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Murray could end up on house arrest if convicted

Please everyone calm down a bit. Hating countries, hating my country, slamming justice systems, doubting God...really now.
Think:
Suppose cm had been charged with M2 and they couldn't prove it and murray walks, then what? Potentially no felony conviction, no loss of license and no loss of practicing medicine. Michael would still be humiliated and murray would be walking around A FREE MAN, and with his "I am an innocent man" vindicated. No, no no... I would rather he be convicted and proclaimed a felon in the eyes of the world and the medical boards even if it is only manslaughter. And let's not forget he hasn't been convicted yet...

I would love to see him slapped into handcuffs and led away to serve jail time in the state prison, I would love to see the look on that arrogant face as the cold steel circles his wrists and the cameras snap in his face. I don't know how accurate that TMZ story is, I don't know if there are exceptions or recommendations by judges have any affect so I will wait and see.

I do wonder if he winds up in house arrest, what precisely does that mean? He would be restricted from leaving the confines of his residence? Or would he have a range to stick within? And what house would he serve it in? His baby mama's apartment? Flanagan's? Does he have a house in California? Would he have to buy a house? They ain't cheap. And think of the opportunities for us to hold vigils outside. Psychological warfare...might not take much to push him over...
 
Ive said many time I dont really care that much about time served or how the rest of Murrays days play out as none of that will bring our Michael back. I hope he is sentenced to the full amount of Four yrs but Ive never seen that as a reality. For Michael's sake I want Murray found guilty for causing his death so there is not another false accusation Michael has to carry on his Legacy. Its sad that even in this trial Michael has to be vindicated like he is the one one trial but its true he does. I want Murray to found Guilty for the crime of killing Michael. One thing positive this trial did is show is Michael was not a practicing drug addict or junkie as the media wanted to display and it also showed Michael's pure heart in wanting to help and care for children.

I hope Murray will get the max sentence for his crime. but I am not going to let that tear me to pieces if he doesnt. I want to go on and celebrate Michael life and legacy when this is done and I am not going let Murray take that away from me. I will not allow that man to take away all that is left to make Michael shine and be honored in the true light he deserves. I wont look back when this is finished. Im so tired of the hate the hurt the pain he has caused. I wont allow him to take aways another day ... This is not how I want to remember Michael and is not how he wished to be remembered. In Dec Im going to cirque du soleil and the Fan fest to remember all the love, joy and beautiful things Michael has brought to this world and Dr Murray will be dead to me ..
 
tbh reading how unlikely it is for him to get the maximum sentence and how he could end up doing only few months in jail not even state prison, but county jail -if at all- is just tearing me apart. I'm trying to hold onto something that he'll be punished etc but it just doesn't seem to be that way, of course there is the son of sam law, but still. after this trial ends, and if murray is conviced at all, many of us will be left in pieces having to pick ourselves up again. idk if I can go through this again after loosing michael. but I will follow this trial cuz I believe that I owe it to michael.
 
twinklEE said:
tbh reading how unlikely it is for him to get the maximum sentence and how he could end up doing only few months in jail not even state prison, but county jail -if at all- is just tearing me apart. I'm trying to hold onto something that he'll be punished etc but it just doesn't seem to be that way, of course there is the son of sam law, but still. after this trial ends, and if murray is conviced at all, many of us will be left in pieces having to pick ourselves up again. idk if I can go through this again after loosing michael. but I will follow this trial cuz I believe that I owe it to michael.
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Yeah. People react to tragedy in different ways. Some can move on, enjoy the legacy of music and videos Michael left behind, and some of us are NOT THERE YET. I think all ways of coping are valid, actually, unless there are threats of violence made, or anything like that.

I gave up on any sort of realistic justice being done, when the charges were just IM. It's NOT enough, IMHO, and some of us do think that the risk of Murder2 would have been worth it. Given the overcrowding of California prisons, even with a maximum sentence of four years, it's far more likely to think that he will serve a few weeks in a county jail, or be on house arrest, or even just probation. That's just how it is, and nobody wins. I need to see the verdict happen, for closure, but this has NOT been justice. Whatever happens now. Not justice, at all. Sorry, but that IS my opinion.
 
