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Michael Jackson’s Forgotten Fortune: Secret Art Collection Uncovered & Valued At $900M /Update @pg10

Big Apple2;3429035 said:
This is also very weird, in my opinion:

If there is a "successful bidder" why would they be waiting for a RELEASE from The Estate? The Estate is not selling the collection.

This story is very strange. I'm going down to the newsstand and take a look at this article also.
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"Strange" seems to be "the new normal," in the Michael world? Nothing further should happen with this collection until the document is authenticated. If it's NOT authentic, then the art belongs to the ESTATE, and ultimately, to Michael's children.
 
ginvid;3429008 said:
Ok, I just bought it. The right hand side of the letter is covered up, but I will post what they have in a few.

ETA: I can say that by the wording of the letter, it seems as though not only did MJ know about the work being given to Strong, but initiated it and wanted to do it as a favor. The letter says MJ went through the pieces and took from them what he wanted and whatever was left Brett could have it and do with it as he chose. Also, the letter is typed and just has signatures at the end.
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Whose signature? Not MJ's I bet.
 
ginvid;3429037 said:
Big Apple, I will scan in the whole article with pictures so you don't have to waste your money.
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Thank you, I just skimmed it right at the newsstand and one of the things that stood out to me was that:

Strong approached The Jackson family so that they would support him in this deal. He said that he would compensate them FINANCIALLY. I guess that's why Mann decided to ask Thome to authenticate the letter.

The deal is at a standstill right now. It's murky and they want a release from The Estate.

That's another part I just don't get. Why would they need a RELEASE from The Estate. The Estate wants the collection back, they ain't going to give anybody a release.

Oh and whomever said this information comes from Katherine Jackson and Howard Mann, in my opinion, that would be true.
 
I'm unclear: is the collection all art that Michael created, or does it include famous art works that he purchased as a collector? Either way, it's fascinating.

Something about this sounds like--if it's true--LaToya might be right about Michael being killed for his money, catalog, and now this collection/
 
Big Apple2;3429056 said:
Thank you, I just skimmed it right at the newsstand and one of the things that stood out to me was that:

Strong approached The Jackson family so that they would support him in this deal. He said that he would compensate them FINANCIALLY. I guess that's why Mann decided to ask Thome to authenticate the letter.

The deal is at a standstill right now. It's murky and they want a release from The Estate.

That's another part I just don't get. Why would they need a RELEASE from The Estate. The Estate wants the collection back, they ain't going to give anybody a release.

Oh and whomever said this information comes from Katherine Jackson and Howard Mann, in my opinion, that would be true.
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They might. The Executors get a percentage of all revenues from the estate, which can be SIGNIFICANT in monetary terms. It's more to their financial advantage to broker deals and SELL things, than keep them. This seems to be a case of murky ownership, especially if Tohme refuses to authenticate the document.
 
Big Apple2;3429056 said:
Thank you, I just skimmed it right at the newsstand and one of the things that stood out to me was that:

Strong approached The Jackson family so that they would support him in this deal. He said that he would compensate them FINANCIALLY. I guess that's why Mann decided to ask Thome to authenticate the letter.

The deal is at a standstill right now. It's murky and they want a release from The Estate.

That's another part I just don't get. Why would they need a RELEASE from The Estate. The Estate wants the collection back, they ain't going to give anybody a release.

Oh and whomever said this information comes from Katherine Jackson and Howard Mann, in my opinion, that would be true.
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we don't have the details and we don't know how and why estate rejecting to give a release but 2 options come to mind

1. asking tohme to authenticate the letter could mean that the estate is arguing that michael didn't give his authorization (didn't personally sign it) and tohme wasn't authorized to give away such things.

2. it could be an intellectual property / copyright issue. remember the jackson's recordings that mann had and how weitzman said he can play them at his home but he can't sell or release them. similar claims was in the estate - mann lawsuit as well. how they said physical property and intellectual property was different. so it could be based on that and they might need a release from the estate.

of course this is all speculation to the max.
 
Ok, I am not technically inclined. Can you guys see this?
 
Just amazing, $900 mill, I always wondered how much art he would have done as he was pretty good at it, I'll never forget the skecth of himself as a little boy holding the microphone. His sketches were amazing, lets face it he was good at everything creative! However, I am fed up of all this mess with bidding on his things - they should go to his children and I don't believe Michael would have just given it away...I can't and will never trust Thome.
 
