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Michael Jackson’s Forgotten Fortune: Secret Art Collection Uncovered & Valued At $900M /Update @pg10

These paintings are not worth $900 million dollars that is crazy. Not even works from some of the most famous artists of all time have art collections totaling that much. That story was mostly made up and exaggerated beyond belief.

In reality, MJ's artwork collection (stuff he drew himself and stuff he's acquired through the years) would BE LUCKY to be worth $100 million. That's probably a more realistic figure. Regardless, I hope the estate gets it all because MJ's children should be the ones with their fathers paintings.
 
myosotis;3431002 said:
I think the Alliance was long-standing..1989 onwards. I think the registration of copyright for the artwork which was produced from the alliance ( by MJ) was registered in 2010.

From the article a few posts above^^^^^^^ in 1992, 'Jackson and Strong, through their limited partnership the Jackson-Strong Alliance, are negotiating to buy 4.13 million shares of Gallery Rodeo'.
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So what means the Jackson Strong Alliance from 1992, the art is in poessesion of both?
 
myosotis;3431002 said:
I think the Alliance was long-standing..1989 onwards. I think the registration of copyright for the artwork which was produced from the alliance ( by MJ) was registered in 2010.
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Why would he need to register the copyright after all these years, other than selling copies? :scratch:Would it be necessary for an exhibition?
 
Ben971;3431058 said:
Why would he need to register the copyright after all these years, other than selling copies? :scratch:Would it be necessary for an exhibition?
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You wouldn't need copyright permission to exhibit originals, only to reproduce them eg in boooks, or as prints or in any other way that might be profitable, I think....(although Ivy is the expert on this). It seems that BLS says that he wants to sell MJ art prints (copies of the originals) to raise money for a monument.
The artworks are clearly by Michael, so he would have to prove that Michael transferred ownership to him, before he could register the copyright to himself. If he couldn't prove ownership then he couldn't claim copyright and couldn't make or sell any prints...ie copies of the artwork.
 
Annita;3431027 said:
So what means the Jackson Strong Alliance from 1992, the art is in poessesion of both?
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That, I think, is the 6 million dollar ( or 90 million dollar) question, which the estate are likely to be battling with currently.
 
myosotis;3431069 said:
You wouldn't need copyright permission to exhibit originals, only to reproduce them eg in boooks, or as prints or in any other way that might be profitable, I think....(although Ivy is the expert on this)
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Thank you Myosotis. That's what I was thinking. Wonder what will happen now, if Tohme doesnt want to authenticate the letter...
 
Surprise! The Man Behind the $900 Million Appraisal of Michael Jackson's Art Might Not Be Credible



By Julia Halperin

Published: July 8, 2011


Earlier today, we rounded up the 10 craziest things about the $900 million Michael Jackson art feud. Now, we've got number 11: the "certified art appraiser" quoted about trove's $900 million valuation is, in fact, not a member of the International Society of Art Appraisers, as Star Magazine reported. "He is not and has never been a member," Sara Porter, ISA's membership and operations coordinator, told ARTINFO. According to Star, Jackson family lawyers are attempting to block the $87.7 million sale of a collection of Michael Jackson's artwork, which includes sculptures and sketches by the King of Pop himself. The sale is being pushed forward by Brett-Livingston Strong, a friend and artistic mentor to Jackson. While Strong has a letter from Jackson's manager gifting the artwork to the artist, Star reports that legal experts are concerned the document may be a fake.
But now, it's not only the letter that may be fraudulent. The tabloid reported that in "an astonishing appraisal of the 182-pieces, obtained exclusively by Star, the 'rare intact major collection' was valued at a whopping $902.52 million." It then quotes Eric Finzi, "a certified member of the International Society of Appraisers": "I do not think we have begun to see the true value of this fine art yet," he told the magazine.