Given the tenor of TMZ generally and especially its recent abysmal antics, the last thing I am going to do is give credence to anything that horrible tabloid says and certainly not share information from other news sources who poached from this article. The judge is charged with administering the sentence and when the time comes I would prefer to let the court do its job. Speculating, especially based on "information" provided by those who do not have Michael's best interests at heart, is not something I personally will engage in.
 
twinklEE said:
tbh reading how unlikely it is for him to get the maximum sentence and how he could end up doing only few months in jail not even state prison, but county jail -if at all- is just tearing me apart. I'm trying to hold onto something that he'll be punished etc but it just doesn't seem to be that way, of course there is the son of sam law, but still. after this trial ends, and if murray is conviced at all, many of us will be left in pieces having to pick ourselves up again. idk if I can go through this again after loosing michael. but I will follow this trial cuz I believe that I owe it to michael.
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Your WHOLE post is EXACTLY how I feel. I have been thinking about this ALL day, WHERE is the justice....WHERE is it!!!! Murray should not just be able to walk away from this with such a light sentence. Poeple DONT care about what Murray did,,,,before the trial he was walking down the street with his girlfriend and his kid and NO ONE GAVE A SHIT. NO ONE paid him ANY attention. He was going to theme parks and having fun. Michael GOT the ULTIMATE SENTENCE, i COULD CARELESS if Murray's life is ruined...and to me... him being label as the man that killed Michael Jackson...is NOT enough. Like I said..,..people dont CARE. Murray deserves something AWHOLE LOT WORSE THAN 2-4 years behind bars or in a house, Granted it wont bring Michael back...but knowning that justice WAS served would make it a little easier. This whole damn thing is one BIG joke....WHY did I even have ANY hope that Murray MIGHT just get what is coming to him....what a idiot I am to even try and be hopeful. When I read this I was like....THATS IT I AM DONE, But as you said I owe it to Michael to carry through watching the rest of this trial.
 
Autumn II said:
Yeah. People react to tragedy in different ways. Some can move on, enjoy the legacy of music and videos Michael left behind, and some of us are NOT THERE YET. I think all ways of coping are valid, actually, unless there are threats of violence made, or anything like that.

I gave up on any sort of realistic justice being done, when the charges were just IM. It's NOT enough, IMHO, and some of us do think that the risk of Murder2 would have been worth it. Given the overcrowding of California prisons, even with a maximum sentence of four years, it's far more likely to think that he will serve a few weeks in a county jail, or be on house arrest, or even just probation. That's just how it is, and nobody wins. I need to see the verdict happen, for closure, but this has NOT been justice. Whatever happens now. Not justice, at all. Sorry, but that IS my opinion.
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Based on what I have seen at the trial so far, I think murder 2 most certainly would have been appropriate. I am not well versed in Californian law but have been told that implied malice murder 2 does not require intent to be proved as it can be inferred. (I hope this is correct information, apologies if not.) Even non-fans have been scratching their heads at why there were so many blatant and extreme deviations from the standard of care...

(On second thoughts, I've taken out what I said here... I am not sure even I believe it sometimes.)
 
I'm not even going to allow myself to emotionally invest in this notion until we know exactly what is happening.

None of the options we're faced with are justice imo...we are never getting Michael back, and his life is worth...well more than I could even express. The amount of grief and upset he's caused to 3 children, his family and fans is unspeakable. And he doesn't show a single ounce of remorse in that courtroom. How he can even look anyone in the eye is beyond me. It's just messed up. But right now, I'm holding out for some kind of justice somehow, because it's all we have left.
 
StaceyMJ said:
I'm not even going to allow myself to emotionally invest in this notion until we know exactly what is happening.

None of the options we're faced with are justice imo...we are never getting Michael back, and his life is worth...well more than I could even express. The amount of grief and upset he's caused to 3 children, his family and fans is unspeakable. And he doesn't show a single ounce of remorse in that courtroom. How he can even look anyone in the eye is beyond me. It's just messed up. But right now, I'm holding out for some kind of justice somehow, because it's all we have left.
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There is an ULTIMATE justice, that is what I'm holding out for. I no longer expect it for Michael, on this earth.

As far as the Murder 2 vs. IM? And also the likely penalties for a conviction? My opinions and info do not come from TMZ at all, but from looking into California law, and also legal minds on media, including Marc Geragos, who explained very well about "implied malice" not requiring "intent." (I'm not likely to change my mind on that opinion, either. What's done is done. Minimal risk, almost NO gain, is the way I see it. Michael deserved better, IMHO.)
 
mjcool said:
death penalty makes prisons less crowded :p
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I like the way you think.
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I say, let the culling begin.

With that said, I can't say I'm very surprised over this. I do think he will end up in prison, but let's be honest, this is California, prisons there are probably overcrowded as all Hell, and putting it objectively, Murray is less of an immediate threat against the general public than a rapist or a mass murderer.

