MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Jesus, How are we going to do to make them stop all these.

Hopefully Estate will win the lawsuit and it will be over and they'll have to stop.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I don't get why Katherine doesn't get that this charity has nothing to do with Michael. Why would the estate lie to her? Michael's will wants 20% of the money to go to charities. I would be suspicious if someone told me my son wanted her to run this charity and she never spoke or saw him. She knew that Michael would have met this person if it was something was important to him. Katherine can easily work with the estate but she chooses to go against them. She is going against Michael by doing that. The estate was created by Michael not Branca or anyone else. If she needs money really badly she has a daughter that has done very well herself. Why doesn't anyone aske her unless she put her foot down and said no.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

If Michael wanted to "continue with HTW," there was nothing preventing him from specifying that in his will. And, he did not. (As far as the information that we have, and under the law, the will is valid.) He was very clear about his intentions. He clearly felt morally obligated to continue to support his mother, but not to give her free-rein in dispersing his money! Katherine is obviously passing money to her other children. If Michael had wanted to support his siblings, he would have specified that in his will. He did NOT, intentionally, and that speaks volumes.

Michael never met Melissa Johnson. There is no documentation from Michael to Melissa, regarding HTW. Anything anyone has to say, about "what Michael said," is hearsay. Isn't it?
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

To me his will is what he wanted to be done. Anything else without actual proof is not enough. If Michael wanted anyone to use his name and likeness he wouldn't have put 2 people in charge and created an estate. I wish someone would just say to his family to respect his will and wishes. Not doing that makes it harder on them and there is no point in that. Especially for Katherine who is 80 and has three young kids to take care of.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Katherine and all her wonderful friends and her wonderful children are lying to the autorities, to the justice.

What happen to the people who do that normaly in US ? It's ok to lie like this ?



 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

If Michael wanted to "continue with HTW," there was nothing preventing him from specifying that in his will. And, he did not. (As far as the information that we have, and under the law, the will is valid.) He was very clear about his intentions. He clearly felt morally obligated to continue to support his mother, but not to give her free-rein in dispersing his money! Katherine is obviously passing money to her other children. If Michael had wanted to support his siblings, he would have specified that in his will. He did NOT, intentionally, and that speaks volumes.

Michael never met Melissa Johnson. There is no documentation from Michael to Melissa, regarding HTW. Anything anyone has to say, about "what Michael said," is hearsay. Isn't it?

It would be opening the floodgates to allow any part of Michael's estate to be distributed in any way or any use of his image to be accessible by anyone just based on some person saying "what Michael said."

The estate might as well hang it up then because lots of people would be ready with their stories of "what Michael said."
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Update

Objections are filed by the both sides. Not surprisingly both sides are arguing that the witnesses from other sides testimonies are hearsay, irrelevant, personal opinion, lack personal knowledge etc.

HTWF Lawyer's filed their Final Brief as well. Their main point is similar to what Melissa Johnson said in her testimony before. They argue that "she acted with authorization granted by Michael through his representatives and with blessing of his beneficiaries Katherine Jackson (and his kids)". They again say that they didn't need a licence because they are the same thing as Michael. They state all their arguments will be supported by Oxman and Bain and Katherine.

Interestingly "Michael intended his family and his kids to continue on with HTWF" is added. I wonder how they come to this conclusion. It's quite a stretch from "Michael gave me his authorization to run HTWF" to "he wanted his kids involved in it". Even if you go with his will he wanted 20% to be given to a charity chosen by a committee, in no place he wants his family and kids be involved in the charity.

and a tidbit: the agreed facts state that Melissa Johnson have not ever spoken with Michael.

Well, if HTWF is the same thing as Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson has died. Therefore, so has HTWF died. And whatever survives is a part of Michael Jackson's estate, and per Michael Jackson, his specifically named executors control his estate.

It is gut wrenching accepting KJ teamed up with Johnson and Mann to gain access to Michael's trademarks so she can use them to market stuff under MJ's name like guady belts, a dubious website, etc. If she was genuinely interested in the charity, that would be one thing. But that's not the case, it's the want of the trademarks that have her siding with Johnson.

Absolutely gut wrenching.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Katherine and all her wonderful friends and her wonderful children are lying to the autorities, to the justice.

What happen to the people who do that normaly in US ? It's ok to lie like this ?




It is NOT "ok." A person could be held in "contempt of court," with a penalty of a fine, or even jail-time.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

It is NOT "ok." A person could be held in "contempt of court," with a penalty of a fine, or even jail-time.

I say they are ALL sickening....lock ALL they asses up for contempt of court and throw away the key!!!
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

It would be opening the floodgates to allow any part of Michael's estate to be distributed in any way or any use of his image to be accessible by anyone just based on some person saying "what Michael said."

The estate might as well hang it up then because lots of people would be ready with their stories of "what Michael said."

The judge is going to rule against Katherine Jackson, because according to the laws of California
the Attorney General of the state of California is over the process of charities administered by a legal trust,
such as the one set up by Michael Jackson.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

The judge is going to rule against Katherine Jackson, because according to the laws of California
the Attorney General of the state of California is over the process of charities administered by a legal trust,
such as the one set up by Michael Jackson.

hopefully you are right. i think the Jacksons need a reality check..... they have milk Michael long enough
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

The amount of greed in Michael Jackson's life must have been heartbreaking for him see. The greed of those 2 horrible families to sell their souls and lie about Michael just for money. I often wonder how they sleep at night. Then Murrays lust for money was so great that medical ethics were tossed out the window.
But the thing that hurts me the most and I am certain Michael was aware of this was his own familys enormous greed and total lack of respect for Michael. The wording of his own will is practically screaming out at us what his feelings were. No more he is saying! You tried to suck me dry in life but in death you can't touch me anymore. But guess what? They are still trying. Absolutely no respect for a man who gave them everything he could in life because they won't stop until they can break him one more time.

Surely the goodness that was Michael Jackson will triumph over this greed one more time.

Please dear God, please open Miss Katherine's eyes and mind so she can see that it is time to let her son and our beloved rest in peace. He was very clear what his wishes are. Please stop disregarding them. Stand up Miss Katherine. Stand up for Michael ...
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

He helped his family enough in his life and he doesn't have to help them in death. It's absurd when they are all adults in their 40s and older. He loved his family but it's obvious by his will he didn't want to provide for them anymore. Just his mom and children. Trying to find sneaky ways to get more money and other things is just wrong.

The Jacksons need to stop thinking that what was Michael's is theirs. It doesn't work that way. He worked so hard to build his legacy and to leave it for his children not for the entire Jackson family.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

This is worst than slavery. Still working for the family when you are dead and supposed to be resting. How can this be worst than Hell?

^ :agree:This was a comment someone left about that article!
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I can't see any possibility that Mann/Katherine/Johnson will win.The losers are already Michael's children, because the money used to fund this lawsuit by the estate, comes FROM the estate. In other words, it's the children's money that is being used as this drags through the courts. The estate MUST address this, and they are doing so. It's just sad that this is happening. I can see no more excuses for Katherine's behavior. No more, at all.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I can't see any possibility that Mann/Katherine/Johnson will win.The losers are already Michael's children, because the money used to fund this lawsuit by the estate, comes FROM the estate. In other words, it's the children's money that is being used as this drags through the courts. The estate MUST address this, and they are doing so. It's just sad that this is happening. I can see no more excuses for Katherine's behavior. No more, at all.

Absolutely. I'm appalled they dont even care about that. Even if I think I guess KJ's reasons, I dont excuse any of her actions.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Absolutely. I'm appalled they dont even care about that. Even if I think I guess KJ's reasons, I dont excuse any of her actions.

It really is refreshing to come across posts like yours. Usually those with theories as to why she's doing all this, don't actually admit that what she is doing is wrong.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Grandma Katherine gonna go in jail ^^
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

It really is refreshing to come across posts like yours. Usually those with theories as to why she's doing all this, don't actually admit that what she is doing is wrong.

I think it's important to understand why she's doing it. I may be wrong in my guesses, of course, but it seems logical, to me anyway. Just labeling someone a b... is very easy. That being said, I think I get it. And I'm shocked at her behavior as a grandmother, as a guardian, and as Michael's mother. She has shown disrespect for his wishes since the beginning.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Ok i have to say this.
Katherine is what 80? you are all saying bad things of her, because of her actions. Why not be mad of the actions instead of her. She is the one who raised Michael, she is the one who michael loved the most in his fam. She is the one who take care of the children because Michael trusted her. You all love Michael why not trust him?
We only see the reports in the media. Do you know her personally do you have met her?? I hate to say this but u all do something michael hated the most
JUDGING people without asking them personally he why this or that. So can we talk about the case here? i thought the thread is about that! and not about who hates Katherine the most!
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I want to say thankyou for all the information from Ivy, Marc Vivien, Lesly and others. I really appriciate it.
The Estate must win the case. There can`t be another possibility.
But do you think there is a chance that Melissa Johnson have to remove the "Heal the world-Foundation"-name of her charity?
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

You jugde ppl on their actions. U think mj woukd have expected his mother to act like this.the women he trusted and loved so much.or should we just excuse everything that is and has gone on cause of who she is

we didnt just see the reports in the media it is all documented in court papers.documentered in her words. Selling his kids to mann and oprah and the htw scam is just media reports is it.
 
