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This was originally posted by Eternity's Child.;

  1. March 25th, 2008 | 11:23 amLogan
    To be very honest…
    Even if you don’t like the man.
    Even if you feel that he is a lousy human being.
    You CANNOT, absolutely CANNOT deny his amazing God given talent.
    He has MORE talent in his PINKIE that the WHOLE of the music business has right now.
    And I’m not just saying this because I’m a fan. Do your reading. Check out the HEIGHTS his career went to…they were unprecedented.
    As a music artist I feel he is very much UNDER APPRECIATED.
    His music was amazing with many complex layers working together in concert to produce a beautiful sound. Just listen to the complexity of Billie Jean…all those layers. His song was one of the first to do that…way back in the 80’s and they’re STILL doing it now.
    His dancing was fluid, smooth and precise…he SANG his music with his body.
    Just watch how all will mourn him when he his gone, even the ones who bad-mouthed him the most.
    There will NEVER EVER be anyone of his talent and star magnitude again…and even if there is, he/she won’t be able to go where MJ went before.
    You don’t have to love the man, heck you don’t even have to like him…just don’t ignore his music.
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Is it even important to like the artists in order to enjoy or appreciate their music. the vast majority of artist that I like are strangers to me with regards their personal life. MJ is the only artist I know about. All my other favourites I couldn't tell you if they are married or have children. I honestly know nothing about them and really do not care to know. I watched the Ray Charles film and was surprised at how lousy he was as a husband and father, I still love his music.
 
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Who cares what they think of him. If they like him it's alright if they don't it's alright as well. Michael has nothing more to prove and I would be happy if they stop comparing his art to other aspects!
 
Who cares what they think of him. If they like him it's alright if they don't it's alright as well. Michael has nothing more to prove and I would be happy if they stop comparing his art to other aspects!
I agree, but what is your opinion of the article that I posted?:)
 
I read all the articles negative and positive. I have come to the following conclusion...I agree with his comment but as I posted above I would like them to stop referring to his personal affairs. We all know that Michael can't have a life like ours because he belongs in a whole different status but this shouldn't be considered as bizarre. The trial is over, the scandals are over so please concentrate on the man's art and contribution to music and humanity and leave the rest aside. Michael has a life of his own and he doesn't have to compensate!
 
I read all the articles negative and positive. I have come to the following conclusion...I agree with his comment but as I posted above I would like them to stop referring to his personal affairs. We all know that Michael can't have a life like ours because he belongs in a whole different status but this shouldn't be considered as bizarre. The trial is over, the scandals are over so please concentrate on the man's art and contribution to music and humanity and leave the rest aside. Michael has a life of his own and he doesn't have to compensate!
I agree. I think that was the aim of the writer as well. That was why he started off that way. It was a strategy to get the haters to get away from his private life and focus on his music. He was in fact saying, 'Yes, I have heard it all before, so now lets talk about the music'. Notice that he went full blast into the music afterwards.:)
 
I think that the person writing the response you posted, are trying to reason with people who believe all the trash that are written about Michael.
If she/ he was speaking to someone who also liked him, both as a person and as an artist whats written would propably be different.

As I see it, there are different groups of people when it comes to Michael:

Its the people that hate him with a vengance, and its hard to realy tell why- as in many cases it seems that their hate realy has nothing to do with Michael and more to do with who they are, and what they have experienced. There are also the rather immature "hater", that just get his kicks out of pushing peoples buttons.

Then there are the people who don`t realy like his music, or are indifferent to it. They may believe in all the rubbish written about him, but that is mostly because they realy don`t invest mutch thought or energy into it. And people are influenced by the massive negativity in the press ( thats why idiotic commercials has effect- if repeated long enough, people believe that "cilit Bang" realy is the best washing product on the market. They may just as well have bought something realy old fashioned that would have worked just as well- but that is how marketing works).

