Update: Alejandra responds /MJ Estate asking court to remove Alejandra and her kids from Hayvenhurst

[xthunderx2]

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It's all kinda pathetic isn't it really?

yes it is. ..and Randy .Jermaine and Alejandra should all be ashamed of themselves letting it get to this point....it is disgraceful....it things like this as to why Michael kept his children far away from that circus.

 

[marc_vivien]

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[prettygirlmj]

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^ You should give a warning about that link because it has pap photos of Blanket.

As for that house, $30,000 a month? What a waste of money. Can't Katheine and the 3 kids get a smaller place in a gated community until the renovations are done? I see it as such a waste and for 4 people, do you really need a big mansion to live in? lol

 

[ilmjj]

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Wouldn't Michael have loved that house though?!
Prettygirlmj I wish would have paid attention to your warning about the picture. Seeing Blanket has grown up a little is like a knife to my heart. Michael should be here

 

[twinklEE]

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^ You should give a warning about that link because it has pap photos of Blanket.

As for that house, $30,000 a month? What a waste of money. Can't Katheine and the 3 kids get a smaller place in a gated community until the renovations are done? I see it as such a waste and for 4 people, do you really need a big mansion to live in? lol

It's Michael's money, his estate is paying the rent, his children are used to this kind of lifestyle, as long as they don't spend your money be happy and call it a day.
Besides no one else but these four people are supposed to live on that money.

 

[Petrarose]

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^ You should give a warning about that link because it has pap photos of Blanket.

As for that house, $30,000 a month? What a waste of money. Can't Katheine and the 3 kids get a smaller place in a gated community until the renovations are done? I see it as such a waste and for 4 people, do you really need a big mansion to live in? lol

Sometimes the more money we have the more we spend on basic things. On a much smaller scale, I am single and have 2 large bedrooms, 2 full bathrooms, a large livingroom/dinning area, a balcony that holds a table with 4 chairs comfortable. If I had more money, I would want a bigger place. Some people feel I should have a 1 bedroom place. I don't like being confined, and if I had the money, I would rent that big place for myself. When you make millions, 30,000 does not seem much, and they give to charity, so let them spend the money. It is no good to them once they are gone. Why leave it for Alejandra to use up.

 

[Alma]

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They're without their father now, they deserve something big to compensate for this huge loss.. I don't know... It was the same with him, to cope with the feeling of not being free, which his status and persona didn't allow him to be. Or he was buying a lot of things, Not because he was greedy - he was when it came to knowledge - , but because being hurt inside asks for certain substitutes, and shopping is a known effective compensating activity. At least these children deserve some of the same extended place, they're his and are now without him on this earth forever. I'm not too coherent right now, though, sorry..

 

[donalb]

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We also have to consider the staff and any other guests (La Toya??) who may be staying with them during the renovation

 

[prettygirlmj]

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Money or big mansions will never compensate for Michael's death. Yes, the kids live a certain lifestyle, but things change. They also lived in hotel rooms while traveling with their dad. They won't know the value of money now that Michael's not around to show them. Michael never gave into their desires as he said many times in interviews. He didn't spoil them. I remember that balloon incident with Paris and Michael refused to allow her to take the ballon even though she was crying.

My family raised us like that. Get the basics and you'll be fine. Maybe because I live underneath the poverty level (I still live in the projects, foodstamps, I go to pantries ever week - ect) I see things a bit different from you guys. If this money was going to a charity Michael liked, then it would be fine in my eyes. The estate hasn't even talked about the 20% that suppose to go to Michael's favorite charities.

I still say it's a waste of money but it's not my money so I should shut up, be happy and call it a day right?

 

[mijaons]

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They're without their father now, they deserve something big to compensate for this huge loss.. I don't know... It was the same with him, to cope with the feeling of not being free, which his status and persona didn't allow him to be. Or he was buying a lot of things, Not because he was greedy - he was when it came to knowledge - , but because being hurt inside asks for certain substitutes, and shopping is a known effective compensating activity. At least these children deserve some of the same extended place, they're his and are now without him on this earth forever. I'm not too coherent right now, though, sorry..

