Anyone find religion scary ?

[smoothcriminal12]

Thanks, Krshna, lovely simple post. So many are feeling threatened and grossed out by religion, but aren't they thinking at just how much damage has science done and is doing, how machinery and technology have developed to such a degree that we'll soon not be allowed to function at all without a machinery, some think 'Oh, what nonsense', and in a heart beat I'd show a link of microchipped people (already happening, so before some would jump and laugh at the 'paranoia', google is one of your best friends). Many are frightened by religion, yet not by stuff like media news, political leaders, pornography, bloody slasher-film characters, of promiscuity, drugs, alcohol consumption, by God, not by the things they do, like hurting others, hating on them, betraying them, killing them... etc. etc..

It's a fear of the unknown and the laziness to try and search the good. And many are complacent to it, like I, as well as some others, have been at the beginning. I'm now alive for doing various wonderful things for my soul (going to church), I was this close to losing my life in 2009 and after, and gave up hope on everything and everyone.. for months on end, I didn't want to see the light of day because of being too unwell... And praying to God and going to church (my experience, for inst) got to save me, because gradually, I've started no longer feeling like I want to die and that I can't go on..

What kept Michael himself alive for 50 years was his faith in divinity and his wonderful deeds and the way he forgave many, if not everyone that did him wrong (he had his smile with him often), and that is the attribute of the most strong and he was rewarded for that. ...

What's scary is indeed the fanatics and deviations on behalf of some in how they approach religion, but even scarier is the indifference in some regarding God, their insulting Him (like with saying He doesn't exist, or He is a terrible force) and eventually the interest in a much vaguer, personal notion of the god they are imagining and feel comfortable with. ..

Funny that you mention microchips...won't every person be marked with the mark of the beast using a microchip?

 

[spoonie]

I have to admit that sometimes I am scared by religion. I do believe in God but I am also very frightened by Him. I also really get a horrible feeling when I enter a church which is strange as it should surely give me a sense of comfort but instead it gives me a horrible feeling of dread.

I was expelled from my pre-school (aged 3/4) and got sent to another stricter one in a convent that was run by Nuns and I was quite frightened of these Nuns as well so maybe it's just an issue I have.

I wish I got more comfort from my religion

 

[Krshna28]

I have to admit that sometimes I am scared by religion. I do believe in God but I am also very frightened by Him. I also really get a horrible feeling when I enter a church which is strange as it should surely give me a sense of comfort but instead it gives me a horrible feeling of dread.

I was expelled from my pre-school (aged 3/4) and got sent to another stricter one in a convent that was run by Nuns and I was quite frightened of these Nuns as well so maybe it's just an issue I have.

I wish I got more comfort from my religion

You need to relax.........

If you always try to do good.......then God will always support you!!!!

 

[dangerous2000watts]

I think that's natural (sorry, didn't read the whole posts so I'm answering to the title)
It is not because of religion, it is BECAUSE OF PEOPLE!
You've got to know that

 

[Severus Snape]

You need to relax.........

If you always try to do good.......then God will always support you!!!!

I don't think so. Look at all the horrible people who are still alive, and look at all the good people who have been killed by them. It's not as simple as that.

I personally think god (the concept) is nothing more than a crutch some people use to comfort themselves out of the fear of being all alone in the universe, as an explanation for why things die, as a source of hope for life after death--but none of these things are based on science. I find nothing wrong with that. Other people use other things and concepts as a way of finding comfort, and I don't see why god or gods are any different.

What I have a problem with is people using the concept of god/s to manipulate others into doing their will/giving them money, as can be witnessed in most organized religions, from cults such as those established by David Koresh, to the most influential monotheistic religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. Especially when people get into the ideology that they're the "chosen" ones and that everyone else is unworthy, will die and go to Hell, is an infidel, etc.

My problem is really with the concept of organized religion rather than personal beliefs regarding whatever book/teaching of your choosing. When people try to force their beliefs unto others--that's when I really find religion scary, especially when they're under the delusion that this will somehow "save" them, etc. More importantly, I find it irritating when they knock on my door and leave their pamphlets (which I consider littering) after I've told them numerous times that I am not interested. I shouldn't have to build a bunker in my house to hide in and pretend I am not home because some religious group who obviously can't get a hint won't stop knocking on my door.

