wanted murray for the tour so AEG started creating a contract for that. a contract that never ended up being signed by AEG or MJ cause of the 25th
 
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Thanks! :)


TW: You had a 15-year relationship with MJ. What does this project mean to you?


RP: It’s more like 20 years -- I really miss him. He was a big part of my life. He was infuriating, manic, loving and considerate. Let me tell you a story: Michael had missed two rehearsals … the cast and crew were waiting and he was really late. He hadn’t left his house yet. So I called and yelled at him. We had a fight. He finally got there and I got there a little later. He was sitting in a chair, going over notes. He walked around the table and walked past me. But he didn’t want to be rude so he stopped. Put his arm on my shoulder, tapped it, then walked on. He was mad but he still didn’t want to be impolite. That was Michael.
What????? :bugeyed I never knew that they knew each other for so long. :scratch:
 
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I believe he thought he worked for Michael but was being paid by AEG. There's a difference if AEG can prove paying him was only part of advance money to Michael, which Michael would reimburse from tour profits.
And yes, he did ask AEG to pay him instead of the estate, but did AEG pay?
NO they didn't pay because they were to busy throwing around the "Michael hired Murray" stuff...If AEG payed when Murray asked them too...then that would of been proof right there that they hired him..and NOT Michael. So I am quite sure their lawyer told them ..dont pay Murray a penny. BUT...now that this suit has been filed...like I have stated before..people who were silent..will now grow tongues...they may speak. This is a great law firm..they dont take trash cases..as we can see from their track record involving other cases. They have to have some type of evidence in their favor that will prove AEG hired Murray..otherwise...WHY even bother taking the case.??
 
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They have to have some type of evidence in their favor that will prove AEG hired Murray..otherwise...WHY even bother taking the case.??
why does any lawyer take a case that has no merit? ask the ones who worked for clients that sued mj heck there were enough of them. money lawyers are exactly that. the chance of a settlement. the publicity. time will tell if they have any evidence. but to presume there must be some evidence/truth to a lawsuit just because the suit was filed is a bit off. heck mj fans of all ppl should know that
 
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This case does not hinge on only the partially signed contract found on the seat of Murray's car. It does not hinge on whether or not Murray was paid for his services. The key element is the understanding that existed between Murray and AEG, and the nature of that understanding.

In a civil suit, the guideline for the jury is "the preponderance of evidence." (Not the "beyond reasonable doubt" that is used in a criminal trial.)

So what might the evidence be?

Murray's obvious understanding that AEG would provide him with certain things. And what ABOUT that letter requesting a "CPR machine?" Any reasonable person/corporation receiving such a request SHOULD respond by, "WHAT are you doing to Michael that you'd need such a thing!" Randy Philips said Michael had "the body of an astronaut." A person in such great health should not be at risk for cardiac arrest! Did they respond that way? Don't know.

Emails between Murray and AEG, and whether or not they indicate an employer/employee relationship.

Murray's own understanding that he'd be paid by AEG. (whether or not those costs would be reimbursed by Michael later doesn't negate an employer/employee relationship between Murray and AEG.) We know Murray had this understanding because after Michael died, he tried to extract payment from AEG. (and not from Michael's estate.)

Any conversations witnesses could testify to having about Murray's professional relationship with AEG.

There are various types of contracts that are binding, including oral agreements. Therefore, this is not only about whether or not that written contract was signed by all parties.

http://www.seniormag.com/legal/oralcontracts.htm

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Oral Contract Elements
Oral Contracts - Your Word IS Your Bond



Oral Contracts
Written contracts are usually obvious. What aren't as obvious are the contracts that we form when we speak with each other.

If you agree to do something, sell something, or buy something and someone else acts on your statement, you may have formed an enforceable contract. Things can get a bit tricky though since rules vary about what contracts can be formed verbally.

