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ok It works now.......I agree 100 percent with TINI....they totally have my support....I think they spoke for millions of fans that day....Thank you TINI.
 
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Sending a hug to Samantha.

You're a brave woman.
 
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Surprising that she cant even say the correct dates and times about the events..
 
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She is going up againts AEG and SOny, very powerful people. It very dangerous and yet she still wants to spread TINI and now she is accusing Sony and AEG have a role to play in murdering Michael and using Murray as the assasin. It's very dangerous. Those followers fans are so dedicated and they are willing to risk whatever it is just to spread the conspiracy about MJ's murder. I wish I could be there to help those fans but all I could is wish them all the best and wish MJ get justice as well!
 
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Thank You I have seen this....and I support the follower fans.....atleast they TRIED to help Michael...which is more than other people that were in his life tried to do.
 
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xthunderx2 said:
Thank You I have seen this....and I support the follower fans.....atleast they TRIED to help Michael...which is more than other people that were in his life tried to do.
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Very true.
Thank you for the link, it was very interesting.
 
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Thank you. Very brave girl. And the truth is so sad and horrible. Where did humanity come to?
 
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Everything she says contradicts what Michael was saying and how he was acting in the film. He was enthusiastic.......
 
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I dont like her tactics
MJ fans were screaming murderer muderer
as Murray appeared .. it just remined me of
those who were attcking MJ before he got his trial.

We cant represent Michael with hate or malice in our heart
If we do that we are NOT repesenting Michael

When kenny ortega twittered he had Bonchitus
Samatha replied to him "I hope you choke to death"

which he left up for all to see
as she and Karen Faye had been sending him
terrible things on twitter

Then she twittered
"Murderer" to kenny ortega :(

This is hateful and done with much malice
and that is not what Michael would have wanted

Even TINI stated she did NOT represent them when doing
such things .. becuase they got so many repies about what
Samanth was doing in thier name-

plus she was not being truthful in this interview
They did NOT place those letters in Mjs hand
they were given to a secutiry guard who said
he would give them to Michael.

they didnt find out he recieved them untill the memorial service
when the guard stated he gave them to Michael that evening.

These letters were very sensitive in nature
more or less them telling MJ they felt he was
not able or ready to doing the concerts _
They had lost faith in his ability to do so

I am trying to understand how Michael
may have felt that evening as he read all 25
of those letters _ just as he was getting ready
to embark on his creation TII _im sure it caused
him much concern that evening.

They were doing what they felt was right
but Michael didnt like negativity or being told he CANT
and especially to hear that from his fans must have
been overwhelming to him that evening.

I wish Murray would have never show up that night
Im sure Michael was very vunerable and had a more difficult
time sleeping ..

I do not belive in any conspiracy
My opinion is Murray acted alone with gross neglegence
he didnt care for his patient properly and was more interested
in the $$$$$ he would recieve. I dont think he had intent or
malice or for-thought of killing Michael

2nd degree will be very hard to get convition form a Jury
so said Tom Mez _ who also stated he though Murray should
have a Fair trial but CONVICT HIM ..
 
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qbee said:
I dont like her tactics
MJ fans were screaming murderer muderer
as Murray appeared .. it just remined me of
those who were attcking MJ before he got his trial.

We cant represent Michael with hate or malice in our heart
If we do that we are NOT repesenting Michael

When kenny ortega twittered he had Bonchitus
Samatha replied to him "I hope you choke to death"

which he left up for all to see
as she and Karen Faye had been sending him
terrible things on twitter

Then she twittered
"Murderer" to kenny ortega :(

This is hateful and done with much malice
and that is not what Michael would have wanted

Even TINI stated she did NOT represent them when doing
such things .. becuase they got so many repies about what
Samanth was doing in thier name-

plus she was not being truthful in this interview
They did NOT place those letters in Mjs hand
they were given to a secutiry guard who said
he would give them to Michael.

they didnt find out he recieved them untill the memorial service
when the guard stated he gave them to Michael that evening.

These letters were very sensitive in nature
more or less them telling MJ they felt he was
not able or ready to doing the concerts _
They had lost faith in his ability to do so

I am trying to understand how Michael
may have felt that evening as he read all 25
of those letters _ just as he was getting ready
to embark on his creation TII _im sure it caused
him much concern that evening.

They were doing what they felt was right
but Michael didnt like negativity or being told he CANT
and especially to hear that from his fans must have
been overwhelming to him that evening.

I wish Murray would have never show up that night
Im sure Michael was very vunerable and had a more difficult
time sleeping ..

I do not belive in any conspiracy
My opinion is Murray acted alone with gross neglegence
he didnt care for his patient properly and was more interested
in the $$$$$ he would recieve. I dont think he had intent or
malice or for-thought of killing Michael

2nd degree will be very hard to get convition form a Jury
so said Tom Mez _ who also stated he though Murray should
have a Fair trial but CONVICT HIM ..
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Argh! I can't stand the idea that Michael's last thoughts on us might have been that we thought he couldn't do those shows. And all because of the "follower fans"!
Michael clearly wanted to do those shows. He was happy and excited and involved in the whole thing.
His health is not why he died. Why can't they get that into their heads?! Michael was killed!
 