Autumn II;3429068 said:
They might. The Executors get a percentage of all revenues from the estate, which can be SIGNIFICANT in monetary terms. It's more to their financial advantage to broker deals and SELL things, than keep them. This seems to be a case of murky ownership, especially if Tohme refuses to authenticate the document.
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I would have to disagree with you on this one Autumn.

I don't think the Estate would be interested in SELLING the art which was created by Michael Jackson.

They would surely want to maintain it so that it can be DISPLAYED at a later date.

And I truly believe that they would rather cut off their big toe, rather than be involved with Howard Mann on a business level. The article states that Strong was willing the offer The Jackson family a financial cut, which, in my opinion, means Howard Mann would find a way to get his grubby hands on a portion of Katherine Jackson's cut.
 
I'm sorry, someone will have to tell me how to make it bigger. The links at the beginning of the post link to bigger scans.
 
ivy;3429072 said:
we don't have the details and we don't know how and why estate rejecting to give a release but 2 options come to mind

1. asking tohme to authenticate the letter could mean that the estate is arguing that michael didn't give his authorization (didn't personally sign it) and tohme wasn't authorized to give away such things.

2. it could be an intellectual property / copyright issue. remember the jackson's recordings that mann had and how weitzman said he can play them at his home but he can't sell or release them. similar claims was in the estate - mann lawsuit as well. how they said physical property and intellectual property was different. so it could be based on that and they might need a release from the estate.

of course this is all speculation to the max.
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If the situation is point #1, this potentially could bring up a lot of issues about Tohme. His role in Michael's life has never been clear. He set up that auction, and then Michael reacted strongly. Apparently, he fired him. But it seems like Tohme didn't quite go away? He made some public statements that he was STILL with Michael.

If he did NOT have POA, then he may have made a deal he wasn't authorized to make. This smells like herring, to me, and seems similar to the auction! Michael filed a lawsuit (his documents were posted here, and must be in the archives somewhere?) He said he was being ROBBED. Is this "art-sale" more of the same? Sounds like it. We need more info, though.
 
flutinggnee;3429065 said:
I'm unclear: is the collection all art that Michael created, or does it include famous art works that he purchased as a collector? Either way, it's fascinating.

Something about this sounds like--if it's true--LaToya might be right about Michael being killed for his money, catalog, and now this collection/
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From what they show, it appears to be art that MJ created only.
 
Big Apple2;3429094 said:
I would have to disagree with you on this one Autumn.

I don't think the Estate would be interested in SELLING the art which was created by Michael Jackson.

They would surely want to maintain it so that it can be DISPLAYED at a later date.

And I truly believe that they would rather cut off their big toe, rather than be involved with Howard Mann on a business level. The article states that Strong was willing the offer The Jackson family a financial cut, which, in my opinion, means Howard Mann would find a way to get his grubby hands on a portion of Katherine Jackson's cut.
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Well, we can HOPE this is the case? Apparently that art collection is in limbo at present? A museum or traveling exhibition of art BY Michael Jackson, would be fantastic! I think a lot of people aren't aware that he was such a good visual ARTIST?
 
Big Apple2;3429094 said:
I would have to disagree with you on this one Autumn.

I don't think the Estate would be interested in SELLING the art which was created by Michael Jackson.

They would surely want to maintain it so that it can be DISPLAYED at a later date.

And I truly believe that they would rather cut off their big toe, rather than be involved with Howard Mann on a business level. The article states that Strong was willing the offer The Jackson family a financial cut, which, in my opinion, means Howard Mann would find a way to get his grubby hands on a portion of Katherine Jackson's cut.
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Agree
 
Autumn II;3429102 said:
If he did NOT have POA, then he may have made a deal he wasn't authorized to make. This smells like herring, to me, and seems similar to the auction! Michael filed a lawsuit (his documents were posted here, and must be in the archives somewhere?) He said he was being ROBBED. Is this "art-sale" more of the same? Sounds like it. We need more info, though.
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Yep!

"Some" folks are so busy trying to get rid of John Branca, that they end up treating Thome-Thome as an afterthought. We hear a little bit about him, everynow and then, but mainly he manages to keep himself and his doings hidden. He's probably delighted that the focus is on Branca and not him.

Question for anybody: is it true that Jermaine Jackson brought Thome-Thome into Michael's life, has that association ever been confirmed?
 
