MJ Estate versus Melissa Johnson and HTWF /Update: Settlement Enforced - HTWF lost the Appeal

Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I hate to bust Mann's BUBBLE, but although Mr. Streisand was relieved of his duties, he did accomplish one thing recently and that was the FACT that "something" is wrong with the declaration Katherine Jackson supposedly signed. Would it have become public knowledge that Katherine said: "those are not my words," had Mr. Streisand not put the entire episode on blast.

It "appears" that Mann has taken the front seat in this drama.

Randy and Joe Jackson "may" be hiding in the shadows, but, in my opinion, they are both fools for letting this guy be all up in their business, because when the going get's tough, Mann will SWAT them both like flies. He already got Katherine Jackson on lockdown, when he got her to sign that bogus contract.

I don't think Katherine minds being in lockdown with Mann though...She has been 'working' with him for quite some time and there has been no effort whatsoever to get away from this guy..As far as I'm concerned she see's him as a "partner" and she wants to be doing buisness with this guy...I suspect a primary reason with that is that he is insane/criminal enough to attempt going against the estate, no other person would be willing to do it.
 
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I don't think Katherine minds being in lockdown with Mann though...She has been 'working' with him for quite some time and there has been no effort whatsoever to get away from this guy..As far as I'm concerned she see's him as a "partner" and she wants to be doing buisness with this guy...I suspect a primary reason with that is that he is insane/criminal enough to attempt going against the estate, no other person would be willing to do it.
Ver true... the Jackson's have always had a strong association with criminals..
 
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I don't think Katherine minds being in lockdown with Mann though...She has been 'working' with him for quite some time and there has been no effort whatsoever to get away from this guy..As far as I'm concerned she see's him as a "partner" and she wants to be doing buisness with this guy...I suspect a primary reason with that is that he is insane/criminal enough to attempt going against the estate, no other person would be willing to do it.
I'm starting to "think" that Katherine Jackson now realizes that she is in over her head and doesn't know how to handle it and that's why she reached out to Adam Streisand.

We may never know, but it sure would be interesting if we were able to find out, what their conversation entailed.

Mr. Streisand quoted Katherine as saying: "those are not my words," I wonder what ELSE she said to Mr. Streisand.

She reached out to him, shared "whatever" with him, but WHAT did she expect him to do with that information. If he had not been fired, what else would he have revealed, if anything? I wonder.
 
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I think a recent post at JacksonVault website is showing us who is in Katherine's ear and behind of firing of Adam Streisand - yep Howard Mann.


It is so selfish of {Katherine mouth mann}to say she is the estate MJ children are the estate, if they had love MJ and think about his children then all this crop would stop I feel so bad for the children they are leave to the world with no one to care for them,
Us Mj fan need to sand a clere message to KJ and co. That we are not supporting anything Jackson's if Mj estate don't stamp it fan MUST NOT enable the people behind KJ by buying there product. That is the only way to protect KJ from those evil barstard.
 
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Just the idea that a sleaze like that can talk trash about a person like Adam Streisand is just gauling
 
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I didn't want to post that thing here but to me it makes it obvious that Howard Mann behind this all. For not going to his website then let's summarize and comment on it

He wants to make a point that Katherine said those things about Branca. He claims HTWF is Michael charity. and that money is left to "his charity".

Calls Adam Streisand "Estate in-house council", calls signature fraud claims "puppeteer" and that his attempts fell flat as he was fired.

then this statement "The truth is, Katherine Jackson's patience is wearing thin and she beginning to realize that if she does not stand up against the corruption and injustice behind the closed doors of her son's estate, there will be nothing left for Michael's children."

I'm really curious if Howard Mann really believes that he's fooling anyone with this statements. and that this moment I'm really hoping that Branca goes lawsuit happy and starts suing everyone for defamation / slander.
he's truly an idiot.
 
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As for Prince and Paris dating.. I highly doubt Michael would have let his 13 year old daughter date or son as a matter of fact, from my knowledge Prince started 'dating' age 13 as well. But I can't even say I'm surprised, everyone in that household, - all of them started 'dating' young.
If there was some monitoring, someone with a genuine heart, around them; I'd say oh come on this is puppy love, but all of us know that puppy love can turn into something far more serious, especially if there is no one out there looking out for you, or questioning you.

I'm sorry, I know it is off topic, but this is exactly how I feel. Exactly!
 
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I never thought I would type those word I am eating one Million crows but TMZ need to sand in a spy we need to know what is going on with MJ mother and kids is H MANN blackmailing her I know some of it is her doing but she is a old lady and may be easly confuse I remember my g/mother at that age she would say the same thing over and over,
I dont think KJ have a chance between Randy, Joe and Mann that way too much evil for one old lady to deal with.
This can't be good for those kids.
 
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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Does this case official start on Monday (April 18, 2011)?
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Does this case official start on Monday (April 18, 2011)?

It starts Tuesday April 19th. They are estimating it to take 5 days.

and today is the day of the objections. So we'll probably have some info about that late today or tomorrow.
 
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It starts Tuesday April 19th. They are estimating it to take 5 days.

and today is the day of the oppositions. So we'll probably have some info about that late today or tomorrow.


what is 'the oppositions' - the estates testimony?
 