As much as I hate to admit it, the state justice system's civil duties would have to take first command--it is not that they do not care about Michael--this trial is going on for a reason, and that is so that the whole world over knows who was responsible for Michael Jackson's death, and that he suffers the consequences of his negligence. Moreover, let us not forget that Michael was an international icon who was loved by millions--even if Murray went abroad, there would be no way he could conceal his face--by now plastered all over the Internet and any other mass media communication medium imaginable--from the scorn of the general public. Let's not forget the fact that Michael was widely loved and recognized even in the most remote parts of the world, meaning even in the most obscure of places, there would be nowhere Murray could escape his past.

He will be given Hell either in prison or outside of it, as far as I am concerned. Sometimes, the court of public opinion and the branding you are forced to live with (both deservedly, as in this case, and unjustly as in others) can be harsher are more destructive than a whole decade in prison. The way I see it, his career will be over even if he is fully acquitted (which, let's face it, there's pretty much almost no way that's happening). He's already disgraced (and for once, rightfully so) in the court of public opinion as the guy who lied to the police, paramedics, hospital staff, and quite possibly (imho most definitely without question) killed a man.

In short, no one who doesn't have a serious death wish will want to visit his clinic from this point forward.

But, like Thrillerchild said, this is just a TMZ spin on the story. Meaning, it is something that could turn out to be the case, but it is not set in stone that he will avoid state prison altogether.

No matter which way you look at it, in all honesty, even if you take the guy and string him up by the b---s, pour red hot Taco Bell sauce on his eyes, and force him to listen to Rebecca Black's "Friday" non-stop for four weeks in a row in a sickeningly white padded room with no windows, before sentencing him to jail time, which he only partially completes due to a premature death caused by a rear rupture at the hands of Bubba which caused internal bleeding.... nothing will be enough of a punishment.

It will all seem too small, compared to what he took from Prince, Paris, and Blanket...compared to what he took from us all.
 
Severus Snape said:
No matter which way you look at it, in all honesty, even if you take the guy and string him up by the b---s, pour red hot Taco Bell sauce on his eyes, and force him to listen to Rebecca Black's "Friday" non-stop for four weeks in a row in a sickeningly white padded room with no windows, before sentencing him to jail time, which he only partially completes due to a premature death caused by a rear rupture at the hands of Bubba which caused internal bleeding.... nothing will be enough of a punishment.

It will all seem too small, compared to what he took from Prince, Paris, and Blanket...compared to what he took from us all.
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EPIC rant! Thanks for the catharsis. Actually, that helped. :clapping::clapping::clapping:

(edit) Usually my prayers are positive, :angel:but in this instance, I sincerely hope that Murray drops the soap. Multiple times.
 
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I'm beyond speechless!

Indeed Michael was humiliated.
Michael was humiliated in '93, in 2005, inbetween & thereafter!
MICHAEL WAS & IS INNOCENT!

FOR NOTHING. NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING!

And in my opinion he had to die, way before his time, because of this circumstances.

He died at the hands of this Anti-Dr. & because of what mankind did to him!

And his hangman will have a nice, cosey life after been convicted.

With the words of the expert witness, Dr. Nader Kamangar, of this week:
INCONCEIVABLE!!!
 
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If he's convicted its already bad enough for him. Maybe not for fans who wanted a more harsh punishment. However, for him, to be convicted and lose his license, it can be pretty bad.
 
^Losing your whole career is worse than people think. This is basically the medical world equivalent of being a pedophile grade school teacher. In the teaching K-12 world, the worst thing you could be is obviously a teacher/priest/other authority figure who abuses his students. In the medical world, the worst thing you can be is a negligent and careless doctor whose patients end up dead (it kind of makes people not want to trust you or go within a 100 mile radius of your practice).

Anyway, much like sex offender teachers, doctors who commit offences against their patients in the form of negligence/recklessness which eventually ends up in wrongful death and accompanying lawsuit are never allowed to practice their craft again, by having their licence revoked. Like I said before, this is way worse than people might imagine, especially in this recession economy, where not even people who haven't committed unspeakable crimes against each and every principle of their profession can find jobs.

It's one thing to explain to a future employer that you were cut from the team because the place needed to save money, and it's a whole other can of worms to tell a prospective employer about that one time when you were a f--ing idiot and killed your patient with your impossible to believe incompetence and negligence, how you were sentenced to spend x amount of years in prison, and how you're not going to ever practice medicine again. And, that is why you are humbly seeking employment at this fine dining establishment...