LaToya says that Jermaine was the one who introduced Michael to Tohme.
 
ginvid;3429095 said:
I'm sorry, someone will have to tell me how to make it bigger. The links at the beginning of the post link to bigger scans.
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the last set that you posted is perfectly fine. thank you

btw i looked to the documents - the appraisal ones - it says michael took 10 drawings (but left 182 as a "small token of appreciation" as tohme calls it - are you kidding me) and they are valued at $90 million and not at $900 million which makes sense.

and the letter itself more seems like michael was thinking about displaying such things at art galleries and museums.
 
Big Apple2;3429117 said:
Yep!

"Some" folks are so busy trying to get rid of John Branca, that they end up treating Thome-Thome as an afterthought. We hear a little bit about him, everynow and then, but mainly he manages to keep himself and his doings hidden. He's probably delighted that the focus is on Branca and not him.

Question for anybody: is it true that Jermaine Jackson brought Thome-Thome into Michael's life, has that association ever been confirmed?
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100% true. Jermaine is a good friend of Thome Thome.
 
I see that the letter text says ' let me know when you have the art prints ready to sign' 'you have his blessing to market his art' 'Reproduction rights are owned by BLS and the Jackson-Strong Alliance'
...so it looks as though BLS was going to have these printed up maybe in limited editions for Michael to sign, and then to sell for MJ?

I tried to have look at his website, but interestingly it seems to be password protected....
To see more artwork created by Brett-Livingstone Strong, please visit his website.
http://www.blsart.com

BLSart.com
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This site is temporarily under protection. Please provide the correct password to access the site

Another site seems to indicate that an announcemement of some kind is anticipated:
http://www.fineartinvestors.com/index.php?noform=1&#form

Potential upcoming news could cause a sudden appreciation of the value of Mr. Strong’s work.
Register now for immediate access to the Strong Limited Collection and our Special Upcoming News Briefing Sheet
Complete the short form on this page to view this extraordinary collection, and for a special briefing sheet on Mr. Strong’s upcoming groundbreaking announcement.


http://harlemworldblog.wordpress.com/2009/08/04/michael-jackson-painting-he-wore-red-velvet/
Mr. Strong and Mr. Jackson formed an art business partnership, the Jackson-Strong Alliance, around 1989 and 1990 to display their art work, which included this portrait. The two were brainstorming how to raise money for charity when Mr. Strong mentioned that a Japanese businessman, Hiromichi Saeki, had offered millions of dollars for a portrait of Mr. Jackson.

Mr. Jackson said he would sit for it if the buyer agreed to pay a world record — ultimately $2.1 million, then reported as the highest amount ever paid for a living person. “Sometime later he told me he would have made $5 million for it,” Mr. Strong said. The businessman later went bankrupt and gave the painting to Mr. Abrams.

Mr. Strong still has a number of drawings done by Mr. Jackson as part of the partnership. “These drawings are really interesting. Some of the are really fantastic. They have been in a drawer for 17 years.” He is hoping to hold an exhibit of the art.
A limited, autographed set of lithographs was created based on “The Book.” Around 375 of them were numbered and some have made their way onto eBay and Craigslist.
 
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One more thing, which I'm calling MY THING. LOL!

I "sort of" expected this story to be on the cover, but there was no mention on the cover. As a matter of fact, the article begins on page 52.

At first glance, I figured that this would have been a cover story, with an article starting at the beginning of this publication.
 
myosotis;3429136 said:
I see that the letter text says ' let me know when you have the art prints ready to sign' 'you have his blessing to market his art' 'Reproduction rights are owned by the BLS and the Jackson-Strong Alliance'
...so it looks as though BLS was going to have these printed up maybe in limited editions for Michael to sign, and then to sell for MJ?
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Yet, his signature is nowhere. At least, they should provide the estate with an email or letter that MJ knew about this.

I bet that letter was written after MJ passed.

Tohme knew it would be very suspicious for him to have MJ's arts after he was fired...so he hooked up with Strong (who I am sure wasn't close to MJ after the '90s) to transfer the pieces to his name and they can both share the profits.

CROOKS!!! Poor MJ...No one he could trust.

I find it very worrisome that the estate didn't know about this until now. Haven't they hired a specialist to trace all MJ's belongings before submitting the estate value to Probate court?

BLSart.com
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It also says: ALERT!

Stolen artwork: Please Report any relevant info.

I hope the estate is on his behind
 
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