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At the end of the day this will not end well for Mrs Jackson at the very best Mann or this Johnson woman will end up suing her. At the very worst she will get sued and the kids perhaps will be removed from her care. I have a feeling something is going to pop off soon and it won't be pretty not at all
 
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At the end of the day this will not end well for Mrs Jackson at the very best Mann or this Johnson woman will end up suing her. At the very worst she will get sued and the kids perhaps will be removed from her care. I have a feeling something is going to pop off soon and it won't be pretty not at all
agree with u
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I am pretty sure he is holding the threat of lawsuit over her head.

If that's the case, then in my opinion, Katherine needs to get herself away from him. And unfortunately she will just have to deal with it in court if he sues. I don't believe that she is entirely blameless with getting into this mess. But still, this is not good for her. Someone needs to step in and save her before the stress causes her to have serious problems with her health. She is too old for this crap. Again, all my opinion.
 
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what is 'the oppositions' - the estates testimony?

sorry the correct word is "objections"

All through this week we posted summaries of the "declarations / witness statements" filed with the court. In other words everyone involved in this case told their stories. Objections is when the opposite side look to what the other people said and object to them based on law. Most probably we'll see claims like "hearsay", "speculation" etc.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I didn't want to post that thing here but to me it makes it obvious that Howard Mann behind this all. For not going to his website then let's summarize and comment on it

He wants to make a point that Katherine said those things about Branca. He claims HTWF is Michael charity. and that money is left to "his charity".

I believe it was Randy Jackson who convinced Michael to fire Branca, in 2003. There were claims of an offshore account where Branca was supposedly skimming money, but that was never found/proven. There were also claims that Branca was double-dipping and working for BOTH Michael AND Sony, simultaneously. That one seems more likely, and if true, would have represented a conflict of interest. (The old letter terminating Branca is online -- I'd have to hunt it up. It said that Branca must turn over to Michael any and all documents that he still possessed related to anything he did for Michael in his capacity as his attorney. What transpired between Michael and Branca in those few days when he was hired back, we do NOT know.)

Whatever the case, it's very possible that the current "Branca statements" are coming from Randy, yet again, behind-the-scenes, and from Mann, overtly. This would seem to indicate that Katherine has totally lost control of her own situation.

Calls Adam Streisand "Estate in-house council", calls signature fraud claims "puppeteer" and that his attempts fell flat as he was fired.

That borders on defamation, if not ACTUALLY defamation (and it might be). It's a risky statement to make with no proof. Streisand seems to have been looking out for Katherine's interests, when no one else is!

then this statement "The truth is, Katherine Jackson's patience is wearing thin and she beginning to realize that if she does not stand up against the corruption and injustice behind the closed doors of her son's estate, there will be nothing left for Michael's children."

If anyone's "patience is wearing thin," it would be the executors. So far, they have refrained from SUING Katherine, as Mann's "partner." The executors have an interest in preserving/growing the estate, because they make a percentage of every profit. They also are charged with preserving/increasing the estate, for the heirs, i.e. Michael's CHILDREN! These interests are not in opposition. . the more money the estate makes, the more money the children make, and the more the executors make in a percentage. Their efforts to sue Johnson/Mann benefit the CHILDREN. If anyone is working against the children (and they are), that would be Mann, Johnson, AND the children's own grandmother. It seems now that this "charity" has given NO money to any benefit for anyone, except to buy up yet more domain names. That is NOT a "charity," but a business venture to sell Michael-related products.

In all of this, i'm wondering where the children's guardian ad litem is??? Surely the association of the children with this fake charity is not a good thing, and actually works AGAINST the children's own financial interests.

I'm really curious if Howard Mann really believes that he's fooling anyone with this statements. and that this moment I'm really hoping that Branca goes lawsuit happy and starts suing everyone for defamation / slander.

I hope so, too. So far, the executors have been courteous about Katherine's outrageous behavior, and have refrained from suing HER. But, they could. That time might have come, because she shows no signs of stopping her behavior, which is actually COUNTER to her grandchildren's interests and has become quite a public embarrassment.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

I hope somebody is loving these children. I hope they aren't "dating" because they want some one to love them.
I know people are concerned about the kids getting brainwashed but I hope the kids when they get older will look at the actions of their daddy in regards to the family and realize what this family put Michael through. That information is out there and they will find it. I really believe they will be so angry that their dad was used so badly by his own family for so may years. They will turn on this family just wait and see. Michael must be crying.

I listened to the interview with John Landis and I thought it was a little harsh but I change my mind. He said the Jackson's are squeezing money out of Michael's corpse and said it was creepy!
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

All through this week we posted summaries of the "declarations / witness statements" filed with the court. In other words everyone involved in this case told their stories. Objections is when the opposite side look to what the other people said and object to them based on law. Most probably we'll see claims like "hearsay", "speculation" etc.

Was Katherine Jackson's declaration filed in total, or was the last page missing? I seem to recall something about the last page of her declaration not being attached?

In any event, IF her declaration were filed without the last page, the signature page, could that be brought up during this period of "objections?"
 