Then there are people who like him as an artist, but don`t come to terms with everything that has happened. Makes them uncomfortable. Mostly because they have a gut feeling its not right, but they don`t have the info to back them up. And they don`t know where to get it. And might not have the time, or incentive enough to go looking.

The thing is, what I have experienced is that MOST people belong to the "like him as an artist", and whenever his music is played they run to the dancefloor.
And: most people in this cathegory is the same as I am with most artists that I like; I don`t particularily care who the artist is as a person. And sometimes, I think that is very healthy, because the need to know everything is part of what creates the mess of tabloids, gossip, rumors etc.....
Just with Michael its all been impossible to avoid, as it has been too mutch. So people form half hearted opinions on the matter ( about as heart felt as if they should go in to an argument about witch shampoo is the best). But they do love the music.

As a fan, I no longer care about the haters- as their opinion often are based on personal issues, witch often would require proffessional work to get to the bottom of ( I had a heated discussion with someone, turned out she had been molested as a child, and this was her way of showing her anger- easier then focusing on her family, and it is actually understandable).
The people who claim to only like his music, well- let them! As long as they buy it, and enjoy it its actually a very NORMAL way of enjoying music!! No need to make a big fuzz about it.

I think the main problem is that because the treatment of Michael has been so unfair, and we like him so mutch - we tend to want to defend im even when he doesn`t need defending. And doing that we may cause more harm then good at this moment.
What I think is, that I defend him when needed ( inform about facts when appropriate), and rather turn the dicussion towards the whole problem with the media, and peoples need for gossip. Usualy does the trick.....................
And the message should be ( in my opinion) that its fine to just love his music, his art. I think its time to become more relaxed about it. That is also a way of making it possible for people to change their mind about things the easy way. You know, if you try to change someones mind by forcing them, they may agree with you at the end of the dicussion because you have proven your point. But most likely, you would also have caused some resentment, because nobody likes to be forced to admit they are wrong. But if people are alowed to make up their own mind ( and you just speak about why you like this or that etc.. and show interest for the other persons view on things) they may change their mind themself, withour resentment or a hard battle of minds.
 
This was originally posted by Eternity's Child.;
  1. March 25th, 2008 | 11:23 amLogan
    To be very honest…
    Even if you don’t like the man.
    Even if you feel that he is a lousy human being.
    You CANNOT, absolutely CANNOT deny his amazing God given talent.
    He has MORE talent in his PINKIE that the WHOLE of the music business has right now.
    And I’m not just saying this because I’m a fan. Do your reading. Check out the HEIGHTS his career went to…they were unprecedented.
    As a music artist I feel he is very much UNDER APPRECIATED.
    His music was amazing with many complex layers working together in concert to produce a beautiful sound. Just listen to the complexity of Billie Jean…all those layers. His song was one of the first to do that…way back in the 80’s and they’re STILL doing it now.
    His dancing was fluid, smooth and precise…he SANG his music with his body.
    Just watch how all will mourn him when he his gone, even the ones who bad-mouthed him the most.
    There will NEVER EVER be anyone of his talent and star magnitude again…and even if there is, he/she won’t be able to go where MJ went before.
    You don’t have to love the man, heck you don’t even have to like him…just don’t ignore his music.
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If this is positive or negative... I think it's positive because from what I've read of eternitys child before.
However I have a slight problem with this line:
Even if you feel that he is a lousy human being.
because it is respecting disrespect at least to me if someone would really say so and one just takes it.
BUT I'm not sure that's the case. so nothing wrong here.
I agree noone has to like Michael as a person.
One can enjoy his music without knowing a thing about him.

If it's that judgemental to call him a 'lousy human being' without that someone knows a thing about him I'd step in. And I have a feeling it should be hard to prove that Michael is a lousy human being.
So I'd say something at least to expose how ignorant the one saying so obviously must be in case other ppl don't notice. Everyone deserves at least one fair chance to know better.