If someone does act on your statement, a contract has still not been formed if:

1. You have agreed to do something that is illegal. You cannot enforce a contract to do something that is a violation of any local, state, or federal law.
2. If the terms of the agreement were not specified. If an amount or a specific action was not indicated, you don't have a contract.
3. If one or both parties were mistaken about a fundamental part of the agreement (ex. I agreed to purchase your stereo but I thought we were talking about the big one and you thought we were talking about the small one)
4. The subject or terms of the agreement are prohibited under the law. (examples: real estate contracts must be in writing and credit card companies cannot charge 50% annual interest)


Oral Contracts in Court
Oral contracts are by definition, contracts that are verbal, not written. Therefore, the terms or even existence of these contracts are often somewhat harder to prove in court. If you were to decide to sue the other party for breach of an oral contract, you would be required to show that the oral contract exists. This may or may not be possible.


Actions can serve as corroborating evidence.
If you wrote a check to serve as a deposit or down-payment, that would be pretty incontrovertible evidence that you intended to form a contract, even if you were to put a stop-payment on it later.

When suing under an oral contract, the most critical factor is your integrity in the courtroom. The natural tendency is for most people to try to minimize or even lie about something that they may have done wrong.



But if you do lie and you get caught, there is probably very little else that will help you. This is especially true if you are the plaintiff and the other person comes across as being honest.

Other factors may also corroborate the terms or existence of an oral contract. Your level of organization, your demeanor (attitude), your ability to provide documents that would corroborate your testimony are often the proof that is necessary to win an oral contract dispute.
 
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espond by, "WHAT are you doing to Michael that you'd need such a thing!" Randy Philips said Michael had "the body of an astronaut." A person in such great health should not be at risk for cardiac arrest! Did they respond that way? Don't know.
well from googling the equipment mentioned it does look like it was obviously there as help when giving the dip if something went wrong. so thats good in going after murray in the crim trial. presume it will be brought up.u would hope so. after all its not a machine thats used say if u have a heart attack (if i have read right) u could understand equipment like that. but not what he was asking for. but according to the lawsuit AEG didnt refuse the equipement? let alone questioned it.. but as we know that was incorrect due to the equipment being wanted for use in london not L.A. Did anyone question the request? seeing as the contract wasnt even sorted i doubt it got anywhere near that far down the path. who saw the request except the guy that was emailing murray?
 
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Murray's obvious understanding that AEG would provide him with certain things.

I'm not sure about anybody else, but the OBVIOUS UNDERSTANDING that I, I'm talking about ME now, the most obvious understanding that I'm employed by somebody is the FACT that I am being paid my wages by my employer.

Why wasn't Murray being paid, if he were an employee of AEG's? They wanted him to be a part of their team SO BADLY, yet they didn't pay him one red cent. I wonder why. I guess in time we will find out.
 
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NO they didn't pay because they were to busy throwing around the "Michael hired Murray" stuff...If AEG payed when Murray asked them too...then that would of been proof right there that they hired him..and NOT Michael. So I am quite sure their lawyer told them ..dont pay Murray a penny. BUT...now that this suit has been filed...like I have stated before..people who were silent..will now grow tongues...they may speak. This is a great law firm..they dont take trash cases..as we can see from their track record involving other cases. They have to have some type of evidence in their favor that will prove AEG hired Murray..otherwise...WHY even bother taking the case.??

They took it for the same reason AEG entered into a business relationship
with Michael: POTENTIAL profit.

And also as with AEG: because its regarding the one and only Michael Jackson.
 
Re: Wrongful death lawsuits - Katherine and MJ's kids sue AEG / Murray responds to Joe's lawsuit

They took it for the same reason AEG entered into a business relationship
with Michael: POTENTIAL profit.

And also as with AEG: because its regarding the one and only Michael Jackson.
at first I thought so too...however...after reading about this firm I have educated myself in knowing that they really dont need the publicity of such a high profile case if the case could not be proved. Remember they dont get a penny..if they dont win the case. Its not like alot of other lawyers were they get 1 third right off the top. With this firm....no win..no money. I think we should have a little more faith in a firm that is intereted in helping to find out what happpend to Michael.
 
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I'm not sure about anybody else, but the OBVIOUS UNDERSTANDING that I, I'm talking about ME now, the most obvious understanding that I'm employed by somebody is the FACT that I am being paid my wages by my employer.

