Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / Trial date April 2, 2013

[classic]

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Right. We'll probably never know for sure. And yes, it was a fan video, probably taken unobtrusively on a cell phone or small camcorder? (the quality wasn't very sharp.) Audio was clear enough, though. Some of us on here saw it, but before anyone could capture it, it was taken down. Right. I don't see how there could have been any copyright infringement -- there was no music or anything like that -- just Michael talking to a small group of fans.

And yes, the contract. . . .

While there are parts of the contract that may or may not have been the best, I sometimes wonder what specifically do people actually object to about the contract or is it that others, such as some in the family or their associates, have said that the contract is horrible. Of course the company was going for all that they could, which is why I would think that Michael would have had several looking into the terms to make sure that he got all that he could.

I still have a hard time believing that Michael wouldn't know what he was obligated to in the contract. When talking about this lawsuit or any of the other stuff surrounding these concerts, I think that people have got to really be specific about what is being seen as this or that. That lack of specificity is one of the things that AEG and Ortega have been able to hammer in their responses.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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I know that people use assets as collatoral. Not stupid. What is with the smart-alecky replies that people feel they have to give. Good grief!

My point was that people keep acting as if the catalogs, etc. have never been put up as collatoral before.

thought u were asking a question hence the ? in your statement

 

[yaazgurl]

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I've never heard this video that you guys are referring to. Can Michael be heard saying he only agreed to 10 shows? If so this makes me even angrier at AEG.

 

[Sophielo]

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I've never heard this video that you guys are referring to. Can Michael be heard saying he only agreed to 10 shows? If so this makes me even angrier at AEG.

There was a video that surfaced on YT where Michael was talking to a group of fans and said that he went to bed and there were 10 shows. When he woke up there were 50. The video was taken down, not sure how though as its a fan video, there was no music or anything, but it was taken down. There's where its all murky as Michael did sign a contract for more than ten shows: minimum requirement 18 with the possibility of adding shows with the artists consent. So we're never going to know for sure.

 

[StaceyMJ]

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So surely the fan still has that video somewhere?

 

[Graf]

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There was a video that surfaced on YT where Michael was talking to a group of fans and said that he went to bed and there were 10 shows. When he woke up there were 50. The video was taken down, not sure how though as its a fan video, there was no music or anything, but it was taken down. There's where its all murky as Michael did sign a contract for more than ten shows: minimum requirement 18 with the possibility of adding shows with the artists consent. So we're never going to know for sure.

That's very interesting, I would like to see that video...

 

[Vici]

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Do we know for a fact that Londell McMillian was not ONE of the attorneys who looked over the contract in question. I seem to recall that there were MANY attorneys who looked over the documents before Michael signed them, but I don't recall ever seeing a "list" of names for those attorneys.

I "think" Londell McMillian and Michael were still on good terms during that time period, so who knows.

Im pretty sure Londell worked with Michael from 2006 - january 2009. This article below claims that it was Peter Lopez who managed the AEG shows.

Michael wanted to do something for his Spanish speaking audience whom he loved very much", explains Peter Lopez, a Mexican-American lawyer, who orchestrated Michael Jackson's comeback. Darius Jordi Lassus, President and CEO of IMC Records adds, "in the past three years, Peter Lopez helped Michael Jackson launch the Life Water "Thrillicious" Super Bowl ad featuring Naomi Campbell, the release of "Thriller 25" (the 25th Anniversary edition of the biggest selling album in music history with new mixes featuring Wil.i.am, Kanye West, Akon and Fergie), "Thriller the Musical", the "This Is It" tour with AEG and an MJ inspired clothing line with Christian Audigier, you simply couldn't stop them, they were on fire."
http://www.blackvibes.com/features/news/michael-jackson-was-planning-record-spanish-king-po/

That's always going to be something we will never really know the truth on. Yes we had that video that myseriously got taken down, despite it being a fan video, no copyright infringement whatsoever.

Right. We'll probably never know for sure. And yes, it was a fan video, probably taken unobtrusively on a cell phone or small camcorder? (the quality wasn't very sharp.)

One of the so called follower fans have claimed it was a paparazzi that shot that video of Michael and the fans when he said that.. it was not a fan video according to her.

 

[StaceyMJ]

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One of the so called follower fans have claimed it was a paparazzi that shot that video of Michael and the fans when he said that.. it was not a fan video according to her.

That would make more sense why it's no longer around.

 

[TarinJade]

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If I remember correctly, didn't the message on YouTube say "Video removed by Sony?"

 

[ivy]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / AEG wants case dismissed / Ortega wants to be removed as a defen

Katherine Jackson: AEG Was Reckless with MJ's Life


Katherine Jackson has just filed legal docs claiming AEG was well aware ... there were life-threatening activities going down at Michael Jackson's house ... yet the company turned a blind eye.


Katherine is challenging AEG's motion to dismiss the wrongful death lawsuit against the company.

In her docs, Katherine says AEG retained Dr. Conrad Murray for an "exorbitant salary of $150,000 monthly," and in return Murray agreed to "get Jackson to attend rehearsals and perform."

Katherine's lawyers claim it should have been obvious to AEG when Murray requested CPR equipment at MJ's home that "the medical treatments being administered risked stopping Jackson's heart and breathing."

Katherine's lawyer continues, "This is hardly the type of risk expected in an ordinary house visit from a family doctor."

The lawyers claim, "AEG should have known that the course of treatment being administered by Dr. Murray was unorthodox and unsafe."

http://www.tmz.com/2011/01/21/kathe...murray-aeg-propofol-home-care-wrongful-death/

 

[Justthefacts]

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Frank Dileo is the one who negotiated Murray's salary not AEG. And Frank was working for Michael not AEG. And he requested that equipment for London there are emails that confirm that I believe. And once again I will point out that AEG nor Michael signed Murray's contract or paid him a dime despite Murray emailing AEG his bank account information. And we have gone from they knew what he was doing to they should have known.

 

[Memefan]

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Katherine's lawyer continues, "This is hardly the type of risk expected in an ordinary house visit from a family doctor."

Murray had been MJ's personal doctor for 2/3 years prior to 2009.

This lawsuit is another money grab...and I expect it to fail. So nice try Randy Jackson.

 

[Big Apple2]

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First of all, in my opinion, Katherine needs to STOP saying that "AEG retained Murray." We know that Murray was NEVER retained by AEG. We also know that Murray was NEVER paid by AEG.

Secondly, if I recall correctly, the equipment Murray requested was to be used in London, NOT in California.

Thirdly, if SHE didn't know what was going on inside of Michael's bedroom, how does she expect AEG to know? It's not like she was a stranger to his home.

I believe Katherine said that she was at Michael's crib a few weeks before June 25th, did she go up to his bedroom and observe anything out of the ordinary.

I don't believe that AEG was responsible for knowing EVERYTHING that was going on in Michael's home or in Michael's life. He was a 50 YEAR-OLD man after all. A 50 year-old man, who I'm sure, had no problem saying: "mind your business, I know what I'm doing."

I'm no legal expert, but in my opinion, Katherine's argument is not strong at all. Saying somebody "should have known" what a grown man was doing in the privacy of his home, is a stretch, in my opinion.

 

[StacyJ]

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well although I see Katherine's attorney blaming AEG, I also question them and Frank Dileo as MJ's manager. They both knew how much Murray was asking for financially and neither didn't have a clue what 'medical services' he was offering? I find that odd.. They didn't interview him or question him one bit about what he would be doing to MJ? There is no way in hell he would be offering fruit juices and other forms of dehydration drinks for $150,000.00 per month. When he started asking for insane money like that red flags should've been raised in my opinion.

 

[Justthefacts]

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Because whatever he was doing was none of there business. You ever hear of patient doctor confidentiality? Murray did not have to tell them anything about his treatments even if they asked. This bastard was leaving his practice his work to go on tour with someone of course he was going to be paid a lot of money. Lets not forget he wanted millions but was told no. Stop trying to blame others for what Conrad Murray did

 

[Big Apple2]

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well although I see Katherine's attorney blaming AEG, I also question them and Frank Dileo as MJ's manager. They both knew how much Murray was asking for financially and neither didn't have a clue what 'medical services' he was offering? I find that odd.. They didn't interview him or question him one bit about what he would be doing to MJ? There is no way in hell he would be offering fruit juices and other forms of dehydration drinks for $150,000.00 per month. When he started asking for insane money like that red flags should've been raised in my opinion.

In my opinion, they were concerned about that money Murray was asking for and that's why they didn't hire him.

If they were so gung-ho about Murray they would have given him anything his heart desired. Katherine keeps trying to say that they knew and approved of Murray actions, well if that's true, why didn't that PAY Murray for doing what they wanted.

I said it before and I'll say it again: AEG was never going to hire Murray. They were going to STALL until the last minute and once they got to London, they would have tried to get Michael to hire a local doctor at a more reasonable price.

 

[Soundmind]

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Because whatever he was doing was none of there business. You ever hear of patient doctor confidentiality? Murray did not have to tell them anything about his treatments even if they asked. This bastard was leaving his practice his work to go on tour with someone of course he was going to be paid a lot of money. Lets not forget he wanted millions but was told no. Stop trying to blame others for what Conrad Murray did

stop making sense -_-

 

[Memefan]

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well although I see Katherine's attorney blaming AEG, I also question them and Frank Dileo as MJ's manager. They both knew how much Murray was asking for financially and neither didn't have a clue what 'medical services' he was offering? I find that odd.. They didn't interview him or question him one bit about what he would be doing to MJ? There is no way in hell he would be offering fruit juices and other forms of dehydration drinks for $150,000.00 per month. When he started asking for insane money like that red flags should've been raised in my opinion.

Last i checked MJ was 50..not 5.

He did not have to tell anyone what his doctor was doing. Katherine claimed last time she was at MJ's house before june 25th. He took her upstairs to his bedroom because he wanted to show her the new projector & the film (thriller 3d??) they were working on for the tour.

While in the bedroom, did she notice anything out of the ordinary???

BTW, imho Katherine has very little to do with the lawsuit..it's all Randy.

 

[twinklEE]

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of course this is all Steven's doing

 

[StacyJ]

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of course this is all Steven's doing

I agree.. Randy knows AEG is the only spot he can get money from

 

[xthunderx2]

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I agree.. Randy knows AEG is the only spot he can get money from

exactly..ole waterhead surly is behind this..

 

[Sophielo]

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Katherine's lawsuit isn't going to go anywhere and its a waste of time. The emails that came out with Murray asking for life saving medical equipment was not for Michael's house, this was a request for the tour which is a legal requirement made by insurance companies. In a performer over the age of 50 going on a tour it is by law that life saving medical equipment must be provided. The Rolling Stones had to have this equipment when they went on tour. IT IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT SAID PERSON IS A DRUG ADDICT. ITS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. AEG did noy provide the equipment for Michael's house as they were not asked for it for his home. They were asked for it for London. This is what proves Murray was the only one at fault. He knew that he didn't have the life saving equipment needed when administering propofol at Michael's home, and admitted this by email, but he went ahead and did it anyway.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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maybe AEG can sue the jacksons seeing as they were is family and should have known what murray was doing? just a thought!

 

[Ramona122003]

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Katherine's lawsuit isn't going to go anywhere and its a waste of time. The emails that came out with Murray asking for life saving medical equipment was not for Michael's house, this was a request for the tour which is a legal requirement made by insurance companies. In a performer over the age of 50 going on a tour it is by law that life saving medical equipment must be provided. The Rolling Stones had to have this equipment when they went on tour. IT IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT SAID PERSON IS A DRUG ADDICT. ITS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. AEG did noy provide the equipment for Michael's house as they were not asked for it for his home. They were asked for it for London. This is what proves Murray was the only one at fault. He knew that he didn't have the life saving equipment needed when administering propofol at Michael's home, and admitted this by email, but he went ahead and did it anyway.

Hey Sophielo,


I actually did not know that. No one has ever said it was a legal requirement to bring medical equipment on tour. I just thought it could be a just in case issue, like putting those heart machines in gyms.

Thank you for the information.

Oh and elusive, I do find it a double standard too that AEG should had know about Michael's treatment, but his own mother, who he saw just over a week before his death, didn't see anything. Even worst, his family didn't acknowledge or even know about the extent of his sleep problem.

 

[StacyJ]

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Hey Sophielo,

Oh and elusive, I do find it a double standard too that AEG should had know about Michael's treatment, but his own mother, who he saw just over a week before his death, didn't see anything. Even worst, his family didn't acknowledge or even know about the extent of his sleep problem.

I totally agree.. Why is Katherine blaming AEG when she should look in her own mirror. She had just seen him a week before according to her. She didn't notice his weight loss or the fact that he looked tired or worn out? Her being his mother and allegedly the closest one to him in the family, why didn't she know that her own son had sleep problems so severe that he was wanting to be knocked out unconscious for it. None of the family knew doesn't that tell you something? Maybe if she was close to her grandkids maybe they would've mentioned Daddy's doctor Dr Murray coming over to 'treat' Daddy. Katherine admitted she wasn't even close to MJ's kids. It's just sad all the way around. Joe said that he told Katherine that she needed to check on Michael because he didn't look right to him and he looked sort of frail. Why didn't Katherine go over there?

 

[twinklEE]

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maybe AEG can sue the jacksons seeing as they were is family and should have known what murray was doing? just a thought!

lol...........

 

[StacyJ]

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maybe AEG can sue the jacksons seeing as they were is family and should have known what murray was doing? just a thought!

True.. AEG could reverse this scenario and say to Katherine and the Jackson family,'why didn't you guys tell us after MJ announced the 02 concerts that you believed he was a drug addict and was too frail to tour. Why didn't you tell us all of that and we could've cancelled these shows until MJ got treatment for his addiction'.

I wonder how Katherine would answer that?

 

[bluetopez]

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True.. AEG could reverse this scenario and say to Katherine and the Jackson family,'why didn't you guys tell us after MJ announced the 02 concerts that you believed he was a drug addict and was too frail to tour. Why didn't you tell us all of that and we could've cancelled these shows until MJ got treatment for his addiction'.

I wonder how Katherine would answer that?

Hmmm...:scratch: let me see wasn't the family trying to get MJ to do a reunion tour with them all...? Why, Yes they were! Even Janet said so on LKL!-_-

Interesting, how sick the family thought MJ was for "This Is It" but, healthy enough to tour with them!:mello: Nice! SMH

 

[StacyJ]

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Hmmm...:scratch: let me see wasn't the family trying to get MJ to do a reunion tour with them all...? Why, Yes they were! Even Janet said so on LKL!-_-

Interesting, how sick the family thought MJ was for "This Is It" but, healthy enough to tour with them!:mello: Nice! SMH

Of course they were bluetopez, that's why the family have absolutely no credibility. Janet was talking about conference calls with her brothers but they were waiting for one member and he was on the fence because he wanted to do his own thing. This was in 2008.. We all know she was talking about MJ. So they were all willing for their 'sick and addicted' brother to go on the ALLGOOD family reunion tour with them but for AEG he wasn't well enough? Mind you in 2008 I guess after MJ said no, Janet went on her own rockwitchu tour which she cancelled kind of early due to 'vertigo'

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Katherine & MJ's kids sue AEG / AEG wants case dismissed / Ortega wants to be removed / KJ respo

Katherine's lawsuit isn't going to go anywhere and its a waste of time. The emails that came out with Murray asking for life saving medical equipment was not for Michael's house, this was a request for the tour which is a legal requirement made by insurance companies. In a performer over the age of 50 going on a tour it is by law that life saving medical equipment must be provided. The Rolling Stones had to have this equipment when they went on tour. IT IS NOT AN INDICATION THAT SAID PERSON IS A DRUG ADDICT. ITS A LEGAL REQUIREMENT. AEG did noy provide the equipment for Michael's house as they were not asked for it for his home. They were asked for it for London. This is what proves Murray was the only one at fault. He knew that he didn't have the life saving equipment needed when administering propofol at Michael's home, and admitted this by email, but he went ahead and did it anyway.

Thanks for this equipment information. I did not know about it, and by the way notice people never say that the Rolling Stones are too old to tour, etc. Now think of all the negative backlash Michael got from the media when they found out about his tour.

I really do not see how AEG will lose this case unless, the family has some inside information that we do not know about.