Despite the various time/space fallacies, contradictions, and historical inaccuracies most religious texts contain, I honestly can't say I have a problem if some people choose to live by some cherry-picked message from whatever religious text. If it makes them happy to do so, and they're not hurting anyone else or pushing their beliefs where they're not wanted, I don't see why I have to go and ruin their perception of the world with logic.

The way I see it, do whatever you have to do to get the most out of your time, whether that means putting your faith in gods, spirits, or on nothing at all, so long as you are content with your decision and hurt no one else.

 

[LoveMJackson]

What's scary is indeed the fanatics and deviations on behalf of some in how they approach religion, but even scarier is the indifference in some regarding God, their insulting Him (like with saying He doesn't exist, or He is a terrible force)

That's not fanaticism, that's a personal belief. You believe in God, other people do not. And if they don't believe in God in the first place, then how they are insulting him exactly by denying his existence? (again its what they believe). And people are allowed to criticize religion if they wish, the bible, the Quran or any other scripture. It might insult you, as a believer but I can say the same thing on non believers as well, they find many 'insulting' things in religion too.

 

[Krshna28]

I don't think so. Look at all the horrible people who are still alive.........................................

Well I'm a Hindu and I believe Karma as well as rebirth..........


I also believe that good times follow bad times and bad times follow good times............


I also think that the World has degenerated soo much because they don't religion seriously and that it is treated as more of a cult then anything else........


We live in the most chaotic times and the same time we have record numbers who are atheists or believe in such cults!!!!


Religion has been around for at least 5000 years before Moses was even born...........that time is known as the unrecorded history.........and yes civilisation existed..........and in the whole history of the human race.......it has never been worse then it is today!!!!......


Politicians are not religious......... and they are the ones who create wars and commit genocide..........

Osama Bin Laden (and his Taliban) is not religious...........he tells his own people to do suicide bombs..........


Religion (as a whole) is culmination of the wisdom of 10,000 years of the human race..........you cannot possibly tell me you know better........


And don't blame the World's problems on religion............that is both naive and ignorant...........

 

[Severus Snape]

^Being atheist has nothing to do with chaotic things or degeneracy. As for cults--every religion once originated as a cult. Christianity started as a cult. Judaism started as a cult. Islam started as a cult. All religions have to start as cults before actually gaining the amount of influence they gain.

There are many politicians who are (in their minds) deeply religious, and yet they commit these atrocities.

I beg to differ--life in the Middle Ages was markedly worse than it is today. All the dead "witches", Jews, and Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity will tell you.

Religion existed in the beginnings of primitive civilization as an attempt to explain the mysteries of nature, etc. Many things claimed by religion have been proven false, among them, the belief that the Earth is flat, and the belief that the sun revolves around the Earth, etc. Its existence does not vouch for its validity at all.

I don't know better--science does. The "wisdom", as you call it, has been trumped time and time again by logic, reason, and scientific breakthroughs. Had it not been for science, we would all be attempting to pray disease away and would not have the luxuries and medical advances we presently do.

Moreover, I never claimed the concept of religion was to blame for the world's problems. I said people's manipulations of concepts (innocent albeit inaccurate) in attempts to control others via organized religion (i.e. organizations, not concepts) are to blame for a lot of the misfortunes we have lived as human beings, and this is a fact. Surely, you won't tell me you know better than recorded history and historians.

 

[Travis]

I do find religion scary. The hysteria religion has stirred in peoples hearts and minds throughout history is very dark and foreboding. I tend to stay away from it and instead choose to have my own personal relationship with God that doesn't affect anyone else. It's really the people who are scary, but unfortunately, religion has a way of herding sheep to do horrific acts in the name of God. It's all very scary to me. Again, I know the people are to blame but it is indeed the word that channels their monstrosity. The Bible and religion in general tends to validate peoples fears and insecurities and promote bigotry and segregation. All of the most inhumane practices in the history of mankind have almost all been supported or founded because of religion (slavery, women as servants, gay condemnation, etc).

 

[Krshna28]

^Being atheist has nothing to do with chaotic things or degeneracy. As for cults--every religion once originated as a cult. Christianity started as a cult. Judaism started as a cult. Islam started as a cult. All religions have to start as cults before actually gaining the amount of influence they gain.

But these days, cult are more like satanism, nazi, and KKK.........

There are many politicians who are (in their minds) deeply religious, and yet they commit these atrocities.

A person who commits murder for ones own greed cannot never be religious.........despite what they say........

I beg to differ--life in the Middle Ages was markedly worse than it is today. All the dead "witches", Jews, and Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity will tell you.