Why wasn't Murray being paid, if he were an employee of AEG's? They wanted him to be a part of their team SO BADLY, yet they didn't pay him one red cent. I wonder why. I guess in time we will find out.

I've got no idea why he wasn't paid. Some people are paid bi-weekly, some monthly, and when I do consulting work, I'm usually paid upon completion of the project -- which could be as long as three months. It just depends.

If I'm doing a project, I'm providing the client with a SERVICE, and the agreement is that I'll be paid on completion. Sometimes there is a written contract, and sometimes not. The WORK is part of the employment and the client benefits even before I get paid. I'm sure this situation varies depending on what kind of work it is, and what the understandings have been.
 
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Because Michael Jackson was the BIGGEST money making human on the planet. They didnt see Michael as a human being..they saw him as a $$$. They can make it look like they cared about him..such as they tried to do in TII...but we can all see right through that. AEG had a signed contract with Michael and they were gonna make sure he fulfilled his end of it come hell or high water. Whether it killed him or not. This lawsiut Katherine has filed will make those people that have stayed silent for the last year ..have to speak up now..it will be unavoidable...we will hear more things than some of us want to hear yes. BUT we will hear things that we NEED to hear. This will bring us closer to knowing what happened to Michael. I just think some of the fans are having a hard time dealing with the truth the ACTUAL truth of what happened to Michael. Us as fans know better than anyone Michael was not a commodity to us..he was a person and human being above all else. So if this suit helps Katherine find out what happened to her dead son then ..I am all for it. I can tell ya one thing...if it was MY child that was murdered..you damn well better know I WOULD do whatever it was I had to do to find out what the hell happend to him.


Mrs Jackson has every right to want to know what happened to her son but this is not the way to go about it. She wants to know what happens to her son you don't ask people who your son did not talk too. The things she is saying in her lawsuit border on funny if this was not such a serious issue. Some of the things she is saying are medically impossible and there are eye wittiness to refute the other things she is saying
 
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This law-firm has a tendency not to lose, and I doubt they would take the case if they didn't feel they had a good chance. They work only on "contingency," (see their website to confirm), so if they lose, they make nothing. Katherine isn't paying them anything. As far as this firm is concerned? They won the biggest award in U.S. history for their clients, and also the biggest in the state of California.

Murray himself surely thought he was working for AEG. He asked AEG to pay for medical equipment, and did not ask Michael to pay for it. Did they know about the propofol? After such an abnormal request as "CPR equipment," wouldn't you think they'd ask, "What the HELL are you doing to Michael that you'd need such a thing?" Did they ask Murray that? Don't know.

After Michael died, Murray asked AEG to pay him. He did not ask the estate (Michael's money) to pay him anything. Was he confused, or was his understanding that he was working for AEG?

My hunch is that Murray will plea-bargain and there will be no criminal trial. However, in a civil suit he could be required to testify.

Doubtful that the civil suit would come before the criminal trial, which takes precedence. I'm sure the law-firm will want access to some of the same evidence, which I doubt will happen if the DA is still using it.


Don't you think it would have been in poor taste to ask the esate to pay him? And no law firm is going to tell you about cases they lost every lawyer has lost at least once and I am more then sure they have too. After the story they were told I would take this case too. Because no matter what they are going to get paid. And where is the proof that Murray asked AEG to pay him?
 
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I keep coming back to this thread and keep struggling with what I want to say. I know what I believe to have happened as it relates to Michael's death but I am going to wait and see what happens in Murray's trial.

What I do want to say at this time is that we have to be careful to keep a sense of balance on this matter. Fans have differing views which is understandable but this does not have to be a black or white issue (no pun intended). Somewhere in between there is the truth.

It is very possible that Michael may not have been keen on doing 50 shows but as a professional, he would have 'sucked it up' and done his job. He would have griped about it (don't we gripe sometimes about our work situation?) some days and other days he would have felt chuffed that, after all he had been through, he could sell out 50 SHOWS at the O2.