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BUT WAIT! You said you got convicted for killing a guy through gross negligence and utter stupidity on your part. Perhaps being a food service technician is a bit too advanced for you. We think you'd be better as a...

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Restroom Technician. Look, you even get a nice symbolic picture of your old career and your new career! :D

How much do you want to bet Murray will be lovin' it? ;)

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(He seems to be looking forward to it, judging by his expression here).

P.S. I know, I'm a b--ch. Can't help it, but I kinda sorta really hate him right now, and this is probably the closest I will ever come to making him suffer. So, this is how I cope.
 
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cinzia said:
Please everyone calm down a bit. Hating countries, hating my country, slamming justice systems, doubting God...really now.
Think:
Suppose cm had been charged with M2 and they couldn't prove it and murray walks, then what? Potentially no felony conviction, no loss of license and no loss of practicing medicine. Michael would still be humiliated and murray would be walking around A FREE MAN, and with his "I am an innocent man" vindicated. No, no no... I would rather he be convicted and proclaimed a felon in the eyes of the world and the medical boards even if it is only manslaughter. And let's not forget he hasn't been convicted yet...

I would love to see him slapped into handcuffs and led away to serve jail time in the state prison, I would love to see the look on that arrogant face as the cold steel circles his wrists and the cameras snap in his face. I don't know how accurate that TMZ story is, I don't know if there are exceptions or recommendations by judges have any affect so I will wait and see.

I do wonder if he winds up in house arrest, what precisely does that mean? He would be restricted from leaving the confines of his residence? Or would he have a range to stick within? And what house would he serve it in? His baby mama's apartment? Flanagan's? Does he have a house in California? Would he have to buy a house? They ain't cheap. And think of the opportunities for us to hold vigils outside. Psychological warfare...might not take much to push him over...
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Yes, stop hating, PERIOD, I say! Hindsight is 20/20 and like you said, the possible punishment range Murray is looking at is no surprise for anyone. We all knew what he could be facing if convicted. As far as I'm concerned, I would be happy with him just being found guilty and having his medical license stripped for life here (US). That would hurt him much worse than being in prison for a few years. For him to be officially documented and convicted as Michael's killer is huge.

Like many have posted, no matter what the charge and punishment could've been, nothing is bringing Michael back. Michael can't be hurt anymore, can't be humiliated anymore. He's at peace.
 
To be honest I am not expecting the full four year sentence whatsoever. It's just in reality not a possibility with the overcrowding.
 
Although this is only TMZ we do have to prepare ourselves that this may be the outcome. Many fans seem to assume that he will serve the max sentence, but he may not and I agree that what is most important is that he is guilty and that he loses his licence.

I also agree that this should be murder 2 but that would be much harder to prove, they would have to prove that he was on iv and that during which Murray left the room. The problem with proving that is the fact that the house wasn't sealed, family were nosing around and we know that the bag with the iv wasn't recovered until a couple of days later. So as frustrating as it is I would rather IM charge and a conviction than the chance he walks.
 
Does the judge have the decision over the sentence or are the jury involved aswell. i had a wierd dream last night where the judge was talking to us all at a fan gathering and he told us he knows murrays as guilty as hell and would give him 15 years if he could.
 
I think perhaps the jury could make recommendations, not sure about in the US. One of the legal eagles may know, ask in the Q&A section.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Does the judge have the decision over the sentence or are the jury involved aswell. i had a wierd dream last night where the judge was talking to us all at a fan gathering and he told us he knows murrays as guilty as hell and would give him 15 years if he could.
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Fascinating! The dream is probably accurate?

Sadly, the jury is constrained about UPPING the charges. Not sure if they'll have input in determining sentencing, or if that's only the judge? A judge in the U.S. typically has a lot of authority in the courtroom, and can even overturn a jury's verdict. Doesn't happen often, but it's possible.
 
Can they even overturn a n/g verdict. i know guiltys have been overturned in other states or at least the verdicts was reduced from murder to m/s in a case i followed
 
Did a little researching on this law that has upset so many thanks to TMZ. The simplest thing I found is this: http://www.prisonlaw.com/pdfs/Population,Oct14,2011.pdf

Some excerpts:

In-coming felons and parole violators who will be housed in the county jails under
the new laws are in the legal custody of the counties and not the California
Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation (CDCR). Different rules and
policies may apply to these people because they are in county jails rather than
in state prisons