The later quote also comes from "a document obtained by the magazine." Reading closely, the Star does not explicitly state that this is the same mysterious document containing the $900 million value, though it is heavily implied. There is no ambiguity, however, with regard to Finzi's membership in the ISA: "He is not a member," Porter repeated.
What are the consequences for posing as a member of the ISA? According to Porter, as a first step the organization will send a letter from a lawyer demanding the offender cease posing as a certified appraiser. "We will be contacting him," she said of Finzi.

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...f-michael-jacksons-art-might-not-be-credible/
 
smooth_criminal05;3431024 said:
These paintings are not worth $900 million dollars that is crazy. Not even works from some of the most famous artists of all time have art collections totaling that much. That story was mostly made up and exaggerated beyond belief.

In reality, MJ's artwork collection (stuff he drew himself and stuff he's acquired through the years) would BE LUCKY to be worth $100 million. That's probably a more realistic figure. Regardless, I hope the estate gets it all because MJ's children should be the ones with their fathers paintings.
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I agree
 
myosotis;3430921 said:
There were three BLS paintings that I know of (The Book, The Lovers, The Lovers ...misty version) and the Brotman Centre bronze, which looks as though it was done much earlier.

I agree about DN not having capitalized on his MJ art, but this is a little different, as BLS and MJ set up this formal 'Alliance', which does not seem to mirror arrangements with any other of MJs artists. The Alliance also had an address...a house, not the hangar. The house appeared to be purchased in 1989 and was sold in June 2005. (the same year BLS sought Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection*)....although I am not sure whose ownership it was in all that time. (I'm not putting a reference here as it is now a private address which I assume is unrelated to MJ).

It also looked as though the Alliance was thinking of investing in an art Gallery/ chain at one point...
http://www.allbusiness.com/north-america/united-states-california-metro-areas/290094-1.html

Singer Jackson, artist Strong negotiating for control of Gallery Rodeo International.
By Cole, Benjamin Mark

Monday, February 17 1992Publication: Los Angeles Business JournalShare:More Monday, February 17 1992

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Gallery Rodeo International Inc., a publicly traded company in the over-the-counter markets, announced last week that a partnership of singer-dancer Michael Jackson and artist Brett-Livingston Strong may buy majority control in the 4-year-old operation.

Jackson and Strong, through their limited partnership the Jackson-Strong Alliance, are negotiating to buy 4.13 million shares of Gallery Rodeo, a Beverly Hills-based chain of three art galleries which has about 6.67 million shares outstanding, according to its most recent filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.
A value on the bid was not disclosed. Shares traded last week in the $2.00 to $2.25-a-share range.
Gallery Rodeo reported a profit of $243,499 on revenues of $2.12 million in the quarter ended Sept. 30, according to its quarterly, 10Q filing with the SEC.

Although the company reported its sales were running ahead of last year's pace, it also said that price-cutting was needed to move product. "Due to the economic climate, the company made the decision to utilize discounting to a limited degree, to overcome resistance and stimulate sales," the company reported in its latest filing with the SEC.

Gallery Rodeo, which has galleries in Beverly Hills, Lake Arrowhead and Taos, N.M., has an exclusive agreement to sell and promote the works of Strong, a sculptor and painter.
Strong has earned headlines for such artistic successes as his large painting of Michael Jackson, which sold for $2.2 million to a Japanese buyer, and for carving a large boulder into a likeness of John Wayne's head. The boulder later fell down onto Pacific Coast Highway in a rainstorm.

Strong also sculpted a statute of John Lennon, which stood outside Los Angeles City Hall, but which since has been sold to private investors.
The Gallery Rodeo International board will shortly consider the Jackson-Strong bid for control of the company, said Stephen Thompson, 43, Gallery Rodeo president.
"We anticipate that an agreement will be tendered to the board in the next five to 10 days," said Thompson. "The terms are confidential at this time."