That Michael Jackson wrote music history is easily to prove and noone whoever wants to talk bad or even anything what will happen would ever be able to change this again.
Professional musicians as much as every true expert of the business doesn't doubt it anyways! lol
 
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I don't think it's THAT bad. I've read comments about MJ on various gossip sites and celebrity forums which are a 100 times worse than the one posted above.
 
It is a nice post. I have noticed that people can't really express their feelings on this board, like some of the better boards or they get deleted. Doesn't it bother you that if you don't agree with what the owner of the site does, your post gets deleted.
I think people should say who they feel....unless it is vulgar or bullying other users.
 
I don't think it's THAT bad. I've read comments about MJ on various gossip sites and celebrity forums which are a 100 times worse than the one posted above.
I see what you mean. My point is that the writer was actually having a go at the haters by saying, Even if you think the way you do, you cannot deny his talent. It doesn't mean that the writer believes he is that way, but he is saying that even if people think that way, they cannot seny his talent.
I remember a documentary on tv last year which started off just like that and was a very positive docu. It says something like,' You can say what you like about Michael Jackson, but you cannot deny his talent'.
The think is, no matter how we feel about MJ some people are going to think what they want about him anyway. We cannot force them to see what we see.:)
 
That comment is very positive and honest. I like the fact that it also caters for the opinions of the haters in terms of Michael's personal life but it makes us(fans and haters) come to a middle ground by forcing us not to differ when it comes to Michael's talent/
 
That comment is very positive and honest. I like the fact that it also caters for the opinions of the haters in terms of Michael's personal life but it makes us(fans and haters) come to a middle ground by forcing us not to differ when it comes to Michael's talent/
Absolutely. The say that attack is the best form of defence. The writer took the wind out of the sail of the haters by saying, 'Yea, I know what you are saying. Now let's concentrate on the music'. That leaves the haters with nothing to focus on but the music. Brilliant.:p
 
why make a separate thread about this?

Anyway I see where Rox was coming from in the other thread. It IS kinda bogus to say "mmm its PERFECTLY FINE to hate on him as a HUMAN BEING, but not as a musician"...its still very insulting.

But the fact is, given th circumstances,not everyone isnt gonna like MJ as a person. The lesser of the 2 evils is that people at LEAST like the music, than not like MJ at ALL. maybe one day people will warm up to MJ as a person, but 4 now, the post was a good thing.
 
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If this is positive or negative... I think it's positive because from what I've read of eternitys child before.
However I have a slight problem with this line: because it is respecting disrespect at least to me if someone would really say so and one just takes it.
BUT I'm not sure that's the case. so nothing wrong here.
I agree noone has to like Michael as a person.
One can enjoy his music without knowing a thing about him.

If it's that judgemental to call him a 'lousy human being' without that someone knows a thing about him I'd step in. And I have a feeling it should be hard to prove that Michael is a lousy human being.
So I'd say something at least to expose how ignorant the one saying so obviously must be in case other ppl don't notice. Everyone deserves at least one fair chance to know better.

That Michael Jackson wrote music history is easily to prove and noone whoever wants to talk bad or even anything what will happen would ever be able to change this again.
Professional musicians as much as every true expert of the business doesn't doubt it anyways! lol

lol I knew that would get misinterpreted as a statement from me. This is taken out of a post I made of an article and the replys to it. The article was asking its readers if they would like to see Michael on tv again performing. The snippit Datsy posted is a reply from one of the readers of the article. Here is the link to my original post.

http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1379840&postcount=19
 
ookkay and also dont understand what the 'entire' article has to do with that comment. Even in the context of the article its' essentially saying the same thing. Its fine to think MJ is a lousy person but its vital that u except that he's a musical genius.

ANd this is being discussed in News & Mentionings thread 3/24.
 
why make a separate thread about this?

Anyway I see where Rox was coming from in the other thread. It IS kinda bogus to say "mmm its PERFECTLY FINE to hate on him as a HUMAN BEING, but not as a musician"...its still very insulting.