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L.T.D said:
Everything she says contradicts what Michael was saying and how he was acting in the film. He was enthusiastic.......
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I tend to believe both accounts.

I think as the date approached and the timeframe tightened, MJ became concerned about the whole project and himself. He had a lot on the line with this show. The 10 dates versus 50 became just one of several issues he was pointing out as the production grew and so did the tensions. At that time, he might have been second guessing everything and everyone, and felt they were not going to be able to pull the show off. And even moreso, he wouldn't be able to do so.

But then steps were taken to ease the process, including pushing the date back, and possibly shortening his shows, and even spreading them out more. John Branca was also brought back to help him accomplish some changes. Glitches were being worked out on all levels, technically and creatively.

As June progressed, MJ saw things were really coming together and his enthusiasm grew again. It's been said by the dancers and many others that the best rehearsals were in the last week or so.

So what he felt in May, could have changed over the course of the next several weeks as things were really falling into place.

Plus...we have to remember, Michael's confidence was shattered and his having misgivings at any point during this process is understandable.

But I do believe in the end, he was completely back on his professional game, and he felt that too.
 
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All this TINI stuff is really doing my head in. I know the intentions were there but as mentioned previously there is a lot of contradiction in all this. I hate it :cry:
 
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Nova said:
Argh! I can't stand the idea that Michael's last thoughts on us might have been that we thought he couldn't do those shows. And all because of the "follower fans"!
Michael clearly wanted to do those shows. He was happy and excited and involved in the whole thing.
His health is not why he died. Why can't they get that into their heads?! Michael was killed!
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this is not true, the follower fans wrote really nice letters to him, you may go to the TINI website, the letters are posted there. :)
 
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gerryevans said:
I tend to believe both accounts.

I think as the date approached and the timeframe tightened, MJ became concerned about the whole project and himself. He had a lot on the line with this show. The 10 dates versus 50 became just one of several issues he was pointing out as the production grew and so did the tensions. At that time, he might have been second guessing everything and everyone, and felt they were not going to be able to pull the show off. And even moreso, he wouldn't be able to do so.

But then steps were taken to ease the process, including pushing the date back, and possibly shortening his shows, and even spreading them out more. John Branca was also brought back to help him accomplish some changes. Glitches were being worked out on all levels, technically and creatively.

As June progressed, MJ saw things were really coming together and his enthusiasm grew again. It's been said by the dancers and many others that the best rehearsals were in the last week or so.

So what he felt in May, could have changed over the course of the next several weeks as things were really falling into place.

Plus...we have to remember, Michael's confidence was shattered and his having misgivings at any point during this process is understandable.

But I do believe in the end, he was completely back on his professional game, and he felt that too.
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Yeah you could be right, there is a big difference in his attitude from the press conference to when hes actually on stage.

Perhaps we'll never no.

It does annoy me though, this whole TINI thing. Have you seen some of those videos on youtube? On one they do spoof of the This is it Trailer. Basically they show a clip of Randy Phillips saying how healthy he is, but then show a clip of MJ in the white blanket after he had passed away.

But he didnt die because he wasnt healthy, he died from a Propofol overdose! Then they show a picture from 2009 compared to one in 1997 showing how thin he had got. But he didnt die because he was thin, he died from a Propofol overdose!!!!

They can claim MJ didnt want to do 50 shows all they want, thats fine because its quite possible that he didnt. But dont make the link between health problems and his death.

I watched This is it and I saw Michael lieing on the floor kicking his legs in the air at 50 years old. Dont tell me he wasnt healthy.

On top of that, Michael had been that thin for a good 1 or 2 years. There is a picture of him from 2008 in his PJ's and hes just as thin there as he was on This is it.
 
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watching this is it makes me not believe this 1 little percent, these people havent watched the film because they are protesting against it lol.

if they would watch it surely they would see that what theyre saying is wrong LOL
 
Re: A Final Conversation With Michael

qbee said:
I dont like her tactics
MJ fans were screaming murderer muderer
as Murray appeared .. it just remined me of
those who were attcking MJ before he got his trial.

We cant represent Michael with hate or malice in our heart
If we do that we are NOT repesenting Michael

When kenny ortega twittered he had Bonchitus
Samatha replied to him "I hope you choke to death"

which he left up for all to see
as she and Karen Faye had been sending him
terrible things on twitter

Then she twittered
"Murderer" to kenny ortega :(

This is hateful and done with much malice
and that is not what Michael would have wanted

Even TINI stated she did NOT represent them when doing
such things .. becuase they got so many repies about what
Samanth was doing in thier name-

plus she was not being truthful in this interview
They did NOT place those letters in Mjs hand
they were given to a secutiry guard who said
he would give them to Michael.

they didnt find out he recieved them untill the memorial service
when the guard stated he gave them to Michael that evening.