POstscript: The only other thing I could find out about Gallery Rodeo was this very sad story:.........
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/content/printVersion/164368/
In 1994, he thought he'd made a killer investment--Gallery Rodeo in Scottsdale, through its affiliate Gallery Rodeo of Beverly Hills, offered him prints by Brett Livingstone-Strong, an artist who often included Native Americans in his paintings. Gallery representatives persuaded Reverend Sky he could buy prints from Gallery Rodeo at a discounted price, and the gallery could later resell them for an immense profit. Reverend Sky purchased $18,400 worth of Livingstone-Strong art. He kept a few pieces in his house, then later returned them all to the gallery for resale at the request of gallery officials, he says............remainder of he story is at the link

And this business analysis showing $3.5mill losses in 1993
http://google.brand.edgar-online.co...D=262115-5991-30371&SessionID=CTZFHeJgWDFbkl7

* Re BLS Chapter 11 filing
http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/brett-livingstone-strong
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It was a business alliance if any, where Michael too would have profited. It's in no way evidence of Michael giving away his entire collection for free to BLS. I highly doubt he'd have ever done that, if he did, I'm more inclined to believe he would have given them for free to Nordhal over BLS. Nordhal seemed a close personal friend to Michael, moreso than BLS. He could have given 1, 2, 3...of his pieces to BLS, but not all 150 odd for free.

This is a scam to make money for all parties involved.
 


The 10 Craziest Things About the $900 Million Michael Jackson Art Feud

When the news broke recently that Michael Jackson had a $900 million art collection, most people probably had the same reaction: Michael Jackson had a $900 million art collection?! Furthermore, all but the most fanatical of Jackson fans were probably unaware that the late singer was himself a visual artist. (Though, to be honest, did anyone really know much of what he was up to behind the gates of his mansion/playground/amusement park/zoo?) Word of the collection, which contains many original works by the singer as well as valuable presidential memorabilia, came to light due to a legal feud surrounding the sale: At the request of his family, lawyers running the Jackson estate are attempting to block the $87.7 million sale of the art collection to an unnamed buyer by Jackson's former art mentor, who claims legal right to the trove.

Like most things surrounding the late music legend, the details are convoluted and crazy. Here, ARTINFO takes you step-by-step through everything you need to know about the Michael Jackson art collection dispute.

1. A MYSTERY INTERNATIONAL BUYER WANTS MJ'S ART

No matter how you cut it, the values being tossed around for Michael's art are huge. An unnamed international businessman has reportedly purchased the entirety of the 182-piece collection for $87.7 million. Is this credible? Yes. Back in 1990, "The Book" — reportedly the only portrait for which Jackson ever sat — sold for $2.1 million to Hiromichi Saeki Corp. Hiromichi Saeki was a Japanese merchandiser and concert promoter of Jackson's.

2. BUT HIS ART MAY BE WORTH A LOT MORE

It would seem that $87.7 million is no small chunk of change. But it dwarfs the amount that appraiserEric Finzi, a member of the International Society of Appraisers, has said that the trove is actually worth (in an interview with Star Magazine, so caveat emptor): a staggering $902.5 million. What could justify the huge sum? "Michael's mystique in life combined with this exposure of his wonderful fine art creations following his tragic death will escalate the value of these works and the popularity of his artistic vision worldwide," Finzi said, adding, "I do not think we have begun to see the true value of this fine art yet."

3. MICHAEL HAD AN ART MENTOR

Australian artist Brett-Livingstone Strong, whom Jackson called a modern day Michelangelo, served as master to Michael's apprentice. Strong's artistic output includes creating a painting of the Sydney Opera House at the royal invitation of Queen Elizabeth II, carving John Wayne's face into a 116-ton rock that sold for $1.1 million and is now in the library of Lubbock Christian University in Lubbock, Texas, and sculpting a life-size bronze statue of John Lennon that was unveiled by Andy Warhol. Strong was commissioned by Chief Justice Warren Burger to create the National Monument to the U.S. Constitution and NASA's National Space Exploration Monument in the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum. Strong's misty and kitschy pseudo-Renaissance portrait of Jackson, "The Book" holds the record for highest price ever garnered by a living artist for the sale of a portrait. Strong also painted a Pre-Raphaelite-esque scene of Jackson in a lily pond surrounded by bare breasted water nymphs that takes directly from John William Waterhouse's 1896 painting "Hylas and the Water Nymphs." In Strong's version, the head nymph bears the likeness of Lisa-Marie Presley.