But the fact is, given th circumstances,not everyone isnt gonna like MJ as a person. The lesser of the 2 evils is that people at LEAST like the music, than not like MJ at ALL. maybe one day people will warm up to MJ as a person, but 4 now, the post was a good thing.

I wanted to make a thread to hear what other people have to say on the matter. It was taking over the news thread. I am beginning to feel intimidated by some people on this board. IT IS ALMOST AS IF EVERYBODY HAS TO BE WRONG IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.:)
 
But the fact is, given th circumstances,not everyone isnt gonna like MJ as a person.
which is kind of silly knowing that a bigger fact is not many of us (general public) know Michael personally and privately to be judging in any way without resorting to mere speculation (that includes both positive and negative in terms of personal life). his public offering is providing us with great entertainment and humanitarian aid and awareness - as long as people respect that then it's all good. i don't believe the comments in the OP are negative.
 
which is kind of silly knowing that a bigger fact is not many of us (general public) know Michael personally and privately to be judging in any way without resorting to mere speculation (that includes both positive and negative in terms of personal life). his public offering is providing us with great entertainment and humanitarian aid and awareness - as long as people respect that then it's all good. i don't believe the comments in the OP are negative.
I am glad you said that. :)
 
I wanted to make a thread to hear what other people have to say on the matter. It was taking over the news thread. I am beginning to feel intimidated by some people on this board. IT IS ALMOST AS IF EVERYBODY HAS TO BE WRONG IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THEM.:)

que? is this referring to me? LOL
 
I just provided a link in my last post. You really need to see the entire article.
ok... thanks again... interesting thread.

So let me add... I wouldn't judge a person by only one comment ever... but I'd be carefull.
We're all constantly flooded by media for whatever the agenda of ppl in the background is (mostly money I suppose) still I believe we do have our intelligence to use it.

It is not ok to judge anyone Michael Jackson or Mr. XY 'a lousy human being' for whatever reason. I'm not ok with it.
Whoever said so I'd not rephrase it.
Still I can see here in this case someone was carried away by actually very positive emotions towards Michael... although I have some understanding it's to me too far away.
Again I'll not judge the person.
But why not thinking a bit more before my emotions carry me too far?!
Not even I would deny this happens to me at times, still I'd hope someone would tell me.

See as a matter of FACT, if you hear a lie often enough you do start to believe it.
I'll not go half way and meet in the middle with someone (judge them haters or not) if they are simply wrong.
Again to me it's not a question of opinion, I consider myself very tolerant. To me it's a question of being judgemental unfairly towards someone when you obviously don't know a thing, and that's wrong to me towards whom doesn't matter.
If it's up to us to judge someone a whatever human being at all would be probably worth another discussion! lol

I might am very sensitive to the use of words and language... but that is just me.
 
Datsymay I hope you and noone else takes me wrong. I think this thread is very good.
Ppl can be taken wrong so easily.
Still also I hope also I made my point clear.
Ppl are of cuz free to agree or disagree! :flowers:
 
Datsymay I hope you and noone else takes me wrong. I think this thread is very good.
Ppl can be taken wrong so easily.
Still also I hope also I made my point clear.
Ppl are of cuz free to agree or disagree! :flowers:
Mechi you are doing fine, dear. The English language is such a difficult language to understand, and I know that some people who are from different countries do struggle with the meanings and can misunderstand certain things. That was my main concern for making a thread like this. I felt that the poster was showing love for the art and some readers were distracted by his first lines. I wanted to help people to understand what he was saying.
However, when people are not willing to even try to understand what other people are saying before they react, then it kills the purpose of the debate.:)
 
It's positive and blunt, I think. HE ain't the one saying MJ's lousy, he's saying "I don't care if YOU think he's lousy but he's a genius", etc., etc.
 
I don't think the overall comment is negative - kinda taking the good with the bad. The writer is simply appealing to those that don't like Michael as easily as he is with those that do like Michael. Regardless, the outcome is Michael will not be denied and we all wanna see it.
 
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