These days we have more murder and child abuse then there as ever been.........

And the middle ages only refer to western europe..........the rest of the World at that time was in a better shape........

Religion existed in the beginnings of primitive civilization as an attempt to explain the mysteries of nature, etc. Many things claimed by religion have been proven false, among them, the belief that the Earth is flat, and the belief that the sun revolves around the Earth, etc. Its existence does not vouch for its validity at all.

I don't know better--science does. The "wisdom", as you call it, has been trumped time and time again by logic, reason, and scientific breakthroughs. Had it not been for science, we would all be attempting to pray disease away and would not have the luxuries and medical advances we presently do.

but soooo much science has come from religion...........look up ancient Hindu scientists..........they founded astronomy, Pythagoras Theorem (before Pythagoras discovered it), even Charles Darwin's Theory of evolution was known thousands of years before Darwin discovered it..............and there is so much more they discovered.......

And Hindu's also figured out that the World is round and the universe does not revolve around Earth..........that's part of our religion.........

Moreover, I never claimed the concept of religion was to blame for the world's problems. I said people's manipulations of concepts (innocent albeit inaccurate) in attempts to control others via organized religion (i.e. organizations, not concepts) are to blame for a lot of the misfortunes we have lived as human beings, and this is a fact. Surely, you won't tell me you know better than recorded history and historians.

It goes back to corrupt leaders..........they ruined everything........


When Christianity was founded, there were no leaders and no pope............that came when somebody assumed that they were the closest thing to God and that they are the only authority when it comes to God.............again nothing to do with the religion.........just corrupt people..............

I don't believe in religious leaders..............and I never will..........

 

[Severus Snape]

But these days, cult are more like satanism, nazi, and KKK.........

National Socialism is not a cult. It was a political movement (Himmler's SS could, I guess, be considered a cult, but beyond that, people were either Catholic or Protestant, with few atheists and misc. religions mixed along the way.)

Satanism is a cult, I'll grant you that, because they have a completely separate set of actual religious beliefs as popularized by Anton LaVey and his Church of Satan, etc. The KKK, however loathsome they may be, are not a cult--they are Protestant Christians. What makes them the KKK is their social/political views, but religion-wise, the majority of them identify as Christians. I'm not even going to attempt to rationalize the KKK, though.

A person who commits murder for ones own greed cannot never be religious.........despite what they say........

Perhaps not by your own interpretation of what it means to be religious, but by objective standards, they certainly can be. They can believe in a god/gods, and still do the stuff they do, if they believe they are doing it for some sort of "greater" purpose--but then we get into the realm of grandiose delusions/mental illness, etc. Some politicians are greedy leeches who only pay lip service to religion to appease the masses....but there are others who genuinely with all their hearts believe that what they are doing is good, even "god's will."

These days we have more murder and child abuse then there as ever been.........

These days, we have more people and better weapons than ever, therefore--it is only natural that the rate would rise. Moreover, in previous centuries, the deaths of people such as the poor, orphans, prostitutes, etc. were sometimes not even recorded, so it is difficult to truly grasp what the death rates were. That's why more often than not, it would be a pauper or a prostitute who found him/herself the victim of a murder--authorities were far less likely to investigate something like that than they would be the murder of an aristocrat or member of the bourgeoisie. Thus, it would seem to me as though nothing at all has changed, as far as motive is concerned. The only thing that's changed is efficiency.

As for child abuse...I would say the opposite is true. In this day and age, even so much as looking at your child "the wrong way" could get you in the slammer. In the good old days of long ago, it was not considered child abuse to hit one's child, in fact, it was generally seen as a positive thing (teaches discipline, etc.) It was common practice to pinch, hit, slap, or spank children, even teachers could do such things--imagine that nowadays! LAWSUIT! So, I would say, there was actually more child abuse back then than there is today.

In regards to child sexual abuse, the only reason why it appears as though there is more of that today is because our attitudes towards sex have changed--that is, we discuss sexual matters, even sexual deviances like pedophilia and bestiality, openly now. Back in the 19th century and prior, especially with prim and proper Victorians, any talk about sex (socially appropriate sex) would be severely looked down on--imagine raising allegations of sexual abuse--a young child speaking of such things! It would be madness. Thus, since things of this sort were seldom discussed, the levels appear to be lower than they are today. The level of authority an adult had over a child was also considerably higher back then--nowadays we have child protection services, etc. to back up the child. Back then, the child had basically no one who would believe him, especially if the child happened to be female (sexual inequality, anyone?)