4. THE MENTOR INHERITED ALL OF MJ'S ART

Brett-Livingstone Strong is also the seller of the dubious collection. The art was given to Strong,apparently at the request of Jackson, by Jackson's final business manager Dr. Tohme Tohme — a Lebanese financier who rescued Neverland from foreclosure in 2008 and has never revealed any details of his life or career to the press. Tohme wrote in a letter dated November 2008 to Strong: "Michael wants you to know he is truly grateful for the loyalty you have shown him over the years, and he views this as a small token of appreciation for your continued friendship and artistic partnership."

5. THE BEQUEST IS IN QUESTION

There is some serious haziness concerning the validity of the document bequeathing the art to Strong, because allegedly neither Jackson's signature nor initials appear on. And somehow, it just doesn't seem like the word of Dr. Tohme Tohme should be legally binding.

6. THE FOUNDER OF CIRQUE DE SOLEIL MAKES A CAMEO

Though the identity of the collection's ultimate purchaser is unknown, two of the under bidders are known. Billionaire Guy Laliberté, who is the founder of Cirque du Soleil and a World Poker Tour participant. The other is Howard Mann, a Toronto gambling entrepreneur and business partner to Jackson's motherKatherine. Mann is also now a driving force in attempting to stop the sale. It would appear that he is a sore loser, though the Jackson camp is claiming that allowing Strong to sell the collection is cheating Jackson's children Prince, Paris, andBlanket out of their inheritance. Is it a coincidence that the only known bidders on the Jackson collection are high stakes gamblers? Probably not.

7. AS AN ARTIST, MJ WAS INSPIRED BY AMERICA

The King of Pop created a myriad of pieces inspired by the American presidency and other historical figures, including his first work entitled "We the People," a piece executed on presidential archival paper estimated to be worth $3 million; a sketch of "The White House Doors," also said to be worth $3 million; and sketches of Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, andGeorge Washington, suggested to be worth $8.1 million all together. Jackson also collected a U.S. Presidency Seal signed by Ronald Reagan and JFK's rocking chair, which was given to Jackson by, wait for it, Roy E. Disney.

8. JACKSON WAS ALSO A BURGEONING ARCHITECT

Also within the collection are elaborate designs of chairs, gates, sculptures, and doors that Jackson designed for Neverland Ranch. One such project Jackson titled "Peter Pan Magic Gate."

9. HE WAS ALSO REALLY INTO ART ABOUT HIMSELF

Perhaps unsurprisingly, one of Michael Jackson's favorite subjects was Michael Jackson. He created a self-portrait inscribed on a plaque that was intended to decorate the entrance to a Neverland theater. There are also sketches of his own feet doing the moonwalk that have been valued at $600,000, as well as signed sepia prints of his portrait "The Book."

10. MJ'S STUDIO IS ALSO OUT OF THIS WORLD

And where did MJ create all this art? At a secret airport hanger at Santa Monica Airport. He needed an entire hanger to draw sketches?!

SOURCE

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...-900-million-michael-jackson-art-feud/?page=2
 
Surprise! The Man Behind the $900 Million Appraisal of Michael Jackson's Art Might Not Be Credible

Earlier today, we rounded up the 10 craziest things about the $900 million Michael Jackson art feud. Now, we've got number 11: the "certified art appraiser" quoted about the trove's $900 million valuation is, in fact, not a member of the International Society of Art Appraisers, as Star Magazine reported. "He is not and has never been a member," Sara Porter, ISA's membership and operations coordinator, told ARTINFO.

