Murray Trial Day 21, October 31st - Discussion

another book white wrote reagrding the standards of care. white says its out of context again! its about trained staff should always be there when giving diprivan. white doesnt agree with this statement now says the practice has changed. since he did the book in the 90's in appropiate settings it can be given by ppl who arent anethatists. and guidlines have been given for that

walgren showing the guidlines for giving dip for ppl who arent anethatists.whites being given a copy. it states even if moderate sedation is being given same care is needed as if u were giving deep sedation.

showing some more guidlines on the screen. the guideline says because it isnt always possible to predict the reaction. drs who want to give a certain amount of sedation should be trained to rescue a paitent who goes into a deeper level of sedation. wlagren says you should have the equipment and be prepared yes admits white. if an infusion is used would it be moderate sedation? answer yes and if its moderate sedation you should be trained to rescue someone from deep sedation? yes admits white.

more guidelines shown. moderate and deep sedation this relates to goes through everything u should go through. paitent counselling fasting,monitoring pulse oxy B.P heart rate at 5 mins intervals etc etc. if u were giving dip in a home setting would you use all the above? yes says white if im using an infusion.
u need a nurse to help. yes says white but he brings up the procedure was going on then. walgren asks again so u think its ok to not have a nurse there if its been giving in a home setting? white says i didnt say that. walgren asks again. should there be another person present? white says yes xtra monitoring if u are giving an infusion. white keeps trying to make excuses yet again.

aree these guidlines apprioate if u are giving dip in a home setting with no nurse present.? yes if its by an infusion. what about benzos and a dip bolus? .white suggest certain practises in the home when benzos are given not all the things listed are needed. it would be a good idea to have them all though he says.

its like getting blood out of a stone with him. talk about being evasive
 
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And how do we know what the judge said?? was this when he said to the jury to go out and the video was away?
 
anyone else having trouble with the audio? Have a hard time hearing what's being said.
I don't have any headphones so it's hard to make out what they're saying imo
 
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Judge: that constitutes direct contempt of court. I'm fining Dr White $1,000. I'll review the matter on Nov. 17. #conradmurraytrial
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Judge: lo and behold at later part of testimony Dr White says "I would like 2 tell but judge said I couldn't talk" That's a direct violation
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Judge: there was admonition not 2 refer 2 any statement made by #Murray other than police intvw. I felt strongly enough I dismissed the jury
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Judge just admonished and fined Dr. Paul White $1,000 for contempt of court for violating his order, saying "judge said I couldn't talk".
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how do they know that???
 
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And how do we know what the judge said?? was this when he said to the jury to go out and the video was away?

media reporters are in the courtroom and they hear what is being said. we - the public- and the jurors doesn't hear / see it.
 
what a mess is the defence, honestly they should just pass
 
simulation done by dr gabrielle. 25mg done by murray at 10.40 and a 25 mg done by mj at around 11.50. did u work with the dr provide her guidence? no she was watching it on tv she came up with everything. he asked her about the urine levels..showing the graphs.

the article u based your testimony on the 0.3% is this it? shows white. published in 88 white felt it was the most accurate for unchanged dip in the urine? white says it was the other dr who came up with that. did u read this article dr white? i looked over it. did u read the article in detail? he wont answer? no he didnt read it in detail. how many hours did u collaberate with the other dr for? white said i didnt work on the model. i asked her a straight question about the levels found in the urine. as the figures in the autopsy didnt match with the 1000mg claim. walgren asks the question again. we had a convo. white is staying with flanagan! she came over and they talked. when was the meeting? near the end of last week.

can u point on the graph where murray infused 25. he does and the same for mj when he did.at about 11.40! walgrens jumping on the time difference. as whites based his testimony on that graph. and he mentions that there was no IV set found in the house (dont know what that has to do with it)

whats the blood concentration prior to mj injecting as in the model? is it about zero?? says walgren white says the graph is compressed so its low i cant say much more.its close to the bottom of the scale. then it raises to about 4mg? white says around 4.3 prior to the self injection how much dip was in the urine? it was slightly below the line found at autopsy. white says the graph is compressed so it looks less then it was. (messing with the graphs like with the demoral walgrens is implying)
 
how is that possible someone doing this model from a tv trial??? without numbers????????????? and he is under oath testifying to this model?! made of tv?!
 
showing a model done at around TOD from 11.39- 11.43. whites says im not an expert on pharmo co conetics. walgren says u testifyed under oath to this. walgrens is saying this graph only matches if mj was gone at 11.43. which we know he wasnt. hes asking white if this graph is legit based on the data..whites now saying i dont know if the times are legit thats not my testimony i didnt create the graph. i would move the time futher up. my evidence is based on two injections given not the time.. saying he only got the graphs the night b4 so didnt have time to get her to re draw them. my intrest was about the urine contents. white says he thinks the self injection happened later.. walgren asks did u tell the jury that last week.? white says i didnt even notice.

i was intrested in the urine concentration based on shaffers claim. you said the self injection theory was consistant with murrays statement. and consistant with a second iv line not being found at the scene and no dip in it. (walgren says u cant test for dip if the IV wasnt there! lol.). and the amount of dip in the urine

11.39-11.49 chart created. when did mjs circulation stop? thechart suggest it when the bolus was injected? was it immediate? speculating that it could be yes says white.. walgren says for this model to work mj would have to pass straight away. have you read the autopsy? it said mj had a strong heart no issues. white gets shown a copy of the A.R (waiting for walgren to bring up murrays comments about there being a pulse)
 
he starts so many sentences with disclaimers...I only had a few days or I read it in February or I only got such and such the night before I testified.

He doesn't want to take responsibility if he doesn't absolutely have to.
 
showing a model done at around TOD from 11.39- 11.43. whites says im not an expert on pharmo co conetics. walgren says u testifyed under oath to this. walgrens is saying this graph only matches if mj was gone at 11.43. which we know he wasnt. hes asking white if this graph is legit based on the data..whites now saying i dont know if the times are legit thats not my testimony i didnt create the graph. i would move the time futher up. my evidence is based on two injections given not the time.. saying he only got the graphs the night b4 so didnt have time to get her to re draw them. my intrest was about the urine contents. white says he thinks the self injection happened later.. walgren asks did u tell the jury that last week.? white says i didnt even notice.

i was intrested in the urine concentration based on shaffers claim. you said the self injection theory was consistant with murrays statement. and consistant with a second iv line not being found at the scene and no dip in it. (walgren says u cant test for dip if the IV wasnt there! lol.). and the amount of dip in the urine

11.39-11.49 chart created. when did mjs circulation stop? thechart suggest it when the bolus was injected? was it immediate? speculating that it could be yes says white.. walgren says for this model to work mj would have to pass straight away. have you read the autopsy? it said mj had a strong heart no issues. white gets shown a copy of the A.R (waiting for walgren to bring up murrays comments about there being a pulse)

yes elusive, this is just ridiculus right? dr white is being such a stupid person. backing off and saying now no its not mine... how can this be allowed in court, he is a joke? what is the defense thinking?
 
The femoral result is consistent in the model, am I missing anything?

Judge is getting annoyed at everything.
 
he starts so many sentences with disclaimers...I only had a few days or I read it in February or I only got such and such the night before I testified.

He doesn't want to take responsibility if he doesn't absolutely have to.

yes so it seems! A joke he is!
 
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