These letters were very sensitive in nature
more or less them telling MJ they felt he was
not able or ready to doing the concerts _
They had lost faith in his ability to do so

I am trying to understand how Michael
may have felt that evening as he read all 25
of those letters _ just as he was getting ready
to embark on his creation TII _im sure it caused
him much concern that evening.

They were doing what they felt was right
but Michael didnt like negativity or being told he CANT
and especially to hear that from his fans must have
been overwhelming to him that evening.

I wish Murray would have never show up that night
Im sure Michael was very vunerable and had a more difficult
time sleeping ..

I do not belive in any conspiracy
My opinion is Murray acted alone with gross neglegence
he didnt care for his patient properly and was more interested
in the $$$$$ he would recieve. I dont think he had intent or
malice or for-thought of killing Michael

2nd degree will be very hard to get convition form a Jury
so said Tom Mez _ who also stated he though Murray should
have a Fair trial but CONVICT HIM ..
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so what's your opinion of TMez, now?
 
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AdamBa17 said:
watching this is it makes me not believe this 1 little percent, these people havent watched the film because they are protesting against it lol.

if they would watch it surely they would see that what theyre saying is wrong LOL
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Yeah exactly! I hadnt even considered they havent even seen the film, that just gives them less credability.

I hate to say this, but I think a lot of there protest is just them bragging that they were the ones who tried to be there for Michael and thought there was something wrong with him. Thats just my opinion anyway....

Im not doubting they really were concerned about him. But its just like 'Oh, we knew something was wrong with him and we were the only ones who tried to help him!'
 
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Ágnes said:
this is not true, the follower fans wrote really nice letters to him, you may go to the TINI website, the letters are posted there. :)
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No thanks. I have read and heard enough of the "This Is Not It" stuff already. And I find some of their behaviour absolutely disgusting. Like calling Kenny Ortega a murderer, for example. That is despicable and they should be ashamed of themselves. They need to start facing reality. And the reality is that Michael was killed. He did not die because of his health.
 
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The TINI stuff is so contradictory and confusing. I don't want to comment too much on it as it has divided the fans. All I will say is that I just pray that the truth about what happened to Michael will come out eventually. Michael deserves justice and we all need to be behind it.
 
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qbee said:
I dont like her tactics
MJ fans were screaming murderer muderer
as Murray appeared .. it just remined me of
those who were attcking MJ before he got his trial.

We cant represent Michael with hate or malice in our heart
If we do that we are NOT repesenting Michael

When kenny ortega twittered he had Bonchitus
Samatha replied to him "I hope you choke to death"

which he left up for all to see
as she and Karen Faye had been sending him
terrible things on twitter

Then she twittered
"Murderer" to kenny ortega :(

This is hateful and done with much malice
and that is not what Michael would have wanted

Even TINI stated she did NOT represent them when doing
such things .. becuase they got so many repies about what
Samanth was doing in thier name-

plus she was not being truthful in this interview
They did NOT place those letters in Mjs hand
they were given to a secutiry guard who said
he would give them to Michael.

they didnt find out he recieved them untill the memorial service
when the guard stated he gave them to Michael that evening.

These letters were very sensitive in nature
more or less them telling MJ they felt he was
not able or ready to doing the concerts _
They had lost faith in his ability to do so

I am trying to understand how Michael
may have felt that evening as he read all 25
of those letters _ just as he was getting ready
to embark on his creation TII _im sure it caused
him much concern that evening.

They were doing what they felt was right
but Michael didnt like negativity or being told he CANT
and especially to hear that from his fans must have
been overwhelming to him that evening.

I wish Murray would have never show up that night
Im sure Michael was very vunerable and had a more difficult
time sleeping ..

I do not belive in any conspiracy
My opinion is Murray acted alone with gross neglegence
he didnt care for his patient properly and was more interested
in the $$$$$ he would recieve. I dont think he had intent or
malice or for-thought of killing Michael

2nd degree will be very hard to get convition form a Jury
so said Tom Mez _ who also stated he though Murray should
have a Fair trial but CONVICT HIM ..
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totally agree!
That is shocking about Kenny Ortega being told someone hopes he chokes to death. disgusting. Do these people think hat Michael would make of all this hate towards his friend Kenny.
 
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I agree we need to be careful with all of this. Ultimately the only person who knows the truth is no longer with us. I also agree that he would not condone agressive behaviour towards others - it just wasn't his way. I can see various points of view and want to stay impartial - there is so much we don't know.

All we can do is hope and pray that the truth will unfold.

To be honest I am so devastated at the loss that I find it hard to cope with the arguments and fallings out that occur regarding this. It's all I can do to function at times! :sad:
 
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How do you know they were TINI? Many people believe Michael's 'friends' didn't do enough during those last few weeks but it doesn't mean they are members of TINI.
 
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I respect most of the fan followers, because they really truly wanted to help Michael. And I know they want to be heard, but if they want people to listen to what they have to say they need to at least get the dates right.
 
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Nova said:
They need to start facing reality. And the reality is that Michael was killed. He did not die because of his health.
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Is that not what the woman just said?
 
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What was wrong with this reporter, why didn't she ask what AEGs motive was and why would Murray help them when it meant he wouldn't get paid.
 
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