According to Star, Jackson family lawyers are attempting to block the $87.7 million sale of a collection of Michael Jackson's artwork, which includes sculptures and sketches by the King of Pop himself. The sale is being pushed forward by Brett-Livingston Strong, a friend and artistic mentor to Jackson. While Strong has a letter from Jackson's manager gifting the artwork to the artist, Star reports that legal experts are concerned the document may be a fake.

But now, it's not only the letter that may be fraudulent. The tabloid reported that in "an astonishing appraisal of the 182-pieces, obtained exclusively by Star, the 'rare intact major collection' was valued at a whopping $902.52 million." It then quotes Eric Finzi, "a certified member of the International Society of Appraisers": "I do not think we have begun to see the true value of this fine art yet," he told the magazine.

The later quote also comes from "a document obtained by the magazine." Reading closely, the Star does not explicitly state that this is the same mysterious document containing the $900 million value, though it is heavily implied. There is no ambiguity, however, with regard to Finzi's membership in the ISA: "He is not a member," Porter repeated.

What are the consequences for posing as a member of the ISA? According to Porter, as a first step the organization will send a letter from a lawyer demanding the offender cease posing as a certified appraiser. "We will be contacting him," she said of Finzi.

SOURCE

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...f-michael-jacksons-art-might-not-be-credible/
 
claudiadoina;3431377 said:
Surprise! The Man Behind the $900 Million Appraisal of Michael Jackson's Art Might Not Be Credible

Earlier today, we rounded up the 10 craziest things about the $900 million Michael Jackson art feud. Now, we've got number 11: the "certified art appraiser" quoted about the trove's $900 million valuation is, in fact, not a member of the International Society of Art Appraisers, as Star Magazine reported. "He is not and has never been a member," Sara Porter, ISA's membership and operations coordinator, told ARTINFO.

According to Star, Jackson family lawyers are attempting to block the $87.7 million sale of a collection of Michael Jackson's artwork, which includes sculptures and sketches by the King of Pop himself. The sale is being pushed forward by Brett-Livingston Strong, a friend and artistic mentor to Jackson. While Strong has a letter from Jackson's manager gifting the artwork to the artist, Star reports that legal experts are concerned the document may be a fake.

But now, it's not only the letter that may be fraudulent. The tabloid reported that in "an astonishing appraisal of the 182-pieces, obtained exclusively by Star, the 'rare intact major collection' was valued at a whopping $902.52 million." It then quotes Eric Finzi, "a certified member of the International Society of Appraisers": "I do not think we have begun to see the true value of this fine art yet," he told the magazine.

The later quote also comes from "a document obtained by the magazine." Reading closely, the Star does not explicitly state that this is the same mysterious document containing the $900 million value, though it is heavily implied. There is no ambiguity, however, with regard to Finzi's membership in the ISA: "He is not a member," Porter repeated.What are the consequences for posing as a member of the ISA? According to Porter, as a first step the organization will send a letter from a lawyer demanding the offender cease posing as a certified appraiser. "We will be contacting him," she said of Finzi.

SOURCE

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...f-michael-jacksons-art-might-not-be-credible/
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http://www.thenewsfinder.com/2011/0...f-michael-jacksons-art-might-not-be-credible/
The International Society of Art Appraisers tells ARTINFO that Eric Finzi has never been a member.


The only 'surprise' is that this seems to have been going on for so long unchallenged.
If BLS's own artworks (eg signed prints of 'The Book') have been used 'more than once' as collateral to raise loans for monument projects in the past on the basis of Finzi's appraisal, then I am surprised that this has not been discovered before. A number of investing individuals and organisations seem to have fallen for this in the past. I wonder if they will also be taking legal advice?