And the middle ages only refer to western europe..........the rest of the World at that time was in a better shape........

It is true that the Middle Ages only refer to Europe, however, these were notably a dark time for Europe, brought on by the misuse of religion by popes of various sorts to get people's money and amass political power.

However, the peaceful states of most of the world can be attributed to its isolation rather than whatever religious beliefs they hold--they still hold the same religious beliefs today, and some of the areas which prospered during Europe's dark ages are in the most turmoil modernly. Therefore, it would seem to me as though religion has nothing to do with the prosperity or lack thereof of these areas, and their state as being largely undisturbed is to be accountable. Moreover, it is important to note that the influence of organized religion (i.e. Popes, etc.) during pre-Renaissance times wasn't as strong in the Middle East or Asia as it was in Europe. They didn't suffer from as many diseases as the Europeans, due to cultural habits (bathing in the Middle East protected them from much of the bacterial illnesses which would devastate Europe at the time.) Therefore, they were free to prosper due to relative isolation, superior hygiene, wider territory (crowding was a huge problem in Europe, and that's how diseases spread.)

It's no coincidence that these areas stagnated after Europeans took control of them.

but soooo much science has come from religion...........look up ancient Hindu scientists..........they founded astronomy, Pythagoras Theorem (before Pythagoras discovered it), even Charles Darwin's Theory of evolution was known thousands of years before Darwin discovered it..............and there is so much more they discovered.......

And Hindu's also figured out that the World is round and the universe does not revolve around Earth..........that's part of our religion.........

It would be interesting to see all of that. I will have to look it up later.

When Christianity was founded, there were no leaders and no pope............that came when somebody assumed that they were the closest thing to God and that they are the only authority when it comes to God.............again nothing to do with the religion.........just corrupt people..............

I don't believe in religious leaders..............and I never will..........

It seems, in that regard, you and I are more in agreement than not. I never said there was anything wrong with religion per se, in and of itself, although I do not ascribe to any particular faith. What seems to be amiss, in my observations, is the way religious leaders manipulate text to suit their own agendas, and the way some followers attempt to violate other people's freedom by continuously attempting to share their "message" when it's not wanted. That's it.

 

[Krshna28]

Mikage Souji..............

I'll have to agree with everything you said in you last post............

.......but I still prefer to believe that times are far worse today then it has ever been...........we cannot prove either way............

.......and I understand about what you say that there are some nutters who commit such atrocities "in the name of God"..............but I will never call then religious.........they are just deluded (or evil)!!!!


Your last paragraph about religious leaders manipulating text to suit their own agendas couldn't be more true................this also is big problem in modern Hinduism...............

 

[twinklEE]

Well I'm a Hindu and I believe Karma as well as rebirth..........


I also believe that good times follow bad times and bad times follow good times............
.

So you truly believe that innocent children deserve to die of malnutrition because they did something bad in their past life? /do you think Michael deserved all the tribulations during his life time as well as his untimely passing? Because he did something wrong in his past life? I don't wanna sound disrespectful but I just don't buy all that, same goes for Christianity or Islam's teachings, the answers I'm yearning to find can simply not be found in a book, be it the Bible, the Quran, the Torah or the Bhagavad Gita. At least I'm not able to find those answers in any 'Holy Book'

 

[Lucilla]

I love science. I believe in the evolution of species and the theory of the big bang.

I just love reading about astronomy, biology and psychology (actually, I'm studying psychology) and the more I read and know about science the more I believe in God.

It's amazing how some people take sides with such anger. The truth is that neither of both sides have the complete answers of everything in this world or the "other" worlds.

 

[morsmordre]

I love science. I believe in the evolution of species and the theory of the big bang.

I just love reading about astrology, biology and psychology (actually, I'm studying psychology) and the more I read and know about science the more I believe in God.

It's amazing how some people take sides with such anger. The truth is that neither of both sides have the complete answers of everything in this world or the "other" worlds.

Really? That's interesting. Because for me it was the complete opposite. I'm studying biology, so I also love science, and I found that the more I studied it the less and less I believed in god. And now I don't believe in him at all

 

[Lucilla]

Really? That's interesting. Because for me it was the complete opposite. I'm studying biology, so I also love science, and I found that the more I studied it the less and less I believed in god. And now I don't believe in him at all

I really do.
I love biology, when I was a kid I thought I was going to study biology, but I didn't. :cheeky:

 

[morsmordre]

I really do.
I love biology, when I was a kid I thought I was going to study biology, but I didn't. :cheeky:

Haha. Well, psychology is pretty interesting too Bio and psych are my two favourite subjects :lol: May I ask how studying science made you believe more?