It is possible that there were days when Michael would not have wanted to rehearse or felt he needed to rehearse (he was a human being, after all) but then there would have been days when he was excited to rehearse because some element of the show was coming together.

Randy Phillips may not have been Michael's biggest fan and they may not have the best working relationship all the time, but that does not mean that they did not respect each other or were not mature enough to work together to towards the common goal.

We are in danger of reading too much into things, PRESUMING to know how Michael felt, how he reacted, what his facial expressions and vocal intonations meant, based on what we think is the truth.

So I say - let us keep discussing this very important matter, let us keep doing our research but let us also stick to the FACTS of the case.
 
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at first I thought so too...however...after reading about this firm I have educated myself in knowing that they really dont need the publicity of such a high profile case if the case could not be proved. Remember they dont get a penny..if they dont win the case. Its not like alot of other lawyers were they get 1 third right off the top. With this firm....no win..no money. I think we should have a little more faith in a firm that is intereted in helping to find out what happpend to Michael.

You're right. I should hold off on passing judgement so early in the game. It's just that their bringing MJ's kids into this immediately has me suspect. The children certainly bring in a huge sympathy factor, which makes me believe these lawyers are willing to do just about anything to win this case (like they're alleging AEG did to get MJ on that stage).

When I think about it, Prince will most likely have to give a disposition or possibly Paris. Katherine's lawyers will use them to attest how hard MJ was working and AEG can use them to attest Murray treated one of them years ago, therefore proving MJ had an established relationship with the quack.

So this will truly indoctrinate MJ's children into his world--their first lawsuit.
 
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I keep coming back to this thread and keep struggling with what I want to say. I know what I believe to have happened as it relates to Michael's death but I am going to wait and see what happens in Murray's trial.

What I do want to say at this time is that we have to be careful to keep a sense of balance on this matter. Fans have differing views which is understandable but this does not have to be a black or white issue (no pun intended). Somewhere in between there is the truth.

It is very possible that Michael may not have been keen on doing 50 shows but as a professional, he would have 'sucked it up' and done his job. He would have griped about it (don't we gripe sometimes about our work situation?) some days and other days he would have felt chuffed that, after all he had been through, he could sell out 50 SHOWS at the O2.

It is possible that there were days when Michael would not have wanted to rehearse or felt he needed to rehearse (he was a human being, after all) but then there would have been days when he was excited to rehearse because some element of the show was coming together.

Randy Phillips may not have been Michael's biggest fan and they may not have the best working relationship all the time, but that does not mean that they did not respect each other or were not mature enough to work together to towards the common goal.

We are in danger of reading too much into things, PRESUMING to know how Michael felt, how he reacted, what his facial expressions and vocal intonations meant, based on what we think is the truth.

So I say - let us keep discussing this very important matter, let us keep doing our research but let us also stick to the FACTS of the case.

I absolutely hate this emoticon, but I think it is so appropriate in this case. SO:

:clapping::clapping::clapping:
 
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You're right. I should hold off on passing judgement so early in the game. It's just that their bringing MJ's kids into this immediately has me suspect. The children certainly bring in a huge sympathy factor, which makes me believe these lawyers are willing to do just about anything to win this case (like they're alleging AEG did to get MJ on that stage).

When I think about it, Prince will most likely have to give a disposition or possibly Paris. Katherine's lawyers will use them to attest how hard MJ was working and AEG can use them to attest Murray treated one of them years ago, therefore proving MJ had an established relationship with the quack.

So this will truly indoctrinate MJ's children into his world--their first lawsuit.
INDEED...:(

Yes, you are so right regarding Prince and Paris. If Prince was called to see his father dying and injured, They can testify both in the criminal and civil trail.
 
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It's a PR disaster , a risk too high for AEG to take.

If getting to the bottom of things and wanting to know the truth is what Katherine wants, winning the suit is not the end game for her.
Where information is only privy to AEG, a lawsuit showing probable cause is one avenue to suponea evidence via a search warrant and get yourself first hand discovery (information & evidence). Maybe Katherine already has a tip off. Just a conjecture like everyone else here. Hiring this law firm is predicated upon a grieving mum wanting closure.