http://thebookportrait.com/appraisers_commentary.pdf
APPRAISER’S COMMENTARY
It is very important to note that it is indeed rare for an artist of any era to create such high standards of fine art and accumulate such a unique and highly valuable collection. The use of the collection as a financial instrument more than once has increased the intrinsic value of each signed work. These early and precious works by this prolific artist have been carefully stored and held back from the open art market for many years. This has therefore starved the potential collector base and international market, creating a very bright and valuable future for the collection. This storage has silently generated a real demand that will certainly explode naturally following the Artist’s next major endeavor, previously noted as the Statue of Freedom. The Artist’s business plan is attached to this appraisal to further verify the eminent and ever increasing value of this collection.
Eric Finzi – Professional Fine Art AppraiserCertified Member of the international Society of Appraisers


Here is another appraisal by Mr Finzi, this time of 'The Book' original painting, with Mr Finzi's accreditation statement dated 26 August 09 (see 'certification' on page 3. He says he has 'attained the highest level of designation as a Personal Property Appraiser with the ISA). He also says his 'Associations, affiliations and clients' include the Guggenheim and the J Paul Getty Museum.
http://mjacksonthebook.homestead.com/The_Book_Appraisal.pdf
 
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^ this finzi guy is a tool...I suspect Mann, Tohme, Strong & co put him up to this Bullsh!t
 
claudiadoina;3431374 said:
Dr. Tohme Tohme — a Lebanese financier who rescued Neverland from foreclosure in 2008 and has never revealed any details of his life or career to the press.
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The press did find legal documents of Tohme having been involved in Real State fraud in the 90s.
 
kasume;3430140 said:
THOME NEED TO BE LOCKED UP!!! Along with his other fellow SLYTHERINS.

"....he Threatened death and destruction upon Michael...."

He already crossed the line with that statement!!! How deep into the mud can that snake get??!!

Sophielo, it'll be MESSY as long as the SLIMY SNAKES remain!

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Hi Kasume. First I want to thank you because of you I just became a member of this magnificent family.

I would like to ask you to please never post that pic of Michael and Tohme Tohme again. It's so painful to see how that parasite has his strong hand on Michael. That grip seems to me to be very strong that even the sleeve of his jacket is pulled up. Maybe I'm wrong but from that picture I can tell that Michael was mnipulated not only mentally but physically too. TT was an employee to Michael, how is it that he dares to touch him in that manner? If you notice Michael's shoulder, it seems that he's trying to get away from the grip or the force used by TT was extremely strong that lifted Michael's shoulder up. In that picture I see a defenseless human being and a vulture.

Please don't post it again, it's sad and it is painful . Thanks
 
the whole thing is so crazy. why did Michael suddently decide to give most of his creative arts to someone else as the "gifts"? if it's just a watch, jacket, diamond... I could see it happened beacause Michael was so generous, but his life time creative works? I don't believe it. It's not hard to see how much he treasured his creative works. I remember in one of Michael's interview he complained that his drawings always got stolen. he "gift" millions dollars of his lifelong creative artworks to someone without even signing the "gifts" himself? make no sense at all. is there any other gifts Michael gave away with his business manager's name on it?
 
That art belongs to the children--there's something really shady about the entire situation, definitely more than they're letting on at the moment. I wouldn't put it past Tohme to forge a document.
 
I hope that if / when the estate secure ownership of these drawings, that they think of something creative to do with them. It would be great if they could maybe un-copyright one design per year, and perhaps run a competition for under 25's through schools and colleges to create something, using all or part of the design eg using wood, clay, fabric design, embroidery, weaving etc...all items to be sold thereafter (above cost of materials) in aid of charity...maybe global winners to have their creations included in a website ...so potential employers could spot upcoming talent. I think that would be much more interesting than just selling prints!

