Naturelle
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Thanks for posting. T-Mez is great stick to the topic at hand. MJ is no longer here. let him be.Thanks hun for posting!
I think she is lying, she still gets fillers in her face and admitts those needles hurt!
Thanks for posting. T-Mez is great stick to the topic at hand. MJ is no longer here. let him be.Thanks hun for posting!
Because he's insane.
He claimed that Michael was addicted to propofol and how he knocked Murray out with his propofol breath, yes he actually said this. I think he also said Debbia got him hooked on drugs, ect. He also claimed that Michael was infertility and he had to donate sperm so Michael could have kids.
He said allot more, but that's what I can remember from the top of my head.
on his facebook klein is recently going around saying hoefflin got mj addicted to propofol. he's too unstable to be a witness. believe me if he was allowed on stand perhaps he could have justified his treatment but in other regards he would have created unbelievable reasonable doubt and be a good witness for defense.
Hi Ivy,
Like most people, I believe Klein is insane. However, with a stretch of the imagination, there is some slight evidence to suggest that Hoefflin introduced Michael to Propofol for non-medical reasons. Hoefflin was sued by former nurses in the late 90's and one of the claims of the suit is that Hoefflin anaestatized (sp) Michael pretending to perform cosmetic surgery. While Michael was put under, Hoefflin didn't do any surgery, he just looked at and commented on his genitals (allegedly said I bet he's never used it). Supposedly Hoefflin faked cosmetic surgery because Michael was addicted to it and Hoefflin didn't want to perform anymore procedures on him. Katherine Jackson did tell Oprah that she asked plastic surgeons to pretend like they had done surgery on Michael. With Hoefflin's closeness to the Jacksons, maybe he was the doctor Katherine was referring to. At least Klein's demerol injections were associated with an actual procedure.
Well, about this allegations, if my memory serves me well, Hoefflin sued the accusers for defamation and won.
we don't know what happened but it doesn't change the fact that these people unstable
hoefflin and klein has a beef so klein accuses hoefflin of propofol addiction and hoefflin accusing him of demerol addiction.
you then have jason and klein. klein accuses jason of stealing money and in a bankruptcy case jason accuses klein of over medicating michael.
these people are lunatics and if introduced those would be too much of a doubt, believe me.
and the judge made it clear. this is about june 25th. that day MJ didn't have demerol and didn't die from it.
even the defense argument is that either demerol caused sleep problems or that murray was detoxing mj from demerol. right?
and judge
Although, the DA can bring this back on him and point out that as Michael's main doctor he should had known about these doctors before he even began any kind of treatment. The fact that he did no work up and didn't even bother to check Michael's history and even double back about whether he knew about other doctors or not will bite him in the butt.
Karen Faye is having a fit on twitter
Karen Faye (@wingheart)
Posted Friday 28th October 2011 from TweetList
I owe the fans nothing. Some, like you, have proved to me, that being open & honest, only opens the door for some ppl to lie, twist and make up stories about me, when I opened up my heart, when it was in anguish and confusion. I thought I could find comfort and understanding in the arms of Michaels fans, while others (insiders) around me were lying to make their fortune from my friend's death. But no, you continued to drive the knife deeper in my heart. You taught me a very tough lesson. I will explain to my friends, the circumstances around this trial, but not to those who find it entertaining to cause pain. I actually thought at one time, you were someone who I could confide in. But the lies you spread as truth, led me to abandon you as a friend. I owe you nothing, because of the lies you speak about me. RT @MUZIKfactoryTWO: @wingheart B/c she blurred our minds for over 2 yrs w her words, Karen Faye OWES fans to explain why she avoided the subpoena!
Karen Faye (@wingheart)
Posted Friday 28th October 2011 from TweetList
I don't Nancy. You are my friend. The ones who aren't my friends have made it very obvious. Now they are even spreading my private phone number as if it is some sort of trophy. These ppl are cruel, and do not care how much they abuse me. RT @Narjens5: @wingheart Dear Karen, PLEASE don't think that all of the fans are like this, because there are so many that love and respect you!
exactly.well said. what they were doing was as clear ad day along with the i dont want any attention and didnt want to get involved but i only did cause i saw an injustice image hes trying yo portrayWhat I meant with discrediting is saying things like patients reactions are different from a person to another = don't rely on Dr Shafers models, they don't say that's how MJ reacted. But that's not exactly what Dr Shafer was saying, Dr Shafer was saying that MJ was not even close to any of his self injection models...And all those comments , spelling, using rejected papers..About the non responsive to pain, it was merely used by Dr Shafer to show a level of sedation, and Dr White also used that to indicate a level of sedation
totally agree- haven't been watcing the trial but just watched this clip-talk about about a hostile witness! This guys additude stinks. What is it with these 'addiction specialists'. They seem to think think they are are 'special' themselves.OMG, what the eff is wrong with this guy? I missed his testimony today, but I read throughout the thread that he was an arrogant asshole, but I NEVER thought he'd be like this! I just saw this little clip and not even his full testimony but wtf?!
(...)That's what this case is about, not about whether Michael was addicted to anything in the 80s or 90s.
If anyone dares to venture to her twitter tell Karen to grow some guts and speak her 'truth' to the court of law. Even the supposed murders, Randy P. and Kenny, went to court and spoke their stories after she cowardly used the internet to call them all sorts of names.