Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25 Interview Post 208

[max000]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

speaking of that interview on GMA..the way Katherine said..they go to public school now...they have always been home schooled. I truly believe that those kids are as smart as they as BECAUSE Michael home schooled them..he took them places to educate them that NO public school would take them. To me it was the way she said it like....ooooo..they were home schooled...I felt like saying...SO WHAT..atleast when Michael was here he wasn't exploiting them for a fake charity...and he didnt sign a contract with scum like Mann. That part of the interview really bugged me.

Are we going over every word, every movement with a microscope.? Stop looking for what's not there. Katherine is just a grandma, proud of her grand kids. You know she gives plenty credit to MJ.

 

[bluetopez]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Joe Also implied that the kids did not have friends before MJ died! That now they do being with their cousins after MJ past! Which I thought was pure B.S cause MJ kids would hangout with Lester kids all the time and Malnik kids as well before his death!

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Joe Also implied that the kids did not have friends before MJ died! That now they do being with their cousins after MJ past! Which I thought was pure B.S cause MJ kids would hangout with Lester kids all the time and Malnik kids as well before his death!

Every body wants to take credit for the good parenting Michael did.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Well you know from the belts to this contract with Mann. That last thing she should say is that the kids are flourishing under her care. I am sorry Mrs Jackson but no

 

[max000]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

"In other words MICHEAL JACKSON the man we claim to love and honor so much was dead wrong on every count. Wrong for loving and trusting his mom more than any other (excluding kids) Wrong for appointing his mom to care for his kids. Wrong for leaving the bulk share of his estate to his mom. Just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG every which way.!!!!

So what are we really saying about MICHEAL JACKSON.????"

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I think perhaps Michael made sure that since he was leaving custody of his children to his mother, so it was imperative that she not have a single financial worry in terms of taking care of them and herself.

And he kept her away from Michael Jackson the Brand because he knew that she would not be able to manage it and those she may choose to manage would only mess things up.

That is my analysis.

I do not think (and I cannot know for sure) that Michael expected his mother to disregard how he raised his children and to tie them to a contract for life to make money that neither she nor his children need!

And I am pretty sure he did not leave the bulk share of his estate to her.

Agree, Katherine should be no where near MJ'S estate unless she is a buisness whiz with off the charts skill sets. Admit i don't know the details of this supposed contract with the kids. But not worried one bit. Those kids will have enough MONEY and POWER to make that contract dissappear in a hollywood minute.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Let's see? There was the "taser incident," and the investigation by DCFS. There are the other grandkids living there, and not being supported by their own fathers. How about teaming up with a pornographer? How about defying the estate's own wishes, and continuing to try to sell "Michael products?" How about dressing the children up in t-shirts promoting a charity that is the subject of a lawsuit? How about hawking a book full of recycled Michael-photos to fans? My GOD, when does this woman have time to bake COOKIES!

By defying the estate and their exclusive ownership of Michael's brand/image, she is potentially taking money that the estate could make for the CHILDREN! (I wonder if the kids got paid for the GMA interview, and where that money went? Or was it just Katherine who got paid for that?)

I think when the children first went into her custody, nearly ALL fans wished her well and were fully supportive, and if they are not now, then who's fault, exactly, IS that? One mistake that nearly the entire family makes is thinking that Michael's fans transfer automatically to THEM now that Michael is gone. It simply doesn't work that way.

I hope the executors take some action to at least have those kids' photos removed from the HTW web-site. At LEAST that.

(Oh, and I've READ the contract. It actually uses the words "exploit the children," and attempts to bind them to some kind of servitude for LIFE. Of course, that is not legally binding, but maybe Katherine thought it was? And signed the contract anyway?)

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

That contract should have not have been signed ever. If my memory serves me correctly she binned the children to Mann for the rest of there lives. In fact if Mrs Jackson were to pass away any person who took over guardianship will have to work with man as per that contract. The contract is illegal as hell and she should have known better.

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

according the secretary of state of california, MJ's HTWF is in the hands of Johnson. She merged out her HTWF with MJ's.

C1688875 07/03/1991 ACTIVE HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION MELISSA JOHNSON
C3036817 03/13/2008 MERGED OUT HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION MELISSA JOHNSON

some time ago :

C3036817 2008.03.13 ACTIVE HEAL the World Foundation Melissa Johnson
C1688875 1991.07.03 SUSPENDED HEAL the World Foundation BARRY SIEGEL

now

Entity Name: HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION
Entity Number: C1688875
Date Filed: 07/03/1991
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 44489 TOWN CENTER WAY, STE. D542
Entity City, State, Zip: PALM DESERT CA 92260
Agent for Service of Process: MELISSA JOHNSON
Agent Address: 41605 GOODRICH ST
Agent City, State, Zip: INDIO CA 92203

what do you think ? Is it possible for someone to take over a corporation and merge with an other ?