Edit: Not wanting to 'hijack' the thread with these thoughts I thought I would reply here...Thank you to CherubimII below, your support for this idea is very much appreciated. I was looking at some of the designs on facebook last night, and it seemed clear that Michael drew them with an idea that they would be made into actual items, not just remain drawings on a page. Some of them, like the key designs, could potentially make very attractive jewellery ('key to my heart' pendants?), or be incorporated into fabric / clothing designs. Similarly the 'gate'-type designs could make very attractive picture frames.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.1439036192526.41682.1731678178

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http://[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/339/mjdrawingsgate.jpg/][/URL]
 
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myosotis;3431855 said:
I hope that if / when the estate secure ownership of these drawings, that they think of something creative to do with them. It would be great if they could maybe un-copyright one design per year, and perhaps run a competition for under 25's through schools and colleges to create something, using all or part of the design eg using wood, clay, fabric design, embroidery, weaving etc...all items to be sold thereafter (above cost of materials) in aid of charity...maybe global winners to have their creations included in a website ...so potential employers could spot upcoming talent. I think that would be much more interesting than just selling prints!
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Your ideas are quite remarkable, and I agree with you. :yes:
 
What does Katherine have to do with the Estate's business? I don't believe the Estate is working with them. I believe and hope the Estate is fighting to get all the art back. How could Michael surrounded himself with that band of thieves? I don't understand.
 
In re to: " Katherine & Brett July 5th, 2011" pic. posted by Vici.
How could a mother stab a son in his back? It's so sad. No wonder on his autobiography Michael said something like he loved his mom but he wasn't sure he could trusted her. Really sad...
 
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Like I said... it's not worth even close to $900 million. The only good from this is that some of the general public are starting to see MJ as a visual artist which is a positive thing. But I would sure love to see some of these paintings Michael did. He's SO talented.

I am surprised though that mainstream media picked the story up including BET, CTV, etc. The source of the story was a tabloid.
 
Aquarius;3431828 said:
Hi Kasume. First I want to thank you because of you I just became a member of this magnificent family.

I would like to ask you to please never post that pic of Michael and Tohme Tohme again. It's so painful to see how that parasite has his strong hand on Michael. That grip seems to me to be very strong that even the sleeve of his jacket is pulled up. Maybe I'm wrong but from that picture I can tell that Michael was mnipulated not only mentally but physically too. TT was an employee to Michael, how is it that he dares to touch him in that manner? If you notice Michael's shoulder, it seems that he's trying to get away from the grip or the force used by TT was extremely strong that lifted Michael's shoulder up. In that picture I see a defenseless human being and a vulture.

Please don't post it again, it's sad and it is painful . Thanks
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He got bruises after some of these Thome grabbing.
 
moodyblue97;3432112 said:
He got bruises after some of these Thome grabbing.
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I hate Thom Thome, he's a vulture, and he created problems for Mike, but bruises ? How do you know that ?

Anyway, Thome Thome must be on trial too, sometimes you have feelings, and my feelings about this shit vulture are he is Dangerous. I had these feelings before the 25 june 2009, and I'm not the only MJ fans with these feelings.

Just to imagine this bastard with the art of Mike, make me sick!

All the drawings, paintings and clothes of MIke, MUST BE WITH HIS KIDS THAT'S IT!
 
smooth_criminal05;3431927 said:
Like I said... it's not worth even close to $900 million. The only good from this is that some of the general public are starting to see MJ as a visual artist which is a positive thing. But I would sure love to see some of these paintings Michael did. He's SO talented.

I am surprised though that mainstream media picked the story up including BET, CTV, etc. The source of the story was a tabloid.
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I think everyone knows by now that the number was hugely inflated to get hits. But the fraud behind it is true (I think). That's what people are discussing here.
 
Diplomate;3432135 said:
I hate Thom Thome, he's a vulture, and he created problems for Mike, but bruises ? How do you know that ?

Anyway, Thome Thome must be on trial too, sometimes you have feelings, and my feelings about this shit vulture are he is Dangerous. I had these feelings before the 25 june 2009, and I'm not the only MJ fans with these feelings.

Just to imagine this bastard with the art of Mike, make me sick!

All the drawings, paintings and clothes of MIke, MUST BE WITH HIS KIDS THAT'S IT!
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I met him when he was in London in March 2009, spent some time with him. And how Thome acted during that time is something they should really look into. There were other people there who know exactly what that man did, why they don´t raise their voices I don´t understand.
 
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