 

[Lucilla]

Well I can't really put my finger on what makes me believe. It's everything I read since I have memory I guess, astronomy, maths, ethology. I'm not here to try to convince anyone of my believes, when it's about God, everyone has their opinion and I respect that.

 

[morsmordre]

Well I can't really put my finger on what makes me believe. It's everything I read since I have memory I guess, astrology, maths, ethology. I'm not here to try to convince anyone of my believes, when it's about God, everyone has their opinion and I respect that.

No, I know, I was just curious You're the first person I've ever heard say that science made him/her believe more, that's all.

 

[Nirvana]

Just to chuck this out im pretty sure einstein and other famous scientists actually believed in god, Just sayin

The thing that scares me mainly is the idea of hell, So yeah according to the bible im never gonna see certian family members that unfortuantley are probably there right now. Another thing is i belive some what in ghosts and spirits

 

[iluv2drem]

I believe in a higher power but I left my church because they seem to be going so far back in terms of being in touch with the real problems of the world in favor of outdated Dogma. They preach almost weekly how pornography and same sex marriage are the greatest evils in the world with only passing mentions of the wars, natural disasters, corruption etc. It's like they're being paid to keep quiet about the real issues the way media is to keep people in the dark.

 

[Severus Snape]

I love science. I believe in the evolution of species and the theory of the big bang.

I just love reading about astrology, biology and psychology (actually, I'm studying psychology) and the more I read and know about science the more I believe in God.

It's amazing how some people take sides with such anger. The truth is that neither of both sides have the complete answers of everything in this world or the "other" worlds.

I speak only for myself, but I am not at all angry, nor do I think anyone else who has posted on this thread--atheist or otherwise, is angry. You are free to arrive at your own conclusions, as we all are.

In regards to your second statement--surely, you mean astronomy? Astrology is the pseudo-science/occult practice of divining one's future from the movement of the sun, moon, and planets across various constellations, etc. It has little to do with the stars, and nothing at all to do with science. Therefore, if you are referring to the study of space and the stars, the word you seek is "astronomy."

I do agree with your last statement, however, you cannot prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that things like unicorns do not exist. You can deduce by probability and the absence of any physical evidence that they, like god, most likely do not exist.

 

[HIStory]

Just to chuck this out im pretty sure einstein and other famous scientists actually believed in god, Just sayin

Einstein on religion and God:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." (Albert Einstein)

"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." (Albert Einstein)

"Scientific research is based on the idea that everything that takes place is determined by laws of Nature, and therefore this holds for the action of people. For this reason, a research scientist will hardly be inclined to believe that events could be influenced by a prayer, i.e. by a wish addressed to a Supernatural Being."
(Albert Einstein, 1936, The Human Side. Responding to a child who wrote and asked if scientists pray.)

"A man's ethical behaviour should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
(Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science", New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930)

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms."
(Albert Einstein, Obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955)

"The idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I am unable to take seriously." (Albert Einstein, Letter to Hoffman and Dukas, 1946)

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." (Albert Einstein, The Human Side)

"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true....Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me."

See also: Einstein letter calls Bible ‘pretty childish’ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598856/ns/us_news-faith/ )

"The letter up for sale, written to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954, suggests his views on religion did not mellow with age.

In it, Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.

"For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

 

[HIStory]

I have said it before and will say it again. If you wanted to use the Bible to try and prove virtually anything you wanted to, you could find an isolated verse to back that up. But that doesn't mean the Bible is advocating that or even agreeing with .

To me it rather seems like it's Christians those are cherry-picking from the Bible and try to ignore the verses which are erm.... (how to stay polite?) not so good...

I sure did not take anything from context, for example. I studied the Bible for 20 years as Christian. There's a saying that the shortest path leading to atheism is to read the Bible from start to finish. Actually I have seen many people who left Christianity after reading the Bible from start to finish. When they realize the cruelty in it and how it's not all about "Jesus loves you".....

 

[Lucilla]

I speak only for myself, but I am not at all angry, nor do I think anyone else who has posted on this thread--atheist or otherwise, is angry. You are free to arrive at your own conclusions, as we all are.