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You jugde ppl on their actions. Either u havnt read up on whats gone or a are niave. U think mj woukd have expected his mother to act like this.the women he trusted and loved so much.or should we just excuse everything that is and has gone on cause of who she is

we didnt just see the reports in the media it is all documented in court papers.documentered in her words. Selling his kids to mann and oprah and the htw scam is just media reports is it.you need to stop being so blind to the facts because of who it involves

this. all day, every day.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Another side show in the sorry afterlife of Michael Jackson :( Greedy & manipulative! I'm very VERY disappointed Mrs Jackson.
 
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I think I understand she is - above all - manipulated. I am very very much disgusted by the practices and manipulations, misleading in legal aspect as well psycholigical and emotional by Mann and Johnson and some of the Jacksons.
Mrs Jackson is in an extremely vulnerable position for such things.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

how long we are going to blame other people for her action.what about korean and other people .she had choice,sit back and look after mj3 instead she is putting them in vulnerable position by signing contract on their behalf or ophrah interview or putting on board of fake foundation.i am just saying just for once respect wishes of ur dead son and protect those innocent kids the way he did when he was alive .we are not asking for much .but right now we need to show mann and that other lunatic that we are not gullible.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Ok i have to say this.
Katherine is what 80? you are all saying bad things of her, because of her actions. Why not be mad of the actions instead of her. She is the one who raised Michael, she is the one who michael loved the most in his fam. She is the one who take care of the children because Michael trusted her. You all love Michael why not trust him?
We only see the reports in the media. Do you know her personally do you have met her?? I hate to say this but u all do something michael hated the most
JUDGING people without asking them personally he why this or that. So can we talk about the case here? i thought the thread is about that! and not about who hates Katherine the most!

We DO "trust Michael!" His intentions were CLEAR, in his will, that charitable donations were to be managed by the ESTATE (and he didn't mention anyone else in that capacity in the will.)

If we "judged" people only if we "know them personally," nobody would ever VOTE in an election!

The case is inextricable with Katherine, and Mann, and Johnson. Katherine is the one who signed the contract with Mann. Have you READ it??? The contract is not legal concerning the children, but if it were, she'd have been consigning the children to a life of servitude, but there is no provision in the contract that the money goes to ANYONE but Katherine, and Mann!

In the end, people ARE their actions, as in, "WHAT does a person actually DO?" Anything else is hypocrisy. If a person says one thing, but does another, what do you believe/value? What is said, or what is DONE?

We don't know the dynamic behind the will, and what was in Michael's mind at that time, or if he felt he had better options for the care of his children. What we DO know is that he designated a percentage of his wealth to charities, and fully intended, as per the will, for the ESTATE to manage that, and certainly not his mother or anyone else in the family, or ANYONE else, other than the executors. And THAT is "about the case," right? In working with Mann in the way that she is, Katherine is violating her own son's wishes, in terms of the will, and that is entirely obvious. I think that is more than enough to judge her behavior, even leaving out the other things she has done. . . . Her behavior makes many of us suspicious about what nonsense she can possibly do NEXT, that will harm her grandchildren! She dressed them up in HTW tee-shirts for a photo opportunity for an obviously bogus charity, and that OFFENDS many of us, deeply. Ultimately, it's the children's well-being that matters. Michael's mother was well provided for in the will, but obviously that was not ENOUGH for her!

So far the executors have been courteous to Katherine, but now, I hope they go after her, and go after her HARD! She's had "a pass" as Michael's mother, but through her actions, her INTENTIONS are very obvious now.

If all we had was "first-hand experience," about anything, we would not be able to make decisions, and we would not learn from history. Oh, and I fully support the Twitter campaign about HTW, which DOES include Katherine, in that she is a board member of HTW, and Mann's "business partner."

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/t...de-MJ-Fan-Protest-AGAINST-Howard-Mann-Sunday-!
 
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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Legally you cannot commit minor children to a contract.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

True but that isnt really the issue.they are been used and will continue to be until it stops
 
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