This is not a PR disaster for AEG. I have seen the general reaction towards this suit and it is a PR disaster for the Jacksons. Even the media who usually dogged Michael said that the Jacksons need to quit, Michael was fine, and they need to let what was left of Michael rest in peace. They even showed clips of TII to drive this point home. People know this suit is about money and just shakes their heads at the Jacksons, so AEG has the PR advantage.

The problem is that this suit won't get passed any hearing. Before any case goes to court with a jury, a hearing is held. That is when a judge sits both parties down and listen to the argument. From there a judge decides what the suit is sound enough to go to court. That is what happened with the AGE deal. Without a contract between Michael and AGE, it died in the hearing.

The only working contract between the 3 parties was not signed by anyone except Murray. Which means they can show all the emails they wanted about AEG's intentions, but it is worthless without a contract. That is why contracts exist. AEG can also point to the lie in the suit about them chosen Murray, which is not the case since Murray has medical files from Michael dating back to 2006. This is not new information, it is in the police warrant.
 
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It is very possible that Michael may not have been keen on doing 50 shows but as a professional, he would have 'sucked it up' and done his job. He would have griped about it .


Yeh i think mike may have felt a lil guilty if he wasnt able to do the shows. But he always wanted to make sure that we were happy and he would done anything to make that happen.


I just wish mike wouldnt have felt like that. I mean heck if he decided that he didnt wanna tour or be in the music business no more, i would have been happr for him anway.
 
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- About Lawyers

Both sides have really good lawyers. Katherine's lawyers have already been mentioned. AEG's lawyers (Marvin S. Putnam and company) is also on the power lawyers list. (http://www.omm.com/newsroom/news.aspx?news=1476)
This is no small case with average lawyers.

- AEG Contract & Payroll

I personally think rather than who hired and paid (or would pay) Murray, the more important point is whether or not Michael had anything to do with Murray's hiring.

Here's a tweet from Karen Faye

@BabyGurlD Michael called me in March and asked me to work with him. Everyone was required to be under the AEG contract. Mine was 2 yrs.
6:20 PM Mar 17th via web in reply to BabyGurlD
Retweeted by 4 people
wingheart
Karen Faye

http://twitter.com/wingheart/status/10639179329

now as we can see from this bit of information although Michael personally asked her to work with him but she (and everyone) was under contract with AEG and not Michael. This makes AEG chose those people (anyone that may be) without Michael's knowledge and/or approval argument weaker but I don't know whether or not this bring the responsibility to AEG to monitor those people that they signed contracts with.

- Background of Murray

I'm not quite clear about what kind of background check needed to be done about Murray or what would be uncovered that would stop him from being hired. He was and still is a legit doctor. Of course as a cardiologist he's not the most appropriate choice to work with anesthesia / propofol, but again did AEG knew the drug being given to Michael.

- The equipment

Now I don't have a lot of medical knowledge - and please correct me if I'm wrong- Murray asked for a CPR device and a nurse. Of course a nurse would mean better watching over Michael but a CPR device is not a device used to administer or monitor propofol usage - it's a device used after the heart stops beating. It's a resuscitation equipment not a preventive equipment.

Sure a CPR device at a home setting should raise some question marks in the minds but it also doesn't automatically equal to giving propofol. Once again I cannot help but wonder what AEG really knew.

Again too many unanswered questions.
 
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- The equipment

Now I don't have a lot of medical knowledge - and please correct me if I'm wrong- Murray asked for a CPR device and a nurse. Of course a nurse would mean better watching over Michael but a CPR device is not a device used to administer or monitor propofol usage - it's a device used after the heart stops beating. It's a resuscitation equipment not a preventive equipment.

Sure a CPR device at a home setting should raise some question marks in the minds but it also doesn't automatically equal to giving propofol. Once again I cannot help but wonder what AEG really knew.

Again too many unanswered questions.