Some Prisoners Are or Will be Housed in Out-of-State Facilities.
Since 2006, the CDCR has contracted with correctional facilities in other states to house
California prisoners. It appears that CDCR will continue to house some prisoners in out-of-state
facilities. Prisoners can be housed in out-of-state facilities either voluntarily or involuntarily.
MORE PEOPLE WILL SERVE THEIR SENTENCES IN COUNTY JAIL RATHER
THAN STATE PRISON
As of January 25, 2010, new laws raised the value of the property that must be taken and
the number of prior offenses required for some property crimes to be classified as felonies. This
change applies to prisoners who committed their crimes on or after January 25, 2011 or whose
criminal judgments were still appealable or were being appealed as of that date.
For crimes committed on or after October 1, 2011, some lower-level felons will serve their
sentences in county jail instead of state prison. There are exceptions so that state prison housing is
required for some types of crimes; the sentencing rules and exceptions are set forth in the statutes
governing the various crimes.
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At least in this informational letter there is absolutely no mention of 'house arrest' as any kind of an option only this :
Some Prisoners Can Serve their Time in an Alternative Custody Program.
As of September 2011, the CDCR will allow some people to serve part of their sentences in
residential homes, drug-treatment programs or transitional-care facilities. As of October 2011, the program is available only to female prisoners who are pregnant or who were primary caregivers for children prior to incarceration AND who have 24 months or less left to serve on their sentences.
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I would think if house arrest were really an option it would be spelled out in this document somewhere but it isn't.
 
cinzia said:
Did a little researching on this law that has upset so many thanks to TMZ. The simplest thing I found is this: http://www.prisonlaw.com/pdfs/Population,Oct14,2011.pdf

Some excerpts:



At least in this informational letter there is absolutely no mention of 'house arrest' as any kind of an option only this :


I would think if house arrest were really an option it would be spelled out in this document somewhere but it isn't.
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Some Prisoners Can Serve their Time in an Alternative Custody Program.
As of September 2011, the CDCR will allow some people to serve part of their sentences in
residential homes, drug-treatment programs or transitional-care facilities. As of October 2011, the program is available only to female prisoners who are pregnant or who were primary caregivers for children prior to incarceration AND who have 24 months or less left to serve on their sentences.

the bolded part?? Residential homes....means ..house arrest.
 
xthunderx2 said:
Some Prisoners Can Serve their Time in an Alternative Custody Program.
As of September 2011, the CDCR will allow some people to serve part of their sentences in
residential homes, drug-treatment programs or transitional-care facilities. As of October 2011, the program is available only to female prisoners who are pregnant or who were primary caregivers for children prior to incarceration AND who have 24 months or less left to serve on their sentences.

the bolded part?? Residential homes....means ..house arrest.
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Let's read the rest of the sentence: available only to female prisoners...

In the context of the sentence I took 'residential homes' to mean supervised residential care facilities vs. private homes. I think it is ambiguous, unless you are conversant in corrections jargon, but since murray isn't female, it wouldn't apply to him anyway. Would it now?
 
cinzia said:
Let's read the rest of the sentence: available only to female prisoners...

In the context of the sentence I took 'residential homes' to mean supervised residential care facilities vs. private homes. I think it is ambiguous, unless you are conversant in corrections jargon, but since murray isn't female, it wouldn't apply to him anyway. Would it now?
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well I see what you are saying about the pregnant woman part. But here in the US...people DO get house arrest with an ankle bracelet because of over crowding in our prisons. They are not to leave the property other wise an alarm will go off . They can only leave the house for like doctors appointments and stuff like that. They need to have special permission to do so. A fellow co-worker of mine has a son that was given house arrest...and she had to make sure that she had a place for him to sleep and a landline....I dont know what other requirements she had to meet before he was able to start serving out his house arrest. But yes,,,overcrowding is a HUGE problem here in the US. It is to bad that some people are repeat offenders and are continuously put back in jail.
 
Oh totally agree about the overcrowding and all. Way down deep in my heart and soul I refuse to think that a man convicted of killing Michael Jackson would be allowed 'house arrest'... sigh. *perks up* Maybe they'd send him out of state :) A prison in Alaska could be good...
 
I'll wait and see what happens, I'm gutted anyway and will never get over the charges. I am looking forward to him loosing his licence as this was his ticket to ride....literally. He won't find it easy to live without his trips to strip clubs, let alone hopefully having less money than he had before. I believe that for him, living with one woman will torture him, his not so morale lifestyle will, in the end be his downfall.
Can the judge issue a fine to help with the tremendous cost of this trial? if he can then his life will be more miserable with all the debt collectors he will have going after him. I would certainly hope he lives a miserable existence from here on in, even so, not justice enough.
 
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