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

That contract should have not have been signed ever. If my memory serves me correctly she binned the children to Man for the rest of there lives. In fact if Mrs Jackson were to pass any person to over guardianship will have to work with man as per that contract. The contract is illegal as hell and she should have known better.

Of COURSE she knew better. She had/has an attorney, but apparently didn't use/want that legal advice (if any)? The contract DOES attempt to "bind the children for life," which is of course not legal. It also pays her to "provide the children" for tv appearances, which is apparently exactly what she is doing. The contract actually uses the word "EXPLOIT!" in terms of the children. For this contract, Mann gives her a monthly payment (I think it's 10k?), and then she also gets paid by tv shows on which the kids appear. I wonder if those kids even KNOW all this? Or about what's really in that so-called contract? This is all ABOUT the money.

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

according the secretary of state of california, MJ's HTWF is in the hands of Johnson. She merged out her HTWF with MJ's.

C1688875 07/03/1991 ACTIVE HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION MELISSA JOHNSON
C3036817 03/13/2008 MERGED OUT HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION MELISSA JOHNSON

Entity Name: HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION
Entity Number: C1688875
Date Filed: 07/03/1991
Status: ACTIVE
Jurisdiction: CALIFORNIA
Entity Address: 44489 TOWN CENTER WAY, STE. D542
Entity City, State, Zip: PALM DESERT CA 92260
Agent for Service of Process: MELISSA JOHNSON
Agent Address: 41605 GOODRICH ST
Agent City, State, Zip: INDIO CA 92203

what do you think

This is NOT Michael's charity, and his name appears nowhere on it. It's not a merger of the two charities. His HTW had not been operating for many years. She appropriated the NAME, and many fans think (or used to think?) that it's Michael's Heal the World Foundation. It's NOT.

Melissa admitted, under oath, that she was not "working with" Michael, had never even met him.

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

look the entity number, it was MJ charity. BUT, when a corporation is suspended, people running it lost all rights. So, anyone can take over.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

http://mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98005 Here is the thread about that contract. And I found something here. Katherine gave Mann permission to use Michael's image and likeness well who lied to her and told her she could do that when she could not?

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

look the entity number, it was MJ charity. BUT, when a corporation is suspended, people running it lost all rights. So, anyone can take over.

Then I'd say it's quite a case of opportunism?

(edit) And Justthefacts? I guess Mann told her that the contract was "ok?"

Here is the contract (it does, indeed, attempt to "bind the children for life":

http://tmz.vo.llnwd.net/o28/newsdesk..._jackson_2.pdf

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

so like we were saying about that contract it is not legal and she should know better

 

[Autumn II]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

so like we were saying about that contract it is not legal and she should know better

Exactly. It also says EITHER she consulted with an attorney, or waived her right to consult an attorney. She gets paid 10k a month, for life! And that's on top of the 86k she already gets from the estate, monthly! (part of that, expenses for the children, of course). That is an INCREDIBLE amount of money! How much could the ingredients for cookies COST, anyway? :doh:

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

And no one is saying these things about Mrs Jackson just to be mean but there comes a time where you can only stay quiet for so long. I was one that blamed Joe for everything but no not anymore. Part of me still thinks that people are in her ear but how long can I and others keep thinking that?

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Since when has the Buckley School been a public school?

Since a grandmother of 80 years is losing her head and sell her only 3 bankable grandchildren to vultures.

 

[Angelofmj]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

whether you acknowledge/agree with this or not, the fact that they are michael jackson's kids does put them above random kids period. the same way madonna's kids are above random kids the same way michael jackson's
the fact that those children are michaels turns them to targets. perverts like Mann and lunatics like Johnson don't give a phuck about random kids but they sure do want to be associated to Michael's if you are too blind to see this than it's your bad.
nobody is saying their lives are more precious than other random kid's lives, the fact that are michaels puts them above all the jermajesty;s, jaffars, or any other kids deal with it.
the simple fact that they are his puts them over other kids and makes them special just like with the obama kids, madonna's kids, suri etc

well i dont think that way because are all kids to me...michael himself said that all the kids in the world were like his own and he loved them all the same


i understand about howard mann, and katehrien is wrong for associating with him but she loves her grandkids and i dont think she'd put them in harms way purposefully