Actually, the resuscitation equipments is not that odd if you think about. Some gyms have resuscitation equipments because when you do heavy excise, you heart can unexpectedly quick. Murray could say he wanted this equipments in case Michael over work himself. If a healthy 45 years old can drop dead in a gym from a sudden heart attack, it is not hard to imagine that a doctor what life saving equipment around for a 50 years old singer who is doing heavy concerts.

But like I said, you need a contract to prove he was even working for AEG. Although, you example about Karen could also be use since it shows that they couldn't hire anyone without Michael's blessing. The contract found in Murray's car also supports this.
 
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Michael over work himself. If a healthy 45 years old can drop dead in a gym from a sudden heart attack, it is not hard to imagine that a doctor what life saving equipment around for a 50 years old singer who is doing heavy concerts.
the equipement he mentioned is used when someones gone into cardiac arrest. so theres an obvious connection to the dip. itsnt that different to someone having an heart attack for example? or is it all the same?
 
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the equipement he mentioned is used when someones gone into cardiac arrest. so theres an obvious connection to the dip. itsnt that different to someone having an heart attack for example? or is it all the same?

A cardiac arrest means your heart stop because something went wrong with the wiring of the heart. Heart attacks happens when the heart is damage of the vessels are plugged.

Cardiac arrest can kill within minutes, even if 911 is called as soon as the person collapses. CPR rarely can save a person when this happens, which is why gyms actually have special resuscitation equipments to make the odds higher that you will live. People in Michael's age range are also are in greater risk for having cardiac arrest.

Michael having the dip and having a cardiac arrest are not exactly interconnected. The drug that Michael was given stops you from breathing. It does not stop your heart. Michael died because he could not breath and therefore he would had lived if he had a breathing machine. The drugs didn't cause the cardiac arrest, but it happened because the heart didn't get enough oxygen.
 
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The heart is always the last organ to stop when a person is dying because it beats on a rhythm. As pointed out above me Propofol stops you from breathing. When a person is in the hospital and they are getting Propofol that is why they are sedated and ventilated. This is why I don't believe Michael was given this stuff six weeks before he died he would have been dead six weeks before he actually died
 
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Actually, the resuscitation equipments is not that odd if you think about. Some gyms have resuscitation equipments because when you do heavy excise, you heart can unexpectedly quick. Murray could say he wanted this equipments in case Michael over work himself. If a healthy 45 years old can drop dead in a gym from a sudden heart attack, it is not hard to imagine that a doctor what life saving equipment around for a 50 years old singer who is doing heavy concerts.

But like I said, you need a contract to prove he was even working for AEG. Although, you example about Karen could also be use since it shows that they couldn't hire anyone without Michael's blessing. The contract found in Murray's car also supports this.

No, it just shows that he asked Karen. That doesn't mean that was the case with everyone that was hired.
 
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No, it just shows that he asked Karen. That doesn't mean that was the case with everyone that was hired.


Why would that only be the case with Karen? Was Karen some kind of special exception and she was the only one he personally asked?

That also goes against the contract that AEG had that need both AEG and Michael's signature before anyone was hired.
 
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This is not a PR disaster for AEG. and they need to let what was left of Michael rest in peace. They even showed clips of TII to drive this point home. People know this suit is about money and just shakes their heads at the Jacksons, so AEG has the PR advantage..
It will not be a PR disaster IF their stance is
" We're not going anywhere, we'll ride this thing through..
we're here to defend our good name" .
Many a times corporations avoid long drawn-out civil suit battles by settling out of court.
IF they do not cop-out to monetary settlement by pre-empting any court proceedings, then it's OK.
I have seen the general reaction towards this suit and it is a PR disaster for the Jacksons. Even the media who usually dogged Michael said that the Jacksons need to quit, Michael was fine,
It will not be a PR disaster for Katherine.
A mother who's lost a son,
three kids left fatherless,
and at 12 years old, a son was made to watch his father dying at the bedside...
all of them deserve to be accorded with evey iota of the truth.
With conspiracy theories going viral & conflicting reports choking up their necks,
even if it means going the civil suit route to get it, so be it.
The problem is that this suit won't get passed any hearing.
At least let them go to due process and the chips fall whatever it may.
 
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