In regards to your second statement--surely, you mean astronomy? Astrology is the pseudo-science/occult practice of divining one's future from the movement of the sun, moon, and planets across various constellations, etc. It has little to do with the stars, and nothing at all to do with science. Therefore, if you are referring to the study of space and the stars, the word you seek is "astronomy."

I do agree with your last statement, however, you cannot prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that things like unicorns do not exist. You can deduce by probability and the absence of any physical evidence that they, like god, most likely do not exist.

I wasn't talking about you, sorry if you took it personally, I didn't mean to.

Yes I meant astronomy, sorry English is not my native language.

In regards of your last paragraph you certainly can't compare believing in unicorns with believing in some sort of God. The unicorn it's a fantasy creature who doesn't have much, lets say "utility" in the universe. You don't see millions of people fighting because they think they have the truth over the unicorns, and yes that's the danger of religions.
I hope I explained myself clearly.

I'm not trying to begin arguments about the existence of God, so peace and love to yo all and bye bye

 

[AndreyZidane™]

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[smoothcriminal12]

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Some atheists are so full of themselves, and that's why they annoy me so much. I don't mean to be rude, but atheism does not rely on proof or evidence, it flat out denies a God, which is a religion in itself because they absolutely, 100% deny a God.

 

[Alma]

To me it rather seems like it's Christians those are cherry-picking from the Bible and try to ignore the verses which are erm.... (how to stay polite?) not so good...

I sure did not take anything from context, for example. I studied the Bible for 20 years as Christian. There's a saying that the shortest path leading to atheism is to read the Bible from start to finish. Actually I have seen many people who left Christianity after reading the Bible from start to finish. When they realize the cruelty in it and how it's not all about "Jesus loves you".....

No offense to anyone... but radical choices of this kind seem more than likely to be related to some form of mental abuse on behalf of, don't know, maybe certain preachers and priests and other men of God, and by maybe getting sick of being preached, thus feeling the roaming feeling of breaking free from religion and God altogether. For to say that most who've read the Bible from start to finish all became atheists and saw it as cruel is a severe departure from its teachings. Maybe fear is being felt, but God doesn't want people to become crippled with fear, being God-fearing is a totally different feeling that needs to be cultivated. The entourage and certain types of preachers, or being led astray along the way with real propagandistic messages from politics, art, even music, cartoons, sports, and yes, even some religious cults have done a mighty efficient hell of a job in infiltrating our subconscious, the way we think and feel.

Really sad... and with the risk of sounding stereotypical and even nauseating to some, but the truths will all be shown to everyone, and most will be regretting the ignorant things they are saying about God and the Bible. God could crush one such being to the ground without being able to ever wake up, yet His patience and love make Him to subdue this anger with many. Many getting second chances at life, at love, or whatever, and yet they're taking that for granted. When that inevitable end comes for us all, it will be all too late to retract everything wrong we've done, for He won't relent again.

Again, anyone may laugh, roll eyes, show anger and spite at such posts, but one day everything will be shown and judged. ..

 

[ginvid]

To me it rather seems like it's Christians those are cherry-picking from the Bible and try to ignore the verses which are erm.... (how to stay polite?) not so good...

I sure did not take anything from context, for example. I studied the Bible for 20 years as Christian. There's a saying that the shortest path leading to atheism is to read the Bible from start to finish. Actually I have seen many people who left Christianity after reading the Bible from start to finish. When they realize the cruelty in it and how it's not all about "Jesus loves you".....

There is a huge difference between reading and understanding. Anyone who does not see the message of love in the Bible does not understand it. I have seen many turn to Christianity after reading it from beginning to end. So your point is moot.

And how long you studied the Bible does not matter. You can read or "sutdy" something for many years and still not have an understanding of what the true message is. Isn't that what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for? They had studied the law for decades, yet they missed what was important. They still could not understand what was necessary for them to do.

 

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There is a huge difference between reading and understanding. Anyone who does not see the message of love in the Bible does not understand it. I have seen many turn to Christianity after reading it from beginning to end. So your point is moot.

And how long you studied the Bible does not matter. You can read or "sutdy" something for many years and still not have an understanding of what the true message is. Isn't that what Jesus condemned the Pharisees for? They had studied the law for decades, yet they missed what was important. They still could not understand what was necessary for them to do.

thank you Ginvid..I could not of said it better myself..:agree: