Autopsy Photo's, Crime Scene Pic to Show what really happened to our MJ!?

[jrsfan]

The only thing threads like this do are spread more rumor and speculations and accusations. Truthfully, yes, Michael was murdered. I believe that whole-heartedly. Yet there are fans who do not believe this was the case. Was Dr. Murray the only person involved in what happened. I think not. But we also have to be careful of wrongfully convicting those that worked with him. There was so much hatred shown toward Kenny Ortega and that was wrong! I believe Karen Faye is the one fueling a lot of this. Kenny loved Michael very much and they were friends for over 20 years. He would never do anything to harm Michael.

Secondly, those horrid photos all over YT are fake. I'm not talking about the ones showing him in the ambulance either. I also do not believe that Michael's autopsy photos should be released to anyone other than Katherine Jackson or the executors who have legal authority in the estate. I see no purpose of Joe Jackson or his attorney getting access to those photos whatsoever. It doesn't matter that he's his father. And I do not trust they will do the right thing with them. I'm afraid those will end up in the hands of the media.

Also has anyone really ever questioned why Joe Jackson, Deepak Chopra, Brian Oxman and Leonard Rowe were the first people to accuse Michael of being a drug addict? This was a day after Michael died! Really is that how any parent would want their son to be remembered, especially knowing that pain he went through while alive? Oxman and Chopra claimed they knew who was giving Michael drugs, allegedly, yet they did not contact authorities that they felt he might be in danger? So many people have said that Michael could have been saved, yet why was there no attempt. True enough there was security around him, but no one thought to contact the authorities to get inside the home or inside the Staples Center where he rehearsed? Did they feel there was no danger to the children as well?

There is a lot going on around this case that we really just don't know about yet. We all are hurt, but we have to understand that there is info that DOES NOT need to be released at this time. The authorities are not taking this much time because of Dr. Conrad Murray. There are many others involved and this will continue to roll out over time. This case will last for years I'm afraid. But I do believe Michael will have justice one way or another.

According to Joe Jackson in the die Bild interview, he went to the police a week before he died.

According to Klein (not the best source, but), the family asked him to help them intervene (I don't think he gave a date, but I would have to review TMZ) but he also said he had a copy of an email where the family was contacting a doctor for rehab 2 days before he died. Klein said the family called all around for a doctor.

http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive/
part 10

I had forgotten - but Dileo called Dr. Klein's office apparently when MJ went to the hospital.

 

[Moddie777]

Yea I just notice they where goin when I went back looking when Moddie asked the other day I hope they are archived too. But Thank You I did not know he greeted Fans that morning at that dreadful house. But since we are allowed to Speculate over here may I say this "what if that was one of his Double's ? I read somewhere on the net that there are people who believe that wasnt even Michael Jackson making those "02 Concert annoucement", now we all know he was still alive at that time but people where really serious about it, if anyone wants Im sure Google it and can find it. Some had said Michael didnt walk like that, that person keep there head down and Michael never did, they where reading Body Lanague like crazy, they had close-up pictures of his face and I dont remember what they where saying but they did point something out. I mean its a Murder and Murderers go to Great Lenghts, but Thanks for the Info I didnt even know that he had Greeted People, Wow !


I just wanted to comment with respect to you; the Disclaimer states "this forum we question Michael's death, the latest news and stories surrounding his death and the conspiracy theories - contains heavy spectulation , with that said alot of stuff that was once rumor or speculations have already come true as fact, some of us where just talking about that the other day and its no doubt some of what you call "accusations" are going to turn out to be Factual True. I believe as you do that Michael Jackson was Murdered, no Accident, no Manslaughter, no Negligence, and Im glad MJJCommunity allow Michael's Fans a place to Speculate until Proven in the I.U., these same names are the same ones all over the Internet as being involved in Michael's Murder so its not just here, as far as "wronfully convicting anyone that remains to be seen until arrest are made" because as they say in a Murder "EVERYONE IS A SUSPECT UNTIL PROVEN NOT" but from what Ive read in the I.U.some of these Fans really know what they are talking about and alot of Good Information have come through here. It may last for years thats why there is "No Stature of Limitations on Murder in the USA". A person can be 99 years old but a conviction can put that person away if found Guilty even of a 50 year old Murder, dont you Love America. Peace

Thank you for posting this.

We regulars in this section, think more alike than not.

 

[Autumn II]

According to Joe Jackson in the die Bild interview, he went to the police a week before he died.

According to Klein (not the best source, but), the family asked him to help them intervene (I don't think he gave a date, but I would have to review TMZ) but he also said he had a copy of an email where the family was contacting a doctor for rehab 2 days before he died. Klein said the family called all around for a doctor.

http://www.tmz.com/tmzlive/
part 10

I had forgotten - but Dileo called Dr. Klein's office apparently when MJ went to the hospital.

This is incredibly significant information, and I hope the LAPD seriously consider it.

I really do believe that Michael was murdered. Not an accident, not "negligence," but a planned murder.

 

[Moddie777]

I remember reading that post by Moth2aflame and it stuck with me but I dind't take it as fact, it sounds more like it was his/her opinion/speculation about what might have happened . Although.. how someone can think up that elaborate scenario just like that without having any real info is beyond me...
Moddie777 said she/he's not here anymore, anyone know why? Seems weird.

And about some threads missing - remember there was a massive MJ sites crash a while back ? It was weird cause it seemed like a planned thing, all those boards going down at the same time? I think data was lost/erased when that happened, mods could maybe tell us.

Either way, all of this that's been said in this thread gives me the creeps and for Mike's sake I kinda hope it's not true... I'm leaning towards believing his death was deliberate it's just I would imagine there would be easier ways of doing it - what would be the point of them making him go into cardiac arrest a number of times and revived just to do it again like Moth2aflame said? You would think there would be signs of that in the autopsy as well...
I don't know, all of this is starting to sound like a horror movie.:-(

If I am rememebring correctly "Moth2aflame" came here right after the Murder and I think they were banned but i don't know why, I wasn't online when it happened. All I remember is coming back and noticed they wasn't here, days and weeks went by, then I came across a post of theirs and saw their name had a line through it. Never saw them again on here.

As far as why our Michael could possibly be murdered this way:

We have to remember one very important facture, whether he was murdered the way moth2aflame said or close to it, his enemies have wanted his Sony Catalog for a very very long time. In his lifetime he made alot of people very angry towards him for holding onto it and not giving them the power over it as they wanted. Those responsible for planning his murder must have also felt a sense of jealousy towards him for making the purchase in the first place.

I think Anger along with Jealousy, especially when it festers for long periods can make people do very deranged things against other human beings. Whatever happened, I think cruelty and not compassion was involved in how they treated him in those last hours and moments, so with that and more, my instincts tells me it didn't happen at all the way Murray has said.

 

[Gaiaschild]

Thanks for posting that post of moth2aflame, I wondered what happened to moth2aflame, s/he just disappeared, I really loved her/his posts they resonated right to the core of my being.

 

[Autumn II]

Thanks for posting that post of moth2aflame, I wondered what happened to moth2aflame, s/he just disappeared, I really loved her/his posts they resonated right to the core of my being.

If her name had a line through it, that means she was banned. I have no idea "for what," though. (Sorry, but I don't remember the posts.)

 

[Moddie777]

Thanks for posting that post of moth2aflame, I wondered what happened to moth2aflame, s/he just disappeared, I really loved her/his posts they resonated right to the core of my being.

You and me both....

 

[ivy]

According to Klein (not the best source, but), the family asked him to help them intervene (I don't think he gave a date, but I would have to review TMZ) but he also said he had a copy of an email where the family was contacting a doctor for rehab 2 days before he died. Klein said the family called all around for a doctor.

I had forgotten - but Dileo called Dr. Klein's office apparently when MJ went to the hospital.

Klein said he himself twice intervened and got MJ off in the past - he mentioned tour and his nurse and him staying with him at night to stop the doctors giving him stuff. So I guess at least one of his intervention was at dangerous or history tour. He said family tried twice as well - one in Vegas (2008?) that failed because they could not get in the house and one 2 days before his death - the drug addiction specialist apparently refused their request due to the fact that previous interventions all failed.

This is incredibly significant information, and I hope the LAPD seriously consider it.

I really do believe that Michael was murdered. Not an accident, not "negligence," but a planned murder.

I don't know but I kinda think like this actually works for Murray's defense as it portray a long term use. I don't know.

 

[daisydaisy]

And about some threads missing - remember there was a massive MJ sites crash a while back ? It was weird cause it seemed like a planned thing, all those boards going down at the same time? I think data was lost/erased when that happened, mods could maybe tell us.

I was thinking exactly the same thing Angel. Does anyone know what happened that weekend? Nearly all MJ boards were offline unexpectedly for a long time.

I know when it was re-booted we lost the last few days posting history for all users....was something said that shouldn't have been?? I wonder if anything else went missing off here when this happened? But why were lots of MJ boards affected simultaneously? It creeped me out and I don't think there has been a proper explanation.

 

[Autumn II]

I was thinking exactly the same thing Angel. Does anyone know what happened that weekend? Nearly all MJ boards were offline unexpectedly for a long time.

I know when it was re-booted we lost the last few days posting history for all users....was something said that shouldn't have been?? I wonder if anything else went missing off here when this happened? But why were lots of MJ boards affected simultaneously? It creeped me out and I don't think there has been a proper explanation.

I'm not sure if stuff was lost then, from MJJC. I know that after that there was some sort of error that bounced us back a couple of weeks. I think that data was lost.

There was that one weekend when nearly EVERY MJJ board was offline simultaneously, and some of those that weren't, were hacked and struggling. No, there's never been a "proper explanation" for why all those boards went down at nearly the same time. . . . . (well, duh? :doh

 

[LindaC781]

Moddie, what a coincidence, that is exactly what I thought of when I first heard the sheets were changed. Actually, it was the first thing that popped into my mind. thank you for telling me.

and yes, it would show force. not only that...it would show a man already sick with too much medication, and who knows that he can't take in anything else, asking for EVEN MORE!!!!

Oh My Dear God. How could anyone do this to someone??? This makes me sick to my stomach.

 

[daisydaisy]

I'm not sure if stuff was lost then, from MJJC. I know that after that there was some sort of error that bounced us back a couple of weeks. I think that data was lost.

There was that one weekend when nearly EVERY MJJ board was offline simultaneously, and some of those that weren't, were hacked and struggling. No, there's never been a "proper explanation" for why all those boards went down at nearly the same time. . . . . (well, duh? :doh

Yeah, I know the cause of the 'offlines' is kinda obvious, but is it actually known who did it?

 

[earth child]

I'm not sure if stuff was lost then, from MJJC. I know that after that there was some sort of error that bounced us back a couple of weeks. I think that data was lost.

There was that one weekend when nearly EVERY MJJ board was offline simultaneously, and some of those that weren't, were hacked and struggling. No, there's never been a "proper explanation" for why all those boards went down at nearly the same time. . . . . (well, duh? :doh

We lost some posts and threads at MJFC around that time to. I do not think it was an accident, as a lot of MJ boards were affected. I wish I knew what was lost!

 

[jrsfan]

Klein said he himself twice intervened and got MJ off in the past - he mentioned tour and his nurse and him staying with him at night to stop the doctors giving him stuff. So I guess at least one of his intervention was at dangerous or history tour. He said family tried twice as well - one in Vegas (2008?) that failed because they could not get in the house and one 2 days before his death - the drug addiction specialist apparently refused their request due to the fact that previous interventions all failed.



I don't know but I kinda think like this actually works for Murray's defense as it portray a long term use. I don't know.

It would help him except for all the wierd things he did - that he didn't tell the paramedics or the hospital what he had given him, CPR on the bed, not calling 911 etc. Plus he was the final doctor that did the administering.

If "Tippy" Alvarez did call Joe at 11:30 about MJ & Joe screamed to call 911 - I think that would seal it too. Although the article could have been a misprint & it may have been 12:30.

 

[Popescu]

It would help him except for all the wierd things he did - that he didn't tell the paramedics or the hospital what he had given him, CPR on the bed, not calling 911 etc. Plus he was the final doctor that did the administering.

If "Tippy" Alvarez did call Joe at 11:30 about MJ & Joe screamed to call 911 - I think that would seal it too. Although the article could have been a misprint & it may have been 12:30.

I was researching involuntary manslaughter - if that’s the case, murray walks. I really hope they are going after this :

“In jurisdictions such as Pennsylvania, if a person is so reckless as to "manifest extreme indifference to human life", the defendant may be guilty of aggravated assault as well as of involuntary manslaughter.[17]

In many jurisdictions such as California, malice may be found if gross negligence amounts to wilful or depraved indifference to human life. In such a case, the wrongdoer may be guilty of second degree murder.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manslaughter

 

[Dangerous Incorporated]

Can Gary give us any information please that he knows regarding the crash of all MJ boards?

 

[jrsfan]

Michael needed to be secured. That's why security was risen.

Two possible scenarios:

- he wanted to focus on the shows as those were not ready. There was not even one 'full run' done till the 25th.

or

- the fans and everybody was kept away from him as he was talking to the outside (fans for sure!) about that he wasn't too happy with the plan on doing those 50 shows. No possibility for him to do that anymore.



Yeah there is this ferry tale that Michael Jackson felt betrayed by fans who were those giving information to the media he didn't want there.
To me that's clearly a ferry tale. Michael was in the business longer than most of us are breathing in this world yet. He was a professional in every sense. What he didn't want out there, didn't slip his lips. Well that's my opinion of cuz, everybody is free to disagree.

Oh and let me add according to Murray landlines weren't working in Michaels home at least on the private floor and cellphones according to other staff members often didn't get a connection.
How lucky the cellphone for the emergency call made it through... just hours too late...

Gosh we're fed so much contradicting stuff.

But well the truth will prevail, it always does. And I'll still be here when it does.

There could be another scenario, or maybe a combo of your 2nd one, where someone tipped Phillips that MJ's family was trying to get him help for drug addiction. Which would explain the family being blocked in the last 3 weeks. Karen Faye took her concerns to Dileo & Phillips & they had a meeting with the Dr. Murray. Other people had to have noticed things being wrong besides FF & KF. The old chef saw the oxygen tanks, other people had to have also. If I am AEG, I am doing my own independent checking as I have a huge investment. It seems likely that someone from AEG knew about the propofol.

We don't know who Joe talked to in the police dept. one week before but Leiweke of AEG is friends with Bratton, former LAPD chief. Bratton is married to Randy Klieman, former CTV anchor. Leiweke is in a video giving a testimonial on her website for her book.

Leiweke was closely following things too, he was called at 12:30 the day MJ went to the hospital, so before the ambulance took him there. I have a link:

http://www.billboard.com/news/news/...-inside-story-of-the-michael-1004032063.story

At 12:30 p.m. June 25, Leiweke received a call informing him Jackson had been taken to the hospital. "Like the rest of the world, we were on the outside," he says. "Randy [Phillips] didn't know specifics until he got to the hospital, and by then, unfortunately, it was our worst scenario. It was shocking because what we knew was he was healthy-of that we were certain."

LAPD said they were called at 1, by AEG, could be the hospital?

 

[Moddie777]

I can't say this enough,

We should really keep a mental note of all the initial reports of the "unofficial" scene in the bedroom, autopsy report and condition of body.

Something tells me, more of the truth are in those initial reportings regardless of how officials tried to shoot it down and redirect our attention to their anger at the possible leak(s), remember that?

This is all so Tragic.

And so real.

 

[Autumn II]

I can't say this enough,

We should really keep a mental note of all the initial reports of the "unofficial" scene in the bedroom, autopsy report and condition of body.

Something tells me, more of the truth are in those initial reportings regardless of how officials tried to shoot it down and redirect our attention to their anger at the possible leak(s), remember that?

This is all so Tragic.

And so real.

More and more, I'm thinking those INITIAL reports were the genuine ones, before the spin. That Jermaine said Tohme was with Michael when he died (and not Murray). And that those tabloid photos of the "death-room" were genuine. I shudder to think of those. That Karen Faye (whatever we think of her. . doesn't matter) said MJ weighed 108. That looks accurate (that white t-shirt photo?) The phones were cut off. The Security tapes went missing. What ARE the LAPD doing???????

 

[TinaG]

More and more, I'm thinking those INITIAL reports were the genuine ones, before the spin. That Jermaine said Tohme was with Michael when he died (and not Murray). And that those tabloid photos of the "death-room" were genuine. I shudder to think of those. That Karen Faye (whatever we think of her. . doesn't matter) said MJ weighed 108. That looks accurate (that white t-shirt photo?) The phones were cut off. The Security tapes went missing. What ARE the LAPD doing???????

I have always wondered about those "death-room" photos myself. You can find pics of the inside of the Carolwood home online, many of them taken before MJ even lived there (and listed on real estate sites, etc). If you compare those photos with the death-room photos, the furniture and bedding is an exact match. Everything in there matches up.

 

[Popescu]

More and more, I'm thinking those INITIAL reports were the genuine ones, before the spin. That Jermaine said Tohme was with Michael when he died (and not Murray). And that those tabloid photos of the "death-room" were genuine. I shudder to think of those. That Karen Faye (whatever we think of her. . doesn't matter) said MJ weighed 108. That looks accurate (that white t-shirt photo?) The phones were cut off. The Security tapes went missing. What ARE the LAPD doing???????

I have always wondered about those "death-room" photos myself. You can find pics of the inside of the Carolwood home online, many of them taken before MJ even lived there (and listed on real estate sites, etc). If you compare those photos with the death-room photos, the furniture and bedding is an exact match. Everything in there matches up.

Ok, I’ve been meaning to discuss this with you for a long time. I know it’s a sensitive subject, so please, if I’m out of line, mods, do tell, or if anyone is hurt by reading this, I apologise. We’re not allowed to post the picture here but we can speculate about the objects that were found in the room. I’ll just copy/paste from the article, as the story matches the photo.

"AMBU BAG - a manual pump device used by medics to force air through a mask and into the lungs to keep an unconscious patient alive. The INSTRUCTION LEAFLET is alongside.

ALCOHOL PREPARATION PADS used for cleaning the skin before drug injections, a roll of SURGICAL TAPE and a box of disposable LATEX GLOVES.

On the bedside table is a large landline PHONE.

Abandoned on the bed is a string of Middle Eastern-style PRAYER BEADS, worn by Jackson around his neck.

An INCONTINENCE PAD sits in the centre of the bed.

The length of blue ribbon alongside is believed to have been used as a MAKESHIFT TOURNIQUET, to bind the star's arm and find a vein so drugs could be administered.

Out of view of the camera, according to our insider, are oxygen bottles used to treat the star as part of his heavy-duty prescription drugs regime."

I left out the doll, the glasses case, etc, I don’t find them relevant. The assumptions from the tabloid are also unnecessary, like the tourniquet to make a vein, but I pasted it because I could not find a decent photo to see what it was really.

What does not make sense: early reports said that he was found in Murray’s room, and this clearly is his room. Another story said that the kids were not allowed in the room where “daddy got his oxigen”, and that was Murray’s room. This is an inconsistency that may support the theory that he was moved.


Also, about Tohme. Right after Michael’s passing, I was reading almost every comment made on TMZ by the users, and there was one user (I thought at the time that it might be someone from tmz, still not sure), who claimed that in the house there were one doc and one, possibly two brothers. Also, he suggested that the doctor was NOT Murray, but Tohme, and that the brothers involved were Jermaine and possibly Randy. Were did Jemaine say he was when he heard the news? (I’m not asking about Tohme, since I know that he did not do interviews, maybe just one, LKL?)

 

[xthunderx2]

also...now I added this to a thread right after Michael passed away..there was a thread for it at the time..it is this.......remember the imformous 911 call?....well....right after Michael first passed away not only did I hear the original 911 call that we have all heard about 100000 times ..but...I also heard ANOTHER 911 call..from that same day from that same time..it was kind of like the other one EXCEPT it was cut off... and I swear ..it sounded just like JERMAINE. Well anyway I heard the call a couple of times on that day ..but I NEVER heard that same phone call ever again....I searched youtube for days afterwords searching for THAT 911 call and I never did find it...BUT...I KNOW what I heard....it still eats me up this very day that I know I heard it and I cannot find the proof.....it makes me very angry.

 

[xthunderx2]

Ok, I’ve been meaning to discuss this with you for a long time. I know it’s a sensitive subject, so please, if I’m out of line, mods, do tell, or if anyone is hurt by reading this, I apologise. We’re not allowed to post the picture here but we can speculate about the objects that were found in the room. I’ll just copy/paste from the article, as the story matches the photo.

"AMBU BAG - a manual pump device used by medics to force air through a mask and into the lungs to keep an unconscious patient alive. The INSTRUCTION LEAFLET is alongside.

ALCOHOL PREPARATION PADS used for cleaning the skin before drug injections, a roll of SURGICAL TAPE and a box of disposable LATEX GLOVES.

On the bedside table is a large landline PHONE.

Abandoned on the bed is a string of Middle Eastern-style PRAYER BEADS, worn by Jackson around his neck.

An INCONTINENCE PAD sits in the centre of the bed.

The length of blue ribbon alongside is believed to have been used as a MAKESHIFT TOURNIQUET, to bind the star's arm and find a vein so drugs could be administered.

Out of view of the camera, according to our insider, are oxygen bottles used to treat the star as part of his heavy-duty prescription drugs regime."

I left out the doll, the glasses case, etc, I don’t find them relevant. The assumptions from the tabloid are also unnecessary, like the tourniquet to make a vein, but I pasted it because I could not find a decent photo to see what it was really.

What does not make sense: early reports said that he was found in Murray’s room, and this clearly is his room. Another story said that the kids were not allowed in the room where “daddy got his oxigen”, and that was Murray’s room. This is an inconsistency that may support the theory that he was moved.


Also, about Tohme. Right after Michael’s passing, I was reading almost every comment made on TMZ by the users, and there was one user (I thought at the time that it might be someone from tmz, still not sure), who claimed that in the house there were one doc and one, possibly two brothers. Also, he suggested that the doctor was NOT Murray, but Tohme, and that the brothers involved were Jermaine and possibly Randy. Were did Jemaine say he was when he heard the news? (I’m not asking about Tohme, since I know that he did not do interviews, maybe just one, LKL?)

as for your question about where Jermaine says he was......I just looked up the youtube video again and he says.."I was across town when I got the phone call from my mother telling me Michael had passed"........hmm...this is what he told Matt Lauer in an interview....I however have my own suspicions too about Jermaine and Thome...

 

[Popescu]

Thunder, do you remember the name of the video? I've searched for it, but all I could come up with is the background voices on the original call, you can clearly hear someone panicking and saying, "they need to come".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7fgJPM-rg

I have no reason to lie about what I've read on TMZ. This poster calls himself "puppet master hint", and I see that he's stil active, although, at the time, his comments were erased hours after, and could be found only in cache.

I use a special method of searching google, and then press cache instead of the actual page, it shows an image of the site, "frozen in time. Like this:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source...mz.com&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=&fp=ba0a4630ce98f7da

The messages were very criptic, like a puzzle, and when I tried to solve some of them, it led me to Colony Capital, AEG, Tohme, etc. My guess is, and was, that this is someone from TMZ staff, who is tring to stir up the views. Whether there is truth in what he said, I don't know. But this is how I first learned about this tangled web.

The messages were like this :
"26. TOHME R TOHME=T.R.W.=James and SIG his buddies
Posted at 1:31AM on Jan 3rd 2010 by Puppet Master hint".

I stopped trying to make any sense of them when many impersonators appeared, in August I believe.

 

[xthunderx2]

Thunder, do you remember the name of the video? I've searched for it, but all I could come up with is the background voices on the original call, you can clearly hear someone panicking and saying, "they need to come".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-7fgJPM-rg

I have no reason to lie about what I've read on TMZ. This poster calls himself "puppet master hint", and I see that he's stil active, although, at the time, his comments were erased hours after, and could be found only in cache.

I use a special method of searching google, and then press cache instead of the actual page, it shows an image of the site, "frozen in time. Like this:
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source...mz.com&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=&fp=ba0a4630ce98f7da

The messages were very criptic, like a puzzle, and when I tried to solve some of them, it led me to Colony Capital, AEG, Tohme, etc. My guess is, and was, that this is someone from TMZ staff, who is tring to stir up the views. Whether there is truth in what he said, I don't know. But this is how I first learned about this tangled web.

The messages were like this :
"26. TOHME R TOHME=T.R.W.=James and SIG his buddies
Posted at 1:31AM on Jan 3rd 2010 by Puppet Master hint".

I stopped trying to make any sense of them when many impersonators appeared, in August I believe.

see that;s the thing I NEVER found it on youtube..I heard it on the news like cnn..cmsnbc...fox.....and after a couple of days I NEVER heard it again......I know I have also heard someone int he backround of the version that is on youtube to me it sounds like Murray.......other thing is...when the 911 operator askes the caller did you see what happend and he says no but the doctor DID he was the only one there at the time...and then you hear Murray in the backround getting all excited and tripping over his own words.....so what you are saying is that........the things that you managed to detangle came out to colony and AEG????.......I may be misunderstanding you...I know absolutely nothing about how to cache stuff......I just keep searching everything about those 911 calls I can find....I KNOW it has to be there somewhere.

 

[Popescu]

so what you are saying is that........the things that you managed to detangle came out to colony and AEG????.......I may be misunderstanding you...I know absolutely nothing about how to cache stuff......I just keep searching everything about those 911 calls I can find....I KNOW it has to be there somewhere.

Yes. The puzzles all lead to Tohme, Colony Capital, AEG, and amongst these things, there was the information that in the house were, I'm quoting from memory "1 doc, 2 bros", the doc was clearly Tohme, first brother was Jermaine.

I don't personally cache stuff, google does, and you can find everything by doing a search (there is a "Cache" button at the end of the info about the sites).

 

[daisy]

see that;s the thing I NEVER found it on youtube..I heard it on the news like cnn..cmsnbc...fox.....and after a couple of days I NEVER heard it again......I know I have also heard someone int he backround of the version that is on youtube to me it sounds like Murray.......other thing is...when the 911 operator askes the caller did you see what happend and he says no but the doctor DID he was the only one there at the time...and then you hear Murray in the backround getting all excited and tripping over his own words.....so what you are saying is that........the things that you managed to detangle came out to colony and AEG????.......I may be misunderstanding you...I know absolutely nothing about how to cache stuff......I just keep searching everything about those 911 calls I can find....I KNOW it has to be there somewhere.

Guys I think I saw some hoax-believers showing some proof that there were actually two 911 phonecalls (naturally, they include this in their evidence section), I'm almost sure about that. So maybe this is included as a part of one of those hoax videos.

 

[xthunderx2]

Guys I think I saw some hoax-believers showing some proof that there were actually two 911 phonecalls (naturally, they include this in their evidence section), I'm almost sure about that. So maybe this is included as a part of one of those hoax videos.

do you possibly have a link to that video or phone call?....because the one I am talking about came out the SAME day Michael passed....wouldn't it be something if I have been looking for that phone call for 7 months and somone else had it the whole time...it would be great if you knew where to find it.

 

[daisy]

do you possibly have a link to that video or phone call?....because the one I am talking about came out the SAME day Michael passed....wouldn't it be something if I have been looking for that phone call for 7 months and somone else had it the whole time...it would be great if you knew where to find it.

I'm already looking for it. But if that's something that went on on the 25th I am no loger so sure the hoaxers have it in their videos (sorry about that).

On the other hand I remember saving some link (not the one we're looking for right now) but then the hoax site was moving - boards closed and reopened under different names.

 

[xthunderx2]

I'm already looking for it. But if that's something that went on on the 25th I am no loger so sure the hoaxers have it in their videos (sorry about that).

On the other hand I remember saving some link (not the one we're looking for right now) but then the hoax site was moving - boards closed and reopened under different names.

ohh..I see...well that sure would of been a great find....thank you anyway...