 

[twinklEE]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

well i dont think that way because are all kids to me...michael himself said that all the kids in the world were like his own and he loved them all the same


i understand about howard mann, and katehrien is wrong for associating with him but she loves her grandkids and i dont think she'd put them in harms way purposefully

yeah well have fun ignoring the truth then b/c like I stated oh so many times ignoring the truth does not change the truth

 

[Tipareth]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

So here's another idea. . . .WHY do you think Katherine and Joe, and Johnson (AND her husband), are perpetuating this charity that has NOTHING to do with Michael's charity? I've done a lot of work with non-profits, and know that when they grow to a certain size, there is an executive director, and staff. When donations are gathered, the director and staff are paid FIRST, as "operating expenses." So I'd say probably an audit of this charity is in order, to see if there is disproportionate payment? I know that with Schmuley Boteach (remember HIM?) and his involvement with the ill-fated Heal the Kids foundation, he paid himself a HUGE salary, and I don't believe any money actually went for charitable causes? Did it? I'm not backtracking to Schmuley here, but just pointing out that abuses of that type are surely possible.

Carry on. . . . .

I admit I've thought about it too....

Kath is complaining that she got NOT enough MONEY, in the same time she is preoccupied with that specific charity...

I dunno, but MJ kids and Kath can be used as 'image pumping' for that charity, then more money would be generated, and some of these money rest assured won't go to children, but to the staff!!

And the staff can be Mellisa and some help people, as Mann himself...?

Melissa is obviously no angel, she is not into it out of her goodnessr of her heart, she's after for her own fame and gain too.

 

[Tipareth]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

What she is doing is insinuating that the children are flourishing more under her care and supervision. Notice that on Oprah she made a comment like "now Paris has friends." She would state that Michael was a good father and then make comments to suggest how much better the kids are doing under her care. That is the reason she did not rebuke Robin for making that statement about "normal." Katherine, by her statements is implying that the kids are "normal" with her. You notice the media will say certain things to their faces because they know that is the way the Jacksons think. Jermaine tried to compete with Michael, and I hope Katherine is not trying to compete with Michael as the "best dad ever" to use Paris' words.

I've got that impression too!

First it was Jermaine, saying that children are doing fabulous, and now they got friends and doing things that didn't do, when Mike was alive....

I mean WTF, what that man was trying to insinuate...? :doh:

And now Katherine...

I got the impression, that Jacksons got a critical view of Mike as parent, for years, and discussed between themselves, what is doing Mike right or wrong... Their view is kinda unified, and all of them insinuate that MJ kids are somehow better now ( without their dad ) ...

This is saddening me great deal, and I felt this before Katherine going out on interviews... felt it first with Jermaine, Latoya...

 

[Mechi]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Hm I think I must go back to that video... now who paid 10.000 to whom and for what? Where does this money go to in case it is really flowing?

 

[StephluvsMJ]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Of COURSE she knew better. She had/has an attorney, but apparently didn't use/want that legal advice (if any)? The contract DOES attempt to "bind the children for life," which is of course not legal. It also pays her to "provide the children" for tv appearances, which is apparently exactly what she is doing. The contract actually uses the word "EXPLOIT!" in terms of the children. For this contract, Mann gives her a monthly payment (I think it's 10k?), and then she also gets paid by tv shows on which the kids appear. I wonder if those kids even KNOW all this? Or about what's really in that so-called contract? This is all ABOUT the money.

I don't understand how people could possibly defend this. Katherine thinks she's legally obliged to "exploit" her grandchildren. And rather than putting her foot down and telling people that her beloved grandchildren are off limits and deserve their privacy, she's offering them up as tools to score interviews and promote various junk so that she and Mann can get a few extra thousand dollars to put into their already wealthy pockets. It's SO obvious what's going on.

I understand that people want to cut her some slack. After all, Michael pretty much worshiped his mother, and given he held her in such a high regard, to disrespect her is to disrespect him. But at the same time, would Michael be happy about any of this? Would he be happy that his beloved mother attempted to bind his children "FOR LIFE" to a porn producer? Would he be happy that his children are being fooled into thinking that they're helping the same HTWF that he founded in 92? Somehow I don't think so.

No parent, not Michael, not any of us, would be happy about this.

 

[twinklEE]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I've got that impression too!

First it was Jermaine, saying that children are doing fabulous, and now they got friends and doing things that didn't do, when Mike was alive....

I mean WTF, what that man was trying to insinuate...? :doh:

And now Katherine...