OT: I always thought on similar lines about his spending habits. See, I think Michael was in his way, an extremely spiritual person. So I always used to wonder why he was also materialistic. He's such a bundle of contradictions. Shopping was definitely one of his ways to fill some emptiness in his life. He also had a need, I think, to always be perceived as this megastar and wanted to maintain his lifestyle to reflect that no matter what. At the end of the day I think he'd have no problem managing in a studio, but he was very ambitious and that got in the way. I don't meant that as a bad thing - if he weren't that ambitious, he would not have reached were he did. You need enormous drive and ambition can provide that.

 

[twinklEE]

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My family raised us like that. Get the basics and you'll be fine. Maybe because I live underneath the poverty level (I still live in the projects, foodstamps, I go to pantries ever week - ect) I see things a bit different from you guys. If this money was going to a charity Michael liked, then it would be fine in my eyes. The estate hasn't even talked about the 20% that suppose to go to Michael's favorite charities.

So what about all the other wealthy ppl i.g celebs etc who spend their money left right and center? Why don't you go after them? Regardless of gifts, etc Michael and his children lived a lifestyle you and I will never be able to live. And let me tell you something, you I'm not wealthy either I live with a mother who's earnign minimum wage only, and I still don't agree with your views. I know for a fact that if I had more money I'd be spending more, I'd be living the way I want to live, I'd be buying whatever I want to buy and you regardless of your upbringing would be doing the same. No doubts about it.

but it's not my money so I should shut up, be happy and call it a day right?

yes

 

[Memefan]

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Money or big mansions will never compensate for Michael's death. Yes, the kids live a certain lifestyle, but things change. They also lived in hotel rooms while traveling with their dad. They won't know the value of money now that Michael's not around to show them. Michael never gave into their desires as he said many times in interviews. He didn't spoil them. I remember that balloon incident with Paris and Michael refused to allow her to take the ballon even though she was crying.

My family raised us like that. Get the basics and you'll be fine. Maybe because I live underneath the poverty level (I still live in the projects, foodstamps, I go to pantries ever week - ect) I see things a bit different from you guys. If this money was going to a charity Michael liked, then it would be fine in my eyes. The estate hasn't even talked about the 20% that suppose to go to Michael's favorite charities.

I still say it's a waste of money but it's not my money so I should shut up, be happy and call it a day right?

After probate

So what about all the other wealthy ppl i.g celebs etc who spend their money left right and center? Why don't you go after them? Regardless of gifts, etc Michael and his children lived a lifestyle you and I will never be able to live. And let me tell you something, you I'm not wealthy either I live with a mother who's earnign minimum wage only, and I still don't agree with your views. I know for a fact that if I had more money I'd be spending more, I'd be living the way I want to live, I'd be buying whatever I want to buy and you regardless of your upbringing would be doing the same. No doubts about it.

yes

i agree mostly.

MJ left 20% to charities...his kids should enjoy the $$ he left them. i think the high price is reflective of the neighbourhood, this is a celeb-heavy gated community.

These kids need privacy...even though Randy jackson & his X17 buddies don't seem to understand that.

 

[Ohood]

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@ prettygirlmj ...can u please tell me more about the ballon story , i have not read this before !

 

[Sophielo]

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@ prettygirlmj ...can u please tell me more about the ballon story , i have not read this before !

Michael and the kids were staying at the Dorchester back in 2005/6. They were holding a charity event that day and there were balloons set up in the foyer. Paris asked the hotel staff for one and they got one down for her. Michael then told her she couldn't have it as he said it wasn't her's to have. He told her that he loved her but she can't get what she wants all the time and take things that are meant for other people. She started crying in the hall but Michael stuck to his guns and gave it back to the hotel staff.

 

[prettygirlmj]

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So what about all the other wealthy ppl i.g celebs etc who spend their money left right and center? Why don't you go after them? Regardless of gifts, etc Michael and his children lived a lifestyle you and I will never be able to live. And let me tell you something, you I'm not wealthy either I live with a mother who's earnign minimum wage only, and I still don't agree with your views. I know for a fact that if I had more money I'd be spending more, I'd be living the way I want to live, I'd be buying whatever I want to buy and you regardless of your upbringing would be doing the same. No doubts about it.

yes

This is a Michael Jackson board - therefore I don't need to talk about other celebrities who are overspending their money. And I am not going after anyone. I was just expressing my opinion.

As for the bolded - you ASSUME too much. You don't know me nor do you live inside me to blatantly say what I would do with money like that. I know what I would do (NO DOUBT) with money like that. Concidering the FACT that even with little money we have in our home, we all donate to The Red Cross monthly as well as St Jude's Hospital with the extra's we have. I know without A DOUBT that if I had the kind of money to pay $30,000 for rent, I would more then happily give that kind of money - full - to charities. I don't know how you were raised, but not all family were raise like that or have that kind of mentality that you have.

twinklEE, you need to sit down and stop acting like a know it all. Newsflash - you DON'T know it all.

That's the last I will say in this matter and the last time I speak with you. I will make full use of the ignore button for now on.

P. S. To those who agreed with me and gave me positive reputations - thanks.

 

[twinklEE]

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So their not dontating? didnt their father donate enough money through his lifetime?
Why are you blatantly ignoring Memefan's post which said that money will go to charities after probate, ? Oh yeah it's easier to pick and choose I forgot.
I do NOT know you, nor live in ur head but I never claimed it anyways,
So you should stop claiming things I never said, I still stick to my opinion , anyone who'd have the opportunity to have more money, would live differently, that doesn't mean they wouldn't donate to charity, People with money are entitled to lead a luxurious life that doesn't make them selfish, insensitive or stuck up. Michael didn't live in an one bed room apartment, he did spend a lot of money for houses, cars, and shopping in general and you know what? He STILL donated to the poor. He did both, again it's their money they can spend it on whatever they want, whether you like it not,
Most people would spend more if they had more it's human nature.
As for you, I guess your one of the few who would still live the way you do, .well good for you if u are able to overcome the temptations of money
But most ppl are not like this period.


Newsflash to you., I NEVER CLAIMED I KNEW IT ALL
You go ahead and use that ignore button darlin', cuz I know that I'm doing the exact same thing right after this post, for the sake of my own sanity.

 

[Sophielo]

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That's enough. Stop now or the thread closes.

 

[StaceyMJ]

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This thread needs to get back on topic. It's about Alejandra being asked to leave Hayvenhurst and nothing else. Thanks.

 

[Ohood]

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Michael and the kids were staying at the Dorchester back in 2005/6. They were holding a charity event that day and there were balloons set up in the foyer. Paris asked the hotel staff for one and they got one down for her. Michael then told her she couldn't have it as he said it wasn't her's to have. He told her that he loved her but she can't get what she wants all the time and take things that are meant for other people. She started crying in the hall but Michael stuck to his guns and gave it back to the hotel staff.

thax alot !

MJ knew alot of Holywood lost souls and did not want his kids to be like them !

 

[max000]

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This is so wrong, if true. Can't believe Katherine will allow this to become reality.
These kids are flesh and blood. There is more than enough money to support a small nation. I don't buy TMZ reports that the grand kids are thugs. Seems to me they are all intelligent well adjusted kids and damn good for PPB.

For the first time extremely disappointed in the estate. Not going to go over well that Branca, Mclain, an army of lawyers and god knows who else are pocketing boat loads of MJ'S money and his nieces and nephews can't get crumbs.

 

[Justthefacts]

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This is so wrong, if true. Can't believe Katherine will allow this to become reality.
These kids are flesh and blood. There is more than enough money to support a small nation. I don't buy TMZ reports that the grand kids are thugs. Seems to me they are all intelligent well adjusted kids and damn good for PPB.

For the first time extremely disappointed in the estate. Not going to go over well that Branca, Mclain, an army of lawyers and god knows who else are pocketing boat loads of MJ'S money and his nieces and nephews can't get crumbs.

The estate is not for the nieces and nephews. Branca and McClain are not there for the nieces and nephews they are there for Michael's children and his Mother. Everyone else you either take care of yourself or your parents need to take care of there own. Are you kidding why should they are care about anyone else's kids but Michael's?

 

[Memefan]

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:wub:

This is so wrong, if true. Can't believe Katherine will allow this to become reality.
These kids are flesh and blood. There is more than enough money to support a small nation. I don't buy TMZ reports that the grand kids are thugs. Seems to me they are all intelligent well adjusted kids and damn good for PPB.

For the first time extremely disappointed in the estate. Not going to go over well that Branca, Mclain, an army of lawyers and god knows who else are pocketing boat loads of MJ'S money and his nieces and nephews can't get crumbs.

you can always empty your bank account to support them. Last time i checked the nieces & nephews aren't orphans.

:smilerolleyes:

The estate wasn't left to any other Jacksons but MJ's kids, Katherine & charities.

Therefore the only CRUMBS they should get is whatever Prince, Paris & Blanket give them in....26, 27 & 31 years.

This is a Michael Jackson board - therefore I don't need to talk about other celebrities who are overspending their money. And I am not going after anyone. I was just expressing my opinion.

As for the bolded - you ASSUME too much. You don't know me nor do you live inside me to blatantly say what I would do with money like that. I know what I would do (NO DOUBT) with money like that. Concidering the FACT that even with little money we have in our home, we all donate to The Red Cross monthly as well as St Jude's Hospital with the extra's we have. I know without A DOUBT that if I had the kind of money to pay $30,000 for rent, I would more then happily give that kind of money - full - to charities. I don't know how you were raised, but not all family were raise like that or have that kind of mentality that you have.

twinklEE, you need to sit down and stop acting like a know it all. Newsflash - you DON'T know it all.

That's the last I will say in this matter and the last time I speak with you. I will make full use of the ignore button for now on.

P. S. To those who agreed with me and gave me positive reputations - thanks.

MJ paid close to 20Mil for his home ...with all the luxuries he added, the value was over 100Mil at the time of his passing. was he a bad person for wasting 20Mil++++ on a house?

There is a reason why there is a financial & credit crisis...If people are spending BEYOND their means why can't those that do have the means not spend it however the see fit.

You better believe if the estate had rented an average apartment people would be all in arms...criticizing them for not spending enough money on the beneficiaries.

Like MJ sand...one "can't win"...



#theend

 

[max000]

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Can't agree with the cruel talk directed at innocent kids. Majority of people i know help their families and mere strangers too. And that's the way it should be.!!!

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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what happened to the parents of those kids,can't they support their own children ?
not to mention they are earning well right now.their is no cruel talk towards the kids ,it is all directed to their lazy parents. in which world 80 yr old grand maa has to support whole family when she have like 8 kids of her own who are in their fifties and sixties?
can see u don't feel bad for 3 orphans but feel bad for other kids ,talk about priorities and feeling.smh

 

[max000]

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It's well documented that grandparents all over the world are raising their grand kids, because the parents abandoned, or were incapable of taking care of them.

So we have dead beat parents. The solution is punish the kids, your own flesh and blood.??? Freaking unbelievable.!!!!!! Stunned disbelief that this comes from MICHEAL JACKSON'S fan base.

 

[StaceyMJ]

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It's well documented that grandparents all over the world are raising their grand kids, because the parents abandoned, or were incapable of taking care of them.

So we have dead beat parents. The solution is punish the kids, your own flesh and blood.??? Freaking unbelievable.!!!!!! Stunned disbelief that this comes from MICHEAL JACKSON'S fan base.

Oh man, with all due respect I think you might have taken what people here have been saying in the wrong way.
We don't know what is happening in that house and that is a fact. If there is a reason that means it would be better for them to move out of the house, then that is for the best. They are not being chucked out, they were offered a condo. Nobody wants to see them homeless, just wondering why they are so resistant in moving out. That is all.

 

[twinklEE]

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It's well documented that grandparents all over the world are raising their grand kids, because the parents abandoned, or were incapable of taking care of them.

So we have dead beat parents. The solution is punish the kids, your own flesh and blood.??? Freaking unbelievable.!!!!!! Stunned disbelief that this comes from MICHEAL JACKSON'S fan base.

It's not orphaned kids, responsibility to take care of their three grown cousins nor of the two minors. It's their parents responsibility period. Nor is it the responsibility of a dead man to support someone else's child after he has deceased. Katherine is more than welcome to take care of these 5 shared grandchildren of which both of her sons fathered with the same woman, but she should do this with her own savings (yeah right I forgot Katherine ran to court barely 3 weeks after Michael's death demanding money as Michael was her sole source of income other than some tiny retirement pay check)
or ask her millionaire daughter to chip in order to support her 5 shared grandchildren who were fathered by both of her son's.
And there is always option C left, you donate your money to them as it seems to pain you so so much.
Michael and his kids don't owe anyone a dime nor are they responsible for anyone.

 

[CherubimII]

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It's not orphaned kids, responsibility to take care of their three grown cousins nor of the two minors. It's their parents responsibility period. Nor is it the responsibility of a dead man to support someone else's child after he has deceased. Katherine is more than welcome to take care of these 5 shared grandchildren of which both of her sons fathered with the same woman, but she should do this with her own savings (yeah right I forgot Katherine ran to court barely 3 weeks after Michael's death demanding money as Michael was her sole source of income other than some tiny retirement pay check)
or ask her millionaire daughter to chip in order to support her 5 shared grandchildren who were fathered by both of her son's.
And there is always option C left, you donate your money to them as it seems to pain you so so much.
Michael and his kids don't owe anyone a dime nor are they responsible for anyone.

Well said. :agree:

 

[Sophielo]

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It's not orphaned kids, responsibility to take care of their three grown cousins nor of the two minors. It's their parents responsibility period. Nor is it the responsibility of a dead man to support someone else's child after he has deceased. Katherine is more than welcome to take care of these 5 shared grandchildren of which both of her sons fathered with the same woman, but she should do this with her own savings (yeah right I forgot Katherine ran to court barely 3 weeks after Michael's death demanding money as Michael was her sole source of income other than some tiny retirement pay check)
or ask her millionaire daughter to chip in order to support her 5 shared grandchildren who were fathered by both of her son's.
And there is always option C left, you donate your money to them as it seems to pain you so so much.
Michael and his kids don't owe anyone a dime nor are they responsible for anyone.

Blanket has no legal mother so technically he is an orphan but Prince and Paris are not, they do have a mother, just one that doesn't really want anything to do with them. But I do agree with what you're saying, it's not the Estate's responsibility to look after the other grandkids. Only two of the other kids are under 18-Katherine doesn't even have to be offering them all a condo but she is, she's not leaving them on the street. In the end of the day the Estate are now in charge until the kids reach a certain age and until then their duty is to look after the beneficiaries, no one else.

 

[twinklEE]

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Blanket has no legal mother so technically he is an orphan but Prince and Paris are not, they do have a mother, just one that doesn't really want anything to do with them. But I do agree with what you're saying, it's not the Estate's responsibility to look after the other grandkids. Only two of the other kids are under 18-Katherine doesn't even have to be offering them all a condo but she is, she's not leaving them on the street. In the end of the day the Estate are now in charge until the kids reach a certain age and until then their duty is to look after the beneficiaries, no one else.

I know this myself, but considering how troubled this whole Debbie Rowe situation is it's reasonable to call them orphans especially since they only had ONE parent raising them. Being with them, feeding them, etc. Debbie Rowe was basically almost a surrogate this is why I called them a 'orphans'
And the reason why I call them orphans is that they only had Michael, just solely Michael,, and that Michael is not here anymore.