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Ivy you say the trial starts next Tuesday April 19th. Is this the case?

On Jacksonssecretvault is states the trial starts April 29th.
 
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I hope somebody is loving these children. I hope they aren't "dating" because they want some one to love them.
I know people are concerned about the kids getting brainwashed but I hope the kids when they get older will look at the actions of their daddy in regards to the family and realize what this family put Michael through. That information is out there and they will find it. I really believe they will be so angry that their dad was used so badly by his own family for so may years. They will turn on this family just wait and see. Michael must be crying.

I listened to the interview with John Landis and I thought it was a little harsh but I change my mind. He said the Jackson's are squeezing money out of Michael's corpse and said it was creepy!

I have to agree with Landis's assesment here. It is pure money grabbing and I pray that the kids can see through it all.
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Was Katherine Jackson's declaration filed in total, or was the last page missing? I seem to recall something about the last page of her declaration not being attached?

In any event, IF her declaration were filed without the last page, the signature page, could that be brought up during this period of "objections?"

last page is there but page 5 is missing and my opinion is that it's a page numbering error

Ivy you say the trial starts next Tuesday April 19th. Is this the case?

On Jacksonssecretvault is states the trial starts April 29th.

yes it's the case see for yourself below. and jacksonsecretvault has never been credible

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Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

All Katherine had to do was raise his children and focus on that. The estate is taking of her and the kids like Michael wanted. She doesn't need to worry about money. The other Jacksons are grown ups and should take care of themselves. Where are Janet and the others? Don't they pay attention to their mother and her dealings? She shouldn't have to do dealings. When Prince and Paris become adults can they be Blanket's legal guardian and leave?
 
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Ivy, I know Autumn asked this queation but I am curious as well. Can the guardian ad litem do anything to protect these children? I mean their financial interests are potentially being affected here. I know that's not our only concern but is it the only one she can address?
 
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Ivy, I know Autumn asked this queation but I am curious as well. Can the guardian ad litem do anything to protect these children? I mean their financial interests are potentially being affected here. I know that's not our only concern but is it the only one she can address?

I don't know for certain, but it seems like this is something she COULD address. Mann/Katherine are adversarial with the estate. With the estate, it's certain that the money will revert to the children when they come of age. With Mann's enterprises, and Katherine's, there is no guarantee at all that the children would see ANY of the revenues.

The guardian ad litem doesn't oversee their emotional well-being, or any kind of social-work types of things. She DOES oversee their financial well-being, and this fake (IMHO) charity does impact their finances. So, where IS she?
 
Re: Update: MJ Estate files supplement to their complaint against Melissa Johnson and HTWF

Did anybody here the NEW story that's going around?

Apparently Katherine Jackson has hired a NEW attorney.

This attorney wants to work with the Estate of Michael Jackson and their work revolves around, of course, getting MORE money for Katherine Jackson.

If this story is true, I'm sure it will turn up here shortly (I think - LOL).
 
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It's posted on TMZ. And it shows you the claim isn't "corruption" on Branca's part but it's just a request of "give me more money".

Edited to add this

I'm seriously tired of Jacksons labeling everything fake / fraud / forgery but then doing nothing about it. If there's indeed any fraud in any event (will, estate, album etc) they really should be taking it to the court and make those claims official. If you write a declaration calling that man a crook, if your "business partner" cries corruption but then you send your new lawyer to discuss more money, sorry but I can't take you seriously.
 
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Did anybody here the NEW story that's going around?

Apparently Katherine Jackson has hired a NEW attorney.

This attorney wants to work with the Estate of Michael Jackson and their work revolves around, of course, getting MORE money for Katherine Jackson.

If this story is true, I'm sure it will turn up here shortly (I think - LOL).

Of course, it all about money. It's always is.

Katherine has really disappoint me...she is too far gone.
 
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Hi, do you have a link to the united states district court with all official documents like there is for Murray 's case pls ??
I found this blog (you might know) with lots of official docs http://www.rosespeaks.com/downloads/?category=3
 
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http://www.tmz.com/2011/04/15/kathe...-donations-executors-stole-accusations-money/


Katherine's New Lawyer to Estate: Let's Be Fair
13 minutes ago by TMZ Staff



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Katherine Jackson has just hired a lawyer to repair the damaged relationship with the Michael Jackson Estate ...trying to unlock some of the money the Estate is raking in and give it to MJ's mom.


Katherine hired Perry Sanders, a big time litigator who, among other things, was pivotal in securing the publishing rights for the proper owners against Master P and the No Limit Records catalog.

Sanders tells TMZ ... he wants to work with MJ Estate lawyer Howard Weitzman to see if they can reach some sort of common ground.

As TMZ first reported, the Estate is already paying Katherine $26,000 a month. In addition, the Estate has paid off the mortgage to the Jackson family home, bought her a car, hired a cook and paid for various vacations and other expenses.

Katherine and her people feel they haven't gotten enough dough, given that the Estate has made hundreds of millions of bucks since Michael's death.

For his part, Weitzman tells TMZ, "If Mr. Sanders is in fact Mrs. Jackson's new lawyer, I will be glad to talk to him."
 
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