I got the impression, that Jacksons got a critical view of Mike as parent, for years, and discussed between themselves, what is doing Mike right or wrong... Their view is kinda unified, and all of them insinuate that MJ kids are somehow better now ( without their dad ) ...

This is saddening me great deal, and I felt this before Katherine going out on interviews... felt it first with Jermaine, Latoya...

The Jacksons out of ALL people shouldnt be the ones judging parenting abilities of ANYONE leave alone Michael's, considering the fact that almost all of them have failed and still fail big time when it comes to parenthood.

 

[The Healer]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

I"d like to put another perspective here. I am not gonna discuss Katherine or any other ppl now...just Michael and his kids.
As we all know..they are growing up and they are quite old enough to have an idea of what they wanna do right now.
I bet Michael knew that they will not be able to live under a glass forever.
From what I can tell....those beautiful kids seem different from other celebrity kids.
If they are gonna talk about important things...do charity and care about those who are less fortunate...I think it is a very beautiful thing to do. They can be an example to other young people. They can tell to young people that there are much more important things that expensive clothes and partys.
They said more than once that they want to continue their father"s work.
Soon....they will be old enough to be independed.
I am sure they will be very important persons one day.

 

[Alma]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Media don't give a damn about Jacksons/MJ kids. Like Roger Friedman, media will use information to push their agenda. At the blink of an eye Roger Friedman was in full gear using PIMPING in the same sentence with MJ'S kids, .

Right... ....

 

[Big Apple2]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

No offense, but Katherine Jackson doesn't look like herself in that picture. She looks a bit worn out, in my opinion.

Where are her ADULT children?

Michael provided for his mother handsomely, because "I'm guessing" that he didn't want her out there OVER EXTENDING herself with all of these LITTLE money grabs.

I honestly think that all of her recent actions are beginning to take a toll on her 80-year old body.

Again, I ask, where are her adult children?

 

[StacyJ]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

No offense, but Katherine Jackson doesn't look like herself in that picture. She looks a bit worn out, in my opinion.

Where are her ADULT children?

Michael provided for his mother handsomely, because "I'm guessing" that he didn't want her out there OVER EXTENDING herself with all of these LITTLE money grabs.

I honestly think that all of her recent actions are beginning to take a toll on her 80-year old body.

Again, I ask, where are her adult children?

Girl, that's a good question.. Katherine is 80 years old. She does not need to be out there working and trying to get money grabs. Where are her adult children is a good question? Do they even care about what their mother is doing? All the stress she's under?

 

[loveforever]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Let's see? There was the "taser incident," and the investigation by DCFS. There are the other grandkids living there, and not being supported by their own fathers. How about teaming up with a pornographer? How about defying the estate's own wishes, and continuing to try to sell "Michael products?" How about dressing the children up in t-shirts promoting a charity that is the subject of a lawsuit? How about hawking a book full of recycled Michael-photos to fans? My GOD, when does this woman have time to bake COOKIES!

By defying the estate and their exclusive ownership of Michael's brand/image, she is potentially taking money that the estate could make for the CHILDREN! (I wonder if the kids got paid for the GMA interview, and where that money went? Or was it just Katherine who got paid for that?)

I think when the children first went into her custody, nearly ALL fans wished her well and were fully supportive, and if they are not now, then who's fault, exactly, IS that? One mistake that nearly the entire family makes is thinking that Michael's fans transfer automatically to THEM now that Michael is gone. It simply doesn't work that way.

I hope the executors take some action to at least have those kids' photos removed from the HTW web-site. At LEAST that.

(Oh, and I've READ the contract. It actually uses the words "exploit the children," and attempts to bind them to some kind of servitude for LIFE. Of course, that is not legally binding, but maybe Katherine thought it was? And signed the contract anyway?)

agreed. also lack of proper supervision of MJ3, private video/pictures leaked anywhere on the internet. overcrowded house. free access of internet, ichat/formspring...

I had read that Michael knew all children's books and let MJ3 read a lot but now they didn't read much. He played with them/eat with them/read with them/teach them values/foster their interests....the truth is Michael's children are so smart and well mannered solely because of his great parental skill, because his children was always his priority. I don't think a guardian placed money first/had so many things distracted her could provide proper care for his children. since Michael's death, people always said MJ3 had "normal" life now, even the Jacksons, in those people's mind the children stay in the public eyes, have the fish bowl life are "NORMAL".

 

[Graf]

Re: Katherine PP&B on GMA 2/25

Where are her ADULT children?

Well, one of them (Jermaine) is telling us on his twitter to support her :doh: ..not sure about the rest..